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bjsniderjbicha, will do00:01
bjsniderRAOF, thanks. will do00:02
bjsnideroh, you already did it00:02
RAOFbjsnider: Well, you won't, because I've already done it :). But next time that's what you're after :)00:02
bjsniderain't that a kick in the pants00:02
bjsniderjbicha, are you going to touch the changelog yourself, or should i worry about which pocket to use? should it be quantal or -proposed?00:36
jbichabjsnider: yes, please add an entry to debian/changelog, you can leave the release at UNRELEASED if you like00:38
bjsnidercoolio00:38
jbichabut at this point uploads will be rejected if they aren't for -proposed00:38
pittiGood morning03:34
jasoncwarner_Raring Ringtail indeed, bryce  ;)03:44
kenvandine_hey jasoncwarner_03:48
jasoncwarner_hey kenvandine_03:48
jasoncwarner_how are things?03:48
kenvandine_good03:49
kenvandine_looking forward to copenhagen :)03:49
jasoncwarner_kenvandine_: indeed! I leave here soon (you know...other side of hte world and all). I'm sure you get to leave on Sunday or something ;)03:49
kenvandine_yeah :)03:50
kenvandine_saturday03:50
kenvandine_arrive sunday morning :)03:50
jasoncwarner_so, you leave after me and you get in before me :/03:50
kenvandine_hehe03:50
kenvandine_i have just one stop this time too... i love that03:51
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didrocksgood morning05:03
RAOFAloha didrocks!05:09
didrockshey RAOF, seems we have name!05:09
RAOFIndeed. Hello, possums!05:09
didrocks:)05:10
didrockshow are you?05:10
RAOFPretty good.05:11
pittihey didrocks05:41
didrocksmorning pitti05:42
pittididrocks: feeling quantal today?05:42
didrockspitti: more raging TBH! :)05:42
pittididrocks: (not raring?)05:43
pittitoo late for raging towards quantal, I guess05:43
didrockspitti: ok, I already mispelled it once! :p05:43
didrockspitti: yeah, had some fun yesterday with compiz… was my latest "raging towards quantal" I guess05:44
* pitti hugs didrocks, amen05:51
* didrocks hugs pitti back05:51
* pitti is still impressed by "juju deploy --repository ~/ubuntu/charms local:jhbuild jhbuild"05:52
pitti(jibel's work)05:53
didrocksI want to have an opportunity to use juju, didn't get the time though :/05:53
pittiI just used it the first time yesterday05:53
didrockspitti: you don't have too much the impression it's running scripts on your machine and that it can be fragile?05:54
didrocks(well, I trust jibel's scripting ;))05:54
pittididrocks: well, I'm using the CanoniStack cloud, not local LXC containers05:55
pittiso it's not running that much on my workstation05:55
didrocksah, ok, so you don't see the full remote story, just see the end result! :)05:55
didrocksI really need to take some time playing with that05:55
pittibut either way, all the charms run in containers/VMs, so they can hack up those pretty much any way they like05:55
pittididrocks: well, you can see the log of what the charm does, all the apt-get installs, creating files, etc.05:56
pittiI wouldn't run _that_ part on my normal user account, of course05:56
pitticharms assume they have complete control over the machine05:56
didrockspitti: ahah, something similar like the launchpad script? "If you had a postgresql database, you can wave it goodbye right now" :)05:57
pittiheh05:57
pittididrocks: yeah, except that juju doesn't run them on your host05:57
pittiof course you could try hard and manually run the individual files/scripts in the charm, but ordinarily you wouldn't even have the actual charm on your machine05:57
didrocksyeah, sounds saner. I should try to play with that between my server and my laptop05:58
didrocksheh, indeed05:58
pittididrocks: you can just use the CanoniStack for playing around; getting credentials is a matter of seconds, and there's no other registration etc. to do05:59
didrockspitti: yeah, I think I'll try between now and Monday :)05:59
didrocksjust need to find something to deploy to play with ;)06:00
pittididrocks: how about jhbuild with https://code.launchpad.net/unity-jhbuild :)06:04
didrockspitti: will have a try at that, yeah :)06:04
smspillazdesrt: hey I just saw your note about relocatable schemas on gddl - should we just change all of the ones in compiz to be relocatable=yes now ?07:54
smspillazor will things break ?07:54
rickspencer3hey all08:14
rickspencer3whats the word on the street for 12.10 today?08:14
brycehi rickspencer308:15
rickspencer3heya bryce08:16
seb128rickspencer3, hey, we are getting close from release ;-)08:16
rickspencer3seb128, yeah ... any last issues, or does 12.10 seem baked and ready to go?08:16
seb128rickspencer3, it seems like the foundation guys finally managed to fix the secure boot issues that have been raising through the week08:16
seb128rickspencer3, looks good to me, fingers crossed!08:17
rickspencer3seb128, is there another respin planned for today? or was last nights the last one?08:17
* rickspencer3 looks in #ubuntu-release ;)08:17
seb128rickspencer3, not respin planned that I know about08:18
rickspencer3\o/08:18
* rickspencer3 goes back to champaign and cigars08:18
didrockshey rickspencer308:19
rickspencer3hey didrocks08:19
* rickspencer3 burp08:19
seb128lol08:19
didrockstoo much champaign already? :)08:20
rickspencer3yeah08:20
rickspencer3:)08:20
rickspencer3didrocks, seb128 are you guys raring for 13.04?08:20
seb128rickspencer3, really raring ryes ;-)08:21
pitti*chuckle*08:21
seb128rickspencer3, I learnt a few words again today :p08:22
didrocksrickspencer3: completely! and I want hope to see some opossums at UDS :)08:22
pittirickspencer3: juju deploy beer!08:22
didrockss/want//08:22
seb128pitti, hey ;-)08:22
seb128pitti, is that the new sudo make me a sandwish? :p08:22
larsumorning everyone08:22
pittiseb128: yeah, except that you can instantiate 10 beers at once08:22
pittihey larsu08:22
seb128larsu, howdy08:23
didrocksseb128: seems you even don't need sudo, looks better :)08:23
didrockshey larsu08:23
pittiseb128: I'm actually hacking on the jhbuild charm now, this is fun :)08:23
seb128pitti, waouh, that sounds like dangerous :p08:23
* seb128 dispatches the beers around the channel08:23
pittiseb128: ze powah *burp* of ze c-c-c-loud08:23
seb128;-)08:23
larsubeers at this time?08:24
seb128larsu, are you german or what? :p08:25
larsuseb128, ha, I guess you're right. And anyway, it's after 6 somewhere in the world...08:25
seb128larsu, and we don't release a quantal every day ;-)08:25
brycerickspencer3, 13.04 is going to be awesome.  If only we could get unity working properly on nexus 7.  my kingdom for a nux developer!  ;-)08:27
rickspencer3bryce, we'll get there!08:27
brycerickspencer3, yep08:28
pittibryce: or for porting to gtk and clutter? :-)08:28
rickspencer3<pitti> rickspencer3: juju deploy beer!08:28
rickspencer3LOL08:28
* didrocks hopes the nux developers can first fix a FTBFS on armhf :)08:28
rickspencer3perfect08:28
didrocks(that we have for a week)08:28
rickspencer3hey, surely someone can hop into the nux code and take a look?08:28
rickspencer3:)08:28
didrocksrickspencer3: well, trying to get the integration team and upstream having a look for a week08:28
rickspencer3didrocks, I mean one you guys can take a look!08:29
didrocksrickspencer3: seems duflu just had a fix, crossing fingers08:29
rickspencer3sweet08:29
rickspencer3\o/08:29
rickspencer3that's great news08:29
brycerickspencer3, trust me, plenty of hopping happening.  just none of us are experienced with nux08:29
brycebut we'll get it figured out, I'm sure.08:29
rickspencer3"plenty of hopping" ;)08:29
didrocksrickspencer3: had other work to do (ask seb, I wasn't waiting and crossing fingers even yesterday with some emergency compiz fixes I had to do)08:29
rickspencer3didrocks, well, I was thinking about people in addition to you :)08:30
rickspencer3for example, so far as I can tell, robert_ancel can do anything08:30
rickspencer3I remember he used to fix basicaly *any* problem while I slept in Seattle08:30
rickspencer3:)08:30
seb128;-)08:30
rickspencer3he's wake up, I'd tell him about a problem, and it would be Fix Committed when I woke up08:31
seb128the rocking robert_ancell08:31
rickspencer3indeed!08:31
rickspencer3dang, I should call him about my personal life08:31
rickspencer3let him fix that while I sleep08:31
seb128lol08:31
seb128nah, it's all ours in desktop08:31
brycein fact robert has got a nexus 7 now and is on the case.  RAOF too.  So I can't imagine the bug remaining unstomped for long.08:31
seb128you don't get to play that card anymore ;-)08:32
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seb128it's->he's08:32
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:34
didrockshey chrisccoulson08:34
* bryce waves to chrisccoulson 08:34
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks08:35
* chrisccoulson waves to bryce08:35
jibeldidrocks, I'm retesting compiz from -proposed, previous upgrade didn't pick the right version08:35
didrocksjibel: we already got 3 confirm in addition to you 2 from the ppa, please do if you have time, but it's not mandatory anymore I guess08:36
rickspencer3personally, I'm pretty happy with how 13.04 turned out08:36
rickspencer3we made some great progress with features08:36
rickspencer3and it is solid as a rock on my computers08:36
didrocksrickspencer3: you meant, 12.10? I guess08:37
didrocksdo you have a secret preview of the 13.04 iso? ;)08:37
rickspencer3oops08:37
rickspencer3lol08:37
rickspencer3I mean 12.1008:37
didrocksrickspencer3: too late, I want the 13.04 iso! ;-)08:37
rickspencer3I am happy with how 12.10 turned out, and I'm pumped about 13.0408:37
chrisccoulsondidrocks, you're not ambitious enough. you should be pushing for 14.04 already ;)08:39
didrockschrisccoulson: speaking of being ambitious, I finally got the gdb stacktrace when thunderbird hangs on close for me08:40
didrockschrisccoulson: want to have a look? :)08:40
brycerickspencer3, me and my graphs.  Bu tI think it looks a lot better than past releases: http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/ubuntu-x-swat/Reports/totals-quantal-workqueue.svg08:40
chrisccoulsondidrocks, oh, awesome. yes please :)08:41
didrockschrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1286546/08:41
didrockschrisccoulson: so the ui has been closed for long (like hours)08:41
didrockschrisccoulson: and when I try to click on the launcher icon "thunderbird is already running…"08:41
chrisccoulsondidrocks, did you get the other threads by any chance?08:41
didrockschrisccoulson: urgh, I thought I did thread apply all08:42
chrisccoulsonit looks like it's waiting on another thread to finish something08:42
didrockschrisccoulson: ok, for next time then :)08:42
didrocksI can try to close it and see if I get it today08:42
chrisccoulsonheh, thanks08:42
rickspencer3for 13.04, let's default to gmail for the mail client!08:42
rickspencer3we have webapps now, afterall08:42
didrocksrickspencer3: well, I think more something like:08:43
rickspencer3hey bryce looking good!08:43
didrocks- click on the indicator message08:43
didrocksask "please enter your email address"08:43
didrocksif you enter anything @gmail.com or other things that have good web support -> use a webapps08:43
didrocksotherwise, install thunderbird on demand08:44
rickspencer3nice08:44
rickspencer3@yahoo.com -> web apps08:44
didrocksright :)08:44
rickspencer3parfait08:44
didrocks"smart desktop" :)08:44
chrisccoulsondidrocks, oh, i might not need to see the other threads08:58
chrisccoulsonin frame 5, "mayWait=true" is definitely wrong08:58
didrockschrisccoulson: oh?08:58
didrockschrisccoulson: I tried to close/open it again a lot… but didn't really get it stalled (I get it quite regularly, like every 2/3 days after a day of thunderbird running)08:59
chrisccoulsondidrocks, oh, i can see a race in shutdown actually. at least, i think i can.09:03
chrisccoulsonwell, it looks too obvious to me as well, so i must be wrong ;)09:04
didrockschrisccoulson: waow, if you want to get te fix tested, I can try in a ppa for several days :)09:04
seb128chrisccoulson, didn't firefox used to display a launcher progress bar while downloading? seems to not work for me on quantal...10:07
chrisccoulsonseb128, you need my unityfox addon installed10:10
seb128chrisccoulson, hum, we don't do that by default?10:11
chrisccoulsonseb128, no, i don't want any more addons in the default install. we have enough already ;)10:11
seb128chrisccoulson, I probably had it before having webapps screwing my addons a few weeks back10:11
chrisccoulsonyeah, possibly10:12
seb128need to reinstall it10:12
seb128chrisccoulson, well, we should have our default browser integrated with our default desktop ;-)10:12
tseliotseb128: what's up with pidgin and bug #1040259?10:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 1040259 in skype-wrapper "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104025910:12
seb128tseliot, somebody needs to port pidgin-libnotify to libmessaging-menu10:12
chrisccoulsonseb128, oh, if you go to the addon manager and type "unity" in to the searchbox, it's the first result that appears here :)10:13
tseliotseb128: just that?10:13
larsuseb128, btw: I have a 70% port of liferea lying around somewhere. I'll try to finish it before UDS10:14
seb128tseliot, "just" ... it's always "just" code? ;-)10:15
seb128larsu, great10:15
tseliotseb128: I was wondering if other components were involved :)10:15
seb128no10:15
tseliotok10:15
seb128do you want to have a go at the update? ;-)10:15
tseliotseb128: probably, I need to check the code first10:16
seb128I meant to do it but release went crazy with other things10:16
seb128so if you want to do that would be great10:16
tseliotok, I'll think about it10:20
tseliotthanks10:20
seb128thank you for thinking about it ;-)10:21
larsuseb128, do you want to backport http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-messages/trunk.13.04/revision/32310:22
larsuit fixes the geary crash10:22
didrocksrobru: hey, already up? isn't that early for you?10:25
robrudidrocks: no... haven't slept yet I'm afraid ;-)10:26
didrocksrobru: ok, the other way around, it's even worse ;-)10:26
robrudidrocks: yeah... but I'm doing some work though, so it's not wasted time ;-)10:26
didrocksheh ;)10:26
seb128larsu, is that happening often? we can backport sure, but we can also wait if there are a bit more to backport or if other issues are raised after release10:27
larsuseb128, I heard geary removed messaging menu integration because of it (I'm not entirely sure though)10:28
larsuseb128, the crash should happen for all applications that call register(); unregister(); register();10:28
larsu(I don't know why geary would do that by the way)10:29
seb128larsu, where did you hear that? (geary has messaging menu integration broken in quantal because they have a stupid build system and they turned it off  in 0.2.1 is intltool is not installed and we didn't have it in build-depends)10:29
seb128larsu, I've a uploaded a fixed geary yesterday, it's waiting to be approved in the queue10:30
larsuseb128, hm, alright, let's wait a little then. At least for a fix to bug 106516910:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 1065169 in indicator-messages "segfault when used in plugin load, unload, load cycle" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106516910:30
seb128larsu, ok10:30
larsuoh, there's a branch on there now... just without a merge request10:31
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tsdgeosdo you guys know what defines GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID ?11:42
seb128tsdgeos, gnome-session11:45
tsdgeosseb128: ok11:45
tsdgeosit's weird, may it be that yesterday wasn't defined?11:45
tsdgeosi do remember trying something yesterday that depends on it being there and failed and today doesn't fail anymore11:45
seb128tsdgeos, yesterday wasn't defined?11:45
seb128tsdgeos, that variable is deprecated for years but the code didn't change for years either11:46
seb128GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated11:46
tsdgeosyep11:46
seb128gnome-session/main.c:        gsm_util_setenv ("GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID", "this-is-deprecated");11:46
tsdgeosmust have been a PEBKAC then11:46
seb128or you started something from an environment with is not gnome-session's one11:46
seb128like DISPLAY=... command from a vt11:47
seb128?11:47
tsdgeoshmmmm11:47
tsdgeosmaybe i was restarting unity from the vt11:47
tsdgeosthat might have happened11:47
tsdgeosi'll have a nother question about gconf/gsettings/dconf whatnot11:50
tsdgeosbut that'll be after lunch11:50
* tsdgeos waves11:50
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tsdgeoswe don't use gconf anymore, right?14:54
Laneyit is still used, but we're working towards getting rid of it14:55
tsdgeosok14:56
tsdgeosbecause i see Qt tries to get the icon theme from /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme in gconf14:56
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tsdgeosand that is not the correct info anymore, right?14:57
mitya57tsdgeos: that key contains right icon theme in Ubuntu, but one can't rely on it15:12
mitya57tsdgeos: see https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-2571815:13
tsdgeosmitya57: does it contain the right icon theme?15:13
tsdgeosnot when i change it15:13
mitya57tsdgeos: neither gnome-control-center nor gnome-tweak tool change the gconf entry15:15
mitya57but by default it contains ubuntu-mono-dark15:15
tsdgeosmitya57: right, that's the problem15:15
tsdgeosonce i change the setting using gnome-control-center15:15
tsdgeosit changes a different key (i can see it change in dconf-editor)15:15
tsdgeosbut not that one15:16
tsdgeosthus we should patch it to watch that key (or patch g-c-c to change the other one)15:16
tsdgeosbecause to be honest i don't see the Qt guys fixing that by themselves15:16
mitya57tsdgeos: the correct fix will be making Qt reading the icon theme from XSettings15:16
mitya57http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html15:17
mitya57it'll make it work on most DEs if not all15:17
mitya57tsdgeos: from that bug report ^^:15:18
mitya57Jerome Leclanche: "One of our Razor-Qt developers is working on this afaik."15:18
tsdgeosbeen on that 4 months15:19
tsdgeosfor what is probably a 50 lines patch :D15:19
tsdgeosanyway15:19
tsdgeosif we are not interested in fixing stuff15:19
tsdgeosfair enough15:19
mitya57I'll now add a comment asking what is the progress15:20
mitya57... done15:22
mitya57and that's not a "50 lines patch", as Qt doesn't yet have any XSettings implementation15:23
tsdgeoswell, you have to read an X property and decode it15:24
tsdgeosfrom a quick look to that spec15:24
tsdgeoscan't be that hard15:24
mitya57another problem is that gtk reads "gtk-icon-theme-name" property (and all DEs (even KDE) set it),15:26
mitya57and I'm not sure if Qt developers will appreciate it reading something that contains gtk in its name...15:26
* Laney stabs webkit15:26
Laneymicahg: you know how you wanted to maintain it? :) :) :)15:27
tsdgeosto be honest the spec is a big short on stuff15:27
tsdgeosit doesn't even mention names15:27
mitya57oh, I got a reply from Jerome, he says they "ran out of time to work on it".15:27
tsdgeosprobably because noone really adopted it besides gnome15:27
tsdgeosmaking it "one of those specs"15:28
mitya57tsdgeos: that's sad, but using it still seems the most universal way for me15:28
tsdgeosmaybe15:30
bjsniderjbicha, you saw that debdiff i made right?15:47
jbichabjsnider: yes, but I haven't had time to get to it because of the release today15:52
bjsniderok, just making sure you saw it. i also built it and tested it here, and it works.15:52
chrisccoulsonhah, https://twitter.com/JBarol/status/258271137702756352/photo/116:31
didrockschrisccoulson: at least, they don't cheat :)16:32
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chrisccoulsondidrocks, actually, when you get that tb hang again, can you get a trace with all threads? the race that i thought existed actually might not exist, and this might just be a case of a thread that never returns to its main loop (ie, it's hung)17:27
didrockschrisccoulson: sure, will do :)17:27
chrisccoulsonthanks :)17:27
chrisccoulsondidrocks, i'll try and figure out if there's a way to identify the actual thread too17:28
didrockschrisccoulson: ok, I'll thread apply all first, as I generally get that in the morning way before you wake up :)17:29
chrisccoulsondidrocks, ok, if you could switch to the frame where nsThread::Shutdown is, and do "call (char*)PR_GetThreadName(mThread)", then that will tell you the name of the hanging thread if it has one17:36
chrisccoulsonalthough, not all threads have a name17:36
chrisccoulsonin fact, it looks like most thunderbird threads don't have names. but most threads that are common to firefox and thunderbird do have them17:37
didrockschrisccoulson: sure, will do17:40
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bcurtiswxCongrats everyone on 12.10 :)17:52
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chrisccoulsoni like this bit inbetween release and UDS. i actually get a chance to finish things :)20:46
kenvandineyeah :)20:50
kenvandinechrisccoulson, although it's short this cycle20:50
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, it's probably shorter for you ;)20:51
chrisccoulsoni've got a whole week to work on stuff next week :)20:51
kenvandineyeah... i leave saturday20:52
kenvandinei get 2 days :)20:52
chrisccoulsonheh20:53
chrisccoulsoni'm wondering whether getting overlay scrollbars working before UDS might be a bit ambitious, with only 1 week20:53
chrisccoulsoni didn't realize it was quite that short20:53
kenvandinechrisccoulson, you can do it!20:58
chrisccoulsonbrb, need to see what tooltips look like without compositing21:00
chrisccoulsonok, the answer is "bad". sigh :(21:05
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Dino901Does anyone here have experience with using a touchscreen display with Ubuntu?21:57
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