| ttilley | is there a version convention for extending native ubuntu packages elsewhere? like... native ubuntu packages have revision 0 plus ubuntu plus the ubuntu patch version. so if someone were to make a custom version of that package elsewhere, what would be a sane versioning system? 1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2 -> 1.2.3-1foo1.2 ? | 01:37 |
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| ttilley | i suppose that would be necessary to make the foo version take precedence | 01:39 |
| ScottK | I wouldn't do it that way. | 01:40 |
| ScottK | I'd do 1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2+foo1. | 01:40 |
| ttilley | huh | 01:56 |
| ttilley | (sorry for the delay) | 01:56 |
| ttilley | ScottK: that's a valid version number? and ends up being greater? | 01:57 |
| ttilley | that's kinda neat | 01:57 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 01:57 |
| ttilley | ScottK: what if you want the foo version to always win out? like if custom vendor functionality breaks without the extended package. | 01:57 |
| ttilley | is there some pinning voodoo one might perform? | 01:58 |
| ScottK | Then you might add an epoch at the start. 1:1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2+foo1, although you need to be very careful with epochs as you can't go back. | 01:58 |
| ScottK | You could solve the problem with pinning. | 01:58 |
| * ttilley had never heard of "epochs" | 01:59 | |
| ttilley | ScottK: thanks for the info btw =] | 02:00 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 02:00 |
| micahg | ttilley: it's usually best to pin, but you also want to keep an eye on the package so that if there's an update, you rebase your patch on top of it | 02:10 |
| micahg | unneeded epochs are very frowned upon for public archives as they can interfere with upgrades for random people (privately, you can do what you want) | 02:11 |
| lestus | why noone talking? | 03:29 |
| lestus | no issues to discuss? | 03:29 |
| ScottK | Not much. For developers the time between the final freeze and release is usually (hopefully) quiet. | 03:31 |
| lestus | Fair enough. :) | 03:34 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:35 |
| iulian | Morning dholbach. | 07:15 |
| dholbach | hi iulian | 07:20 |
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| tumbleweed | bdrung: can I upload distro-info-data to Debian as-is? The entry for jessie looks a little odd... | 08:04 |
| geser | tumbleweed: does it include raring? | 08:23 |
| tumbleweed | geser: that's why I'm asking, yes :) | 08:25 |
| geser | btw: I'm looking for a sponsor for bug #1067993 :) | 08:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1067993 in vim (Ubuntu) "Add 'raring' to the lost of recognized Ubuntu release names" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067993 | 08:26 |
| * tumbleweed wishes sabdfl didn't leave the names so late | 08:27 | |
| cjwatson | geser: after release ... | 08:27 |
| cjwatson | it's too late for quantal now | 08:27 |
| cjwatson | (and for an SRU, I'd want it in raring first) | 08:27 |
| cjwatson | tumbleweed: you and me both | 08:27 |
| tumbleweed | cjwatson: oh, right, I keep forgetting that we are cracking down on copying-up SRUs | 08:29 |
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| geser | cjwatson: ok | 09:03 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: what do you have against the jessie entry? | 09:14 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: the date probably isn't accurate, but I suppose it's better than nothing | 09:15 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: maybe its better to defer that date one year (so we raise the probability that wheezy is release before) | 09:16 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: I don't know if there is any sane way of handling it | 09:18 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: the sane way would be to set the created day to infinity :) | 09:19 |
| bdrung | or to change the data format | 09:19 |
| tumbleweed | fortunately, the impact isn't as high as ubuntu releases | 09:19 |
| tumbleweed | at any rate, we should upload something to sid and ask for an unblock | 09:20 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: upload done | 09:28 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: thanks | 09:29 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: should we update the data in natty? | 09:37 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: naah. gonig out of support this month | 09:37 |
| dholbach | any opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1067338? | 10:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1067338 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide "Introduce -common package for all HTML-based documentation" [High,New] | 10:15 |
| tumbleweed | are per-language binary packages actually worth it there? | 10:19 |
| dholbach | tumbleweed, the .pdf for example is 500k already | 10:22 |
| dholbach | so for every language you'll add another 500k | 10:22 |
| dholbach | also 300k for HTML (160k for sources if you want it all searchable) | 10:23 |
| dholbach | so roughly 500k per language per output flavour | 10:24 |
| tumbleweed | dholbach: per-language packages for pdf makes sense, but for the HTML (which is where -common is applicable) I can't imagine it being much benefit | 10:24 |
| tumbleweed | so yes, I guess doing it for the PDFs is understandable | 10:24 |
| dholbach | tumbleweed, why not for html? | 10:25 |
| dholbach | the -common thing would be just for static stuff like images, js+css | 10:25 |
| tumbleweed | oh, does it have translated images? | 10:25 |
| dholbach | not yet | 10:25 |
| MCR1 | dholbach: Hi :) I heard that hugging you 3 times makes magic happen ? | 10:34 |
| dholbach | haha | 10:34 |
| * MCR1 tries to hug dholbach virtually 3 times... | 10:34 | |
| tumbleweed | AFAIK it was the other way around. Making magic happen tends to result in hugs | 10:34 |
| MCR1 | No seriously: I need your help with bug 968112 | 10:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 968112 in emerald (Ubuntu) "Emerald (the original Compiz Window Decorator) not available in Precise and Quantal, while it was working on all Ubuntu versions before [needs-packaging]" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968112 | 10:34 |
| dholbach | MCR1, who told you that? is there a howto somewhere on the net about this? :) | 10:34 |
| MCR1 | You can read that everywhere and even see it on youtube ;) | 10:35 |
| dholbach | MCR1, the best option you have is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages to get it into the "raring" release | 10:35 |
| MCR1 | You have to take care of your privacy it seems ;) | 10:35 |
| dholbach | MCR1, and then request a backport to P and Q (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports) | 10:36 |
| MCR1 | dholbach: I am willing to do work, but this package is just to good to be lost... | 10:36 |
| * MCR1 is saving the links | 10:36 | |
| dholbach | I don't have an opinion on emerald, but that's at least the processes you need to follow :) | 10:36 |
| MCR1 | dholbach: Thx - you should try it - it has several features not available for any other window decorator out there ;) | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | it was removed because it didn't build any more and nobody cared enough to fix it - bug 831111 | 10:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 831111 in emerald (Fedora) "emerald version 0.8.8-0ubuntu1 failed to build in oneiric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831111 | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | FWIW | 10:37 |
| MCR1 | cjwatson: This was fixed a long time ago ;) | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | (don't bother telling me I should use it, I have pretty spartan tastes ;-) ) | 10:38 |
| dholbach | I'm probably not the best person to evaluate that - I was even happy with metacity or sawfish before :) | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | sure, just saying | 10:38 |
| MCR1 | cjwatson: And the bug report I posted above contains detailed instructions on how to compile it on Precise and Quantal | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | I know | 10:39 |
| dholbach | MCR1, a working source package will be required for review - maybe you can test it in a ppa before | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | I'm just giving the reason it was removed - we're getting increasingly strict on packages that have nobody botheering to take care of them | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | *bothering | 10:39 |
| MCR1 | dholbach: Never made a PPA, but there is already one available containing it | 10:40 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:40 |
| MCR1 | https://launchpad.net/~brainpower/+archive/testing/+build/3505578 | 10:40 |
| MCR1 | https://launchpad.net/~brainpower/+archive/testing/+build/3505578/+files/emerald_0.9.5-0~precise2_amd64.deb | 10:40 |
| Laney | if someone wants to take care of it then it's welcome to come back | 10:40 |
| MCR1 | Laney: :) | 10:44 |
| MCR1 | Thx 2 all 4 the help... | 10:44 |
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| yolanda | hi, i have to backport a package, what are the correct steps? just file the bug with requestbackport? | 13:05 |
| geser | yes | 13:07 |
| yolanda | geser, do i need to subscribe ubuntu backporters or something, or just leave it open? | 13:22 |
| geser | have you a bug number to check? | 13:23 |
| yolanda | geser, 1067725 | 13:25 |
| yolanda | i built the package and tested in precise myself | 13:26 |
| tumbleweed | yolanda: now you just wait :) | 13:27 |
| tumbleweed | (well, and prod some backporters if they don't seem to be doing anything) | 13:27 |
| geser | yolanda: no assignment or bug subscription is needed as the bug is filed against the "Precise backports" project | 13:27 |
| yolanda | tumbleweed, geser, ok, i'll wait :) | 13:27 |
| yolanda | thx | 13:27 |
| geser | the backports team works from the bug list for those backports projects | 13:27 |
| Laney | oh to expand the backports team | 13:28 |
| mitya57 | hi dholbach (yet again) | 14:30 |
| dholbach | hey mitya57 | 14:30 |
| mitya57 | http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/_static/searchtools.js returns 403 FORBIDDEN | 14:30 |
| mitya57 | this makes search not working on the server | 14:30 |
| dholbach | oh wow | 14:30 |
| mitya57 | are you able to fix it? | 14:30 |
| dholbach | no, but I can ask someone | 14:30 |
| mitya57 | thank you | 14:31 |
| mitya57 | and I've almost finished my branch for bug 1067338, now testing it | 14:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1067338 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide "Introduce -common package for all HTML-based documentation" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067338 | 14:32 |
| micahg | mitya57: I don't understand the point of this bug | 14:43 |
| mitya57 | micahg: the point that we can have stylesheets/images/sources in a separate package and not in every html package we build | 14:44 |
| micahg | oh, I think I see now | 14:44 |
| micahg | mitya57: wait, what do you mean by every html pacakge? | 14:45 |
| mitya57 | we are going to have localized packages for every language | 14:45 |
| mitya57 | that reaches some threshold | 14:45 |
| mitya57 | for now it's only spanish | 14:45 |
| micahg | why not just have an l10n package than rather that one package per language | 14:46 |
| mitya57 | and there are also html and singlehtml variants within each package | 14:46 |
| * micahg would think you'd want it translatable in launchpad as well, right? | 14:46 | |
| mitya57 | micahg: I think the main reason is size | 14:47 |
| mitya57 | but I'm not the one who came up with this idea | 14:47 |
| micahg | well, if you're doing .po files vs separate package per language, it should compress quite well | 14:47 |
| micahg | .po files mean the HTML doesn't need repeating | 14:48 |
| micahg | but idk if that works for documentation | 14:48 |
| mitya57 | I don't know a way to make a web page dynamically load a translation of itself from gettext... | 14:49 |
| dholbach | micahg, no .po files | 14:49 |
| mitya57 | and that definitely won't work for PDFs | 14:49 |
| dholbach | micahg, that's not how sphinx does it - it generates static html, pdfs | 14:50 |
| dholbach | and per language per flavour (html, pdf, epub, etc.) we have 500k | 14:50 |
| Laney | http://sphinx.pocoo.org/latest/intl.html | 14:51 |
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| tumbleweed | oh, dear. We missed another MOTU meeting | 16:18 |
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| jtaylor | raring is already open? oO | 19:16 |
| jtaylor | thats fast | 19:16 |
| JontheEchidna | time to s/quantal/raring :P | 19:17 |
| ScottK | No. | 19:17 |
| jtaylor | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openscenegraph got an upload 15 min ago | 19:17 |
| ScottK | Not open yet. | 19:17 |
| jtaylor | but its noted as frozen :) | 19:17 |
| ScottK | That's the archive copy happening. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | Note it's the same version as in quantal. | 19:18 |
| jtaylor | oh right | 19:18 |
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| cjwatson | jtaylor: it'll be a while before it's open; we're going to try to get britney working first | 22:59 |
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