[01:37] is there a version convention for extending native ubuntu packages elsewhere? like... native ubuntu packages have revision 0 plus ubuntu plus the ubuntu patch version. so if someone were to make a custom version of that package elsewhere, what would be a sane versioning system? 1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2 -> 1.2.3-1foo1.2 ? [01:39] i suppose that would be necessary to make the foo version take precedence [01:40] I wouldn't do it that way. [01:40] I'd do 1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2+foo1. [01:56] huh [01:56] (sorry for the delay) [01:57] ScottK: that's a valid version number? and ends up being greater? [01:57] that's kinda neat [01:57] Yes. [01:57] ScottK: what if you want the foo version to always win out? like if custom vendor functionality breaks without the extended package. [01:58] is there some pinning voodoo one might perform? [01:58] Then you might add an epoch at the start. 1:1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2+foo1, although you need to be very careful with epochs as you can't go back. [01:58] You could solve the problem with pinning. [01:59] * ttilley had never heard of "epochs" [02:00] ScottK: thanks for the info btw =] [02:00] You're welcome. [02:10] ttilley: it's usually best to pin, but you also want to keep an eye on the package so that if there's an update, you rebase your patch on top of it [02:11] unneeded epochs are very frowned upon for public archives as they can interfere with upgrades for random people (privately, you can do what you want) [03:29] why noone talking? [03:29] no issues to discuss? [03:31] Not much. For developers the time between the final freeze and release is usually (hopefully) quiet. [03:34] Fair enough. :) === vibhav is now known as ringtail [06:35] good morning [07:15] Morning dholbach. [07:20] hi iulian === yofel_ is now known as yofel === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:04] bdrung: can I upload distro-info-data to Debian as-is? The entry for jessie looks a little odd... [08:23] tumbleweed: does it include raring? [08:25] geser: that's why I'm asking, yes :) [08:26] btw: I'm looking for a sponsor for bug #1067993 :) [08:26] Launchpad bug 1067993 in vim (Ubuntu) "Add 'raring' to the lost of recognized Ubuntu release names" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067993 [08:27] * tumbleweed wishes sabdfl didn't leave the names so late [08:27] geser: after release ... [08:27] it's too late for quantal now [08:27] (and for an SRU, I'd want it in raring first) [08:27] tumbleweed: you and me both [08:29] cjwatson: oh, right, I keep forgetting that we are cracking down on copying-up SRUs === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [09:03] cjwatson: ok [09:14] tumbleweed: what do you have against the jessie entry? [09:15] bdrung: the date probably isn't accurate, but I suppose it's better than nothing [09:16] tumbleweed: maybe its better to defer that date one year (so we raise the probability that wheezy is release before) [09:18] bdrung: I don't know if there is any sane way of handling it [09:19] tumbleweed: the sane way would be to set the created day to infinity :) [09:19] or to change the data format [09:19] fortunately, the impact isn't as high as ubuntu releases [09:20] at any rate, we should upload something to sid and ask for an unblock [09:28] tumbleweed: upload done [09:29] bdrung: thanks [09:37] tumbleweed: should we update the data in natty? [09:37] bdrung: naah. gonig out of support this month [10:15] any opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1067338? [10:15] Launchpad bug 1067338 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide "Introduce -common package for all HTML-based documentation" [High,New] [10:19] are per-language binary packages actually worth it there? [10:22] tumbleweed, the .pdf for example is 500k already [10:22] so for every language you'll add another 500k [10:23] also 300k for HTML (160k for sources if you want it all searchable) [10:24] so roughly 500k per language per output flavour [10:24] dholbach: per-language packages for pdf makes sense, but for the HTML (which is where -common is applicable) I can't imagine it being much benefit [10:24] so yes, I guess doing it for the PDFs is understandable [10:25] tumbleweed, why not for html? [10:25] the -common thing would be just for static stuff like images, js+css [10:25] oh, does it have translated images? [10:25] not yet [10:34] dholbach: Hi :) I heard that hugging you 3 times makes magic happen ? [10:34] haha [10:34] * MCR1 tries to hug dholbach virtually 3 times... [10:34] AFAIK it was the other way around. Making magic happen tends to result in hugs [10:34] No seriously: I need your help with bug 968112 [10:34] Launchpad bug 968112 in emerald (Ubuntu) "Emerald (the original Compiz Window Decorator) not available in Precise and Quantal, while it was working on all Ubuntu versions before [needs-packaging]" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968112 [10:34] MCR1, who told you that? is there a howto somewhere on the net about this? :) [10:35] You can read that everywhere and even see it on youtube ;) [10:35] MCR1, the best option you have is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages to get it into the "raring" release [10:35] You have to take care of your privacy it seems ;) [10:36] MCR1, and then request a backport to P and Q (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports) [10:36] dholbach: I am willing to do work, but this package is just to good to be lost... [10:36] * MCR1 is saving the links [10:36] I don't have an opinion on emerald, but that's at least the processes you need to follow :) [10:37] dholbach: Thx - you should try it - it has several features not available for any other window decorator out there ;) [10:37] it was removed because it didn't build any more and nobody cared enough to fix it - bug 831111 [10:37] Launchpad bug 831111 in emerald (Fedora) "emerald version 0.8.8-0ubuntu1 failed to build in oneiric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831111 [10:37] FWIW [10:38] cjwatson: This was fixed a long time ago ;) [10:38] (don't bother telling me I should use it, I have pretty spartan tastes ;-) ) [10:38] I'm probably not the best person to evaluate that - I was even happy with metacity or sawfish before :) [10:38] sure, just saying [10:39] cjwatson: And the bug report I posted above contains detailed instructions on how to compile it on Precise and Quantal [10:39] I know [10:39] MCR1, a working source package will be required for review - maybe you can test it in a ppa before [10:39] I'm just giving the reason it was removed - we're getting increasingly strict on packages that have nobody botheering to take care of them [10:39] *bothering [10:40] dholbach: Never made a PPA, but there is already one available containing it [10:40] ok [10:40] https://launchpad.net/~brainpower/+archive/testing/+build/3505578 [10:40] https://launchpad.net/~brainpower/+archive/testing/+build/3505578/+files/emerald_0.9.5-0~precise2_amd64.deb [10:40] if someone wants to take care of it then it's welcome to come back [10:44] Laney: :) [10:44] Thx 2 all 4 the help... === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [13:05] hi, i have to backport a package, what are the correct steps? just file the bug with requestbackport? [13:07] yes [13:22] geser, do i need to subscribe ubuntu backporters or something, or just leave it open? [13:23] have you a bug number to check? [13:25] geser, 1067725 [13:26] i built the package and tested in precise myself [13:27] yolanda: now you just wait :) [13:27] (well, and prod some backporters if they don't seem to be doing anything) [13:27] yolanda: no assignment or bug subscription is needed as the bug is filed against the "Precise backports" project [13:27] tumbleweed, geser, ok, i'll wait :) [13:27] thx [13:27] the backports team works from the bug list for those backports projects [13:28] oh to expand the backports team [14:30] hi dholbach (yet again) [14:30] hey mitya57 [14:30] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/_static/searchtools.js returns 403 FORBIDDEN [14:30] this makes search not working on the server [14:30] oh wow [14:30] are you able to fix it? [14:30] no, but I can ask someone [14:31] thank you [14:32] and I've almost finished my branch for bug 1067338, now testing it [14:32] Launchpad bug 1067338 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide "Introduce -common package for all HTML-based documentation" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067338 [14:43] mitya57: I don't understand the point of this bug [14:44] micahg: the point that we can have stylesheets/images/sources in a separate package and not in every html package we build [14:44] oh, I think I see now [14:45] mitya57: wait, what do you mean by every html pacakge? [14:45] we are going to have localized packages for every language [14:45] that reaches some threshold [14:45] for now it's only spanish [14:46] why not just have an l10n package than rather that one package per language [14:46] and there are also html and singlehtml variants within each package [14:46] * micahg would think you'd want it translatable in launchpad as well, right? [14:47] micahg: I think the main reason is size [14:47] but I'm not the one who came up with this idea [14:47] well, if you're doing .po files vs separate package per language, it should compress quite well [14:48] .po files mean the HTML doesn't need repeating [14:48] but idk if that works for documentation [14:49] I don't know a way to make a web page dynamically load a translation of itself from gettext... [14:49] micahg, no .po files [14:49] and that definitely won't work for PDFs [14:50] micahg, that's not how sphinx does it - it generates static html, pdfs [14:50] and per language per flavour (html, pdf, epub, etc.) we have 500k [14:51] http://sphinx.pocoo.org/latest/intl.html === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [16:18] oh, dear. We missed another MOTU meeting === directhe` is now known as directhex === ScottK changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: 12.10 released (SRU uploads to quantal-proposed open for business) | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://bit.ly/fz6AyQ | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs | Small tasks: http://goo.gl/bSual === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [19:16] raring is already open? oO [19:16] thats fast [19:17] time to s/quantal/raring :P [19:17] No. [19:17] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openscenegraph got an upload 15 min ago [19:17] Not open yet. [19:17] but its noted as frozen :) [19:18] That's the archive copy happening. [19:18] Note it's the same version as in quantal. [19:18] oh right === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [22:59] jtaylor: it'll be a while before it's open; we're going to try to get britney working first === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless