[01:37] <ttilley> is there a version convention for extending native ubuntu packages elsewhere? like... native ubuntu packages have revision 0 plus ubuntu plus the ubuntu patch version. so if someone were to make a custom version of that package elsewhere, what would be a sane versioning system? 1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2 -> 1.2.3-1foo1.2 ?
[01:39] <ttilley> i suppose that would be necessary to make the foo version take precedence
[01:40] <ScottK> I wouldn't do it that way.
[01:40] <ScottK> I'd do 1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2+foo1.
[01:56] <ttilley> huh
[01:56] <ttilley> (sorry for the delay)
[01:57] <ttilley> ScottK: that's a valid version number? and ends up being greater?
[01:57] <ttilley> that's kinda neat
[01:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:57] <ttilley> ScottK: what if you want the foo version to always win out? like if custom vendor functionality breaks without the extended package.
[01:58] <ttilley> is there some pinning voodoo one might perform?
[01:58] <ScottK> Then you might add an epoch at the start.  1:1.2.3-0ubuntu1.2+foo1, although you need to be very careful with epochs as you can't go back.
[01:58] <ScottK> You could solve the problem with pinning.
[01:59]  * ttilley had never heard of "epochs"
[02:00] <ttilley> ScottK: thanks for the info btw =]
[02:00] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[02:10] <micahg> ttilley: it's usually best to pin, but you also want to keep an eye on the package so that if there's an update, you rebase your patch on top of it
[02:11] <micahg> unneeded epochs are very frowned upon for public archives as they can interfere with upgrades for random people (privately, you can do what you want)
[03:29] <lestus> why noone talking?
[03:29] <lestus> no issues to discuss?
[03:31] <ScottK> Not much.  For developers the time between the final freeze and release is usually (hopefully) quiet.
[03:34] <lestus> Fair enough. :)
[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[07:20] <dholbach> hi iulian
[08:04] <tumbleweed> bdrung: can I upload distro-info-data to Debian as-is? The entry for jessie looks a little odd...
[08:23] <geser> tumbleweed: does it include raring?
[08:25] <tumbleweed> geser: that's why I'm asking, yes :)
[08:26] <geser> btw: I'm looking for a sponsor for bug #1067993 :)
[08:27]  * tumbleweed wishes sabdfl didn't leave the names so late
[08:27] <cjwatson> geser: after release ...
[08:27] <cjwatson> it's too late for quantal now
[08:27] <cjwatson> (and for an SRU, I'd want it in raring first)
[08:27] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: you and me both
[08:29] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: oh, right, I keep forgetting that we are cracking down on copying-up SRUs
[09:03] <geser> cjwatson: ok
[09:14] <bdrung> tumbleweed: what do you have against the jessie entry?
[09:15] <tumbleweed> bdrung: the date probably isn't accurate, but I suppose it's better than nothing
[09:16] <bdrung> tumbleweed: maybe its better to defer that date one year (so we raise the probability that wheezy is release before)
[09:18] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I don't know if there is any sane way of handling it
[09:19] <bdrung> tumbleweed: the sane way would be to set the created day to infinity :)
[09:19] <bdrung> or to change the data format
[09:19] <tumbleweed> fortunately, the impact isn't as high as ubuntu releases
[09:20] <tumbleweed> at any rate, we should upload something to sid and ask for an unblock
[09:28] <bdrung> tumbleweed: upload done
[09:29] <tumbleweed> bdrung: thanks
[09:37] <bdrung> tumbleweed: should we update the data in natty?
[09:37] <tumbleweed> bdrung: naah. gonig out of support this month
[10:15] <dholbach> any opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1067338?
[10:19] <tumbleweed> are per-language binary packages actually worth it there?
[10:22] <dholbach> tumbleweed, the .pdf for example is 500k already
[10:22] <dholbach> so for every language you'll add another 500k
[10:23] <dholbach> also 300k for HTML (160k for sources if you want it all searchable)
[10:24] <dholbach> so roughly 500k per language per output flavour
[10:24] <tumbleweed> dholbach: per-language packages for pdf makes sense, but for the HTML (which is where -common is applicable) I can't imagine it being much benefit
[10:24] <tumbleweed> so yes, I guess doing it for the PDFs is understandable
[10:25] <dholbach> tumbleweed, why not for html?
[10:25] <dholbach> the -common thing would be just for static stuff like images, js+css
[10:25] <tumbleweed> oh, does it have translated images?
[10:25] <dholbach> not yet
[10:34] <MCR1> dholbach: Hi :) I heard that hugging you 3 times makes magic happen ?
[10:34] <dholbach> haha
[10:34]  * MCR1 tries to hug dholbach virtually 3 times...
[10:34] <tumbleweed> AFAIK it was the other way around. Making magic happen tends to result in hugs
[10:34] <MCR1> No seriously: I need your help with bug 968112
[10:34] <dholbach> MCR1, who told you that? is there a howto somewhere on the net about this? :)
[10:35] <MCR1> You can read that everywhere and even see it on youtube ;)
[10:35] <dholbach> MCR1, the best option you have is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages to get it into the "raring" release
[10:35] <MCR1> You have to take care of your privacy it seems ;)
[10:36] <dholbach> MCR1, and then request a backport to P and Q (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports)
[10:36] <MCR1> dholbach: I am willing to do work, but this package is just to good to be lost...
[10:36]  * MCR1 is saving the links
[10:36] <dholbach> I don't have an opinion on emerald, but that's at least the processes you need to follow :)
[10:37] <MCR1> dholbach: Thx - you should try it - it has several features not available for any other window decorator out there ;)
[10:37] <cjwatson> it was removed because it didn't build any more and nobody cared enough to fix it - bug 831111
[10:37] <cjwatson> FWIW
[10:38] <MCR1> cjwatson: This was fixed a long time ago ;)
[10:38] <cjwatson> (don't bother telling me I should use it, I have pretty spartan tastes ;-) )
[10:38] <dholbach> I'm probably not the best person to evaluate that - I was even happy with metacity or sawfish before :)
[10:38] <cjwatson> sure, just saying
[10:39] <MCR1> cjwatson: And the bug report I posted above contains detailed instructions on how to compile it on Precise and Quantal
[10:39] <cjwatson> I know
[10:39] <dholbach> MCR1, a working source package will be required for review - maybe you can test it in a ppa before
[10:39] <cjwatson> I'm just giving the reason it was removed - we're getting increasingly strict on packages that have nobody botheering to take care of them
[10:39] <cjwatson> *bothering
[10:40] <MCR1> dholbach: Never made a PPA, but there is already one available containing it
[10:40] <dholbach> ok
[10:40] <MCR1> https://launchpad.net/~brainpower/+archive/testing/+build/3505578
[10:40] <MCR1> https://launchpad.net/~brainpower/+archive/testing/+build/3505578/+files/emerald_0.9.5-0~precise2_amd64.deb
[10:40] <Laney> if someone wants to take care of it then it's welcome to come back
[10:44] <MCR1> Laney: :)
[10:44] <MCR1> Thx 2 all 4 the help...
[13:05] <yolanda> hi, i have to backport a package, what are the correct steps? just file the bug with requestbackport?
[13:07] <geser> yes
[13:22] <yolanda> geser, do i need to subscribe ubuntu backporters or something, or just leave it open?
[13:23] <geser> have you a bug number to check?
[13:25] <yolanda> geser, 1067725
[13:26] <yolanda> i built the package and tested in precise myself
[13:27] <tumbleweed> yolanda: now you just wait :)
[13:27] <tumbleweed> (well, and prod some backporters if they don't seem to be doing anything)
[13:27] <geser> yolanda: no assignment or bug subscription is needed as the bug is filed against the "Precise backports" project
[13:27] <yolanda> tumbleweed, geser, ok, i'll wait :)
[13:27] <yolanda> thx
[13:27] <geser> the backports team works from the bug list for those backports projects
[13:28] <Laney> oh to expand the backports team
[14:30] <mitya57> hi dholbach (yet again)
[14:30] <dholbach> hey mitya57
[14:30] <mitya57> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/_static/searchtools.js returns 403 FORBIDDEN
[14:30] <mitya57> this makes search not working on the server
[14:30] <dholbach> oh wow
[14:30] <mitya57> are you able to fix it?
[14:30] <dholbach> no, but I can ask someone
[14:31] <mitya57> thank you
[14:32] <mitya57> and I've almost finished my branch for bug 1067338, now testing it
[14:43] <micahg> mitya57: I don't understand the point of this bug
[14:44] <mitya57> micahg: the point that we can have stylesheets/images/sources in a separate package and not in every html package we build
[14:44] <micahg> oh, I think I see now
[14:45] <micahg> mitya57: wait, what do you mean by every html pacakge?
[14:45] <mitya57> we are going to have localized packages for every language
[14:45] <mitya57> that reaches some threshold
[14:45] <mitya57> for now it's only spanish
[14:46] <micahg> why not just have an l10n package than rather that one package per language
[14:46] <mitya57> and there are also html and singlehtml variants within each package
[14:46]  * micahg would think you'd want it translatable in launchpad as well, right?
[14:47] <mitya57> micahg: I think the main reason is size
[14:47] <mitya57> but I'm not the one who came up with this idea
[14:47] <micahg> well, if you're doing .po files vs separate package per language, it should compress quite well
[14:48] <micahg> .po files mean the HTML doesn't need repeating
[14:48] <micahg> but idk if that works for documentation
[14:49] <mitya57> I don't know a way to make a web page dynamically load a translation of itself from gettext...
[14:49] <dholbach> micahg, no .po files
[14:49] <mitya57> and that definitely won't work for PDFs
[14:50] <dholbach> micahg, that's not how sphinx does it - it generates static html, pdfs
[14:50] <dholbach> and per language per flavour (html, pdf, epub, etc.) we have 500k
[14:51] <Laney> http://sphinx.pocoo.org/latest/intl.html
[16:18] <tumbleweed> oh, dear. We missed another MOTU meeting
[19:16] <jtaylor> raring is already open? oO
[19:16] <jtaylor> thats fast
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> time to s/quantal/raring :P
[19:17] <ScottK> No.
[19:17] <jtaylor> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openscenegraph got an upload 15 min ago
[19:17] <ScottK> Not open yet.
[19:17] <jtaylor> but its noted as frozen :)
[19:18] <ScottK> That's the archive copy happening.
[19:18] <ScottK> Note it's the same version as in quantal.
[19:18] <jtaylor> oh right
[22:59] <cjwatson> jtaylor: it'll be a while before it's open; we're going to try to get britney working first