[00:25] ooh i like this preseed business [00:26] :-0 [00:26] i was concerned it wouldn't play right with ppc but it seems to be behaving [00:26] so far so good on the server upgrades [00:27] 5 passed, 1 in progress [00:30] just finished wubi upgrade [00:31] all went well [00:31] yay [00:31] i was excited to see lubuntu in wubi [00:31] i didn't know it was there [00:31] we're working on docs to point out that fact [00:37] :-) [02:48] !isitout [02:48] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [03:57] howdy! ...we are hustling to get the 64bit ubuntustudio tests done from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26218/testcases [03:57] we still have time? correct? how much time do you think we have? and, could we talk anyone in to helping out you think? [03:59] holstein: I think you have some time. It's only 5AM in the UK right now. [04:00] aw shoot ubuntu server ppc failed for preseed [04:00] i've noticed a lot of these testcases seem to be copied over from x86 tests [04:00] i wonder if the preseed file isn't inappropriate [04:00] They probably are. [04:00] IIRC, dapper was the last release that powerpc was a Canonical supported architecture. [04:01] that's nice :) [04:01] ScottK: we'll see what we can do.. thanks! === Ursinhal is now known as Ursinha [04:42] * ScottK is going to bed, but if anyone has time, it looks like Xubuntu could use some help. [04:45] anything special i need to do to make a hardware profile? just sudo lshw and pastebin? [04:48] For filing a bug? [04:48] ScottK: just for on the testcases [04:48] Oh. Dunno. [04:48] * ScottK was going to bed anyway ... [04:49] well, i'll link it.. wont hurt [04:49] ScottK: GN [05:01] wxl: are you able to test the netboot let? [05:02] anyone(its PPC)? [05:16] well, the ubuntustudio 64bit tests are mostly done [05:16] i think someone more familiar should test the persistent live one.. and i'lll try and find someone before i go to sleep [05:33] actually, i didnt see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26107/testcases [05:34] the upgrade one.. we dont have that one done for 64bit, and it wont get done in time.. is that a deal breaker? [05:57] why doesn't netboot have bug reporting instructions? [06:09] Noskcaj: i'm still working on server [06:09] not even close O_O [06:09] wxl: do you know of anyone who can? [06:09] philballew hid when i asked him [06:10] I have a ppc laptop [06:10] never tried [06:10] sorry for hiding, currently doing homework for a java class [06:11] does it require a flash drive? [06:11] wxl, cd or dvd works as well [06:11] philballew: just if you have time [06:12] ok cuz booting flash on openfirmware BLOWS [06:12] i know [06:12] i couldn't get it to work at all [06:12] yeah i have about a 1% success rate [06:13] sooooooooo did you try netboot with cd/dvd then? [06:13] dd worked fine? [06:13] if you live in ca your free to have it probably and play with it [06:13] i used brasero, and its running at the moment [06:15] i assume you had no troub le finding the right url? [06:15] http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/quantal/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ [06:15] testcase is written for arm :/ [06:17] and we actually want mini.iso not an img. blah [06:17] wxl: i know, i will do a re-write of the testcase for ringtail [06:18] and put the normal link in [06:23] burning it with hdiutil on the intel mac [06:24] so what problems were you having Noskcaj ? [06:25] my first install didnt work but im running it again [06:25] and it said to use the uk server [06:26] for downloads [06:26] cool part about netboot: i can use my junky old 650mb cd-rws [06:28] wxl: so true [06:35] when you say it didnt work what happened, Noskcaj ? [06:35] good morning [06:36] get booted to open firmware prompt after the yaboot prompt??? [06:37] wxl: it installed fine but gave an error whenever it was started, i think i somehow caused it though [06:37] Hey dholbach [06:37] hey jibel [06:37] cuz i realize the download info is only appropriate for 64bit [06:37] wxl: i did get the normal one [06:38] someone's smarter than me :) [06:48] * wxl yawns [06:51] how many do you have to go wxl? [06:51] Noskcaj: too many [06:52] i've done 8/15 [06:52] so 7 left [06:52] nasty [06:53] i think netboot armeel+omap will be released as it is due to the lack of rebuilds to netboot [06:53] but i'm not going to bother with the 2 kvm ones or the 1 vmware one [06:53] i don't think i can do iscsi without starting another server [06:53] so there's another 2 [06:54] pretty darn sure virtual machine host/kvm won't work [06:54] so there's another one [06:55] so that leaves 7 [06:55] it's not 8/15 i've done [06:55] 8/21 [06:55] forgot the run-once's [06:56] so all those ones i say i don't have to do and i still have to do 7 XD [06:57] i don't think i'm going to do the raid one. it doesn't seem like it's going to work based on the fact that it relies on grub which ppc doesn't have [07:02] wxl: lol, great work testcase people [07:02] on the other hand as ScottK pointed out early ppc is the black sheep of the canonical family [07:07] wxl: very true [07:29] Noskcaj: worked. used lubuntu minimal [07:30] ok, i will use xubuntu-desktop and see if that works too [07:30] might try lubuntu desktop too if you care to === yofel_ is now known as yofel [07:33] anywho i'm going to set this thing to installing something and go to bed [08:04] what do i file a bug under for an error after the mini.iso install? [08:06] What type of error? [08:07] it says "Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed" [08:07] even after many reboots [08:08] unfortunatly wxl is asleep and he just passed the testcase [08:10] anyone? balloons i'm assuming you know [08:10] I tested one a couple days ago, no issues. [08:10] wxl said no issues either, i dont know what is happening to my g4 [08:13] I did a i686. [08:17] both mine and wxl's are PPC === ac is now known as ac_ [09:11] Noskcaj: what video card do you have? [09:13] on the mac, i dont know [09:14] phillw: i wil check when i can put a normal os on it [09:14] Noskcaj: okies. [09:15] sorry about not putting up a proper bug report, do you like my replacement? [09:29] good night everyone [09:40] !isitout [09:40] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [10:26] hi, as my *buntu hard drive has checked in sick (perfect timing), is there anyone who could test the lubuntu 12.04 --> 12.10 (AMD)? [10:30] Anyone like to help test Ubuntu Studio upgrade amd64 testcases for us? phillw ? [10:30] smartboyhw: read my last comment :( [10:30] phillw, sorry forgotten:D [10:31] I have 12.04 installing into a VM as we speak, but it takes a couple of hours for me to grab an iso, so I'm not much use to you. [10:31] and that's a CD sized iso! [10:32] phillw, wow...I am faster than you on that maybe [11:49] I'll be AFK for a couple of hours, should be back intime for release! [11:51] phillw: yup === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:43] hggdh, help! [12:43] Wow [12:59] jamespage: I am here, what is going on (or not going on, as it may be)? [12:59] hggdh, struggling to complete the juju+maas test for quantal release [12:59] we think it works but I can find no-one who has run it on amd64 [13:01] hggdh, do you have the right kit to test? [13:02] jamespage: I have two amd64 available [13:02] hggdh: might be enough [13:08] jamespage: so, what you need me to do? One of the machines already has MAAS [13:09] hggdh, does it have remote power control over the other one? [13:09] jamespage: nope, not directly. Both of the are on a CDU strip though, and I can control power [13:11] hggdh, hmm [13:12] jamespage: power can be controlled via script (Andres' implementation for the Sentry CDU). So, if this is enough, we are good [13:13] no pressure but this is critical path now :) [13:13] :-) [13:14] :-) [13:17] hggdh, I don't think you have enough nodes todo the test [13:17] needs 3 - maas, bootstrap + deploy [13:19] jamespage: I can grab some machines from the lab -- say alkaid, phact, and rukbah [13:19] TheDrums: do you know if he figured out where to file that bug? there's another bug like that that's been affecting alternate and server for other people, even the one guy with the same video card as me who usually shares the same problems [13:19] phillw: just waking up. hope my email made sense [13:51] jamespage,hggdh: any news? [13:51] cjwatson, matsubara is spinning up a maas deployment now in the maas qa lab [13:51] cjwatson: matsubara is running the tests on the server team's maas lab [14:26] wxl: as the netboot has a fail, and you state that 32 bit is the more common one required, along with it needing a workaround... it's not really fit for release. [14:27] phillw: the testcase is a fail, not the test [14:27] with having ubuntu-core ppc, we can build server etc from that. I'd also have to make a fake RAID array under VM to test the install under VM. For this, I need my *buntu hard drive back. That is a couple of hours off line for me, so I'd miss the dead line. [14:28] but i'm fine with whatever [14:28] I think for server-ppc, if we get it to pass the tests at some point, I'll add it as a community edition to my ISO server. [14:28] phillw, good:D [14:29] i really like netboot [14:29] i forgot about that [14:29] i did that once a long time ago [14:29] phillw: netboot can't really not be released, FWIW [14:29] It's in the archive like it or not [14:29] phillw: so you can take care of the vm stuff and iscsi? [14:29] All you can really do is stick a release note on it [14:29] ubuntu-core ppc, should be a good enough starting block [14:30] cjwatson: oooh, thanks - it still shows not-ready on iso tracker. [14:30] the thing i'm worried about is the mandatory raid test which it is highly doubtful i will be able to accomplish just based on time alone [14:31] wxl: had my hard drive not checked in sick, I was going to do the raid one 1st to get it out of the way. [14:31] i did a bunch of test yesterday while i was at work number 1, went to work number 2, then came home and did a bunch of tests until i couldn't see straight [14:32] wxl, wow;D [14:32] now it's time to do it all over again :) [14:33] i wish that stupid recusive fault bug wasn't popping up for everyone [14:33] same here.... [14:34] that is troubling, whatever it is, because it makes my only one other nvidia-equipped tester useless [14:34] luckily there appears to be more radeons out there [14:34] and desktop works fine for them [14:35] i have to re-do preseed too [14:35] I think one the guys reckoned it was about 25% nVid, 75% Radeon [14:35] based on the 6 of us? XD [14:36] grr virtualization host is mandatory too [14:36] wxl: colin says that net boot is available, but needs the release notes doing. [14:37] it is doubtful to me that any ppc will be kvm-friendly [14:38] phillw: by release notes you mean i'm supposed to write the test case appropriately? XD or i should go ahead and solve the recursive fault bug? ;) [14:38] brb [14:40] just you comments on the recursive bug and other comments from your test will be okay. raise a bug against the test case so that it can be looked into. (I've already got the "grub" one for ppc on my TODO list). [14:42] phillw: well reeally every ppc test needs to be reviewed but that one in particular is horrible so i'll raise a bug [14:42] got to take kid to school [14:49] howdy gents [14:49] howdy babyface_ [14:49] Oops [14:49] howdy balloons [14:49] hello smartboyhw [14:50] babyface_, sorry want to say howdy to balloons tab failure:P [14:50] smartboyhw, that's ok ;) [14:50] don't worry babyface_ I'll still say hello to you! [14:50] did you get a chance to test the chinese images? [14:51] balloons, downloading, will test it after the downloading [14:51] balloons, I got this issue from plars just now [14:52] babyface_, ahh I see the chat [14:52] you can't zsync them eh? [14:54] balloons, I can, but, you know, there are no old chinese images on my disk, so it's the same as a fresh download [14:56] ahh.. figures [15:11] balloons: the mandatory virtualization host test for ubuntu server ppc requires the use of kvm which according to their homepage only supports x86 hardware with virtualization extensions, which is to say, it's irrelevant for ppc. can we remove it? [15:13] also am i wrong but this testcase seems a little sparse http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26210/testcases/1445/results [15:13] balloons: the same could be said of RAID, as the link points to using KVM to create a 'software' RAID [15:13] i can guarantee that one's going to pass XD [15:13] * balloons distracted for a moment [15:13] be with you a few [15:14] phillw: it's possible to run a test as a guest but not possible to run kvm on the host if the host is ppc [15:14] so yeah actually the iscsi root (virtualized kvm) test is invalid too [15:14] so nevermind that going to pass thing ;) [15:15] wxl: just wait for Nicholas to catch up with us. [15:15] off to make breakfast then :) [15:16] wxl: thanks for the all-nighter! [15:20] uh oh we got people looking to install already on #lubuntu ;) [15:21] it's not finalised yet! [15:21] hah i know [15:22] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.10/release/ [15:22] oops [15:22] sorry [15:22] kubuntu 934mb, ubuntu 763mb [15:23] Ubuntu bug 763 in zope2.7 (Ubuntu) "Something wrong on mkzope2.7instance" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763 [15:23] < linux_training:#twitter_wxl> [84] Ubuntu Linux 12.10 review: Better, but slower http://t.co/dAqGSpuU [15:24] send them to #ubuntu-release-party [15:25] * wxl fears joining said channel due to the potential flood [15:26] he he, I'm just awaiting the note from kate, so I can set about the GetLubuntu Wiki! [15:26] ew zdnet recommending mint over ubuntu bummer [15:27] phillw: are you or karl or someone taking care of linking the L-PPCFAQ to the release notes? [15:27] depends what type of DE you want! [15:27] wxl: I've been on once to do a tidy up, anything else need doing? [15:28] no should be ok, i just did one too after you [15:28] you comments on minimal for ppc would be appreeciated, I think server-ppc is okay once we strip out the N/A test cases. [15:30] wxl: has the tomcat test instance finished for ppc-server? [15:32] running the last tests now [15:33] phillw: you mean comments on netboot? [15:33] k -- so what's up? [15:33] okies, I've let kate know that I'm waiting on Nicholas to confirm the N/A tests for server [15:34] balloons: several test cases (the ones not done) require KVM, which is not supported on PPC and therefor are N/A ... can these be removed from the mandatory tests? [15:34] balloons: basically we need ot kill the kvm tests on ubuntu server ppc as ppc chips can't do kvm [15:34] ↑ what he said [15:34] ahh [15:34] got it [15:34] let's go [15:34] kate has agreed to hang on whilst I sought agreement from you. [15:35] yes, we can do that [15:35] however, we can't do it right now [15:35] well, I guess we can [15:36] if we change the testsuite now, it will refresh everything [15:36] meaning you will need to re-report the results [15:36] balloons, not good when 12.10 testing almost came to the end.. [15:36] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [15:37] mark 'em all as passed with notes? ;) [15:37] wxl, phillw it won't require re-testing obviously [15:37] tomcat done [15:37] phillw, balloons: kvm supports ppc, it's pretty recent but our qemu-kvm is building for ppc and BenC has been poking hallyn and some others to fix some bugs [15:37] so removing a testcase because kvm doesn't exist on PPC would be wrong [15:37] stgraber: kvm supports ppc as a GUEST not as a HOST [15:37] or am i reading you right? [15:37] stgraber: so it will be available for 13.04? [15:38] wxl: see ppc section: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Processor_support [15:38] well i'll be a monkey's uncle [15:39] homepage needs to be updated [15:39] wxl: some ppc CPU have hardware virtualization and are supported by kvm though it's apparently still early stage [15:39] i quote: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware containing virtualization extensions (Intel VT or AMD-V" [15:39] wxl, phillw so you were basing this on real life experience or ? [15:39] x86 hardware != ppc ;) [15:39] balloons: basing it on kvm's home page [15:40] but it also sounds like we can't be sure it will work [15:40] certainly not for 12.10 [15:40] right, stgraber ? i can't just grab it out of the repos? [15:40] or perhaps even more appropriately, the virtualization host task won't install it [15:40] as far as I know we have a qemu-kvm binary for PPC in the archive [15:40] huh [15:40] well i'll give it a shot [15:40] now you may need some pretty specific CPU to make it work [15:41] but if it fails, i'm not going to mark it failed. we'll discuss it then [15:41] wxl, yes, I would try [15:41] stgraber: so, should we mark as N/A until we have time to do further work. Otherwise perver-ppc is a NOGO [15:41] *server-ppc* [15:42] ppc is a port, so the lack of result for a single test shouldn't prevent publication [15:42] i have a g4 32 so it should work [15:42] stgraber: well it *IS* a mandatory test as the suite is written [15:42] by the letter of the law and all… [15:42] not sure how much time we have left before kate closes the door on testing.... [15:44] :( [15:44] well i have to go to work [15:44] when i get there i'll run the test [15:44] hopefully i can have it donerelatively soon [15:45] ta [16:06] it's ridiculous to require virt host on powerpc when it's so new [16:06] besides, it's too late, that image was already marked ready, signed off, and published [16:07] feel free to release note it but it is too late to say it's not releaseable now [16:10] wxl: mandatory isn't really mandatory in all cases. It means you have to think about if it's important. [16:10] cjwatson: once again, thanks. [16:10] right, ScottK puts it more gracefully :) [16:11] the rules are meant to be interpreted by humans [16:11] ScottK: all the various ways that we can install server-ppc have been checked. KVM stuff is not applicable to all PPC machines, and will be moved from mandatory. [16:11] That and a lot of the powerpc test cases were blindly copied for i386/amd64. [16:11] just not 10 minutes before deadline :D [16:11] So you have to think about it is a lot more true for powerpc than other archs. [16:13] ScottK: I'm more than happy with the verification of the 'standard' installs that have been done. They should cover all PPC's, the others may, or may not, be applicable depending on hardware. [16:14] That will require a whole new wiki area to be written! [16:22] cjwatson: just a quick query.. I don't see server-ppc listed at http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ [16:23] phillw: powerpc is on cdimage - follow the link at the top [16:24] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/release/ [16:25] cjwatson: that just shows alternate and desktop? I was looking where the server images are stored? [16:26] phillw, the cdimage link shows the ppc server image [16:26] yes, I checked [16:27] found them, it's just so I can update the wiki page with all these 'new' ones that have arrived :) Thanks! [16:28] phillw, :D [16:48] back [16:48] just for grins i'm gonan try the virtualization host [16:49] might be cool to know where we stand for 13.04 [16:49] wxl, :-) [16:51] glad to hear i'm not going to be under the gun tho [16:51] * balloons puts wxl under the rope [16:52] sheesh [16:52] LOL [16:53] where? [16:53] oops wrong channel [17:04] anyone: is there a place where canonical keeps track of which architectures are being used? i'm especially curious about 32 v 64 bit regardless of whether or not we're ttalking about x86 or whatever [17:12] wxl: sadly, not. As there are so many ways of getting the iso's it is pointless trying to keep track. [17:14] wxl: were you aware that there is a 32bit AND 64bit netboot for PPC? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/quantal/ [17:14] phillw: yes i passed the 32 [17:15] btw stgraber et al. the virtualization host task failed. kvm-ok is not found and lsmod | grep kvm is null. so put that on the todo list for 13.04. [17:15] phew i can't take that release party channel anymore [17:15] I'm just editing that part of the Wiki now... [17:16] I never joined it :P [17:16] so what do you need from me? [17:16] it's like a freaking high school party [17:17] Did anyone test the 64 bit netinstall for PPC? [17:17] no 64bit here sorry [17:17] okies, I'll ask on mailing list. It may be a N/A for lubuntu. [17:17] it'll prolly work [17:18] OK someone change the topic....Ubuntu 12.10 is released!!!!!!! [17:18] yeah, I'll put it up on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall for completeness sake :D [17:18] :) [17:19] close quarter wiki editing with this amount of links in per table is making my eyes wonky! === jibel changed the topic of #ubuntu-testing to: Welcome to Ubuntu QA and Testing | http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | Ubuntu 12.10 is released! | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com [17:20] woot [17:21] even jibel stuck around for that :-) [17:21] babyface_, woot [17:21] Ouch balloons phillw woot [17:21] Congrats everyone ! [17:21] Yay yay yay [17:22] * phillw still editing wiki area... [17:23] phillw, oh sorry:P [17:25] GetLubuntu all updated... [17:26] phillw, :D [17:27] my server is now zsyncing, as soon as it is done each team listed at http://phillw.net/isos/ may use it as a secondary direct server download. [17:27] phillw, yay [17:35] phillw: should https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu reference the lubuntu ppc faq too? [17:40] wxl: it's all done via release notes. [17:41] I haven't even had time to check links yet! 3 pages of iso links to alter... Standard, Alternate and mini.iso! === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [17:43] wxl: link to release notes added to GetLubuntu [17:45] hey at least when ubuntu for android comes out we won't need to test that for ppc [17:45] [17:46] is there anyone about from arm for Lubuntu release? [17:48] what's minimum hardware for lubuntu arm? [17:48] i have two old webos phones that maybe i could make work [17:49] i know one of them had instructions on running debian lxde off of it [17:50] v4+ [17:50] oops [17:50] v7+ [17:51] my pre2 is indeed a cortex a8 === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [18:22] wxl: I'll look for ogra coming online, the ARM team have been looking after the testing etc. They asked for a low resource version, but our devs don't have access to ARM kit, so they've been looking after that 'in-house'. [18:27] phillw: it probably won't be easy to do, especially considering there's no external storage (read: sd card) but i'm not wedded to the phone. i'd hack it as needed. would be a fun project [18:33] is it time to start testing 13.04 yet? ;) [18:36] wxl: the information about arm is at http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/12.10/ [18:37] hm, pretty scant [18:58] thanks to all the group for the great work done. Fabio [19:10] balloons, hallo, great intro...http://www.ubuntu.com/ lol [19:10] http://www.ubuntu.com/ [19:11] hallo! [19:26] balloons: I don't have a list of the TL's for the different flavours, but can you let them know that all members of the family that are listed at http://phillw.net/isos/ have Quantal iso's available as a secondary direct server. [19:28] balloons: hold that note! just found at least one hasn't got on. [19:41] phillw, hehe [19:42] studio is 404 [19:42] indeed, that was the one I checked. unit is looking into it. [19:43] it is the 1st time the script has been fully run, so a bit of tweaking is to be expected. [19:43] as it is zsync, re-running it causes minimal traffic for the images it already dafely has. [19:43] s/dafely/safely/ [20:08] hey i didn't know there was ATA over ethernet. are we going to add that along with iSCSI for server tests? [20:15] wxl: they still make ATA hard drives? :P [20:15] ) [20:16] er forgot my eyes there [20:16] forgiven, you spent a long time at the screen! [20:16] you sound like the guy on the party channel that was like "why do they recommend 32 bit still? NO ONE uses anything but 64 bit anymore" [20:16] same guy was of course saying ppc is so "1998" [20:17] ah... 1998, when men were men & he was a but a little sperm.... [20:17] \;) [20:41] balloons: when will you next be on 'normal' duties? I have a batch of 'old' test cases to be converted :) [20:43] phillw, we can do it anytime now [20:44] balloons: whilst we were busy, Julien did make a start on the lubuntu "test once' cases that are specific to LX :) [20:44] awesome [20:45] yea, now that the release is out, we can go wild on fixing up the cases [20:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Applications_test_cases [20:45] do you guys want me to start xubntu lvm + encription? [20:45] or netboot [20:45] ? [20:45] Noskcaj: all our iso's got out :) [20:45] Noskcaj, the lvm+encryption for xubuntu should be the same as ubuntu [20:45] then can someone put it in [20:46]