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knightwisegood morning everyone06:17
swattor_MORNING06:20
swattor_oops, my bad06:20
knightwisewel .. we are up now !06:20
knightwise:p06:20
AlanBellmorning ringtails06:24
* jussi fires AlanBell06:25
knightwisehey popey !06:26
knightwisemornin AlanBell06:26
popeymorning06:27
popeyenjoying your nexus 7 AlanBell :) ?06:27
popey32gb version comes out on 18th nov apparently06:27
* knightwise has the 8 gig06:30
knightwisei consider it one of my external organs06:30
knightwisesince I always have it with me06:31
AlanBellyes, it is nice06:31
knightwisepopey: does the 32 gig come with 3G ?06:31
knightwiseAlanBell: did you do the latest OS upgrade ?06:31
popeydunno06:31
* knightwise stares fondly at the landschape mode lockscreen06:31
AlanBellso will there be a rooting and flashing party at UDS?06:32
popeyi think so06:32
AlanBellooh that sounds a bit wrong06:32
popeya Raring one06:32
knightwisehttp://mashable.com/2012/09/03/google-nexus-7-3g-rumor/06:33
knightwisedoes anybody know if 12.04 can read and write to Exfat ?06:34
knightwiseI want to create a shared partition on my dualboot OSX-12.04 macbook air06:34
knightwiseand I would love something that could handle big files and be readable and writable for both systems06:34
dwatkinsfat32?06:40
knightwisebut is the file limit there 4 gig or 2 gig ?06:43
dwatkinsdon't thnk so, wikipedia has a big table06:44
dwatkinssorry, making breakfast06:44
shauno406:45
dwatkinsi stand corrected06:45
knightwisehmm .. should be big enough06:48
knightwisethe only thing that would make it incompable would be when I would be using vms06:49
dwatkinsi assume exfat isn't supported yet, might be tho06:50
knightwisethere is a fuse package i mean to remember06:50
diploMorning all07:04
knightwisehey diplo07:04
shaunoI only tend to hit 4GB for movies.  vmware has an option to create vmdk split into 2GB chunks, and virtualbox sort of can with a workaround07:15
knightwiseshauno: might be a good idea07:17
knightwisethe only reason I would need to park a VM on it is for tutorials07:18
shaunolast I tried virtualbox won't create split disks, but has no problems using the chunked vmdk vmware created07:18
knightwisehmm. ok ,  but i think a 4 gig install just to "show' something is managable07:21
knightwisepopey: did you manage to listen to the interview ?07:25
popeynot all of it07:33
TheOpenSourcererJust ordered some new bits to upgrade wifey's desktop PC. I went for the new core i3 3225 (has the HD4000 GPU!).07:45
TheOpenSourcererhttp://www.ebuyer.com/393556-intel-core-i3-3225-3-30ghz-skt1155-3mb-cache-boxed-bx80637i3322507:45
TheOpenSourcererKids have the 3125 and that is working very nicely so this should be better!07:45
TheOpenSourcerermeant the 2125, not 312507:47
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gord30ghz seems like a lot08:25
livingdaylightis this our current [12.10] mascot - the quetzal bird ? http://www.mayanmajix.com/quetzal.html08:30
Myrttiwhere can I change the layout of my workspaces in Unity2D?08:30
AlanBellMyrtti: in ccsm08:31
MyrttiI want the four to be on the same row and wrap around like in the cube, not two aside in two rows08:31
MyrttiAlanBell: in Unity2D?08:31
AlanBellgeneral options, desktop size08:31
AlanBellooh, unity 2d08:31
AlanBellerrr, no clue, sorry08:31
MyrttiI know how to get it in the normal Unity, but I was hoping the graphical glitches would go away if I use Unity2D08:32
AlanBellgrid of workspaces doesn't work for me either, I prefer linear horizontal or vertical like in Gnome Shell08:32
SuperMattgood luck today guys!08:33
popeyMyrtti, http://askubuntu.com/questions/52396/how-can-i-make-the-workspace-switcher-in-unity-2d-show-more-than-one-row-of-work08:34
Myrttifunny thing is I appear to be able to screenshot the glitch08:35
Myrttipopey: I was just about to google for it when Chromium glitched, I got a screenshot, and it crashed08:35
bigcalm!isitoutyet08:36
lubotu3Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party08:36
ali1234is it release day alreday?08:36
JamesTaitGood morning all! :-D08:36
AlanBellit is08:36
AlanBellhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail lots of people coming to the party later08:38
JamesTaitIs something important happening today? :-P08:38
SuperMattI've just added my girlfriend as +108:39
SuperMattI'm looking forward to it08:39
SuperMattare you bringing the free CDs, AlanBell ?08:39
Laneyyeah, 90 years since the BBC was founded08:40
SuperMatthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LCKBdjywQ < wow, ghostbusters gangnam style08:41
Myrttipopey: that actually doesn't help at all - I managed to change the workspaces to a layout I want but none of the methods for changing from one to another reflect that change08:44
popeySuperMatt, the CDs aren't pressed yet08:45
popey:(08:45
SuperMattawww :(08:46
SuperMattoh well, I'll order one08:46
Myrttido I have to go using XFCE4 now? awww08:47
jacobwmorning08:51
* Myrtti raises hand in a slight wave of panic08:52
Myrttican I not read my synchronized tomboy notes from Ubuntu One website anymore?08:53
popeyyeah, the web ui went some while back08:53
Myrttioh dear god08:54
Myrttihttp://u1.to/notes/ phew08:54
Myrttialmost got a heart attack08:56
popeyeh?08:57
czajkowskialoha09:01
jacobwif you love something rsync it to several hosts :)09:02
MyrttiI've got some of the less important passwords on Tomboy and needed one09:03
Myrttisister seems to be happy with XFCE409:05
Myrttiin the end I didn't install the whole Xubuntu stuff because she'll use the apps she used in Ubuntu 10.04 anyway09:06
Myrttijacobw: sure, if all the machines are on at the same time09:06
gordif you love something, sign up for every cloud service under the sun and have them all sync each other09:07
brobostigongood morning everyone,09:17
knightwisehey brobostigon09:17
brobostigonhey knightwise09:18
bigcalmA member of our LUG is so despondent about Unity, that he has been looking at lots of other distros. Last night I showed him my laptop running 12.04 and xubuntu-desktop. He liked it so much that he's coming back to Ubuntu09:20
bigcalmWhy do people think that a DE is the be-all end-all of a distro? It's depressing when people change their whole distro when the UI changes09:21
popeypeople are funny09:21
smittixMorning people.09:23
smittixlong time no see09:23
smittixor speak even.09:23
popeyhello09:24
* bigcalm is always watching - always09:24
DJonesbigcalm is big brother09:26
* knightwise wonders if bigcalm has binders full of women09:27
smittixHow is everyone?09:28
Myrttiso it appears I get Netflix free for the rest of the year because I pay for Spotify09:30
Myrttinice. Thanks Netflix Nordic ♥09:30
popeyAlanBell, where did you get your nexus 7?09:31
ali1234bigcalm: i've explained it many times. if you want to use gnome, fedora puts a lot more effort into polishing it than ubuntu does. if you want KDE, opensuse is a million times better than kubuntu09:33
SuperMattI'd go mageia for kde these days09:35
ali1234unfortunately nobody really puts any effort into xfce, and it shows09:35
ali1234and by effort i mean money09:35
popeyoops, i appear to have bought a nexus 709:38
knightwiselol popey :) 16 or 8 gig ?09:38
Mezpopey: accidental entering of CC and clicking a few things?09:38
AlanBellpopey: PC world guildford09:39
AlanBellI went in to get a bluetooth sound receive and accidentally the nexus09:39
SuperMattoh, is anyone going to be at the party before 7 today?09:39
AlanBellSuperMatt: I might be09:40
popey1609:40
* popey bought two :S09:40
popeyI can't buy one of anything09:40
SuperMattAlanBell: what time?09:41
AlanBelldunno really, but I am in Canary Wharf area09:41
SuperMattfair enough09:46
SuperMattwell when you decide to go over there, prod me cos I'm none too far away myself09:47
Myrttioh gods I hate printers09:50
SuperMattwho doesn't?09:50
Myrtti/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed09:51
gordhow would you scp a file that requires root privalages from remote machine A to local machine B, when you can only scp from machine B?09:51
Myrtti:-(09:51
gordlike root to read09:51
AlanBellgord: can you ssh, or just scp?09:52
gordi can ssh09:53
AlanBellso, you can copy it on machine A to somewhere and change permissions so your scp user can read it09:54
gordgood point09:54
matttSCPASROOT09:54
matttproblem solved09:54
AlanBell!root09:54
lubotu3Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo09:54
matttbollox09:55
* jacobw sets the root password too09:55
* AlanBell does not09:55
mattti use root09:55
mattttho i disallow root ssh logins :P09:55
bigcalmKeys \o/09:59
danfishhappy releasings day!10:12
danfishwhat are people using to keep track of the IP's of machine's on their LAN's? hosts files or something more DNS-y?10:13
bigcalmdanfish: if there are a lot of machines, then DNS in the router10:14
popeymine just seems to work by magic10:19
danfishthe router's running dd-wrt so DNS should be easy set up.10:19
Seeker`magic \o/10:19
popeyyeah, mine is dd-wrt10:19
Seeker`local DNS on my router doesn't work10:19
popeyhost.local seems to just work10:19
* danfish suspects voodoo ;)10:20
danfishjust logged into my router for the first time in yonks...needs a little housekeeping :(10:23
davmor2Morning all10:30
SuperMattanyone else upset that 13.04 isn't going to be called radiant robin? :(10:32
* popey wanted Rolling Rabbit10:33
davmor2popey: rancid rat didn't get picked I'm really upset ;)10:33
danfishI think Randy Rabbit was also taken...10:35
mattthaha10:35
matttrandy rabbit10:35
davmor2I really wanted EEEEEEEE KEVIN10:37
Seeker`DJones: or rampant rabbit?10:38
Seeker`err10:39
Seeker`meant to be for danfish10:39
* Seeker` kicks his tab key10:39
bigcalmdavmor2: I convinced Amo to come back to Ubuntu by showing him xubuntu-desktop10:41
bigcalmdavmor2: he blames you for hiding it from him10:41
davmor2bigcalm: I told him about it repeatedly and showed him pictures the lying git10:42
bigcalm:D10:42
bigcalmPictures are one thing, using it yourself is another10:42
bigcalmEven Chris was surprised by how it's come along10:43
bigcalm!isitoutyet10:45
lubotu3Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party10:45
bigcalmBoo10:45
davmor2bigcalm: Don't make me come over there and slap you  into the middle of december :D10:46
bigcalm:P10:46
davmor2by the way HAPPY RELEASE DAY EVERYONE10:47
czajkowskiAlanBell: I spy you on latitude around the corner from J10:49
AlanBell:)10:50
AlanBellstalker!10:50
* AlanBell goes to stalk czajkowski10:50
popeyAlanBell, how do you mount the camera? upside down?10:50
popeydoesnt the picture come out the wrong way up?10:50
AlanBellthere are clicky flicky buttons in the gui to fix that10:51
popeyahh10:51
bigcalmEasy enough to flip it10:51
czajkowskihmm I need to find the page with what's new in 12.1010:51
AlanBellclick both for upside down10:51
czajkowskiand write a talk all by 4pm today as then I've a call, dinner and then drive to talk then give talk10:51
czajkowskiso didnt think this one through10:52
bigcalmWing it ;)10:52
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes10:52
bigcalmTalk about rugby10:52
czajkowskibigcalm: there is always that :)10:52
czajkowskiit's in Limerick after all :D10:52
czajkowskipopey: thanks10:53
shaunoanyone know any 'network theory' crashcourse type things?  (I have to write a training that goes all the way up the stack from ARP resolution to smtp/http/dns specifics.  I'm losing my mind)11:00
daubersshauno: CCENT?11:00
daubersOr CCNA even11:00
matttnetwork+ ?11:00
bigcalmLUNCH!11:01
shaunookay, now I'm more concerned that that is actually the scope of what I'm being asked to deliver via powerpoint.  This may require a rethink11:03
bittin^workRaring Ringtail o;:11:03
bittin^workhttp://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7nEK4n9QRiwAI.dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1cGU4amhhBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDA5OV8xNTU-/SIG=13207qa6l/EXP=1350587018/**http%3a//news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-13-04-a-k-a-Raring-Ringtail-300211.shtml11:03
czajkowskipopey: you going to release party later on?11:09
popeyno11:09
czajkowskiFab and Chris from H-online are going11:09
popeyawww11:09
popeycan't justify it given I'll be away for 2 weeks11:09
czajkowskioh yes indeed11:09
bittin^worksomone knows when .iso is uploaded?11:09
czajkowskibigcalm: later on11:09
popeywe don't usually have sprint+UDS the week immediately after release11:09
czajkowskibittin^work: later on11:10
czajkowskipopey: release is also very early as well11:10
czajkowski:/11:10
bigcalm!party11:10
lubotu3Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Quantal release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/11:10
bittin^workah hope iam able to update my PC when i get home from work11:10
popeyupdate it now :)11:10
bittin^workmy box at home is turned off and Ubuntu is borked :(11:10
bittin^workso thinking of reinstalling it really11:10
popeyah11:10
bittin^workinstalled some kernel from a PPA that screwed up Wubi whoops :p11:11
gordcan you not make a replacement popey out of straw?11:11
bittin^workdon't even remember what i got on the Ubuntu side of things11:11
gordand then put him on the bonfire?11:11
gordno wait thats next month11:11
popey:)11:11
czajkowskigord: lets not burn the man shall we11:12
czajkowskihe's useful!11:12
bittin^workbut my Windows 7 is mostly a bootloader for Battlefield 3 anyways :p11:12
czajkowskigord: TEA BAGs - your final reminder11:12
bittin^workgot a GTX 660 from work yesterday so now i can play it at ultra11:12
gordnoted, i'll make a google callender alarm to remind me to remind you to bring me some teabags11:12
bittin^workwith around 50-70 FPS11:12
czajkowskiI am not bringing tea bags mister11:12
czajkowskishall have flown from .ie and not unpacking when I'm in the UK for less than 24hrs11:13
czajkowski*48hs11:13
bittin^worki has le tickets to UK but nowhere to stay, not sure if i will go or not :p11:13
bittin^workbut they are for 2-5th December so have time to think still11:13
gordah yes, the dead of winter, the best time to enjoy the cold miserable english weather11:14
bittin^workwas about to meet a friend, but plans changed, and my other friend was away in .ie11:14
bittin^workand think iam to lazy to get a new passport and find a hotel so think i might ditch it11:15
s-foxhello.11:59
bittin^workhi11:59
davmor2popey: I see czajkowski is trying to get you to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1067803 then12:03
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1067803 in unity (Ubuntu) "email notifier no longer changes colour when new mail arrives" [Undecided,New]12:03
davmor2popey:  at least I'm assuming that is why czajkowski is being nice to you ;)12:03
czajkowskioi I'm always nice to popey he makes things work12:04
davmor2czajkowski: so your are annoying him to fix that issue then :D12:07
czajkowskinope :s12:10
czajkowskiit's not gonna get fixed today and folks are busy12:10
davmor2czajkowski: no really, it's almost as if it is release day or something12:11
* Dave2 should really figure out why he can no longer use his sound card with pulseaudio12:11
czajkowskiI;m just waiting on someone looking for a build increase today :)12:11
Dave2It just...stopped at some point during 12.04. (It also coincides with pulseaudio not automatically starting.) But I'm willing to bet that it probably has something to do with being a 4 year old install.12:12
davmor2Dave2: if pulseaudio isn't starting then that might be why too :D12:13
Dave2I can start pulseaudio manually, that gives me the option for S/PDIF output on my main soundcard, or other outputs on my old one12:14
Dave2(I also get some messages about how there are too many channels and it can't handle it, but hardly anyone else seems to have this issue so I have no idea.)12:14
livingdaylightThe Quetzal bird of Central America ( Ket-zal) and the rattle snake shared the position of most reviered creatures by the ancient Maya. The feathers of the irradencent Quetzal were used in Royal costume and ceremonial garb for kings and priests. The Quetzal symboloized the movement of Creation and the will of the Creator come to earth. As the Serpent moves side to side on the ground, the Quetzal flaps and gl12:15
livingdaylightides through the jungle. That is it moves up and down in it progression. The Maya knew that Creation moves from Day to Night or Creation to Destruction in a wave like pattern.12:15
livingdaylighthttp://www.mayanmajix.com/lab_F1.html12:15
Dave2Searching for the error message "That's too much! I can't handle that!" appears to have a mixture of pulseaudio errors and, er, fan fiction.12:20
CaMasonanyone know how to hide empty folders when doing a folder comparison in meld?12:23
mungojerryyay i can crash google chrome at will :)12:25
diploDave2: haven't read the rest but my sound doesn't work on 12.1012:27
diploWas 10.10 previously, ICH7 Intel card12:27
diploModule loaded for it, but only dummy output showing12:28
diploWas going to harass the channel this evening12:28
Dave2diplo: I have a Xonar D2X, so completely different module. I'm now reading package changelogs to try to figure out what broke it.12:28
Dave2diplo: try using ALSA output directly, see if that works12:29
Dave2(e.g. configure VLC to use ALSA and your sound card)12:29
diploWill do that tonight12:29
_serial_hi all, you guys are probs sick of people asking but does any one have a clue when 12.10 is getting released?  daily builds are still on the 17/10 :(12:32
AlanBell_serial_: join #ubuntu-release-party to find out12:33
_serial_thank you AlanBell :)12:33
popeylater12:33
AlanBellMark Shuttleworth and the release manager Kate Stuart are there and will announce it when they announce it12:33
_serial_I didnt know that :)12:35
* daubers will update this evening12:36
JamesTait!isitoutyet12:41
lubotu3Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party12:41
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diploAnyone good with strace output ?13:17
diploIf in the file there is something saying unlink by the time it's gone on to the next line and = 0 should that action have been completed ?13:18
einonmdiplo: depends if unlink is async or not, I suppose. = 0 is the return value13:18
einonmalso unlink only deletes the file if no other processes has it open13:20
diployeah it is useradd, opens passwd, reads it and makes a passwd.lock and then unlinks it after13:20
diploExcept the lock file is not going then the server crashes, I was thinking that if it was succesful the lock should disappear13:21
diploBut maybe not13:21
einonmdepends where the crash happens in that sequence13:21
diploRight at the end, says it was succesful in create /home/<user> but the dir hasn't been created, the entries to passwd/group have been made13:22
diploand /var/spool/mail/ has been created13:22
diploI'm trying to find the cause of the crash but failing miserably13:23
einonmthe changes may not be written to disk by the time the crash occurs, so could be lost - is the crash a kernel panic?13:23
diploI believe so, on a remote site many miles away. Trying to get a definite answer is causing me a headache13:24
diplo:)13:24
einonm:/ got any trace?13:24
diploOnly trace I've got is of running the useradd program ( this isn't ubuntu mind you ) that's why I am trying to being general :)13:25
diploCentos, but they suck and I just want ideas to point me in the right direction13:25
diploNothing shows up in any logs13:25
einonmAn oops message would be most helpful13:26
diploI've created a vm locally and can't replicate and the strace finishes just before exit_group(0) on the broken server13:26
diplothen the server crashes13:27
czajkowskihmmmm I can seem to find my menu options when I max LO out13:27
einonmI think with no logs and no kernel oops, you're a bit sharfted13:27
czajkowskineed to change my header/footer13:27
czajkowskigah13:27
diploOne thing though, useradd from the GUI works fine ( don't ask me why they have a gui )13:28
diploI'm guessing it uses it's own program13:28
einonmare you using strace with the -f option?13:28
diploNope13:28
* diplo looks13:28
diploI'll add that and crash again now :)13:29
einonmTry that. Gives the strace of any child processes13:29
diploWell it's crashed, tried outputting to a file this time, a few mins and hopefully it'll be back up either by a phone call or on it's own13:32
einonma local file, or remote? You may find it's not there if it's a local file...13:33
einonmif the crash occurs and there's still data cached and waiting to get written to disk13:34
diploI thought about that after hitting enter, did it to screen last time13:34
diploHGave to wait for now13:34
einonmno worries  :)13:35
diploI hate working like this :(13:37
einonmdiplo: welcome to my world :)13:46
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-1976000613:46
diploheh, I do a fair bit of it, but I prefer to replicate locally but the company I work for suck at giving you the tools you need :(13:46
popey:)13:47
diploCame back up, but the strace finished earlier than the last one13:47
einonmsounds like you need to store the trace in a file that has O_DIRECT / O_SYNC so there's no buffering13:49
einonm..may be a bit tricky...13:50
MartijnVdSdo it over ssh, so it's always piped out of the machine first?13:50
diployeah I am, think I'll just do it screen again this time13:51
einonmthen you're at the mercy of any caching in the network code...it may give you more though13:51
diploYep crashes at the exact same place13:51
diploRright at the end, so basically I'm screwed :)13:52
diploSpent a few hours on this already, be quicker / cheaper to go to site I think13:52
einonmthere's always something like kdump you could use, if possible13:54
diploWill look into that thanks, will leave the boss an email and let him decide wha tto do13:59
diplothanks very much for your input13:59
einonmno probs14:01
dubac0_Hi i need to transfer files via email, they are classified, how to use gpg/pgp to encrypt the email - i have made a key its the publishing of the key i am finding hard14:31
einonmdubac0_: pgp -a --export <your email> > mykey.asc14:33
einonm...actually that should be 'gpg' not 'pgp' sorry14:35
einonmbased on the other person using your key to encrypt the file, and sending the encrypted file to you. mykey.asc is the public part of the key14:36
dubac0_that just gives the file14:38
dubac0_i want to publish it to a remote server14:38
einonmTry gpg --send-keys <KeyID> --keyserver <keyserver>14:43
* Mez huggles Daviey14:46
dubac0_just with the pubkey ' gpg --send-keys keyid123 --keyserver ftp://keyserversareus.com'14:52
dubac0_Something like that?14:52
dubac0_@einonm14:52
dubac0_@ iahmad  to publish the pub key to a server should i type this:  'gpg --send-keys keyid123 --keyserver ftp://keyserversareus.com'14:54
einonmlooks about right, where the keyID is an 8 digit hex as shown in gpg --list-secret-keys14:54
dubac0_so 2048R/365F87514:55
dubac0_thats not a real one14:55
einonmno, just the last 8 after the / the first set of chars just identifies the algo used14:56
dubac0_so 365F87514:56
einonmyup14:56
dubac0_'gpg --send-keys 365F875 --keyserver ftp://keyserversareus.com'14:57
dubac0_I am so new but this is really important so need to check14:58
popeywb Daviey14:58
dubac0_what's ubuntu's keyserver ip? popey14:59
dubac0_ip address*14:59
popeyno idea, dig/nslookup would know I'm sure14:59
dubac0_popey, so can i use 91.189.89.49 (ubuntu's ipaddress to publish the key?15:01
popeyi have no idea15:02
dubac0_really? did you poke them in the eyes to blind them? **chuckles... no eye deer**15:03
einonmdubac0_: Try this: gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <keyID>15:05
dubac0_that uses dns doesnt it?15:05
einonmkeyID at end, not middle15:05
einonmit will do15:05
dubac0_so how to avoid dns use for this?15:06
dubac0_ie how to avoid dns spoofing15:06
einonmuse the IP, perhaps - but I'm not sure if that URL redirects at all. And wear a foil hat?15:07
BigRedSstick the right ip in /etc/hosts15:07
popeysurely if you've just used dig/nslookup to resolve keyserver.ubuntu.com to 91.189.89.49 this is moot?15:08
dubac0_moot?15:08
einonmgood point.15:08
popeyyes, moot.15:08
BigRedSyeah, obviously you use a more reliable means of getting the IP address15:08
dubac0_popey, does not compute, define moot15:08
popeyi.e. how did you get the ip for keyserver.ubuntu.com15:08
bashrcWhen is Ubuntu D-day?  Must be some time this month.15:08
popeytoday15:08
BigRedSbut I'd have expected ssl-style host authentication15:09
bashrctoday?15:09
popeyyes, today15:09
bashrcwow, that's quicker than I was expecting15:09
einonmdubac0_: Do you really care if you send your public key to the wrong place?15:09
dubac0_good point15:09
einonmand the redirect thing I mentioned is codswallop - I guess it's not HTTP so doesn't redirect15:11
einonmso publish and be dammed15:11
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isleofmandanToday is 12.10 release day?  I'm not seeing anywhere to download it....15:25
d0odisleofmandan: It is release day, yes. It's not "officially" out yet15:25
isleofmandanThanks. Was hoping to do a clean install on my laptop to take to our release party15:26
bashrclast time there was some humourous "is it out?" "it is not out"15:26
isleofmandanIt'll have to be Beta 2 instead if they don't hurry up :)15:26
diplo!party15:26
lubotu3Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Quantal release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/15:26
diplo:)15:26
diplo!isitoutyet15:26
lubotu3Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party15:26
isleofmandanThanks diplo15:27
diplobashrc / isleofmandan15:27
diplo:)15:27
diploI'm running the betas, perfectly fine15:27
isleofmandanThat's good to know. I know there will be 2 people visiting tonight who are *thinking* of ditching Windows for Ubuntu. I'd hate to show them a buggy mess!15:28
popey12.04 is still well supported15:28
popeyand will be supported longer than 12.1015:28
diploFor me I found clean install better than upgrade though15:28
diplopopey: Are/will all these improvements on .10 go back into 04 ?15:29
isleofmandanIndeed. No problems with 12.04, but tonight's trip to the pub was to celebrate someting new :)15:29
isleofmandanI'm running 12.10 here now, upgraded from 12.04.  A few crashes along the way, but that always happens when I upgrade early.15:30
isleofmandanSeeing as how there's nothing to download yet, I'm off to take the dogs out. There appears to be a small gap in the Isle of Man's torrential rain too. Bonus!15:32
isleofmandanBye for now15:32
bigcalmIs 1204 out yet?15:35
JamesTaitbigcalm: Only for about 6 months. ;)15:36
popeydiplo, not all, some15:37
popeysome already have15:37
davmor2bigcalm: no 12.04 isn't out however 12.04.1 is :P15:37
bigcalmIs it 2012 yet?15:56
MartijnVdSdavmor2: 12.04 is ALSO out ;) it's just obsolete already ;)15:58
shaunoI'm still on lucid :/15:59
zleap12.04 is lts release15:59
zleapso if you want to get the newest 12.04 you need 12.04.116:00
davmor2zleap: 12.04.1 is the default iso for 12.04 now16:03
MartijnVdSzleap: or get 12.04 and upgrade :)16:04
directhe`mgdm, check the last 2 tweets by @nickgriffinmep16:25
MartijnVdSwut16:26
mgdmOh, it's him16:26
MartijnVdSyou still have people like that in the UK!?16:26
directhe`we elect them!16:27
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ16:27
MartijnVdSdirecthe`: your x fell off btw16:27
directhe`because rah rah rah europe rah rah rah bulldogs rah rah british beef rah16:27
SuperMattright, who here is pubbing?16:27
AlanBellugh /o\16:27
d0odI feel like I need to wash myself clean after looking at his feed16:27
MartijnVdSdirecthe`: We just get the "rah rah muslims rah rah poor elderly rah rah" types16:27
SuperMattI'm going to aim for 6.3016:27
MartijnVdSdirecthe`: https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv + google Translate16:28
directhe`so how many of nick's 14000 skinhead followers will use the home addresses of "bullying 'gay' activists" for good?16:28
MartijnVdSnot too many, I'd guess16:29
popeywhat a horrible man16:29
MartijnVdSwouldn't he be (partially) liable though? he knows what kind of people follow him..16:29
directhe`MartijnVdS, he's 100% liable.16:29
directhe`under criminal justice & immigration act 200816:29
d0od"British Justice team" - o_016:30
AlanBellincitement to riot16:30
mgdmI'd have thought based on recent events we could arrest the cockwomble just for what he said16:30
popeyheh16:30
AlanBellword of the week award goes to mgdm16:31
mgdmsadly it's not mine, originally16:31
popey+116:31
popeyi do hope the local plod are aware16:32
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dogmatic69anyone into these 3D printers?17:37
dogmatic69thinking of getting one17:37
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popeydogmatic69, i have some friends who are passionate about them17:40
popeyme less so :)17:40
dogmatic69It just seems like the CAD side of it is ridiculous. My brain has a spasm every time I open FreeCAD or similar.17:43
davmor2dogmatic69: have you had a look at gcad3d iirc it was voted highest but that was a while ago http://www.gcad3d.org/17:48
dogmatic69ta, trying that now17:49
davmor2dogmatic69: failing that I believe you can use blender for 3d printer but then you need a master degree in quantum physics and astrology to navigate it :D17:51
dogmatic69gcad3d seems to be simlar to autocad17:52
davmor2astronomy even17:52
davmor2dogmatic69: yeap that's why it got such high marks I believe17:52
davmor2dogmatic69: was that the kinda thing you were after?17:55
ali1234dogmatic69: you need volumetric geometry for CAD. polygons won't really do.18:42
ali1234that usually means CSG18:43
ali1234nurbs and so on18:43
hikari_con18:50
ali1234you know something occurred to me the other day. if you can have boxing matches, why can't you make it a team sport and just have international brawling? i think this would solve a lot of the world's problems.18:57
davmor2ali1234: It's called WAR, what is it good for hu-ar18:59
ali1234not really. that's like saying boxing is the same thing as getting killed by muggers19:00
davmor2ali1234: if you got in the ring with a boxer it would be :P19:01
ali1234yes but i wouldn't, that's the point19:01
ali1234anyway, it's not a serious suggestion... or is it19:02
stuphi12.10 One machine down, two to go!19:11
MartijnVdSbut.. if it's down.. that's not good19:11
MartijnVdSis it19:11
stuphi:-)19:11
stuphiNot that sort of down, or I would not be here.19:12
MartijnVdScools!19:15
MartijnVdShttp://chrome.blogspot.nl/2012/10/the-new-chromebook-for-everyone.html19:15
MartijnVdSI might just buy one, just to see19:16
MartijnVdShmm19:17
MartijnVdSneed a UK address19:17
MartijnVdSpopey: Are you here? :)19:17
MartijnVdSAlanBell: or you? :)19:19
MartijnVdSchristel: or you? :)19:19
ali1234i bet azelphur would ship you one if you pay him in bitcoins :P19:20
MartijnVdSali1234: I have 0.0000001 bitcoins19:20
MartijnVdSali1234: or something like that :)19:20
ali1234shocking19:21
popeyyes MartijnVdS19:21
MartijnVdSpopey: Are you willing to play mail/package relay? :)19:21
popeysure19:21
popeyI'm away for 2 weeks as of Sunday tho19:21
MartijnVdShmm19:22
MartijnVdSoh UDS + Canonical stuff?19:22
popeyya19:22
MartijnVdShmm19:22
popeyAlanBell & christel are in a pub in london right now19:23
MartijnVdSpopey: I'll ask them tomorrow then :)19:23
popeywhats the uk address for?19:23
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/samsung-series-3-xe303c12-wifi-chromebook-silver-19273050-pdt.html19:23
MartijnVdSpopey: they don't ship to .nl19:23
popeyone mo19:24
popeythey only do home delivery, no in-store :(19:24
MartijnVdSthere's no rush19:25
MartijnVdSit's just another toy to me :)19:25
popeyhang on MartijnVdS is that arm based?19:34
ali1234looks like it19:35
popeyinteresting19:35
ali1234do chromebooks use UEFI?19:36
ali1234i know they have a physical switch to unlock the bootloader19:36
ali1234and i know that basically just disables the signature check19:36
ali1234it would be interesting to know that there's UEFI hardware out there that is completely clean of MS keys19:37
ali1234but i suspect google made their own19:37
MartijnVdSali1234: these are arm19:40
MartijnVdSI don't think many ARMs do UEFI19:40
MyrttiI really dislike the "avoid the headache of Windows 8" quip19:43
MartijnVdSMyrtti: it does make clear what they're betting on19:43
Myrttiall it makes clear that it's not trying to excel on being better but putting Windows 8 down. And things aren't straightforward enough to promise that everyone can have smoother experience than Windows.19:44
Myrttisure, majority perhaps, but still19:45
MartijnVdSWindows 8 is known19:45
MartijnVdSand people expect it to be Vista-ish19:45
MartijnVdSAt least, the people I've heard about it weren't very positive19:46
MartijnVdSso anything to get market share... I would love to see an evenly divided market :)19:46
MartijnVdSUbuntu/Mac/Windows/Chrome19:46
andylockranhey all19:49
MartijnVdS\o andylockran19:49
andylockranJust got sky fibre installed; very happy with it 40Mb/2Mb19:49
andylockranhowever, having issues trying to set my ubuntu machine as the dmz19:50
stuphiOops. Think I may have done something stupid.19:52
andylockranin toehr news; any ideas around this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/99864919:52
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 998649 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "package mythbuntu-default-settings (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/skel/.xscreensaver', which is also in package xubuntu-default-settings 12.04.11" [Medium,Confirmed]19:52
stuphiStarted  do-release-upgrade from Gnome terminal. Now Unity has gone.19:53
MartijnVdSstuphi: Some haters^Wpeople would call that a feature :)19:55
stuphiI did think that, but no WM at all, is like going outside without trousers19:56
stuphiI feel naked!19:56
MartijnVdSok that's just a bad image19:57
* andylockran now has ubuntu working in the bathroom :)19:57
stuphiSorry about that.19:57
MartijnVdSandylockran: speaking of "without trousers" you mean? :)19:58
stuphiandylockran: why?19:58
andylockranReally really chuffed19:58
andylockrangot a control4 system setup at home; put my ubuntu box plugged into it too19:58
MartijnVdSandylockran: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=1998060319:58
MartijnVdS14 years old.. wow19:58
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andylockranmythbuntu or xbmc for casual use of a pvr thingy?20:09
MartijnVdSxbmc20:09
MartijnVdSI don't know if xbmc does recording"?20:10
andylockranI'm using get-iplayer to download the programmes20:11
MartijnVdSxbmc then :)20:11
popey+120:12
popeyi use xbmc as a frontend for stuff i obtained elsewhere20:13
MartijnVdSlike the U1MS20:13
stuphiI thought XBMC were starting to include PVR now.20:20
czajkowskievening folks20:26
stuphiSecond machine just completed update to 12.10 Just need to reboot....20:27
MartijnVdS\o czajkowski20:27
mgdm'lo czajkowski20:27
andylockranheya czajkowski20:28
stuphiNow for the hardest part of an Ubuntu update. Choosing a new wallpaper.20:28
mgdmhehe20:28
MartijnVdSstuphi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-7215762916789462720:28
bigcalmTaking the plung and upgrading my laptop. Can't risk my work station just yet20:30
andylockranI do love the ubuntu upgrades20:31
andylockranthey're so seamless in comparison to CentOS20:31
stuphiMartijnVdS: I don't need more choice. I like to pick one of the standard supplied images, and keep it for six months.20:31
stuphiI also need to change the wallpaper so that I can see that the machine has been updated. May not notice the difference otherwise. :-)20:34
czajkowskipopey: know how is behind http://www.youtube.com/user/celebrateubuntu  account ?20:40
popeyyes, comms team20:40
popeywhy?20:40
czajkowskimy new favourite video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUTNxi6b-hw&feature=youtu.be20:41
czajkowskiand alo is in it :)20:41
popeyhe left :(20:42
czajkowskioh20:42
czajkowskiwonder why it had been so quiet20:42
czajkowskishowed it this evening at the talk20:42
czajkowskilotta folks going oooooh nice now I understand20:43
czajkowskiso hard to get things from a blog post20:43
Myrttioh man20:47
MyrttiI think my compiz just crashed mid-upgrade, taking the upgrade programme with it20:47
MartijnVdSMyrtti: stuphi had the same issue20:48
Myrttijudging from htop something is still running20:49
Myrttidpkg, dpkg-deb and such20:50
popeytail the upgrade log?20:50
popeyso you know what its doing20:50
czajkowskioh deja vu of my upgade day with BigRedS and Laney and things going horribly wrong20:51
Myrttipopey: where's that?20:52
popey /var/log20:52
popeylook for most recently written file20:52
popeydpkg.log perhaps20:53
* czajkowski goes off to tickle ken20:54
bigcalmHave I made a mistake upgrading my laptop on release day?20:54
czajkowskimaybe I need to bribe him20:54
Myrttiwell it's still installing20:54
MyrttiI wonder what happens when it wants me to answer a question20:54
MyrttiNetflix on Nexus 7 while upgrade is going on ♥20:55
popeykill it, restart it, it will ask the same question20:59
popeymy nexus 7's have been shipped!20:59
popey\o/20:59
MartijnVdSmultiple?20:59
MartijnVdSChristmas tree tablets? :)20:59
andylockrancan anyone help me with setting vdpau on my acer revo for mythtv playback of HD?20:59
MartijnVdSandylockran: vdpau? not libva?21:00
popey221:00
MartijnVdS(there's a libva-vdpau, but most things seem to use libva these days.. yay)21:00
andylockranOct 18 22:01:24 media mythfrontend[3350]: E CoreContext mythrender_vdpau.cpp:603 (CreateOutputSurface) VDPAU: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp:603 (#25, A catch-all error, used when no other error code applies.)21:02
andylockranMartijnVdS: any clue?21:02
popeymythtv uses mplayer doesnt it?21:02
MartijnVdSandylockran: shouldn't vdpau "just work" if you use the nvidia naughty driver?21:02
andylockranMartijnVdS: I don't know21:02
popeyhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/63682/how-do-i-configure-mplayer-to-always-use-vdpau21:02
andylockranta popey21:03
popeynp21:03
andylockranpopey: does that apply to mythtv?21:03
popeymyth uses mplayer AIUI21:03
popeyso yes21:03
andylockranexcellent, will try that now21:03
popeyworked for me IIRC21:04
MartijnVdShmm21:04
MartijnVdS3 more nights to book for next year's week in cornwall21:04
directhexnick griffin's twitter account suspended.21:04
andylockranpopey: would it require a mythtv restart?21:05
MartijnVdSandylockran: likely21:05
popeyhaha directhex excellent21:07
christel4/721:07
popeyyes christel21:07
christeloops21:08
andylockranah, mplayer isn't installed :p21:09
czajkowskichristel: how's the little man ?21:12
andylockrangah, this is frustrating21:18
andylockranno idea why it's not working; and have a 'catch all' error code :(21:19
bigcalmWell this is weird. Since upgrading, my screen res is wrong but I can't see where to correct it21:27
czajkowskibigcalm: pressed super key and typed resoltion, display comes up21:30
bigcalmczajkowski: Unity isn't working for me :) xubuntu-desktop is though21:31
bigcalmAh, finally found where to change the res. Doesn't list what my laptop can do21:31
czajkowskino idea so21:31
bigcalmI wonder if restricted extras was removed21:31
czajkowskifolks in #xubuntu might :)21:31
stuphibigcalm: xorg.conf Those were the good old days :-)21:32
zleapi am sure they get disabled when you upgrade, adn you need to re-enable them in software sources21:32
Myrttiwoot21:37
MyrttiI got Unity back, it's upgraded while the rest of the system is still doing it21:37
MyrttiI wonder where the messaging indicator has vanished21:53
bigcalmOh, and my laptop's fan is now at 100% all the time21:57
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MartijnVdShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c8ZSps-2sM822:08
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