[00:05] hi === IdleOne is now known as RaringOne [06:17] good morning everyone [06:20] MORNING [06:20] oops, my bad [06:20] wel .. we are up now ! [06:20] :p [06:24] morning ringtails [06:25] * jussi fires AlanBell [06:26] hey popey ! [06:26] mornin AlanBell [06:27] morning [06:27] enjoying your nexus 7 AlanBell :) ? [06:27] 32gb version comes out on 18th nov apparently [06:30] * knightwise has the 8 gig [06:30] i consider it one of my external organs [06:31] since I always have it with me [06:31] yes, it is nice [06:31] popey: does the 32 gig come with 3G ? [06:31] AlanBell: did you do the latest OS upgrade ? [06:31] dunno [06:31] * knightwise stares fondly at the landschape mode lockscreen [06:32] so will there be a rooting and flashing party at UDS? [06:32] i think so [06:32] ooh that sounds a bit wrong [06:32] a Raring one [06:33] http://mashable.com/2012/09/03/google-nexus-7-3g-rumor/ [06:34] does anybody know if 12.04 can read and write to Exfat ? [06:34] I want to create a shared partition on my dualboot OSX-12.04 macbook air [06:34] and I would love something that could handle big files and be readable and writable for both systems [06:40] fat32? [06:43] but is the file limit there 4 gig or 2 gig ? [06:44] don't thnk so, wikipedia has a big table [06:44] sorry, making breakfast [06:45] 4 [06:45] i stand corrected [06:48] hmm .. should be big enough [06:49] the only thing that would make it incompable would be when I would be using vms [06:50] i assume exfat isn't supported yet, might be tho [06:50] there is a fuse package i mean to remember [07:04] Morning all [07:04] hey diplo [07:15] I only tend to hit 4GB for movies. vmware has an option to create vmdk split into 2GB chunks, and virtualbox sort of can with a workaround [07:17] shauno: might be a good idea [07:18] the only reason I would need to park a VM on it is for tutorials [07:18] last I tried virtualbox won't create split disks, but has no problems using the chunked vmdk vmware created [07:21] hmm. ok , but i think a 4 gig install just to "show' something is managable [07:25] popey: did you manage to listen to the interview ? [07:33] not all of it [07:45] Just ordered some new bits to upgrade wifey's desktop PC. I went for the new core i3 3225 (has the HD4000 GPU!). [07:45] http://www.ebuyer.com/393556-intel-core-i3-3225-3-30ghz-skt1155-3mb-cache-boxed-bx80637i33225 [07:45] Kids have the 3125 and that is working very nicely so this should be better! [07:47] meant the 2125, not 3125 === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:25] 30ghz seems like a lot [08:30] is this our current [12.10] mascot - the quetzal bird ? http://www.mayanmajix.com/quetzal.html [08:30] where can I change the layout of my workspaces in Unity2D? [08:31] Myrtti: in ccsm [08:31] I want the four to be on the same row and wrap around like in the cube, not two aside in two rows [08:31] AlanBell: in Unity2D? [08:31] general options, desktop size [08:31] ooh, unity 2d [08:31] errr, no clue, sorry [08:32] I know how to get it in the normal Unity, but I was hoping the graphical glitches would go away if I use Unity2D [08:32] grid of workspaces doesn't work for me either, I prefer linear horizontal or vertical like in Gnome Shell [08:33] good luck today guys! [08:34] Myrtti, http://askubuntu.com/questions/52396/how-can-i-make-the-workspace-switcher-in-unity-2d-show-more-than-one-row-of-work [08:35] funny thing is I appear to be able to screenshot the glitch [08:35] popey: I was just about to google for it when Chromium glitched, I got a screenshot, and it crashed [08:36] !isitoutyet [08:36] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [08:36] is it release day alreday? [08:36] Good morning all! :-D [08:36] it is [08:38] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail lots of people coming to the party later [08:38] Is something important happening today? :-P [08:39] I've just added my girlfriend as +1 [08:39] I'm looking forward to it [08:39] are you bringing the free CDs, AlanBell ? [08:40] yeah, 90 years since the BBC was founded [08:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LCKBdjywQ < wow, ghostbusters gangnam style [08:44] popey: that actually doesn't help at all - I managed to change the workspaces to a layout I want but none of the methods for changing from one to another reflect that change [08:45] SuperMatt, the CDs aren't pressed yet [08:45] :( [08:46] awww :( [08:46] oh well, I'll order one [08:47] do I have to go using XFCE4 now? awww [08:51] morning [08:52] * Myrtti raises hand in a slight wave of panic [08:53] can I not read my synchronized tomboy notes from Ubuntu One website anymore? [08:53] yeah, the web ui went some while back [08:54] oh dear god [08:54] http://u1.to/notes/ phew [08:56] almost got a heart attack [08:57] eh? [09:01] aloha [09:02] if you love something rsync it to several hosts :) [09:03] I've got some of the less important passwords on Tomboy and needed one [09:05] sister seems to be happy with XFCE4 [09:06] in the end I didn't install the whole Xubuntu stuff because she'll use the apps she used in Ubuntu 10.04 anyway [09:06] jacobw: sure, if all the machines are on at the same time [09:07] if you love something, sign up for every cloud service under the sun and have them all sync each other [09:17] good morning everyone, [09:17] hey brobostigon [09:18] hey knightwise [09:20] A member of our LUG is so despondent about Unity, that he has been looking at lots of other distros. Last night I showed him my laptop running 12.04 and xubuntu-desktop. He liked it so much that he's coming back to Ubuntu [09:21] Why do people think that a DE is the be-all end-all of a distro? It's depressing when people change their whole distro when the UI changes [09:21] people are funny [09:23] Morning people. [09:23] long time no see [09:23] or speak even. [09:24] hello [09:24] * bigcalm is always watching - always [09:26] bigcalm is big brother [09:27] * knightwise wonders if bigcalm has binders full of women [09:28] How is everyone? [09:30] so it appears I get Netflix free for the rest of the year because I pay for Spotify [09:30] nice. Thanks Netflix Nordic ♥ [09:31] AlanBell, where did you get your nexus 7? [09:33] bigcalm: i've explained it many times. if you want to use gnome, fedora puts a lot more effort into polishing it than ubuntu does. if you want KDE, opensuse is a million times better than kubuntu [09:35] I'd go mageia for kde these days [09:35] unfortunately nobody really puts any effort into xfce, and it shows [09:35] and by effort i mean money [09:38] oops, i appear to have bought a nexus 7 [09:38] lol popey :) 16 or 8 gig ? [09:38] popey: accidental entering of CC and clicking a few things? [09:39] popey: PC world guildford [09:39] I went in to get a bluetooth sound receive and accidentally the nexus [09:39] oh, is anyone going to be at the party before 7 today? [09:40] SuperMatt: I might be [09:40] 16 [09:40] * popey bought two :S [09:40] I can't buy one of anything [09:41] AlanBell: what time? [09:41] dunno really, but I am in Canary Wharf area [09:46] fair enough [09:47] well when you decide to go over there, prod me cos I'm none too far away myself [09:50] oh gods I hate printers [09:50] who doesn't? [09:51] /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed [09:51] how would you scp a file that requires root privalages from remote machine A to local machine B, when you can only scp from machine B? [09:51] :-( [09:51] like root to read [09:52] gord: can you ssh, or just scp? [09:53] i can ssh [09:54] so, you can copy it on machine A to somewhere and change permissions so your scp user can read it [09:54] good point [09:54] SCPASROOT [09:54] problem solved [09:54] !root [09:54] Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [09:55] bollox [09:55] * jacobw sets the root password too [09:55] * AlanBell does not [09:55] i use root [09:55] tho i disallow root ssh logins :P [09:59] Keys \o/ [10:12] happy releasings day! [10:13] what are people using to keep track of the IP's of machine's on their LAN's? hosts files or something more DNS-y? [10:14] danfish: if there are a lot of machines, then DNS in the router [10:19] mine just seems to work by magic [10:19] the router's running dd-wrt so DNS should be easy set up. [10:19] magic \o/ [10:19] yeah, mine is dd-wrt [10:19] local DNS on my router doesn't work [10:19] host.local seems to just work [10:20] * danfish suspects voodoo ;) [10:23] just logged into my router for the first time in yonks...needs a little housekeeping :( [10:30] Morning all [10:32] anyone else upset that 13.04 isn't going to be called radiant robin? :( [10:33] * popey wanted Rolling Rabbit [10:33] popey: rancid rat didn't get picked I'm really upset ;) [10:35] I think Randy Rabbit was also taken... [10:35] haha [10:35] randy rabbit [10:37] I really wanted EEEEEEEE KEVIN [10:38] DJones: or rampant rabbit? [10:39] err [10:39] meant to be for danfish [10:39] * Seeker` kicks his tab key [10:41] davmor2: I convinced Amo to come back to Ubuntu by showing him xubuntu-desktop [10:41] davmor2: he blames you for hiding it from him [10:42] bigcalm: I told him about it repeatedly and showed him pictures the lying git [10:42] :D [10:42] Pictures are one thing, using it yourself is another [10:43] Even Chris was surprised by how it's come along [10:45] !isitoutyet [10:45] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [10:45] Boo [10:46] bigcalm: Don't make me come over there and slap you into the middle of december :D [10:46] :P [10:47] by the way HAPPY RELEASE DAY EVERYONE [10:49] AlanBell: I spy you on latitude around the corner from J [10:50] :) [10:50] stalker! [10:50] * AlanBell goes to stalk czajkowski [10:50] AlanBell, how do you mount the camera? upside down? [10:50] doesnt the picture come out the wrong way up? [10:51] there are clicky flicky buttons in the gui to fix that [10:51] ahh [10:51] Easy enough to flip it [10:51] hmm I need to find the page with what's new in 12.10 [10:51] click both for upside down [10:51] and write a talk all by 4pm today as then I've a call, dinner and then drive to talk then give talk [10:52] so didnt think this one through [10:52] Wing it ;) [10:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes [10:52] Talk about rugby [10:52] bigcalm: there is always that :) [10:52] it's in Limerick after all :D [10:53] popey: thanks [11:00] anyone know any 'network theory' crashcourse type things? (I have to write a training that goes all the way up the stack from ARP resolution to smtp/http/dns specifics. I'm losing my mind) [11:00] shauno: CCENT? [11:00] Or CCNA even [11:00] network+ ? [11:01] LUNCH! [11:03] okay, now I'm more concerned that that is actually the scope of what I'm being asked to deliver via powerpoint. This may require a rethink [11:03] Raring Ringtail o;: [11:03] http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7nEK4n9QRiwAI.dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1cGU4amhhBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDA5OV8xNTU-/SIG=13207qa6l/EXP=1350587018/**http%3a//news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-13-04-a-k-a-Raring-Ringtail-300211.shtml [11:09] popey: you going to release party later on? [11:09] no [11:09] Fab and Chris from H-online are going [11:09] awww [11:09] can't justify it given I'll be away for 2 weeks [11:09] oh yes indeed [11:09] somone knows when .iso is uploaded? [11:09] bigcalm: later on [11:09] we don't usually have sprint+UDS the week immediately after release [11:10] bittin^work: later on [11:10] popey: release is also very early as well [11:10] :/ [11:10] !party [11:10] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Quantal release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/ [11:10] ah hope iam able to update my PC when i get home from work [11:10] update it now :) [11:10] my box at home is turned off and Ubuntu is borked :( [11:10] so thinking of reinstalling it really [11:10] ah [11:11] installed some kernel from a PPA that screwed up Wubi whoops :p [11:11] can you not make a replacement popey out of straw? [11:11] don't even remember what i got on the Ubuntu side of things [11:11] and then put him on the bonfire? [11:11] no wait thats next month [11:11] :) [11:12] gord: lets not burn the man shall we [11:12] he's useful! [11:12] but my Windows 7 is mostly a bootloader for Battlefield 3 anyways :p [11:12] gord: TEA BAGs - your final reminder [11:12] got a GTX 660 from work yesterday so now i can play it at ultra [11:12] noted, i'll make a google callender alarm to remind me to remind you to bring me some teabags [11:12] with around 50-70 FPS [11:12] I am not bringing tea bags mister [11:13] shall have flown from .ie and not unpacking when I'm in the UK for less than 24hrs [11:13] *48hs [11:13] i has le tickets to UK but nowhere to stay, not sure if i will go or not :p [11:13] but they are for 2-5th December so have time to think still [11:14] ah yes, the dead of winter, the best time to enjoy the cold miserable english weather [11:14] was about to meet a friend, but plans changed, and my other friend was away in .ie [11:15] and think iam to lazy to get a new passport and find a hotel so think i might ditch it [11:59] hello. [11:59] hi [12:03] popey: I see czajkowski is trying to get you to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1067803 then [12:03] Ubuntu bug 1067803 in unity (Ubuntu) "email notifier no longer changes colour when new mail arrives" [Undecided,New] [12:03] popey: at least I'm assuming that is why czajkowski is being nice to you ;) [12:04] oi I'm always nice to popey he makes things work [12:07] czajkowski: so your are annoying him to fix that issue then :D [12:10] nope :s [12:10] it's not gonna get fixed today and folks are busy [12:11] czajkowski: no really, it's almost as if it is release day or something [12:11] * Dave2 should really figure out why he can no longer use his sound card with pulseaudio [12:11] I;m just waiting on someone looking for a build increase today :) [12:12] It just...stopped at some point during 12.04. (It also coincides with pulseaudio not automatically starting.) But I'm willing to bet that it probably has something to do with being a 4 year old install. [12:13] Dave2: if pulseaudio isn't starting then that might be why too :D [12:14] I can start pulseaudio manually, that gives me the option for S/PDIF output on my main soundcard, or other outputs on my old one [12:14] (I also get some messages about how there are too many channels and it can't handle it, but hardly anyone else seems to have this issue so I have no idea.) [12:15] The Quetzal bird of Central America ( Ket-zal) and the rattle snake shared the position of most reviered creatures by the ancient Maya. The feathers of the irradencent Quetzal were used in Royal costume and ceremonial garb for kings and priests. The Quetzal symboloized the movement of Creation and the will of the Creator come to earth. As the Serpent moves side to side on the ground, the Quetzal flaps and gl [12:15] ides through the jungle. That is it moves up and down in it progression. The Maya knew that Creation moves from Day to Night or Creation to Destruction in a wave like pattern. [12:15] http://www.mayanmajix.com/lab_F1.html [12:20] Searching for the error message "That's too much! I can't handle that!" appears to have a mixture of pulseaudio errors and, er, fan fiction. [12:23] anyone know how to hide empty folders when doing a folder comparison in meld? [12:25] yay i can crash google chrome at will :) [12:27] Dave2: haven't read the rest but my sound doesn't work on 12.10 [12:27] Was 10.10 previously, ICH7 Intel card [12:28] Module loaded for it, but only dummy output showing [12:28] Was going to harass the channel this evening [12:28] diplo: I have a Xonar D2X, so completely different module. I'm now reading package changelogs to try to figure out what broke it. [12:29] diplo: try using ALSA output directly, see if that works [12:29] (e.g. configure VLC to use ALSA and your sound card) [12:29] Will do that tonight [12:32] <_serial_> hi all, you guys are probs sick of people asking but does any one have a clue when 12.10 is getting released? daily builds are still on the 17/10 :( [12:33] _serial_: join #ubuntu-release-party to find out [12:33] <_serial_> thank you AlanBell :) [12:33] later [12:33] Mark Shuttleworth and the release manager Kate Stuart are there and will announce it when they announce it [12:35] <_serial_> I didnt know that :) [12:36] * daubers will update this evening [12:41] !isitoutyet [12:41] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party === IdleOne is now known as raringOne === raringOne is now known as RaringOne [13:17] Anyone good with strace output ? [13:18] If in the file there is something saying unlink by the time it's gone on to the next line and = 0 should that action have been completed ? [13:18] diplo: depends if unlink is async or not, I suppose. = 0 is the return value [13:20] also unlink only deletes the file if no other processes has it open [13:20] yeah it is useradd, opens passwd, reads it and makes a passwd.lock and then unlinks it after [13:21] Except the lock file is not going then the server crashes, I was thinking that if it was succesful the lock should disappear [13:21] But maybe not [13:21] depends where the crash happens in that sequence [13:22] Right at the end, says it was succesful in create /home/ but the dir hasn't been created, the entries to passwd/group have been made [13:22] and /var/spool/mail/ has been created [13:23] I'm trying to find the cause of the crash but failing miserably [13:23] the changes may not be written to disk by the time the crash occurs, so could be lost - is the crash a kernel panic? [13:24] I believe so, on a remote site many miles away. Trying to get a definite answer is causing me a headache [13:24] :) [13:24] :/ got any trace? [13:25] Only trace I've got is of running the useradd program ( this isn't ubuntu mind you ) that's why I am trying to being general :) [13:25] Centos, but they suck and I just want ideas to point me in the right direction [13:25] Nothing shows up in any logs [13:26] An oops message would be most helpful [13:26] I've created a vm locally and can't replicate and the strace finishes just before exit_group(0) on the broken server [13:27] then the server crashes [13:27] hmmmm I can seem to find my menu options when I max LO out [13:27] I think with no logs and no kernel oops, you're a bit sharfted [13:27] need to change my header/footer [13:27] gah [13:28] One thing though, useradd from the GUI works fine ( don't ask me why they have a gui ) [13:28] I'm guessing it uses it's own program [13:28] are you using strace with the -f option? [13:28] Nope [13:28] * diplo looks [13:29] I'll add that and crash again now :) [13:29] Try that. Gives the strace of any child processes [13:32] Well it's crashed, tried outputting to a file this time, a few mins and hopefully it'll be back up either by a phone call or on it's own [13:33] a local file, or remote? You may find it's not there if it's a local file... [13:34] if the crash occurs and there's still data cached and waiting to get written to disk [13:34] I thought about that after hitting enter, did it to screen last time [13:34] HGave to wait for now [13:35] no worries :) [13:37] I hate working like this :( [13:46] diplo: welcome to my world :) [13:46] popey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19760006 [13:46] heh, I do a fair bit of it, but I prefer to replicate locally but the company I work for suck at giving you the tools you need :( [13:47] :) [13:47] Came back up, but the strace finished earlier than the last one [13:49] sounds like you need to store the trace in a file that has O_DIRECT / O_SYNC so there's no buffering [13:50] ..may be a bit tricky... [13:50] do it over ssh, so it's always piped out of the machine first? [13:51] yeah I am, think I'll just do it screen again this time [13:51] then you're at the mercy of any caching in the network code...it may give you more though [13:51] Yep crashes at the exact same place [13:52] Rright at the end, so basically I'm screwed :) [13:52] Spent a few hours on this already, be quicker / cheaper to go to site I think [13:54] there's always something like kdump you could use, if possible [13:59] Will look into that thanks, will leave the boss an email and let him decide wha tto do [13:59] thanks very much for your input [14:01] no probs [14:31] Hi i need to transfer files via email, they are classified, how to use gpg/pgp to encrypt the email - i have made a key its the publishing of the key i am finding hard [14:33] dubac0_: pgp -a --export > mykey.asc [14:35] ...actually that should be 'gpg' not 'pgp' sorry [14:36] based on the other person using your key to encrypt the file, and sending the encrypted file to you. mykey.asc is the public part of the key [14:38] that just gives the file [14:38] i want to publish it to a remote server [14:43] Try gpg --send-keys --keyserver [14:46] * Mez huggles Daviey [14:52] just with the pubkey ' gpg --send-keys keyid123 --keyserver ftp://keyserversareus.com' [14:52] Something like that? [14:52] @einonm [14:54] @ iahmad to publish the pub key to a server should i type this: 'gpg --send-keys keyid123 --keyserver ftp://keyserversareus.com' [14:54] looks about right, where the keyID is an 8 digit hex as shown in gpg --list-secret-keys [14:55] so 2048R/365F875 [14:55] thats not a real one [14:56] no, just the last 8 after the / the first set of chars just identifies the algo used [14:56] so 365F875 [14:56] yup [14:57] 'gpg --send-keys 365F875 --keyserver ftp://keyserversareus.com' [14:58] I am so new but this is really important so need to check [14:58] wb Daviey [14:59] what's ubuntu's keyserver ip? popey [14:59] ip address* [14:59] no idea, dig/nslookup would know I'm sure [15:01] popey, so can i use 91.189.89.49 (ubuntu's ipaddress to publish the key? [15:02] i have no idea [15:03] really? did you poke them in the eyes to blind them? **chuckles... no eye deer** [15:05] dubac0_: Try this: gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com [15:05] that uses dns doesnt it? [15:05] keyID at end, not middle [15:05] it will do [15:06] so how to avoid dns use for this? [15:06] ie how to avoid dns spoofing [15:07] use the IP, perhaps - but I'm not sure if that URL redirects at all. And wear a foil hat? [15:07] stick the right ip in /etc/hosts [15:08] surely if you've just used dig/nslookup to resolve keyserver.ubuntu.com to 91.189.89.49 this is moot? [15:08] moot? [15:08] good point. [15:08] yes, moot. [15:08] yeah, obviously you use a more reliable means of getting the IP address [15:08] popey, does not compute, define moot [15:08] i.e. how did you get the ip for keyserver.ubuntu.com [15:08] When is Ubuntu D-day? Must be some time this month. [15:08] today [15:09] but I'd have expected ssl-style host authentication [15:09] today? [15:09] yes, today [15:09] wow, that's quicker than I was expecting [15:09] dubac0_: Do you really care if you send your public key to the wrong place? [15:09] good point [15:11] and the redirect thing I mentioned is codswallop - I guess it's not HTTP so doesn't redirect [15:11] so publish and be dammed === Mez_ is now known as Mez [15:25] Today is 12.10 release day? I'm not seeing anywhere to download it.... [15:25] isleofmandan: It is release day, yes. It's not "officially" out yet [15:26] Thanks. Was hoping to do a clean install on my laptop to take to our release party [15:26] last time there was some humourous "is it out?" "it is not out" [15:26] It'll have to be Beta 2 instead if they don't hurry up :) [15:26] !party [15:26] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Quantal release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/ [15:26] :) [15:26] !isitoutyet [15:26] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [15:27] Thanks diplo [15:27]