[05:02] <Digi||Gram> superfly yeah the Android SDK has a bit more effort put into it, the IDE I'm using looks like a one-man show, or a very small group at least
[05:14] <Kilos> morning guys
[05:14] <DigiGram> morning kilos
[05:15] <Kilos> wow DigiGram that android stuff is massive
[05:15] <DigiGram> it is quite large yeah
[05:15] <Kilos> over 1g of data use last night
[05:15] <DigiGram> especially if you want to develop for multiple Android versions, then you need to download bits for EVERY version
[05:16] <DigiGram> I just wish they make a smaller emulator
[05:16] <DigiGram> but technically you can run Android in a VM
[05:16] <Kilos> once it was installed it kept showing , so many packages to install and i kept ticking
[05:16] <DigiGram> but it's still a 700MB download
[05:16] <DigiGram> hehe oh, so you installed everything for development as well
[05:17] <Kilos> lol i thought it would be something simple like mxit or so
[05:17] <Squirm> morning
[05:17] <DigiGram> on windows and mac you can use bluestacks wich is similiar to Wine
[05:17] <Kilos> no there is still more it wants but i was too tired to carry on
[05:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:18] <Kilos> its like downloading a whole ubuntu release and updating
[05:19] <DigiGram> it basicly is Kilos
[05:19] <Kilos> whew
[05:19] <Kilos> i hope there is a man pckage in it
[05:19] <Kilos> package
[05:21] <Kilos> oh i see it has tutorials
[05:21] <Kilos> all i wanted to do was be able to use whatsapp
[05:21] <Kilos> whew
[05:22] <Kilos> oh well at least my nightsurfer wont expire this time
[05:35] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[05:44] <Kilos> whew DigiGram is whatsapp a plugin for that
[05:45] <DigiGram> a plugin for what?
[05:45] <Kilos> that whole eclipse thing is for clever peeps
[05:45] <Kilos> guys the write programs in java and c++ etc
[05:46] <DigiGram> yeah eclipse is quite nice
[05:46] <DigiGram> but I like the more down to earth programming such as Python
[05:46] <Kilos> nice? whew
[05:47] <Kilos> does one just sudo aptitude install whatsapp on it?
[05:47] <Kilos> hehe
[05:47] <Kilos> thats as far as i can go
[05:52] <DigiGram> android doesn't have aptitude
[05:52] <DigiGram> you need to download the .apk file from the whatsapp website and install that in your emulator
[05:53] <Kilos> whew ty i try find it
[05:53] <Kilos> hope its tiny
[05:54] <DigiGram> 5mb about
[05:54] <Kilos> that i can handle ty
[05:54] <Kilos> but no more upgrading for a while
[05:55]  * Squirm yawns
[05:55] <Squirm> problem
[05:56] <Kilos> sup Squirm 
[05:56] <Squirm> when you start whatsapp, you enter in your cellphone number. whatsapp then sends an sms to the number. being a smartphone, it detects and opens said sms automatically, thus allowing the installation of whatsapp
[05:56] <Squirm> how do you intend to do that on an emulator?
[05:57] <Kilos> yes
[05:57] <Kilos> dont want it on cell
[05:57] <DigiGram> Squirm, register your phone number
[05:58] <DigiGram> a dumb-phone without whatsapp will show you the verification code
[05:58] <DigiGram> in stead of auto-loading it into whatsapp
[05:58] <Kilos> ithats all i need right?
[05:58] <DigiGram> or sometimes they ask you if you want the verifiction on another way
[05:59] <DigiGram> I'll try in bluestacks today if I do get the time
[05:59] <Squirm> hmm, ok. I haven't seen it ask for a verification code a different way. also when it's waiting for the sms, it doesn't ask you to input the code manually
[05:59] <DigiGram> but I want to go and have a look at the NWU Solarcar today
[06:19] <nlsthzn> mornign all
[06:19] <nlsthzn> ping superfly 
[06:19] <superfly> nlsthzn: pong
[06:20] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[06:20] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[06:20] <nlsthzn> mornig superfly ... do you perhaps have a log of the converstion that we had last night in #ubuntu-ae? Our channel isn't logged and one of the guys asked for it?
[06:20] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos 
[06:20] <superfly> yup
[06:21] <nlsthzn> thx
[06:21]  * nlsthzn needs to turn on logging or see if it is and see where the logs are :p
[06:22]  * superfly copies some lines of IRC
[06:22] <Kilos> nlsthzn, arent you using xchat
[06:22] <Kilos> you can make it save many lines
[06:23] <nlsthzn> just realized I am in the wrong OS, that is why I can't see anything >.<
[06:23] <Kilos> hehe
[06:24] <Kilos> i do that when ive booted from a different drive or os as well
[06:24] <DigiGram> hehe
[06:26] <nlsthzn> Raring Ringtail... I need to look up raring
[06:27] <superfly> hehe, was thinking the same thing
[06:27] <Kilos> i dropped that whatsapp.apk file into the eclipse thing but cant find any install function anywhere
[06:28] <DigiGram> no Kilos ignore eclipse
[06:28] <DigiGram> open the emulator
[06:29] <Kilos> oh my
[06:30] <Kilos> what do i tell dash to look for
[06:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: another interesting name
[06:30] <inetpro> good morning
[06:31] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[06:31] <DigiGram> in eclipse I think there is a button for the emulator in one of the menus
[06:31] <DigiGram> if yuo have configured it correctly
[06:32] <Kilos> lol i didnt configure anything
[06:32] <nlsthzn> >.< I knew what raring was... I think I was pronouncing it wrong in my head however :p
[06:32] <Kilos> just downloaded and let it install what it wanted
[06:33] <DigiGram> Kilos, maybe this can help http://crashcourse.ca/content/android-emulator-ubuntu-1004-60-seconds
[06:33] <Kilos> ty i go see
[06:37] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I wonder what he named it after, is it a bird?
[06:38] <nlsthzn> inetpro, I was thinking something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Squaw-ringtail-28073.jpg/220px-Squaw-ringtail-28073.jpg
[06:38] <nlsthzn> I know in afr of a ringnek... not sure about tail however :D
[06:47] <nlsthzn> :'( 12.10 looks uber slick...
[06:48] <nlsthzn> must resist...
[07:01] <inetpro> nlsthzn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuOenWJbiPQ 
[07:02] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:02] <DigiGram> morning magespawn 
[07:06] <magespawn> hey DigiGram
[07:06] <magespawn> Morning Kilos
[07:06] <Kilos> Morning magespawn 
[07:07] <magespawn> got this error this morning "error: ELF header smaller than expected."
[07:07] <Kilos> you didnt say if its just the battery that determines how long a ups keeps you going
[07:07] <magespawn> grub rescue>
[07:07] <Kilos> oh my
[07:07] <Kilos> boot-repair
[07:07] <magespawn> i also lost power last night Kilos
[07:08] <Kilos> how did you fix grub rescue>
[07:08] <magespawn> but yes the battery determines how long and how much you are running on that ups
[07:08] <Kilos> i used to dread that
[07:09] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w 
[07:09] <SmilyBorg_w> hey there
[07:09] <magespawn> not sure going to a go a fixing it when I get a break, if I run into problems I will let you know
[07:10] <Kilos> if you boot from cd and install boot-repair it does it all for you
[07:10] <Kilos> 12.04 hey?
[07:12] <magespawn> well it was upgrading to that when the power dipped
[07:13] <Kilos> DigiGram, that not a good thing to follow for me. wants me to download a tarball and the fly fights me when i do things like that
[07:13] <Kilos> eish thats yuck
[07:13] <DigiGram> lol okay
[07:14] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:14] <magespawn> from the grub rescue prompt?
[07:14] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+F2
[07:15] <Kilos> i have a page of what to do from that prompt but nothing ever worked thats when i found boot-repair
[07:16] <magespawn> the computer boots straight into the grub rescue prompt
[07:16] <magespawn> so i will use boot repair when i get a chance
[07:16] <Kilos> and no ctrl+alt+f2 then magespawn 
[07:16] <magespawn> no nothing else straight in grub rescue
[07:17] <Kilos> eish
[07:17] <magespawn> and i have a windows desktop i need to finish first
[07:18] <magespawn> removed 3712 virus infected files using clam av, now i need to repair the os
[07:18] <Kilos> wow
[07:19] <Kilos> i would think clamav sees all of windows as a virus
[07:19] <Kilos> named billy's revenge
[07:21] <Kilos> inetpro, massive storm last night and 2mm rain hehe
[07:21] <Kilos> better than storm only though
[07:24] <inetpro> Kilos: I think I got more than 2mm but I forgot to check
[07:25]  * inetpro swimming pool was full of frogs last night
[07:25] <inetpro> counted about 20
[07:26] <inetpro> the previous night I fished out 13 of them with the net
[07:27] <inetpro> amazing how they suddenly appeared out of nowhere
[07:28] <Kilos> whew
[07:28] <magespawn>  frogs are very cool
[07:28] <Kilos> it doesnt like raining here
[07:28] <magespawn> they show you how healthy the water is
[07:28]  * inetpro loves frogs but they don't belong in the swimming pool
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <magespawn> no they don't, but if you put a little ramp in the will get out themselves
[07:29] <magespawn> the=they
[07:29] <Kilos> only frogs worth loving are in france
[07:29] <inetpro> this morning all of them were out already except one of them
[07:29] <inetpro> they are very windgat
[07:30] <Kilos> hehe
[07:30]  * inetpro struggled to keep them in the net 
[07:31] <Kilos> only good frog is a plat anna
[07:31] <Kilos> you can fish with them
[07:32] <inetpro> Kilos: yikes!
[07:32] <Kilos> baber kos
[07:32] <inetpro> these frogs are massive, way to big for the fish
[07:32] <Kilos> fish dont eat ordinary frogs
[07:32] <Kilos> they give off some stinky slime
[07:33] <Kilos> but large barbel cant swim past a platanna
[07:34] <Kilos> but our dams are so polluted now one cant take a chance and eat the fish anymore
[07:34] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[07:34]  * Kilos greets tumbleweed 
[07:35] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[07:35] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[07:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:35] <charlvn> how's it going Kilos 
[07:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[07:35] <Kilos> lol brain dead charlvn 
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:36] <Kilos> android stuff heavy onna old nogging
[07:36] <Vince-0> Haai Kilos
[07:36] <Kilos> noggin
[07:36] <DigiGram> Maaz, coffee please
[07:36] <Maaz> DigiGram: Done
[07:37] <Kilos> DigiGram, you wanna tell me after all that downloading i still dont have an emulator?
[07:37] <DigiGram> the emulator is part of the original package
[07:37] <Kilos> oh good
[07:39] <charlvn> somewhat OT for this channel but netbsd 6 was just released
[07:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn, Kilos and DigiGram!
[07:39] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[07:39] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[07:39] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[07:39] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:40] <DigiGram> Maaz, thanks
[07:40] <Maaz> DigiGram: No problem
[07:41] <charlvn> on and also somewhat OT note, OpenELEC looks interesting: http://openelec.tv/
[07:41] <charlvn> i have been thinking about building my own HTPC for a while and might take it on as a december project
[07:43] <magespawn> Kilos the funny thing is if there are frogs in the water then it is relatively pollution free
[07:44] <Kilos> yeah
[07:44] <magespawn> of coursse this is chemical pollution not biological
[07:44] <Kilos> seen on tv how they dying in dams near cities
[07:44] <DigiGram> magespawn, not if the frog is on Kilos's hook, thats no indication :)
[07:44] <Kilos> hehe
[07:46] <magespawn> he
[07:46] <magespawn> that usually from all the chemical pollution, they are very sensitive to pesticides and such
[07:47] <DigiGram> its bad when you get higher speeds from TENET than from a server on your LAN
[07:47] <Kilos> yeah they reckoned it was from waste from factories
[07:49] <magespawn> DigiGram: how is that even possible? load on the local server?
[07:49] <DigiGram> If only I knew magespawn 
[07:49] <magespawn> i would like to know to
[07:50] <magespawn> maybe there is a bottleneck somewhere
[07:50] <DigiGram> but it might be possible that my browser does not exclude that site in his proxy settings
[07:50] <DigiGram> or maybe just load as you say
[07:58] <magespawn> DigiGram: are you the system admin?
[07:58] <DigiGram> nope, was just busy downloading an iso from one of our servers, and one from UFS, and UFS won lol
[08:00] <nlsthzn> DigiGram, cause the freestate is so flat, no resistance
[08:00] <DigiGram> the internet brings the world closer... I get a better speed from a server roughly 300km away, than from one 300m away... lol. But we had power issues, so I wonder if one of the hubs didn't make it perhaps
[08:00] <DigiGram> lol nlsthzn thats something I won't tell my wife
[08:00] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:01] <DigiGram> my brother always says, the Freestate is the only place where you can watch your dog run away for 3 days
[08:02] <Kilos> lol
[08:02] <nlsthzn> haha
[08:03] <nlsthzn> inetpro, ringtales are cute, I show my wife this and she will be nagging for 3 days to have one
[08:03] <DigiGram> so now that I live in the Freestate, I want to hear what my brother says when he visits the weekend
[08:05] <inetpro> nlsthzn: lol
[08:05] <magespawn> so flat that you can see yesterday, today, and tomrrow all at the same time
[08:05] <inetpro> nlsthzn: so you have installed Quantal Quatzel?
[08:06] <nlsthzn> no... I am resisting at the moment... watched the OMG video on it and it looks pretty slick...
[08:07] <inetpro> does look good indeed
[08:07]  * inetpro will however stick with kubuntu
[08:07] <magespawn> thats what i have to fix on one of my machines the power dipped about 7/8 of the way through the upgrade
[08:07] <nlsthzn> :(
[08:07] <magespawn> got this error this morning "error: ELF header smaller than expected."
[08:07] <inetpro> it's release day today
[08:08] <magespawn> grub rescue>
[08:08] <magespawn> so another learing curve
[08:08] <inetpro> superfly: are you running on 12.10 yet?
[08:08] <nlsthzn> elves do have small heads in comaprison to dwarfs etc
[08:08] <magespawn> lol
[08:08] <Kilos> magespawn, you can type help there and it gives commands
[08:09] <Kilos> but none fixed boot for me
[08:09] <magespawn> nearly wrote " so another learning curse" would have been bit of a slip
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:47] <superfly> inetpro: yup
[08:53] <DigiGram> mmm, the web interface is nice for people on the go
[10:36] <Kilos> hehe im lost where exactly must this path go
[10:36] <Kilos> Note: Android SDK will be installed in the "/usr/bin/android-sdk-linux" folder), you should include this path in Eclipse (Preferences window) after adding the ADT plugin.
[10:36] <Kilos> eclipse prefs has lotsa stuff in
[10:41] <Kilos> in preferences >android?
[10:51] <superfly> Kilos: what are you trying to do?
[10:52] <Kilos> trying to get an emulator thing going to use whatsapp superfly 
[10:52] <superfly> oh
[10:53] <Kilos> and i cant even start the emulator
[10:53] <superfly> you just need to extract the SDK to your home directory, and then run the Android manager to download a ROM
[10:55] <Kilos> i have even got the android-sdk ppa because i couldnt find it in eclipse
[10:57] <superfly> Kilos: eish, you are going off on the wrong track. if you just want the emulator you don't need eclipse or PPAs
[10:58] <Kilos> eish it ate over 1g of data last night getting all of it
[11:04] <bakuman> one gram!
[11:05] <DigiGram> how much will one gram of data be? Everything has mass, so the electrons occupying the HIGH state should have some mass as well, shouldn't it?
[11:06] <bakuman> someone actually posted something like that a while back
[11:08] <bakuman> http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2007/04/weighing_the_we.html
[11:10] <Kilos> lol 1 gig man
[11:11] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[11:11] <nuvolari> have we been blessed by Canonical or not yet?
[11:14] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[11:24] <Kilos> yay android sdk manager shows in dash but nothing else with it. all the extras are in eclipse
[11:24] <Kilos> grrr
[11:32] <bakuman> nuvolari what do you mean?
[11:35] <bakuman> 12.10 not released yet?
[11:39] <Kilos> there used to be an irc channel where they monitored the release
[11:40] <tumbleweed> #ubuntu-release-party
[11:40] <tumbleweed> which reminds me
[11:40] <tumbleweed> (to join it)
[11:40] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <Kilos> i joined #ubuntu-release
[11:41] <tumbleweed> that's a working channel
[11:41] <Kilos> now you tell its a party channel
[11:48] <Kilos> tumbleweed, why dont you sell them an ibid bot
[11:48] <Kilos> to track the release times for them
[11:48] <tumbleweed> At some point I tried to persuade the ubuntu-bots people to use ibid
[11:49] <tumbleweed> but they've got enough of their own code as supybot plugins, that they weren't interested
[11:49] <Kilos> fools
[11:50] <Kilos> neil even got ibid yesterday because supybot wasnt good enough
[11:50] <Kilos> so the ahabs are one up
[11:52] <Kilos> and mrs_fly_ has a tail
[11:59] <Kilos> magespawn, you winning with that winsucks
[11:59] <Kilos> ?
[11:59] <Kilos> you very quiet
[12:08] <magespawn> hey Kilos yup iam winning slowly but surely
[14:54] <nuvolari> hmm, probably not going to get ubuntu today
[15:03] <Symmetria> suppppp :)
[15:04]  * Symmetria is in an awesome mood
[15:07] <sakhi> moving students to the google cloud...interesting times.
[15:07] <Kilos> why Symmetria 
[15:08] <Kilos> if you in such a good mood organise us more space to host ubuntu debdelta
[15:10] <Kilos> tumbleweed, how much space do we need? and what else?
[15:11] <tumbleweed> Kilos: never investigated debdeltas, sorry
[15:13] <Symmetria> kilos: http://www.ubuntunet.net/uc_2012
[15:13] <Symmetria> ^^^ proud moment in any companies life when they get to a point where they can actually sponsor something
[15:13] <Symmetria> :P and being in the same partnership category as seacom just rocks
[15:15] <Kilos> great
[15:16] <Kilos> now find us space for a ubuntu deb-delta server
[15:16] <Kilos> pleeeeese
[15:17] <Symmetria> hrm, will talk to someone tomorrow, I know a place that would host one
[15:21] <sakhi> sounds good
[15:21] <Kilos> we will be most grateful
[15:22] <Kilos> even be nice to you for a while
[15:30] <Cantide> anyone got 12.10 yet? :D
[15:32] <Kilos> superfly, where is the Rom i gotta get that android manager to download please
[15:32] <Kilos> Cantide, join #ubuntu-release-party
[15:33] <tumbleweed> Cantide: not released yet
[15:33] <Cantide> weird - there's already a review up on OMG! Ubuntu
[15:34] <Cantide> well, not a review, but "10 things to do after installing"
[15:34] <Cantide> so i thought it was out >.<
[15:34] <magespawn> can you not do-release-upgrade and get it?
[15:34] <tumbleweed> Cantide: they like jumping the gun
[15:34] <tumbleweed> magespawn: it's not out yet
[15:42] <magespawn> must be pretty soon though, where are those islands?
[15:51] <Symmetria> hrm
[15:51] <Symmetria> I think seacom just died
[15:54] <magespawn> tumbleweed: i see howland island is just before the international date line so it might still be night time on the 17th or early morning on the 18th there. not too sure how it works?
[15:54] <tumbleweed> there isn't a specific release time
[15:54] <tumbleweed> when it's ready
[15:55] <magespawn> is #ubuntu-release-party an official channel?
[15:57] <Kilos> ya
[15:59] <magespawn> well the topic there says after 23:59:59 on the 18th on Howland Island. And we are ahead of them/it. 
[16:00] <Squirm> afaik it's released
[16:00] <Squirm> hmm. maybe not
[16:01] <magespawn> tumble says not
[16:01] <Cantide> it's chaos in that channel :D
[16:01] <Kilos> haha they go mad sometimes
[16:02] <Kilos> i member for 10.10 it was chockablock and everyone had something to say at once
[16:02] <magespawn> i do not see anything happening
[16:02] <Cantide> it really should be released early during the day
[16:02] <Cantide> like at midnight or something
[16:02] <magespawn> who's day?
[16:02] <Cantide> so it's available on the day
[16:02] <Kilos> whose day?
[16:02] <Cantide> canonical's :p
[16:02] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <Kilos> you too fast magespawn 
[16:03] <Cantide> Kilos, but you got the grammar correct :p
[16:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:03] <magespawn> lol
[16:05] <Cantide> i have no idea why i'm excited for it :p
[16:05] <Cantide> i'll probably only install it in December -.-
[16:25] <Kilos> everyone is hoping unity has improved
[16:25] <Kilos> like with 10 desktops
[16:38] <magespawn> networking peeps what do you think of this http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=plcp&v=q65tJ2RcadQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq65tJ2RcadQ%26feature%3Dplcp  
[17:10] <Cantide> the quetzal has landed '<
[17:19] <tumbleweed> \o/
[17:20] <superfly> download rate from the repos is not bad
[17:21] <superfly> tumbleweed: do you know which is a good local repository mirror? last I heard za.archive wasn't doing so well
[17:21] <tumbleweed> superfly: try the neology mirror
[17:21] <superfly> of course
[17:22] <tumbleweed> http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/
[17:25] <superfly> ah, that's slightly better
[17:26] <superfly> more than slightly, actually
[17:39] <magespawn> later all
[17:40] <Cantide> is an upgrade recommended?
[17:40] <Cantide> or should i do a fresh install?
[17:40] <Cantide> i'd rather do a fresh install
[17:40] <Cantide> but i don't want to sit until 2 am configuring everything again :D
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:44] <Kilos> make a backup Cantide 
[17:44] <Kilos> deja-dup
[17:44] <Cantide> naaaahhh
[17:44] <Cantide> i am brave
[17:45] <Cantide> nothing to lose on this HDD anyway
[17:45] <Cantide> all data is stored elsewhere
[17:45] <Kilos> that saves all your settings and things
[17:45] <Cantide> oh...
[17:45] <Cantide> that would be cool
[17:45] <Cantide> i hate losing email contacts and whatnot
[17:45] <Kilos> email addys and so on
[17:45] <Cantide> yeah
[17:45] <Cantide> i will keep that in mind :)
[17:45] <Kilos> pidgin contacts
[17:45] <Kilos> xchat settings etc
[17:46] <Kilos> goes quick, its basically youre home folder
[17:46] <Cantide> eish
[17:46] <Kilos> or you can rsync /home to someother drive
[17:46] <Cantide> basically downloads the whole thing...
[17:46] <Cantide> going to get over 800 MB
[17:46] <Cantide> hmmm
[17:47] <Cantide> to click or not to click...
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <Cantide> clicked!! 'o'
[17:47] <Kilos> ill wait for an official dvd
[17:48] <Cantide> good idea
[17:48] <Cantide> i am sometimes impatient
[17:48] <Cantide> especially when it comes to new releases of Ubuntu :)
[17:48] <zeref> o0o0o
[17:48] <Cantide> l1l1l
[17:49] <zeref> think i'll stick to 12.04 :)
[17:49] <zeref> till next LTS
[17:49] <Cantide> that's generally my strategy
[17:50] <Cantide> well, not really LTS, but i stick with a version for about 2 or 3 years before getting a new one
[17:50] <Cantide> 9.10 -> 10.10 -> 12.04
[17:50] <Cantide> so getting 12.10 is not like me at all :)
[17:50] <zeref> :)
[17:51] <Kilos> i missed 11.10
[17:51] <Cantide> i avoided it :D
[17:51] <Cantide> waited for unity to mature a little
[17:51] <Kilos> but did from 8.10 up
[17:51] <zeref> i missed the 11's
[17:51] <Cantide> Kilos, every release? 'o'
[17:51] <Cantide> wow
[17:51] <Cantide> that's dedication right there :D
[17:51] <Kilos> yeah was exciting to see it grow and get better
[17:52] <Cantide> true
[17:52] <Cantide> i like major changes though
[17:52] <Cantide> feels like a new OS
[17:52] <Cantide> incremental changes can be disappointing
[17:52] <Kilos> started with 8.04 but couldnt get my cell to work
[17:52] <Cantide> but i am so keen to try out web apps
[17:52] <zeref> hmmm, since 12.04 is supported till 2017, will you be able to upgrade from 12.04 -> 17.04?
[17:52] <zeref> o0o0
[17:53] <Cantide> haha
[17:53] <Cantide> by then every single package will probably have changed
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <zeref> doubt it though
[17:54] <Kilos> you might need toupgrade from one lts to next then next etc
[17:55] <zeref> womder what ubuntu will look like in 17.04 :D
[17:56] <Kilos> would be nice to have a 1tb drive and install all alongside eack other
[17:57] <Cantide> i barely use my 80 GB :D :D :D
[17:57] <Kilos> each
[17:57] <Cantide> but yeah, imagine having each version installed
[17:57] <Cantide> and switching to each one to check it out and look at the changes
[17:57] <zeref> :O
[17:57] <Cantide> someone needs to make a youtube video of that
[17:58] <Cantide> from the first Ubuntu up to current, and just append new versions to the video
[17:58] <Kilos> the old ones took lotsa tweaking
[17:58] <Cantide> timelapse~
[17:58] <Kilos> everything didnt just work
[17:58] <Kilos> 10.10 was great
[17:58] <Kilos> still is
[17:59] <zeref> nought 10.04
[17:59] <zeref> ;)
[17:59] <Kilos> 10.04 needed work to get mxit in pidgin
[17:59] <Cantide> i really liked 10.10 :)
[17:59] <Cantide> probably my favourite :D
[17:59] <Kilos> imh 10.10 is still the best stable release to date
[18:00] <Kilos> unity rocked the boat too much
[18:00] <zeref> Lucid for me was rock solid
[18:00] <Kilos> no man
[18:00] <Kilos> you had to do some work to get everything going
[18:01] <Kilos> as in mxit
[18:01] <zeref> ???, I had no such problems :)
[18:01] <Kilos> you had to run a command to get purple
[18:01] <Kilos> do you use mxit?
[18:02] <zeref> nope
[18:02] <Kilos> do you use pidgin?
[18:02] <zeref> nope
[18:02] <zeref> :)
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> pidgin rocks
[18:03] <Cantide> Empathy <3
[18:03] <Kilos> empathy got no otr
[18:03] <Cantide> otr?
[18:03] <Kilos> off the record
[18:03] <Cantide> oh
[18:03] <Cantide> haha
[18:03] <Cantide> that's okay :p
[18:04] <Kilos> where 2 pcs scramble the signal between each other
[18:04] <Kilos> then theres nothing anyone else can read
[18:06] <Cantide> oh
[18:06] <Cantide> secure connection?
[18:06] <Kilos> Cantide, what speed you downloading at
[18:06] <Kilos> yeah very secure
[18:06] <Cantide> it was on 400 Kbps
[18:06] <Cantide> but seems to have dropped to 200 now
[18:06] <Cantide> server load maybe?
[18:06] <Cantide> oh, back to 350
[18:07] <Cantide> it's quite inconsistent
[18:07] <Cantide> ._.
[18:07] <Kilos> the 2 pcs actually send receive and sync inna scrambled way
[18:07] <Cantide> i'm not so concerned about security
[18:07] <Cantide> although i do have extremely personal chats
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Cantide> there is no critical information
[18:08] <Cantide> so if anyone gets it, they can have a good laugh, but that's about it :p
[18:08] <Cantide> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/Screenshot%20from%202012-10-18%2020%3A00%3A25.png
[18:14] <zeref> Cantide: what client is that?
[18:14] <Cantide> client? IRC client?
[18:14] <zeref> yebo
[18:14] <Cantide> xchat
[18:15] <Cantide> 2.8.8
[18:15] <zeref> k
[18:15] <Cantide> <3
[18:19] <zeref> zomg, i didnt know that ncmpcpp had a visualizer
[18:19] <zeref> http://i.imgur.com/9zMeO.jpg
[18:20] <Cantide> gnome 3?
[18:20] <Cantide> also, nice background
[18:23] <zeref> yep, ta
[18:38] <smileE17> doei :)
[18:45] <superfly> ah, there we go, upgrade complete by the looks of things
[18:45] <superfly> let's reboot and see what we have, shall we?
[18:45] <superfly> not that it'll be any different to what I've been seeing recently, since I've been running the beta
[18:48] <Cantide> superfly, good luck :)
[19:03] <Guest2958> ....
[19:05] <inetpro> good evening
[19:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I fished 19 frogs out of the swimming pool with the kids earlier this evening and yet another one has just announced it's arrival
[19:08] <Kilos> wow
[19:08] <Kilos> is your pool the only water in the area
[19:08] <Kilos> open water
[19:08] <inetpro> don't tell my neighbor but I put them all over the wall
[19:08] <Kilos> they come to lay eggs there
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <superfly> I still don't like LightDM
[19:09] <inetpro> hope he's not reading here :-)
[19:09] <inetpro> superfly: hi
[19:09] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:10] <Kilos> he cant be a geek surely
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know... what about you?
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: kubuntu now has LightDM?
[19:10] <Kilos> im lost superfly 
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: yup
[19:11] <Kilos> nee man
[19:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: you're a farmer, and you're in here! :-P
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: what's wrong with it?
[19:11] <Kilos> whew just now kubuntu will be running unity
[19:11] <Kilos> oh lol
[19:11] <Kilos> im different
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: it's just not as polished as KDM
[19:12] <superfly> like even though the password box is focused by default, you don't see the cursor
[19:12]  * inetpro wonders why they changed it
[19:12] <superfly> so I only found out that I can just type without clicking after trawling through mailing lists and bug reports
[19:12] <Kilos> superfly, i dunno where or how to get the emulator running or where or how to tell it to install whatsapp
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: where do you have the Android SDK?
[19:14] <Kilos> i have the one i downloaded the .tgz and then converted it to .deb
[19:14] <Kilos> installed with gdebi
[19:14] <superfly> Kilos: no, no, no.
[19:14] <Kilos> then the ppa one is i dunno where
[19:14] <superfly> You just extract the .tgz
[19:15] <Kilos> ok that i tried and then?
[19:15] <superfly> then you go into the tools directory and run "./android" and it opens up the Android Manager
[19:15] <Kilos> have it on desktop
[19:16] <superfly> then you select the Android 2.2 item (and all its sub-items) and click "install"
[19:16] <superfly> oh, and I think you need to make sure you get the platform tools installed, though I think they might be automatically selected
[19:16] <superfly> then you run the emulator
[19:17] <superfly> and then you use the "adb" program in the platform-tools directory to load the apk into the emulator
[19:17] <Kilos> with eclipse i have over 1 gig of stuff
[19:17] <Kilos> no data left for big downloads
[19:20] <Kilos> must i cd into the tools or with gui ok?
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: cd into tools
[19:22] <superfly> hrm, I've deleted it from my PC now
[19:23] <Kilos> nm ill get there now i have an idea ty
[19:36] <Kilos> in the manager i see tools with android sdk tools and android sdk platform-tools
[19:36] <Kilos> no android 2.2 item superfly 
[19:37] <superfly> Kilos: you might need to do an update, like you do with apt
[19:37] <superfly> except it's not a command, it's a button
[19:37] <Kilos> is it gonna download again
[19:37] <Kilos> ive already got them tools twice
[19:43] <Kilos> Stopping ADB server failed (code -1).
[19:46] <superfly> Kilos: do you have a platform-tools directory?
[19:47] <Kilos> yes but eed to stop it now
[19:47] <Kilos> its at 100m downloaded but the platform tools isnt ticked yet
[19:49] <Kilos> android sdk tools installed
[19:51] <Kilos> superfly, i need to check data balance first. maybe tick the platform tools after 11pm
[19:51] <inetpro> oh my goodness, that was not just one more frog.... caught and dumped another seven of them
[19:51] <Kilos> wow
[19:52] <Kilos> you are a frog magnet
[19:52] <Kilos> wbb
[19:54]  * inetpro wants to see whether they will be back again, maybe they have a very strong urge to return to my swimming pool each time
[19:54] <inetpro> should be tagging them
[19:59] <inetpro> I really don't like the latest trickery by facebook to show everyone who has seen a posting
[20:00] <inetpro> it's really meaningless and not necessary to go to that level of privacy invasion
[20:01] <Kilos> lol what i missed
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: I wrote, I really don't like the latest trickery by facebook to show everyone who has seen a posting
[20:01] <Kilos> ah i get emails all the time from fb
[20:01] <Kilos> painful
[20:02] <zeref> facebook? what is that ;)
[20:02] <inetpro> that happens in a group like ubuntu ZA on facebook
[20:03] <Kilos> oh superfly lower down there is an android 2.2 (api 8)
[20:04] <Kilos> but it said restart after getting tools and now it wants to download all over again
[20:04] <inetpro> so I guess I shall just unsubscribe from such a group
[20:04] <Kilos> can i untick everything except android 2.2
[20:09] <Kilos> doesnt this android thing save whats already downloaded
[20:11] <inetpro> sjoe Kilos, you must be very desperate to use whatsapp
[20:11] <Kilos> i was but its killing me
[20:12] <Kilos> mxit peeps are all going whatsapp
[20:12] <Kilos> i dunno why, they say its better
[20:12] <inetpro> well I must give you full marks for trying so hard
[20:13] <inetpro> and I hope that you do get it going at least
[20:14] <Kilos> eish thats why im still trying because otherwise its well over a gig of data wasted
[20:19] <Kilos> and i still havent seen this emulator thing
[20:20] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:20] <inetpro> that was not intentional
[20:20] <Kilos> should have rather used that data to get 12.10
[20:20] <superfly> Kilos: you do know you have to pay for whatsapp?
[20:20] <Kilos> the fly went too
[20:20] <Kilos> oh my no i didnt superfly 
[20:20] <inetpro> eish! Good point superfly
[20:21] <Kilos> thats it ty. will purge it all
[20:21] <inetpro> Kilos: don't purge!
[20:22] <Kilos> ok
[20:22] <inetpro> it's a good thing to explore that stuffs
[20:22] <Kilos> i have the eclipse as well but not idea what to do with it
[20:22] <superfly> Kilos: it is free for the first year
[20:23] <Kilos> oh and then one can stop using it
[20:23] <Kilos> ?
[20:38] <Kilos> ok night guys.sleep tight
[20:38] <Kilos> ty for the help