[00:01] <Scunizi> How do I start the Google Music Manager after install.. there's no menu item and "whereis" is useless without the package name.
[00:36] <sithlord48> if you install w/ encrypted home folder. if you reinstall and use same password will you be able to see your documents?
[00:46] <Guest6286> Hi I've just upgraded my Kubuntu host to 12.10 and now vmware workstation won't load up. I've tried the new patch and also tried to uninstall but for some reason I get this error on reinstallation: Unable to stop services.
[00:46] <Guest6286> i'd be grateful if anyone is please able to help
[00:49] <FlyingElvis> well the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 is done...went without a hitch far as i can tell
[00:50] <dougl> I am having issues with my 12.04 box but only when it runs in windows = how can I load the system to test hardware under kubuntu... I mean really that is what is important.
[00:52] <dougl> In windows it magically reboots/restarts.... kubuntu (no load) seems to run flawlessly - as we'd expect, but lets put it to the test... but how
[00:52] <dougl> ?
[00:54] <Guest37284> where is everyone from?
[00:57] <SIR_Taco_> Guest6286: well... when a man and a woman like each other very much....
[00:58] <SIR_Taco_> sorry, that should be Guest37284... who has now left :P
[01:00] <dougl> stress test kubuntu - anyone?
[01:00] <dougl> kanada
[01:03] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: how about the 'stress' package?
[01:03] <SIR_Taco_> or 'cpuburn'
[01:03] <SIR_Taco_> or 'crashme'
[01:04] <Torch> cpuburn will only load the cpu itself.... building a kernel is a nice stress test, though. or some other largish software package.
[01:06] <SIR_Taco_> Torch: Qt, OpenOffice or LibreOffice would do it... (they were a pain 10 years ago anyway)
[01:16] <dougl> SIR_Taco, never heard of any of them - thanks
[01:24] <dougl> SIR_Taco, can you help me out with the syntax of stress... cpu and io?
[01:27] <dougl> I am not sure exactly how stress works...
[01:28] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: not sure, have never used it... just searched the repos for stress tests
[01:29] <dougl> SIR_Taco, K thanks
[03:22] <utu-san> why is the iso so big?
[03:34] <bjrohan> Hey there, is there a task scheduler installed by default? I can't seem to find one
[03:53] <bjrohan> Anyone know where the task scheduler is in 12.10? Old posts for 12.10 said system settings task scheduler
[03:53] <bjrohan> I do not see it
[04:06] <bjrohan> What is the KDE administration module? I was looking to install kde-config-cron and it is mentioned in the description
[05:24] <bjrohan> Hey there, I need help with ssh. I am trying to set up ssh so I don't need a password when running rsync. I followed a 3 step guide, but now not only does it still ask for a password, but it says my password is wrong
[05:51] <shadeslayer> bjrohan: do you use ssh keys or plaintext auth?
[05:52] <shadeslayer> if the former, check if you have .ssh/authorized_keys and it has the right permissions
[05:52] <shadeslayer> should be -rw-r--r--
[05:53] <shadeslayer> ( or 0644 )
[06:46] <Smurphy> Morning ..
[06:46] <Smurphy> Hmmm. How can I upgrade a KUbuntu from the cli ? Anyone a link ?
[06:55] <lordievader> Smurphy: sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:01] <almoxarife> i have forgotten, where can i change the key-combo for krunner?
[07:02] <lordievader> almoxarife: System Settings -> Keyboard Shortcuts. Or look for keyboard shortcuts in krunner.
[07:09] <almoxarife> lordievader: i have not seen key-short on krunner, you? i am using 4.9
[07:10] <almoxarife> lordievader: it was where you first suggested though, thanks
[07:10] <lordievader> almoxarife: Global Keyboard Shortcuts under Run Command Interface, second option.
[07:10] <Smurphy> lordievader: Yeah., Didn't work on my netBook. Probably I had made an upgrade with one of the last Beta's - and it already replaced what was required :D
[07:10] <almoxarife> yeap
[07:12] <almoxarife> kubuntu still under conical?
[07:12] <Smurphy> Doing the Update on the CLI on my mac mini. Last time I did it with the GUI - it didn't work :
[07:12] <Smurphy> }
[07:14] <Smurphy> You have to download a total of 1823 M. This download will take about
[07:14] <Smurphy> 21 minutes with your connection.
[07:14] <Smurphy> *lol*
[07:44] <GirlyGirl> Does kubuntu have any alternate isos for 12.10?
[07:46] <lordievader> GirlyGirl: Perhaps this is what you are looking for: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[07:47] <yofel_> GirlyGirl: no, if you need the text installer you'll have to use the mini.iso
[07:48] <GirlyGirl> yofel_: Any way do download all the .deb packages so that no download is necessary using the mini iso?
[07:49] <yofel_> not that I know of, but maybe someone else does
[07:50] <Smurphy> as far as I have read - the reasons they do the huge ISO - is to have the alternate installer also on the same one ...
[07:52] <Smurphy> Reasone for the Alternate image - is 384MiB :) ram ...
[07:53] <GirlyGirl> yofel_: Another question why is the iso so big, considering the additional packages are not that much?
[07:54] <Smurphy> They wanted to get away from the CD Size limitation - so people at the end of the workd wouldn't have to download the Office packages for 3 days by example.
[07:55] <yofel_> that, and it allowed for some packaging hackery to be removed that was needed to somehow make everything fit into 700M
[09:14] <Smurphy> Hmm. Apart from that thelightdm could not load the regular user sessions (only a disabled one and the guest) after installing kdm and forcing it to be used - I can use my system as usual.
[09:15] <shadeslayer> Smurphy: please report a bug on bugs.kde.org :)
[09:17] <wmp> SIR_Taco_: CPU work good on 3.6.2
[09:17] <Smurphy> shadeslayer: Na. I circumvented it. Don't have time to create a login etc. to report just one bug.
[09:18] <shadeslayer> Smurphy: but if you never report it, it won't get fixed soonish, or maybe upstream may never know about the issue
[09:19] <Smurphy> shadeslayer: I know. However I think I have given enough of my time to the KDE project in the past already ... :} say with KDE 1.0 release ... Damn ... That was harsh !
[09:20] <shadeslayer> :D
[09:21] <jmichaelx> what is the point of a recovery shell, with user 'root', if config files are read only?
[09:21] <saleem> hi, is anyone using latest stable trinity desktop on precise?
[09:22] <jmichaelx> i have a kubuntu installation for which X is now broken, in 12.04. i suspect i'm not alone in this.
[09:24] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: What device do you run it on ? It does not run on my ASUS EeePC because of the Graphic-Chipset in it.
[09:25] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: i said that X is now broken, meaning that it had been working
[09:26] <shadeslayer> jmichaelx: you can remount the rootfs as read write
[09:26] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: for me, it is pretty much guaranteed that a recent update broke X. i get to KDM, log in, and go to a black screen, with a pointer
[09:26] <jmichaelx> shadeslayer: yep, did that
[09:27] <jmichaelx> i should take back what i said... X is working, it is apparently kwin that is not working
[09:29] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: Then it's not the X. It's the startup scripts. Note that an upgrade always replaces the /bin/sh link to dash. So it broke some of my stuff.
[09:29] <Smurphy> mv all your .kde stuff to a temporary location, and log in again. Should work.
[09:30] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: i had just decided to do just that, but ty.... ny brain had been stuck the last few minutes
[09:30] <jmichaelx> my*
[09:30] <Smurphy> :)
[09:31] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: is it just KDE that will not run on your eeepc?
[09:31] <Smurphy> nope - X Server won't start at all.
[09:31] <Smurphy> Running fine on my Mac mini though.
[09:32] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: hmm, what chipset does your eeepc use? i have several of them, and they all run ubuntu
[09:34] <jmichaelx> ok, i renamed .kde, and started KDM.... and ran into the same thing
[09:34] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: Cedarview chipset ...
[09:34] <jmichaelx> somewhere a kubuntu update or two messed things up
[09:34] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: Weird. What does you .xsession-errors file show you ?
[09:35] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: Run it again from cli.
[09:35] <jmichaelx> run what again?
[09:36] <Smurphy> the update - do see if something was messed up.
[09:36] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: yea, i have no network, since KDE will not start
[09:36]  * Smurphy has taken the habit to initiate majore updates from the console - cause that way - you won't get a screwed update when something does not wor.
[09:36] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: WLan ??? *sucks*
[09:36] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: i do all updates from the command line. always have.
[09:36] <yofel> try running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' anyway, if that returns nothing the update should've been fine
[09:37] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: yep, wlan
[09:37] <jmichaelx> yofel: that's not my problem
[09:38] <yofel> and ~/.xsession-errors has no useful information?
[09:38] <jmichaelx> i should just ditch network manager, but right now i would have to look up again how to connect to my WAP using WPA2, without network manager
[09:39] <jmichaelx> yofel: i'm not seeing anything that looks wrong (to me). X starts, but kwin does not.
[09:39] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: I know the drill.
[09:39] <yofel> wpa_supplicant, but I don't remember the exact way to do it :/
[09:39] <Smurphy> BTW - try creating a new user and log in through that one.
[09:39] <jmichaelx> yofel: yea, i have done it before, but it's been a while
[09:39] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: Or - you could just stop the kdm - and start X from the command line: startx
[09:39] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: yea, X starts the way it is, but i don't think kwin is starting
[09:40] <jmichaelx> i work on networks as a part of my living... but i don't know how to do wpa_supplicant without looking in up o_O
[09:40] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: Did you go to the console, stop KDM, and issue as user: startx ?
[09:41] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: no, but i can go ahead and do that
[09:41] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: what would be the point of doing that?
[09:42] <Smurphy> jmichaelx: I removes the possibility of any Login managers to mess with your config.
[09:42] <vadrao> Hi all, I have a graphics problem. I am suing "NVIDIA Corporation G98M [Quadro NVS 160M] (rev a1)". I could not install nvidia-173 from jockey. It says "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.". But experimental installs fine. But jockey says "installed. but driver not in use" . Can any one suggest some thing
[09:42] <vadrao> suing = using*
[09:43] <vadrao> :)
[09:43] <jmichaelx> vadrao: do NOT sue your video adapter... although the idea may be tempting at times
[09:43] <vadrao> jmichaelx: hahaha :)
[09:43] <jmichaelx> ok, using is better
[09:44] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: startx gives me a black screen. no point or anything.
[09:45] <Smurphy> If you hit just X - as root - what does it do ?
[09:45] <Smurphy> Start X as root, send it to the back ground, export DISPLAY=:0.0
[09:45] <Smurphy> and start a Konsole or xterm or whatever providing you a console on the X Window env.
[09:46] <Smurphy> Then in the console/xterm, start kwin - to see where it crashes ...
[09:46] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: i think i should instead get network going, apply available updates, and see whether or not that fixes anything
[09:47] <jmichaelx> but first, i should go to bed. been up all night
[09:48] <jmichaelx> if i get wireless going, i may just upgrade to quantal, and give it a shot from  there
[09:49] <Smurphy> yeah. I'll go to lunch in 5 ...
[09:52] <wmp> hello, how to add few attach to comment on bug?
[09:52] <wmp> in launchpad of course
[09:58] <jmichaelx> Smurphy: ahh, cedarview... your eeepc is a generation or two newer than the ones i have
[09:58]  * jmichaelx has atom-based machines all over the plave
[09:58] <jmichaelx> place*
[10:00]  * jmichaelx just managed to run updates. crosses fingers.
[10:01]  * jmichaelx cusses
[10:01] <jmichaelx> kubuntu screwed something up. i have a feeling i won't be along on this.
[10:01] <jmichaelx> alone*
[10:01] <jmichaelx> c'est la vie
[10:27] <vernacciabuona> goodmorning
[10:27] <vernacciabuona> italiano english!?!??
[10:27] <Lynoure> !it
[10:28] <vernacciabuona> ok
[10:31] <un2> Current serial number in output stream: 303
[10:35] <un2> I have a problem dudes, trying to install a game with wine am told that : fixme:shell:SHChangeNotify ignoring unsupported flags: 2001
[10:35] <un2> fixme:shell:SHChangeNotify ignoring unsupported flags: 2001
[10:35] <un2> fixme:shell:SHChangeNotify ignoring unsupported flags: 2001
[10:35] <un2> fixme:storage:create_storagefile Storage share mode not implemented.
[10:35] <un2> fixme:shell:SHChangeNotify ignoring unsupported flags: 2001
[10:35] <FloodBotK1> un2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:38] <Guest37520> hi guys i'm getting some funky behaviour from vmware, even after patching for 12.10. When vmware asks me for root password it says it's wrong and also shows Home directory /home/user not ours when it's starting up... does anyone know how i can fix this. thanks
[11:08] <vernacciabuona> ubuntu-it
[11:09] <vernacciabuona> buongiorno
[11:23] <vernacciabuona> for ubuntu it?!?
[11:26] <HugoDaniel> hi
[11:26] <HugoDaniel> im upgrading to 12.10 :)
[12:20] <gits1225> error: sparse file not found. Press any key to continue.
[12:21] <gits1225> Shows up when booting. I know its cause of btrfs. But, any patch or updates to fix it?
[12:27] <yofel> gits1225: iirc that doesn't really break anything so I usually just ignore it
[12:27] <yofel> boot continues after a moment anyway
[12:27] <gits1225> w/o pressing any key?
[12:28] <yofel> yes, pressing a key just makes it continue right away
[12:30] <gits1225> k
[12:38] <dougl> I was running 'stress' and doing system update adn my 12.04 hung and when I restarted adn finnished the update my user's desktop is incomplete (no task bar and no desktop background) any suggestions?
[12:39] <Peace-> dougl: mm alt f2
[12:39] <Peace-> plasma-desktop
[12:39] <Peace-> is running ?
[12:40] <dougl> Peace-, mm alt f2 = ? Sorry I don't understand
[12:41] <Peace-> dougl: run system monitor
[12:41] <Peace-> dougl: see if plasma-desktop is running or not
[12:42] <dougl> lemme shell in... there is nothing I can do from the screen that contains the blank default kubuntu wallpaper...
[12:43] <Peace-> dougl: if you press ALT F2 keys KRUNNER should appear
[12:44] <dougl> Peace-, alt f2 is un responsive
[12:44] <Peace-> dougl: CRTL ESC ?
[12:44] <dougl> and cannot see plasma-desktop in top from ssh
[12:44] <dougl> CRTL ESC  unresponsive
[12:45] <Peace-> dougl: can you run plasma-desktop in some ways ?
[12:46] <Peace-> your system is not running kwin and plasma-desktop
[12:46] <Peace-> that is problem
[12:46] <dougl> lol - I knew there was some sort of problem... I have ssh access and...
[12:47] <monkeyhybrid> Anyone here syncing their Google Apps mail, calendar and contacts with Kontact / Aonadi?
[12:47] <dougl> and console access
[12:48] <Peace-> monkeyhybrid: i guess i did one tme
[12:48] <dougl> Peace-, not sure what to do.
[12:48] <monkeyhybrid> did it work reliably, Peace-?
[12:48] <Peace-> dougl: you need to run in the konsole or your  terminal plasma-desktop & kwin --replace
[12:49] <Peace-> monkeyhybrid: it's so much time i don't try
[12:49] <Smurphy> monkeyhybrid: Hav owncloud at home for that.
[12:51] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: I have been playing with ownCloud a bit too. I love the idea of it. Have you had any problems with it so far?
[12:52] <dougl> Peace-, plasma-desktop & kwin --replace @ ssh and on local ncurse login = 'kwin: FATAL ERROR while trying to open display
[12:52] <dougl> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[12:52] <dougl> plasma-desktop(3618): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11"'
[12:53] <Peace-> dougl: mmm you need to set DISPLAY=SOMETHING
[12:53] <Peace-> dougl: but i dunno if with ssh you coudl do that
[12:54] <Peace-> dougl: you coudl rename your $HOME/.kde
[12:54] <Peace-> dougl: and login logout
[12:54] <Smurphy> monkeyhybrid: It is not aaas stable as I'd like it to be 9It does nto crash). But the Calendar Sharing options are still a bit shaggy
[12:55] <Peace-> dougl:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 0 0 #should logout
[12:55] <monkeyhybrid> hmm, that's kind of what I have found so far too, Smurphy. I have high hopes for it but I can't use it for proper work yet
[12:55] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: The Android apps for it are pretty good though.
[12:55] <dougl> Peace-, yes I used to use the display command when starting mythtv on remote display or remote machine - forget the syntax - lol
[12:56] <Peace-> dougl: DISPLAY=:1  or DISPLAY=:0 i dunno
[12:56] <Smurphy> monkeyhybrid: Could be ... but Snow-Leopard Calendar is a pain on the Shared Calendars ...
[12:57] <dougl> Peace-, yeah that is it.
[12:57] <dougl> renamed .kde for now
[12:57] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: ah ok. Seeing as you're an OS X user, any idea if OS X syncs with calendars / contacts on Google Apps ok?
[12:59] <Smurphy> monkeyhybrid: Nope. Can't tell,a s we - Wife and Girls (3) only use private stuff. Social Medias as these are called - we don't care.
[12:59] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: Basically, I have given in to using Google Apps for mail, contacts and calendar. Currently using Thunderbird as an email client but would like to be using the KPIM tools if they are stable with Google Apps sync nowadays. But would need something for Mac clients....
[13:00] <Smurphy> yep. well - My wife and the girls are using Mac's - me 2 - but Hardware only, running KUbuntu 12.10 on my mac mini |:}
[13:00] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: oki doki, good to hear you're getting on with ownCloud then. I really hope that becomes a lot more polished over the next few releases
[13:01] <Smurphy> me too.
[13:02] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: I have to get a Mac soon for iOS development but still think KDE is the best DE ever so can't let it go... :) I will end up with a new beefy laptop for Linux and a Macbook Pro for OS X I think
[13:03] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: I could always have KDE in a VM but that would just feel so wrong, lol.
[13:04] <Smurphy> yup. Having here roughly 10 Computers running in the household. Using the Macs reduces Admin-Tasks trmendously ...
[13:04] <Smurphy> and - I can alwyas do what I want on mine.
[13:05] <dougl> Peace-, that gives me limited desktop... task bar with no widgets, right button click menu on desktop, desktop button in the upper right... did the plasma-desktop & kwin --replace in a konsole window on my desktop and nothing much happend to the desktop...
[13:05] <dougl> about half the window had status messages tho...
[13:05] <dougl> no errors
[13:06] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: so do you dual-boot Kubuntu with OS X on your Mac? Or have you totally scubbed OS X?
[13:06] <Peace-> dougl: are you before the computer ?
[13:06] <Peace-> dougl: if yes you can add the default panel ?
[13:07] <Smurphy> I have OS-X for some things like a decent Teamviewer support (It's still wine based under linux I guess) to help my relatives, but the partition is small ... 98GB from 1TB.
[13:08] <Smurphy> The rest is on 50GB Root partition, 50GB Cryptfs Partition, rest Media.
[13:08] <Smurphy> and all kept in sync with the NAS.
[13:09] <Peace-> dougl: btw i have to go :}
[13:10] <monkeyhybrid> coool. kept in sync with the NAS using ownCloud?
[13:10] <dougl> Peace-, thanks for the help = take care
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:12] <dougl> BluesKaj, hello :)
[13:12] <dougl> BluesKaj, help :)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> hi dougl
[13:12] <dougl> lol
[13:13] <BluesKaj> whta's up , dougl ?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> err what's up :)
[13:14] <Smurphy> +1 ?
[13:14] <dougl> BluesKaj, you familiar with a package called 'stress' to test kubuntu machines?
[13:14] <Smurphy> dougl: reompile the kernel with option -j - and you'll do the best stress test you can do ... :}
[13:14] <BluesKaj> dougl, I've heard there was one , but never tried it.
[13:17] <dougl> I did a 'stress -c 2k -i 2k' which is loading the cpu and io as I understand it... and at the same time i did a system update and machine hung and restart and finish update my user login is messed... no wallpaper, no effects - ssh in and look at home dir and all looks good - any thots?
[13:17] <dougl> BluesKaj, ^^^
[13:17] <Smurphy> :}
[13:17] <Smurphy> At least the kernel compilation does not hang my machine. Getting slower, yes ...
[13:18] <BluesKaj> my stress test is if all the hardware drivers work the way they're supposed to with media apps etc, then I'm satisfied ..office suites etc no longer apply since I'm primarily a home user
[13:18] <dougl> Smurphy, I can't even do a sytem update and you want me to recompile the kernel... there's asking for trouble - lol
[13:18] <Smurphy> :}
[13:19] <Smurphy> dougl: Any messages showing up - why it crashed /
[13:19] <Smurphy> ?
[13:19] <dougl> yeah I shoulda known better than to fix what wsa not broken... fekkin windows was rebootin on that machine all the time (gaming) on one of the kids so I wanted to check it with a real OS and heres where I am - lol
[13:20] <dougl> Smurphy, that is the thing - no crash
[13:20] <dougl> err - do you mean the hang while fekkin around?
[13:20] <Smurphy> yup. My advice. Take that machine apart, and back together. Vacuum all the dust out of it. This will put back the contacts, and it'll work after. Doing that on a 2 Year cycle here
[13:21] <Smurphy> dougl: yup. The hang :)
[13:23] <dougl> Smurphy, no messages on the hang... teardown/cleanup = good advice... did it last week when we replaced the nvidia that was having fan issues... err last month now I guess.
[13:24] <Smurphy> will do it next week. Just ordered a couple GTX 660Ti OC for my fiwe and my gaming computers :)_
[13:24] <Smurphy> s/fiwe/wife/g :}
[13:25] <dougl> Smurphy, what kind of powersupply you use for the dual 660 machine?
[13:26] <dougl> err - 2 machines?
[13:26] <Smurphy> It is not a dual 660 Machine. My wife and I do each have a gaqming computer - as we are both Power Gamers.
[13:26] <Smurphy> We met while playing left 4 dead  :) *rofl* in the middle of a Zombie massacre :D
[13:27] <dougl> gotcha - my son is the gamer (one 560ti)... there is a story for the kids...
[13:27] <Smurphy> And - I also ordered 2 1TB HD's - as  we are going to add Linux to the WIn7 setup on these boxes (Steam comes out on Linux ...).
[13:27] <dougl> don't play so many games you may get married...
[13:28] <Smurphy> *rofl*
[13:28] <Smurphy> We still play, and we still have a trmendous relationshipt going on. Best choice I ever made ! :}
[13:28] <dougl> when steam comes out on linux = lots of games?
[13:29] <Smurphy> UP to now - 24 officially planned (already done actually).
[13:29] <dougl> mine craft?
[13:30] <Smurphy> no idea.
[13:30] <dougl> or mind craft... or what ever it is called - lol
[13:30] <dougl> I am not a gamer at all
[13:30] <Smurphy> http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
[13:30] <Smurphy> I am - always was :)
[13:31] <dougl> 46 here how old are you?
[13:31] <Smurphy> 43... MY wie is 46 :)
[13:31] <Smurphy> s/wie/wife/g
[13:31] <dougl> surprising - still gaming = good for you guys
[13:32] <monkeyhybrid> Smurphy: Me and my girlfriend met in LfD too! 3 and a bit years now :)
[13:32] <Smurphy> yup :)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I play a strategy game , only because wife wanted an ally , but otherwise I'm not much of a gamer
[13:32] <Smurphy> *rofl* yeah... Way to go :)
[13:32] <Smurphy> http://stargate.solsys.org/mod.php?mod=blog&user=2
[13:32] <Smurphy> :}
[13:33] <dougl> need for speed 3 was the last family game on PC... wow too
[13:33] <dougl> as in warcraft
[13:33] <dougl> no time anymore
[13:33] <Smurphy> Never played wow ... I come from the Wing Commander side. Flight Simulators, and of course Doom, Quake, UT all versions :)
[13:33] <monkeyhybrid> you guys look very happy together :)
[13:34] <Smurphy> monkeyhybrid: We are - still now :)
[13:34] <dougl> duke nukem
[13:34] <Smurphy> that one too ...
[13:34] <Smurphy> monkeyhybrid: People say we have a Symbiotic, Parasitic relation :)
[13:35] <monkeyhybrid> lol
[13:35] <Smurphy> we always hang out together. If one of us is drunk, the other one is drunk too :}
[13:35] <dougl> http://stargate.solsys.org/mod.php?mod=blog&user=2 nice
[13:36] <Smurphy> yeah :)
[13:37] <Smurphy> pfff ... Just going through the TODO List and enhancement requests of my site ... pfffff ...
[13:37] <Smurphy> *hide* *duck*
[13:37] <dougl> In view or recent event I am afraid to do update on my main machine...
[13:37] <kroson> Hi people, is the new kubuntu stable?
[13:37] <Smurphy> Have to do it one of these days ...
[13:37] <Smurphy> kroson: Compared to Windows ? yes.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> kroson, so far so good
[13:38] <Smurphy> in case you have a Cedarview graphic chip - don't use it.
[13:39] <Smurphy> where is the kernel module blacklist again ?
[13:39] <Smurphy> Want to try some thing.
[13:42] <tenarv> i was thinking it was in the etc folder but cant find it
[13:43] <Smurphy> it's in the /etc/modprobe.d directory
[13:43] <tenarv> yep, just found
[13:44] <tenarv> do you know of a good google voice app
[13:51] <dougl> I think I am just gonna install 12.10 and hope for the best
[13:53] <natman> can i ask about upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 here?
[13:53] <Peace-> !upgrade
[13:54] <natman>  its just i heard there is a problem with manual partitions? I have 5 on my laptop and am thinking about a fresh install
[13:55] <Peace-> !releasenote
[13:56] <dougl> my 12.10 dvd does not even boot on that box
[13:57] <natman> Peace-:  i as hoping to chat to someone about it, i have looked at the release notes and the known feedback issues
[13:59] <Smurphy> Wonder if it will work. did put the gma500_gfx into the blacklist ...
[13:59] <Smurphy> Hmmmm. gma500_gfx in the blacklist, gma500_gfx gets loaded anyway ... What am I missing ???
[14:00] <Peace-> Smurphy: mm ?
[14:00] <Peace-> Smurphy: sure that the file is the one ?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, is that the proper name fro the module ?
[14:00] <Peace-> natman: i am in 12.10 from alpha :D here it working nice
[14:01] <Smurphy> smurphy@EeePC:~$ lsmod | grep gma500_gfx
[14:01] <Smurphy> gma500_gfx            187730  1
[14:01] <Smurphy> drm_kms_helper         45271  1 gma500_gfx
[14:01] <Smurphy> drm                   230463  2 gma500_gfx,drm_kms_helper
[14:01] <Smurphy> i2c_algo_bit           13197  1 gma500_gfx
[14:01] <FloodBotK1> Smurphy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:01] <Smurphy> video                  18847  1 gma500_gfx
[14:01] <Peace-> Smurphy: sudo rmmond gma500_gfx ?
[14:01] <Peace-> omg
[14:01] <Peace-> Smurphy: sudo rmmod gma500_gfx ?
[14:01] <Smurphy> :}
[14:02] <natman> Peace-:  cool!, its been years since ive done an upgrade ( rather than fresh install ) ,
[14:02] <Peace-> natman: remove ppa is a duty
[14:02] <Smurphy> # grep gma500_gfx /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[14:02] <natman> Peace-:  sorry dont get ya?
[14:02] <Smurphy> blacklist gma500_gfx
[14:03] <Smurphy> :} SO - it is in ...
[14:03] <Peace-> natman: make sure you have not ppa enabled if you want upgrade
[14:03] <kroson> Hi, is there already a way to make a ubuntu 12.10 bootable usb stick in windows? thanks
[14:03] <Smurphy> Just gives me a: ERROR: Module drm_kms_helper is in use by gma500_gfx
[14:04] <Peace-> Smurphy: so... drm_kms is the one you need to remove
[14:04] <Peace-> first
[14:04] <natman> kroson: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[14:04] <dougl> kroson> Hi, is there already a way to make a ubuntu 12.10 bootable usb stick in windows? thanks or mac or linux?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, probly have to drop to atty stop X and then blaclklist
[14:04] <Smurphy> Tried. Won't do...
[14:04] <Peace-> Smurphy: i hope you know hwat you are doing
[14:04] <Smurphy> ERROR: Module gma500_gfx is in use
[14:04] <Smurphy> ERROR: Module drm_kms_helper is in use by gma500_gfx
[14:05] <Smurphy> Any way I can see which module is actually using the gma500_gfx drivers /
[14:05] <Smurphy> ?
[14:06] <dougl> natman, you know you can make a 12.10 bootable stick with the informaiton on http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ ?
[14:06] <Smurphy> performing a remote jockey start ...
[14:06] <BluesKaj> stop X in the tty and then blacklist it , it won't blacklist while it's in use
[14:06] <Smurphy> won't work ...
[14:06] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: That is the problem. X does not even work !!!
[14:07] <Smurphy> It's a Cedarview chipset being used ...
[14:07] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[14:08] <Smurphy> Will try to upgrade the BIOS. Seem I have some ghost-devices ... 4 Screens while only 3 are valid ...
[14:08] <natman> dougl: ya, and said stick is sitting on my desk!, but the devil inside me wants to risk an online update
[14:09] <dougl> natman, lol... do the update <grin>
[14:09] <BluesKaj> natman, have you partitioned yet
[14:09] <genii-around> Smurphy: Instead of rmmod, have you tried sudo modprobe -r gma500_gfx
[14:10] <natman> dougl: BluesKaj laptop currently is running Kubuntu 12.04 with 5 parititions ( win7, reco, / , /home, swap ) and im happy with all the sizes
[14:12] <BluesKaj> natman, going to do an internet upgrade ?
[14:12] <dougl> time for a usb HD natman
[14:12] <BluesKaj> I don't bother with a swap partition since it's a primary , so a swap file does the job instead
[14:13] <Smurphy> genii-around: Does not work. It needs it to display anything ...
[14:13] <dougl> gotta run guys and gals - thanks for the chat :)
[14:13] <natman> BluesKaj:  perhaps, as in letting muon take care of it for me, but worry about some issues, #parititions and desktop effects
[14:13] <natman> dougl:  bye
[14:16] <Smurphy> pfff. wanted to update the Bios. Found out it is the latest already, and now Windows has to apply 9 Updates ... :(
[14:16] <Smurphy> Hate windows.
[14:16] <TheLordOfTime> natman, if you're going  to chance an internet upgrade, back up your data first.
[14:17] <kroson> Smurphy: using windows 8?
[14:17] <TheLordOfTime> natman, if you upgrade via something like do-release-upgrade in the terminal, it shouldn't mess with your partitions
[14:17] <TheLordOfTime> natman, either  way, data backup time!
[14:17] <kroson> you told me that kubuntu was more stable than windows, in what senses?
[14:17] <Smurphy> kroson: Nope. never. dual boot on my netbook.
[14:18] <Smurphy> The Windows 7 on the Netbook is actually the one I use to manage the firmware of all devices (Radio control transmitters etc.). But I want to ahve linux on it too,.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> natman, muon is ok , but a sudo do-release-upgrade is more direct , guis for an OS upgrade go against my grain
[14:18] <kroson> Smurphy: how would you compare the current kde to the current unity?
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, do-release-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade -d ?
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, i know when 12.04 rolled out, they needed do-release-upgrade -d
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> or w/e it was
[14:19] <BluesKaj> TheLordOfTime,, -d is for development
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, 11.10 -> 12.04 needed that, not sure why even after stable release
[14:20]  * TheLordOfTime greps the release notes
[14:20] <BluesKaj> 12.10 is already released
[14:21] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, so was 12.04
[14:21] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, 11.10 -> 12.04, even after LTS release, needed -d
[14:21] <TheLordOfTime> which is why i'm sifting the release notes now
[14:21] <Smurphy> kroson: Me ? NEver liked Unity or Gnome. Sticking with KDE since pre 1.0 release...
[14:22] <BluesKaj> TheLordOfTime, ok , well try it both ways ...see which one works :)
[14:24] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, it should just be `do-release-upgrade`
[14:24] <TheLordOfTime> with sudo of course
[14:24] <TheLordOfTime> (had to dig into the server release notes to find that one, the release notes suggest to use GUIs instead for Ubuntu and Kubuntu and variants)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> TheLordOfTime, , well, that's for terminal-phobic users
[14:28] <TheLordOfTime> indeed :P
[14:29] <TheLordOfTime> i'm with you, use the terminal and sudo do-release-upgrade :P
[14:31] <bjrohan> Hey there, I need help with ssh. I am trying to set up ssh so I don't need a password when running rsync. I followed a 3 step guide, but now not only does it still ask for a password, but it says my password is wrong
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I'm no linux guru, but I do prefer the terminal over guis unless there's a restart buffer for those with poor internet connections in the muon or whatever gui
[14:34] <Smurphy> bjrohan: on the side you want to connect to - create a key-paire with ssh-keygen -t rsa
[14:34] <Smurphy> and don't put a password when it asks you.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> bjrohan, dunno if this will work with rsync , http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/3-steps-to-perform-ssh-login-without-password-using-ssh-keygen-ssh-copy-id/
[14:34] <bjrohan> Here is what I did
[14:34] <bjrohan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289438/
[14:35] <Smurphy> Not copy the ~/.ssh/ras-pub.key content int the remote site's authorized-keys file.
[14:35] <Smurphy> done.
[14:38] <genii-around> Smurphy: The second reply at http://askubuntu.com/questions/168986/cedar-view-drivers-arent-working looks interesting as related to your current video problem
[14:41] <Smurphy> genii-around: ack ...
[14:41] <Smurphy> Checking itnow ...
[15:05] <truexfan81> i'm having a problem with the GTK+Apperance tab on the application appearance control panel
[15:05] <truexfan81> doesn't seem to be applying the them to my gtk apps
[15:05] <truexfan81> theme*
[15:05] <truexfan81> 12.04
[15:05] <truexfan81> how do i fix this?
[15:08] <truexfan81> is the server throttling me again?
[15:14] <genii-around> truexfan81: What theme are you using?
[15:14] <truexfan81> oxygen-gtk
[15:14] <truexfan81> i have tried all the themes in the list
[15:14] <truexfan81> none have any effect
[15:17] <genii-around> truexfan81: Under search paths, what are listed?
[15:17] <truexfan81> /usr
[15:17] <truexfan81> /usr/local
[15:18] <truexfan81> /opt/gnome
[15:18] <truexfan81> /home/ds9/.local
[15:18] <genii-around> OK
[15:18] <truexfan81> sorry for the bold
[15:19] <truexfan81> hexchat kept wanting to use it as a command
[15:19] <genii-around> truexfan81: Under Gtk Configuration, do you have oxygen-gtk slected for both gt2 and gtk3 ?
[15:20] <genii-around> gt2->gtk2, typo
[15:20] <truexfan81> i don't have those options
[15:21] <truexfan81> under GTK+ Appearance i have a dropdown menu: Widget style, change search paths button, and a change font button
[15:22] <truexfan81> maybe i need to install something different?
[15:23] <truexfan81> kde-config-gtk-style is what got me that tab
[15:23] <genii-around> truexfan81: I seem to have the following installed: gtk2-engines-qtcurve kde-style-qtcurve kwin-style-qtcurve qtcurve qtcurve-i18n    ...I think it's somewhere in those
[15:27] <truexfan81> do i need to restart the gtk app to make it apply the changes?
[15:27] <genii-around> truexfan81: I would think so, yes
[15:27] <truexfan81> ok brb i hope
[15:28] <Guest30873> hi, am i the only one who gets an installer error after files have been copied and the installation itself has to begin? / kubuntu 12.10
[15:29] <truexfan81> fail
[15:29] <genii-around> Guest30873: Probably not. Can you put what it tells you in a pastebin for us to see?
[15:29] <truexfan81> i had this problem when i tried kubuntu 10.04, never did get it fixed
[15:30] <zorael> The big Kubuntu 12.10 logo on kubuntu.org still leads to the news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out news entry
[15:31] <Guest30873> genii-around: where do i see what the exact error was? is there a log on the live system or anything of this kind? I guess it said it couldn't install on a read-only system
[15:31] <truexfan81> ah ha success
[15:32] <akSeya> hi folks :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> TheLordOfTime, I just had to use -d to upgrade my laptop from 12.04 to 12.10
[15:32] <akSeya> i'm searching for a ipv6 mirror to download kubuntu 12.10 .. does anyone have one in the tip of the tong?
[15:32] <genii-around> Guest30873: So this is during an install from CD/DVD or from 12.04 upgrade using do-release-upgrade ?
[15:33] <Guest30873> genii-around: i tried to install from a USB stick, not release-upgrade
[15:34] <Guest30873> genii-around: i successfully installed other linux-es on the same partitions on my hard drive, and now it said the file system is read only. also i noticed the installer didn't ask for any sort of confirmation upon formatting the partitions - strange
[15:39] <tsimpson> akSeya: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors lists all the mirrors, you should be able to find a local IPv6 available server from there
[15:42] <akSeya> tsimpson, for kubuntu CDs, the few I tried redirects too cdimage server for versions abote 12.04 =/
[15:43] <akSeya> there is Ubuntu mirrors but not kubuntu.. why!? =/
[15:43] <akSeya> there are*
[15:43] <Guest30873> there used to be a text installer - is it available?
[15:44] <FlyingElvis> im having a slight problem...im trying to install msttcorefonts. kubuntu says they are installed, but that little confirmation window did not come up during the install process...how do i get these installed
[15:46] <DarthFrog> akSeya: there are bittorrents of Quantal.
[15:46] <akSeya> DarthFrog, can't use torrent here, must be ipv6
[15:47] <akSeya> =/
[15:48] <tsimpson> looks like most mirrors don't archive cdimage.u.c so you'll have to use a non-local one, but you should be able to use torrents over IPv6
[15:48] <tsimpson> akSeya: why do you specifically need an IPv6 mirror anyway?
[15:48] <genii-around> akSeya: http://askubuntu.com/questions/61975/how-to-access-archive-ubuntu-com-from-an-ipv6-only-machine
[15:49] <dougl> BluesKaj, you still here... I think it is only my user that is corrupt on my 12.04 install - Can I delete the user (there is only one besides root) without deleting the home dir then rename the dir and create a new user with the same name etc?
[15:49] <akSeya> genii-around, nice :)
[15:50] <genii-around> Guest30873: I see alternate images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[15:51] <Guest30873> genii-around: you're a genius, genii, thank you )
[15:52] <genii-around> Guest30873: I have not seen the behaviour you described before during the install, seems extremely odd. Do you have some very large number of partitions? There is a bug relating to that which i know of
[15:53] <Guest30873> genii-around: no, i don't have too many partitions - 3 ntfs one, 2 ext4 and 1 swap partition
[15:53] <Guest30873> ntfs ones*
[15:55] <Guest30873> it seems ubuntu dislikes my hard drive - it produces some cracking sounds during installation // I've never had it with opensuse or sabayon which I've had before trying to install kubuntu 12.10
[15:56] <keithzg_> Guest20873: Probably just because this is later in you using the drive, it's now writing to more disparate and distanced sectors.
[15:57] <Guest30873> genii-around: how do you think - might I bypass the issue with the installer if i try an alternate installer image?
[15:59] <genii-around> Guest30873: Possibly, it's difficult to know since we can't be sure what the cause of the problem is yet. The alternate does usually have some additional drivers, etc which may be at the root of it.
[16:00] <genii-around> ( if you have some onboard raid or odd chipset or so on )
[16:01] <Guest30873> no raids, no non-standard hardware
[16:01] <Guest30873> genii-around: i'll try anyway. thank you for your help
[16:01] <BluesKaj> yeah , the alternate is great for older pcs hardware recognition,
[16:02] <Guest30873> will give it a try. i hope it's not too comlicated to use )
[16:13] <CoJaBo> How do I turn off the "upgrade to Oneiric" nag prompt?
[16:18] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo: Edit /etc/update-manager
[16:21] <Guest30873> shit, the md5 sums don't match for alternate cd
[16:21] <IdleOne> please keep the language clean
[16:26] <Guest30873> yes, sorry
[16:27] <Guest30873> wow this is strange already - wrong md5sum for another iso of another distro. hmm. should i download both again?
[16:27] <shadeslayer> Guest30873: how are you downloading them?
[16:27] <shadeslayer> I suggest using a torrent
[16:28] <Guest30873> using konqueror
[16:28] <genii-around> Guest30873: I would suggest to try a torrent download where possible, since the program like ktorrent or so on will be automatically verifying the sections
[16:28] <genii-around> shadeslayer: There seems no torrents for the alternates
[16:28] <shadeslayer> yep, or zsync
[16:28] <shadeslayer> oh?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> wait ... is alternate even supported?
[16:28] <Guest30873> i'm afraid there is no torrent for alternate
[16:28] <akSeya> folks.. how can I install yakuake on ubuntu 12.10?
[16:29] <shadeslayer> I don't see alternate on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.10/release/
[16:29] <bazhang> !find yakuake
[16:29] <genii-around> shadeslayer: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ shows them there, but just straight iso downloads or else jigdo
[16:29] <akSeya> after I upgraded to 12.10 ubuntu removed all KDE packages :(
[16:29] <bazhang> akSeya, sudo apt-get install yakuake
[16:29] <shadeslayer> genii-around: I don't think alternate is supported
[16:30] <akSeya> bazhang, it says there is no candidate to install
[16:30] <shadeslayer> but I'm not completely sure
[16:30] <akSeya> if I try to install konsole, it says it depends on kde-runtime and that kde-runtime will not be installed
[16:30] <akSeya> why!?
[16:31] <Jimster480-Lapto> repo issue
[16:31] <genii-around> akSeya: Possibly you have entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list which are from other versions, or a PPA installed which is interfering
[16:31] <Jimster480-Lapto> its best to install the kde desktop or start installing the dependencies
[16:33] <akSeya> i just did a :%s/precise/quantal/g on my sources.list let's see what happens :P
[16:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: no, alternate isn't supported
[16:34] <shadeslayer> ^
[16:35] <yofel> genii-around: those are the last alternate images that were built, but there are no "released" alternate images
[16:35] <yofel> so use them at your own risk, we don't guarantee for anything
[16:36] <akSeya> now konsole has no candidate to install :S
[16:36] <genii-around> yofel: Good to know!
[16:37] <akSeya> folks.. could anyone pastebin kubuntu 12.10 sources.list ?
[16:38] <genii-around> akSeya: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289750/
[16:40] <akSeya> thanks genii-around
[16:41] <genii-around> akSeya: Should probably also check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/   for PPAs which might be part of the issue
[16:41] <akSeya> yeah, I deleted everything in there already
[16:48] <akSeya> genii-around, it worked with your sources ;) thanks
[16:48] <genii-around> akSeya: You're welcome
[16:59] <Guest30873> i cant believe it - wrong md5 sum after a torrent download again
[17:01] <yofel> genii-around: if you still ever need the text installer -> netboot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:03] <genii-around> yofel: I have a lubuntu-mini-32bit-no-PAE.iso that I had to use recently... from there I do the desktop install after of course
[17:05] <Guest30873> unfortunately 12.10 is not available for netinstall yet
[17:08] <yofel> duh, someone didn't add it on the wiki -.-
[17:08] <yofel> the images are there though
[17:08] <faLUCE> hi, is there a good inventory management system with barcode support for linux?
[17:19] <genii-around> faLUCE: I'm not sure about straight inventory software, but I do know that LemonPOS  ( point-of-sale ) has barcode and inventory parts in it
[17:26] <dougl> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade only updates 12.04 right it will not upgrade to 12.10 will it?
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> it shouldnt
[17:27] <dougl> thanks
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> do-release-upgrade would upgrade to 12.10
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> at least, as i understand it
[17:27] <dougl> TheLordOfTime, k - thanks
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:29] <dougl> my 12.10 install dvd will not boot on one of my machines... it has a mish-mash of ide and sata drives - the cd is ide.  Any thots on possible conflicts?
[17:30] <faLUCE> thnks genii-around
[17:43] <zefoij> i installed kubuntu 12.10 and i'm getting his error now: http://pastie.org/5085122
[17:55] <PasNox> Hi
[17:56] <PasNox> i just finished the kubuntu upgrade on my dell laptop. now even with fglrx installed
[17:56] <PasNox> no amd / ati tools want to run, kde does not want to activate it's effects and jockey wiew is empty  ( no driver / hardware listed .. ) any hint ?
[17:59] <genii-around> PasNox: You need to enable the "restricted" repository for those drivers to appear
[18:00] <PasNox> genii-around: ??
[18:00] <PasNox> the drivers are already isntalled according to what i can see :/
[18:01] <PasNox> genii-around:
[18:01] <genii-around> PasNox: You said the jockey view was empty, that would indicate probably not. .. Does: lsmod | grep fglrx     show it as loaded?
[18:02] <PasNox> genii-around: i'm sure they are installed, muon package manager tols me, and i force reinstall of all mesa / fglrx packages
[18:02] <PasNox> let me check the command
[18:03] <PasNox> genii-around: something is not good - lsmod doesn ot show something related to amd / ati / fglrx
[18:04] <PasNox> i tried
[18:04] <PasNox> sudo insmod fglrx
[18:04] <PasNox> no module found :(
[18:06] <Jimster480-Lapto> ?
[18:06] <Jimster480-Lapto> yea idk if fglrx is available yet
[18:06] <Jimster480-Lapto> i had a issue the other day with fglrx on the new kernel
[18:06] <Jimster480-Lapto> what kernel is 12.10 running?
[18:06] <PasNox> Jimster480-Lapto: it's installed at least :/
[18:06] <PasNox> dunno
[18:07] <PasNox> let me check
[18:07] <genii-around> !info linux-image quantal
[18:07] <PasNox> 3.5.0-17
[18:08] <genii-around> Jimster480-Lapto: Stock is the one bot shows, with dist-upgrade the current is what PasNox said
[18:09] <PasNox> anything i can do ?
[18:09] <PasNox> the fact it's not accelerated etc can pass
[18:10] <Jimster480-Lapto> oh its old stable
[18:10] <PasNox> but it too does not allow me to use the maximum screen size of my monitor which is 1440*900
[18:10] <Jimster480-Lapto> it should work with that version
[18:10] <Jimster480-Lapto> you should be able to do apt-get install fglrx*
[18:10] <PasNox> already done
[18:10] <PasNox> and even forced reinstall of all mesa / fglrx
[18:10] <PasNox> and jockey
[18:11] <PasNox> ah
[18:11] <PasNox> looks i add the fglrx thing
[18:11] <PasNox> i installed fglrx-updates one
[18:11] <PasNox> which remove the other
[18:11] <PasNox> and i see in the console it installed the modules
[18:11] <PasNox> what is the differences ?
[18:11] <Jimster480-Lapto> lol
[18:11] <ralsina> Hello, is there a version of qyoto packaged for kubuntu precise or quantal?
[18:11] <PasNox> i had*
[18:13] <PasNox> i tried to reinstall fglrx
[18:13] <Jimster480-Lapto> fglrx-updates is not the actual package that you need
[18:13] <Jimster480-Lapto> its not the driver
[18:13] <PasNox> from terminal and i see a lot of errors ( skipped alternative files becasue they are not part of package etc )
[18:13] <PasNox> strange :/
[18:14] <PasNox> from the description it looks exactly same thing than the fglrx thing
[18:15] <Jimster480-Lapto> try the fglrx-installer-updates
[18:15] <Jimster480-Lapto> and see if that works. And yea i just looked it up and it looks lke it might be the same thing. Which is weird.
[18:15] <Jimster480-Lapto> I wish I could get my fglrx working properly with my new 3.6.2 kernel
[18:16] <PasNox> fglrx doesn ot install ( it does not want to repalce existing files with symlink etc ) - which looks like why it does not works
[18:16] <PasNox> the other install but does not works too :/
[18:16] <Jimster480-Lapto> so uninstall the package that you have installed
[18:16] <Jimster480-Lapto> if you did force
[18:16] <Jimster480-Lapto> sometimes it breaks the whole thing
[18:16] <Jimster480-Lapto> i did that the other day
[18:16] <FloodBotK1> Jimster480-Lapto: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:17] <Ravage> i switched from fglrx to the open source radeon driver in 12.10. works better than ever :)
[18:17] <Jimster480-Lapto> because it puts a package in there that you dont have the right dependencies for and then it wont let you install the proper stuff.
[18:18] <PasNox> Ravage: what is the package ame ?
[18:18] <PasNox> Jimster480-Lapto: ok i'm purgin fglrx*
[18:18] <PasNox> and i will manually delete all fglrx remaning files
[18:18] <Ravage> PasNox, no need for any package. it comes with your X-server
[18:19] <PasNox> Ravage: simply purge all fglrx things ?
[18:19] <Jimster480-Lapto> yea if you purge it then the standard xorg-radeon takes over
[18:19] <Jimster480-Lapto> but ikd
[18:19] <Ravage> it should. yes
[18:19] <drostie> my review as an unimportant individual: unity is still too buggy to use on a daily basis but it's catching up to kde much faster than I'd have thought. :D
[18:19] <Jimster480-Lapto> yes you can do that and try the open source one. personally it completely sucks for me and now i have to run my laptop at low settings always and it still runs hot
[18:19] <Ravage> check for any weird fglrx stuff in /etc/X11
[18:19] <Ravage> (after purge)
[18:20] <PasNox> Ravage: ok thanks
[18:24] <PasNox> Ravage: no such files
[18:25] <Ravage> okay. so restart your x-server or reboot und hope for the best i guess :)
[18:25] <genii-around> Just make sure you don't have an xorg.conf which might be specifying fglrx
[18:25] <PasNox> Ravage: already done :/
[18:25] <PasNox> ok
[18:26] <Ravage> PasNox, what does glxinfo tell you?
[18:26] <Ravage> especially "direct rendering"
[18:26] <PasNox> looks it's not installed :/
[18:26] <Ravage> package is mesa-utils
[18:27] <PasNox> ok
[18:27] <oofus> Is it right that during a 12.04 to 12.10 upgrade, the lowlatency kernel will be installed and set as the default booting kernel ?
[18:28] <PasNox> and what that mean ?
[18:28] <Ravage> PasNox: glxinfo|grep "direct rendering"
[18:28] <Ravage> should be yes
[18:29] <PasNox> Ravage: print nothing :/ let me reboot the xorg
[18:29] <PasNox> ah fucking dams
[18:29] <PasNox> with the new lightdm thing
[18:29] <PasNox> there is no longer restart xorg menu
[18:29] <Tm_T> PasNox: language, please
[18:29] <PasNox> looks i have to do it from terminal
[18:30] <PasNox> so much regression at each major release :(
[18:30] <PasNox> Tm_T: sorry.
[18:30] <Ravage> sudo service lightdm restart
[18:30] <Ravage> should do it
[18:30] <PasNox> of course
[18:30] <PasNox> but it's not so friendly :)
[18:30] <yofel> oofus: usually not, unless you had something installed that needs it now
[18:30] <Ravage> i have always loved my console :)
[18:30] <PasNox> i love too
[18:30] <genii-around> !dontzap
[18:31] <oofus> yofel: not that I am aware of
[18:31] <genii-around> Hm
[18:31] <PasNox> but if i can reduce it, it's kool :)
[18:31] <oofus> yofel: thanks for the sanity check, I'll investigate further
[18:31] <PasNox> Ravage: ok it now print yes
[18:31] <PasNox> using xorg drivers ( not proprietary ones)
[18:32] <PasNox> but i'm still stucked with small screen size
[18:32] <Ravage> good. so you have hardware acceleration
[18:32] <PasNox> kde monitor panel does not allow me to choose 1440*900 :/
[18:32] <Ravage> you should be abe to change that in the settings i guess
[18:32] <PasNox> nop
[18:32] <Ravage> do you still have an xorg.conf?
[18:32] <Ravage> if yes rename it to .bak and restart X again
[18:32] <PasNox> disable / 1152*864 / 1024*768 / 800*60 are the only avaialble thing :/
[18:33] <Ravage> should autodetect everything anyway
[18:33] <PasNox> yes i have and it contain nothing special apart the log of the glx module
[18:33] <PasNox> ok let retry
[18:35] <PasNox> Ravage: stil not working :(
[18:35] <Ravage> i think i had the same problem yesterday. did a full system reboot
[18:35] <Ravage> and it worked
[18:35] <Ravage> my guess was that the flgrx module was still loaded
[18:35] <Ravage> and messed something up
[18:36] <PasNox> no it's not it never have been loaded xD
[18:36] <PasNox> let me first uninstall all these kernel headers / kernels that have isntalled since ages before rebooting
[18:37] <Ravage> give it a try anyways. sometimes it really works wonders
[18:37] <PasNox> what is the easiest way to purge kernel headers / old kernel ?
[18:37] <Ravage> i have a small bash script for that
[18:37] <Ravage> 1 sec
[18:37] <PasNox> i'm tired of having to check in thousant of result for kernel in muon
[18:38] <Ravage> warning: works for me. no warranty :P
[18:38] <Ravage> dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep linux-image | grep -v image-generic | grep -v `uname -r` | cut -d' ' -f3,4 | xargs apt-get remove -y;update-initramfs -u
[18:39] <Ravage> lastest kernel should be booted to make it work
[18:39] <PasNox> i'm on
[18:39] <PasNox> thank, let try
[18:40] <genii-around> *buntu really needs to get some linux-image and linux-headers management thing.
[18:40] <PasNox> looks like your script only remove linux-image and image-generic
[18:40] <PasNox> any hint for the kernel headers ?
[18:40] <Jimster480-Lapto> what about kernel headers
[18:41] <PasNox> there ids tons of them installed
[18:41] <PasNox> linux-headers-xxx
[18:43] <Ravage> dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep linux-headers | grep -v `uname -r` | cut -d' ' -f3,4 | xargs
[18:43] <Ravage> should print them
[18:43] <Ravage> check the list
[18:43] <genii-around> PasNox: I usually remove all of them then immediately reinstall the ones for the running kernel
[18:44] <Ravage> and add "apt-get remove"
[18:44] <PasNox> ok
[18:44] <Ravage> just make sure your running version is not in it :)
[18:44] <PasNox> why it's needed for ?
[18:45] <PasNox> dkms ?
[18:45] <Ravage> yes
[18:45] <PasNox> ok
[18:45] <Ravage> to build modules
[18:45] <PasNox> ok
[18:45] <PasNox> ah looks like it does remove the headers for mu current kernel ;) i will reinstall it :D
[18:45] <Ravage> and keep the  linux-headers-generic or  linux-headers-generic-pae package
[18:45] <Ravage> depends on which kernel you run
[18:45] <PasNox> ok
[18:46] <Jimster480-Lapto> i just uninstall apt-get
[18:46] <Jimster480-Lapto> JK LOL
[18:46] <Jimster480-Lapto> what linux kernel headers do u want installed?
[18:46] <PasNox> the one for the current version i'm running on
[18:46] <Ravage> yep
[18:48] <PasNox> one thing boring too
[18:49] <PasNox> is that now the kdesudo thing or admin password asker
[18:49] <PasNox> always list twice my username inside
[18:49] <Jimster480-Lapto> oh
[18:49] <Jimster480-Lapto> idk
[18:49] <Jimster480-Lapto> brb i have to test my new kernel
[18:49] <PasNox> so i have to choose a username then type the password for admin tasks boring
[18:52] <PasNox> Ravage: looks good for the screen size :)
[18:53] <PasNox> kde start session popup is in high res :)
[18:53] <PasNox> thanks
[18:53] <Ravage> np
[18:54] <PasNox> Ravage: any hint for the twice username in admin password requester dialog ?
[18:54] <Ravage> not really cause i still only have to enter my password
[18:55] <PasNox> k
[18:55] <PasNox> btw i tried to activate kwin effects
[18:55] <PasNox> and 7 ones does not want to run: problem: need opengl ?
[18:55] <PasNox> xD
[18:55] <PasNox> a&ny hint ?
[18:55] <Ravage> recheck direct rendering first
[18:56] <PasNox> ah cheked in advanced
[18:56] <PasNox> for unknown raeson it changed from opengl to xrender ...
[18:56] <PasNox> let retry
[18:56] <PasNox> ok, all is fine now :)
[18:58] <Jimster480-Lapto> k back
[18:58] <Jimster480-Lapto> my kernel works fien
[18:59] <PasNox> :)
[19:00] <PasNox> hm session ending popup does no longer offer to restart computer from other os like in previous kubuntu version :/ , same for the restart thing
[19:04] <dougl> what is the command to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10?
[19:04] <PasNox> i did not had the popup message for
[19:04] <PasNox> but i found : kdesudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde
[19:04] <PasNox> but it crash kdesudo for me so i can't upgrade
[19:04] <PasNox> xD
[19:05] <PasNox> (on my desktop)
[19:05] <PasNox> laptop is now fine
[19:05] <Jimster480-Lapto> i see
[19:05] <Jimster480-Lapto> well idk im on 10.10 so im not sure
[19:10] <Jimster480-Lapto> how do i get my contributions put into the official kernel?
[19:11] <Jacruth> Ey guys, I can't hear any sound from my ubuntu, how to diagnose it?
[19:14] <dougl> my 12.04 install is pooched... how can I upgrade to 12.10 with one command - ssh or console and I believe I can alt f2 something from gui but thats it.
[19:14] <dougl> !upgrade dougl
[19:15] <yofel> Jimster480-Lapto: you start by filing a bug against the 'linux' package on launchpad, documenting what the issue is and what you did to resolve it
[19:15] <PasNox> dougl: do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde
[19:15] <PasNox> no sudo / kdesudo and it worked for me
[19:15] <Jimster480-Lapto> no im not saying the ubuntu kernel yofel
[19:15] <Jimster480-Lapto> im saying the official kernel on kernel.org
[19:16] <Jimster480-Lapto> where can i submit my changes for approval?
[19:16] <dougl> PasNox, thanks
[19:16] <PasNox> np
[19:16] <shadeslayer> on the linux kernel mailing list ?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> IIRC all patches are posted there
[19:18] <shadeslayer> http://www.tux.org/lkml/
[19:18] <Jimster480-Lapto> okay ill look into it thanks.
[19:21] <dougl> PasNox, says there is no release upgrade?
[19:21] <PasNox> for my it found
[19:21] <yofel> dougl: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:21] <PasNox> but i had to change that in muon source package
[19:21] <PasNox> and change LTS to normal release
[19:22] <yofel> dougl: ah, you have no GUI currently?
[19:22] <dougl> no gui
[19:22] <yofel> ok, sec
[19:22] <dougl> well a blank one that is  barely useable... I can get to a run command in gui tho
[19:23] <yofel> edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:23] <yofel> and set Prompt=normal
[19:23] <yofel> save and run 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[19:23] <yofel> maybe an apt-get update in between
[19:24] <PasNox> anybody having tried nouveau driver with the new kubuntu here ?
[19:24] <dougl> yofel, thanks = will let you know
[19:29] <dougl> thanks guys yofel PasNox - is chugging along now :)
[19:29] <PasNox> dougl: np
[19:29] <dougl> PasNox, tried on 12.04
[19:30] <dougl> ... I never even noticed I was using nouveau
[19:31] <yofel> PasNox: used it for a while, worked about the same (good and bad) as on 12.04 for my hardware (a Quadro NVS 3100M)
[19:32] <PasNox> yofel: and regarding proprietary dirvers, + / - ?
[19:32] <yofel> nvidia-current works fine
[19:32] <yofel> if you meant how it compares:
[19:33] <genii-around> I was back and forth between nouveau and nvidia on my laptop with 9300M GS ... worked fine but wasn't able to get some higher resolutions I needed.
[19:33] <PasNox> yofel: i mean does i can do all i want using nouveau same i was doing with the proprietary thing ?
[19:33] <genii-around> ( even with xrandr )
[19:33] <yofel> performance is ~ok, but my display port doesn't work with nouveau and I do want to use it
[19:33] <PasNox> so it's 2d / 3d accelerated like proprietary one ?
[19:33] <yofel> when I plug something in X just freezes until I pull the cable out again
[19:34] <PasNox> xD
[19:34] <genii-around> yofel: Oh, yes, and my HDMI out didn't work either with nouveau
[19:34] <yofel> it has 3D support, a bit slower than the proprietary one though
[19:34] <PasNox> ok
[19:34] <PasNox> so i will still stay on nvidia drivers then.
[19:34] <PasNox> thanks
[19:34] <Jimster480-Lapto> brb shower
[19:35] <Guest84550> Hi, I have a fresh install of Kubuntu 12.10 and am trying to set up the addtional driver for ATI graphics... The GUI is showing 2 identical options  with identical descriptions. Which should I choose and what is the difference?
[19:35] <Jimster480-Lapto> yea the ATI ones suck really badly, atlesat the versions that i have :(
[19:35] <yofel> depends on what you need. For daily use it's fine, but I do prefer the proprietary driver when I play minecraft :P
[19:35] <Jimster480-Lapto> well if they are teh same versions it shouldnt matter which one you pick.
[19:35] <Jimster480-Lapto> yofel: well for me the open one doesnt control my fans properly and overheats my laptop unless i have it set on low
[19:35] <Guest84550> Jimster it doesn't show version numbers, just a generic description
[19:36] <yofel> Jimster480-Lapto: ouch
[19:36] <Guest84550> is there a way to determine the difference or version numbers between them?
[19:36]  * yofel hates it when the cooling isn't designed for hardware running at the limit
[19:36] <PasNox> Guest84550: i just drop the idea to isntall them because they did not worked after installed xD
[19:36] <PasNox> i jsut use he xorg driver and looks to works fine
[19:37] <Guest84550> really? did it break your system?
[19:37] <Guest84550> the proprietary drivers i mean
[19:37] <PasNox> no it did not
[19:37] <PasNox> but it simply does not isntall it correctly and the module does not run
[19:37] <Guest84550> oh okay.. hmm
[19:38] <Guest84550> strange
[19:38] <efes> hello :) Where's my KDE's trashbin ( path ) ?
[19:38] <PasNox> the fglrx-updates things looked to installed without errors
[19:38] <Guest84550> thanks for the info
[19:38] <PasNox> but i did not reboot to try if it was ok
[19:38] <PasNox> np
[19:38] <Guest84550> ok cool thanks
[19:39] <yofel> efes: ~/.local/share/Trash
[19:39] <yofel> if you mean the filesystem location
[19:39] <jmzc> hi
[19:39] <jmzc> one OT question : is there any difference between gel and min-gel phone covers ?
[19:40] <efes> yofel: : Thanks :) That's what I meant
[19:45] <snowrichard> hi
[20:01] <mudassar> I have problem with libreOffice ..... I am using Kubuntu 11.04
[20:01] <mudassar> how to apply patches to libreoffice ???
[20:02] <mudassar> is there any updates for it ? It is not reliable and hanges on different operations
[20:02] <mudassar> plz help
[20:06] <glisstech> hello and thanks in advance
[20:07] <genii-around> mudassar: 11.04 is no longer supported
[20:07] <glisstech> I am having an issue where I cannot ping out from my Kubuntu 12.04 system
[20:08] <genii-around> glisstech: How is it connected ?
[20:08] <glisstech> for instance, i am unable to ping 4.2.2.2, though I can ping localhost or the hostname of the system. I have a vbox Win7 system that can ping out with no issue
[20:08] <glisstech> genii-around: it is a wired connection on eth0
[20:09] <genii-around> glisstech: Normally it would get dhcp by a router/modem or is some static or manual setup?
[20:13] <genii-around> glisstech: eg: if dhcp normally then you can try sudo dhclient -r eth0&& sudo dhclient eth0   and see if it can ping after that.
[20:14] <Guest93344> hi does anyone know ifyou have to do anything to xorg or drivers to get a tv to work plugged into hdmi - mine won't come up as a display on a fresh install of 12.10, it used to work on older versions though
[20:18] <genii-around> Guest93344: does xrandr show that there is HDMI-0 output which is disconnected, or no HDMI-0 line in the output at all?
[20:19] <Guest93344> genii-around: hi thanks for helping. no xrandr only shows my vga display...
[20:19] <genii-around> Guest93344: So my wild guess is that you have an nvidia card and are on the nouveau driver?
[20:20] <genii-around> work, afk 5-7 minutes
[20:21] <Guest93344> genii-around: this is my computer, which is intel - http://www.asus.com/Barebone_PC/T_Series_1820L/T5P5G41E/
[20:22] <Jimster480-Lapto> k
[20:28] <genii-around> Guest67992: Bleh, Intel GMA stuff!
[20:30] <jonah_> genii-around: do you know anyway I can get the display on? It doesn't show in the display section in settings either
[20:30] <genii-around> jonah_: Are you the person with the GMA X4500 and no hdmi output?
[20:31] <jonah_> genii-around: hi sorry yes i am, i tried installing some drivers and rebooted but it still doesn't work
[20:32] <genii-around> jonah_: If you plug in the TV and make sure it ( TV) is paying attention on that hdmi input, then reboot the system, does xrandr show an hdmi entry?
[20:33] <jonah_> genii-around: no nothing still, just rebooted it and tried
[20:38] <genii-around> jonah_: Does lsmod  show snd-hda-codec-hdmi ?
[20:38] <jonah_> genii-around: yes that's there
[20:38] <genii-around> Hm.
[20:41] <dougl> can I install 12.10 over 12.04 and preserve my 12.04 user data - her entire home directory?
[20:42] <jonah_> genii-around: just installing linux-firmware-nonfree to see if that helps so will reboot now again...
[20:43] <genii-around> jonah_: Could you please pastebin complete lsmod results, as well as lspci -nn ,  /var/log/Xorg.0.log  contents, and if it exists, the .xsession-errors file from your home directory
[20:43] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: thanks (sorry, lost wifi right after that)
[20:44] <gits1225> dougl: If during install, the format option (in the partition step) is not ticked, it should be fine. But, I'd back-up if I were you before doing something like that.
[20:44] <dougl> gits1225, k - thanks
[20:44] <genii-around> dougl: Or, do instead do-release-upgrade from in 12.04
[20:44] <jonah_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/1DSn5UKs
[20:45] <gits1225> Also, don't use a different filesystem. If ext4 then the new install should be ext4 as well. No brainer, but, just a remainder.
[20:45] <jonah_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/UScidp8T
[20:45] <gits1225> dougl: ^^
[20:45] <dougl> genii-around, I did that already... completed with errors when I rebooted the machine was really borked... 12.04 wass borked to begin with tho
[20:46] <genii-around> dougl: Ah, Ok. So I'd also go with gits1225's suggestion in that case
[20:46] <genii-around> jonah_: Interesting, looks like it's going to the i915 driver
[20:47] <jonah_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/AwpRjCd3
[20:48] <genii-around> jonah_: This is a virtualized machine ?
[20:48] <jonah_> genii-around: no this is a desktop pc, is it using the wrong driver then?
[20:49] <genii-around> jonah_: Not sure yet... I see drivers like kvm_intel for instance which seems very strange.
[20:52] <genii-around> jonah_: By virtualized... I mean more like are you running your Kubuntu from inside of Windows or another operating system, etc
[20:52] <jonah_> genii-around:hi sorry no, this is the host system. kubuntu is all i use
[20:53] <White> hello, I updated my 12.04 to 12.12 with the muon update manager but while updating some packages it just froze there doing nothing for hours, tried to close it and run the update again but nothing happens, also seems it also its eating all my CPU but strangely i can run everything ok, what do i do? thanks
[20:54] <dougl> 12.10 will not boot on my box... says unable to find live file system = any suggestions?
[20:55] <White> *12.10, hope I didnt insult anyone with this, kinda stressed atm.
[20:58] <sourav_> heloo
[20:59] <sourav_> is there a difference between gnome network manager and knetworkmanager
[21:00] <jonah_> genii-around: be right back, may as well try another reboot...
[21:01] <glisstech> genii-around: I am still unable to ping anything other than iterations of localhost after running the command sudo dhclient -r etho0&& sudo dhclient eth0. Any other ideas what could have caused this? I suspect some update to iptables, but I don't even know what to look for in the configuration
[21:02] <jonah_> genii-around: no still nothing, and also tried a different hdmi port on tv but it's not working...
[21:04] <genii-around> jona, but none of them really look useful to this case, unfortunatelyh_: I'm trying now to look up all the module parameters for the i915 driver
[21:04] <genii-around> Meh, touchpad fail
[21:05] <genii-around> glisstech: Does ifconfig eth0  show an IP associated with it? .... if so can you ping the local gateway ?
[21:06] <jonah_> genii-around: thanks i appreciate any help
[21:07] <glisstech> genii-around: eth0 pulls an IP just fine, I have connectivity to the LAN and WAN, but cannot ping the gateway, or any address other than "localhost" "hostname" and IP address of the machine. My vbox windows pings everything with no issue using the same NIC
[21:08] <glisstech> genii-around: I also find it interesting that even though ipv6 is disabled, ifconfig shows an ipv6 inet address
[21:10] <genii-around> glisstech: You have ipv6 disabled in your sysctl.conf ?
[21:11] <genii-around> work, afk 3-5 minutes
[21:11] <glisstech> genii-around: no...just in NetworkManager
[21:13] <genii-around> glisstech: Hm. What says result of cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6  ?
[21:14] <glisstech> genii-around: output is 0
[21:18] <Guest63021> genii-around: hi back again, did anything turn up on the gma x4500 driver for xorg?
[21:21] <genii-around> glisstech: So it wasn't disabled :-/   I'd try steps 2 or so at http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/05/how-to-disable-ipv6-under-ubuntu.html   and then retry the dhclient
[21:22] <genii-around> Guest63021: I haven't yet had time, i am at work and trying to wrap up some last-minute stuff, apologies
[21:22] <Guest63021> genii-around: ok thanks let me know if you come up with anything, i'll post in xorg room too to see if anyone can help. thanks again
[21:28] <Guest63021> hi can anyone please please help. I've plugged my tv into my hdmi port but i'm not getting any output from my pc which is running kubuntu 12.10 - xrandr doesn't show the display and not sure how to get this working. My graphics are integrated intel GMA x4500
[21:28] <Guest63021> thanks for any help at all getting this to work
[21:30] <dougl> I have had root canals that have gone easier than this 12.10 install... install medium seems to disappear or some such thing and medium will not boot = any suggestions?
[21:31] <L3top> dougl: are you using a cd?
[21:31] <dougl> L3top, cd, usb telepathy... tried them all
[21:32] <L3top> !info i965-va-driver | Guest67992 this might help... seems to be magic for a lot of things.
[21:39] <L3top> dougl: how did you create the usb
[21:40] <dougl> L3top, http://www.pendrivelinux.com
[21:41] <L3top> try unetbootin dougl
[21:41]  * dougl googling unetbootin
[21:42] <L3top> dougl: there are a few issues currently. 1 it is like 800mb, which is too big for a cd. 2 the version of syslinux is not necessarily backwards compatable. 3 Startup Disk Creator is broken in quantal.
[21:44] <Guest61175> Anyone know how to change the KRunner global shortcut to the Windows/Meta key?
[21:46] <yofel> you can't just use meta, I have it on meta+space though
[21:46] <yofel> system settings -> shortcuts on gestures -> global -> run command interface -> run command
[21:47] <Guest61175> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm okay, thanks, that is close enough I guess. Thanks again for the help Yofel :)
[21:54] <BarkingFish> evening guys :)
[21:54] <BarkingFish> Has anyone noticed that the size of the font in the tty has gone from tiny to absolutely hugenormous?
[21:55] <BarkingFish> It happened to me when I upgraded to 12.10 yesterday, and it's a pain in the backside -  i've tried to do some fiddling with grub to alter a couple of things, remade the config and it's not taking, grub2 is still booting with original settings.
[21:56] <BarkingFish> I've tried to set the default bootline for grub to: nomodeset verbose noplymouth vt_handoff=7
[21:57] <artao> EMERGENCY!!!! ... plasma won't start .. or something ... I'm lucky Quassel is open or I'd be totally screwed ... i've got NOTHING here ... black desktop, no widgets, no panels .. nothing but Quassel ... i've rebooted twice and each time i get a crash handler telling me "Executable: plasma-desktop PID: 1710 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[21:58] <artao> I had been trying to use a tiny-web-browser panel widget
[21:58] <artao> it crashed and too plasma with it. now I can't get plasma back
[21:58] <artao> HELP!!!
[21:58] <artao> :\
[21:58] <BarkingFish> artao, have you tried to reboot?
[21:58] <artao> twice
[21:59] <BarkingFish> ok, next thing I'm gonna ask you to do is reinstall plasma-desktop.
[21:59] <genii-around> artao: I would suggest mv .kde .oldkde   just to get up and running
[21:59] <artao> aww man
[21:59] <artao> no way
[22:00] <artao> c'mon there's gotta be ... can't i try to restart plasma from a CLI or something?
[22:00] <artao> i'm using kubuntu backports and Xorg PPAs, so re-installing plasma sounds very very un-fun
[22:00] <BarkingFish> artao, go with what genii-around said above - it's probably easier.
[22:01] <BarkingFish> if you're using PPAs, that's a risk you take :)  I've fallen down that hole before :P
[22:01] <BarkingFish> last time resulted in a full reinstall :(
[22:01] <artao> it was this stoopid tiny-browser that did this
[22:01] <genii-around> artao: If moving the .kde dir works, you can selectively copy over stuff from the .oldkde to the working .kde
[22:02] <genii-around> ( to get back a lot of your previous setup )
[22:02] <artao> crap
[22:02] <artao> crapcrapcrapcrapcrap
[22:02] <artao> :\
[22:04] <Tech-1> ok, i decided to try 12.10 after not using kde for 10 yrs
[22:04] <yofel> BarkingFish: do you use the Ubuntu font in Konsole?
[22:04] <Tech-1> where is .gkrellm2 at ?, i have a theme to install
[22:05] <yofel> !info gkrellm
[22:05] <BarkingFish> yofel, I have no idea.
[22:05] <Tech-1> i have it installed i just cant find that file to install another theme
[22:06] <yofel> BarkingFish: check the theme settings (right click -> edit current profile)
[22:06] <BarkingFish> I'm not talking about the konsole, I'm talking about the actual tty at ctrl+alt+f(whatever)
[22:06] <yofel> oh
[22:06] <yofel> hm
[22:06] <BarkingFish> it's bloody huge
[22:06] <BarkingFish> hang on and I'll show you :)
[22:06] <yofel> you're probably in text mode
[22:07] <genii-around> artao: Any joy?
[22:07] <yofel> so the resolution is wrong. A proper resolution needs either KMS or manual settings
[22:07] <artao> well, at least i have a desktop again
[22:07] <artao> =]
[22:07] <bbeck> Is anyone else upgrading, and finding the "Installing the upgrades" step seems to be taking longer than it ever has?  muon is suggesting that the process is going to take eight more hours.
[22:07] <Tech-1> lol
[22:07] <artao> thx genii-around
[22:07] <Tech-1> id just partition the drive and install new
[22:07] <artao> now to see what i can recover
[22:07] <artao> :\
[22:07] <artao> o joy
[22:07] <Tech-1> ya
[22:07] <BarkingFish> yofel: i'll give you an idea, the text in the tty is probably about a half inch high
[22:07] <artao> at least it's not a re-install
[22:08] <yofel> that shouldn't take 8 hours (well with btrfs maybe)
[22:08] <genii-around> artao: If you pastebin ls -lR .oldkde I may be able to find where that browser thing is and help you get back to where you were before
[22:08] <genii-around> artao: ( assuming you did the mv .kde .oldkde )
[22:08] <yofel> BarkingFish: and the monitor size is..? text mode has a fixed number of lines, so the height would be screen dependent ;)
[22:09] <artao> mmkay
[22:09] <yofel> BarkingFish: what graphics card do you have?
[22:10] <BarkingFish> monitor is Dell E151FP, which I think is either 15 or 17 inch, and the graphics card is an nVidia Geforce 6200 TurboCache
[22:11] <yofel> what driver are you using, nouveau or nvidia?
[22:12] <artao> um .. genii-around ... that'd be "ls -lR | pastebinit" .. yes?
[22:13] <BarkingFish> no idea, hold on and I'll tell you :)
[22:13] <BarkingFish> nvidia, yofel
[22:13] <yofel> ok yeah, that'll use text mode for tty's as it has no KMS support
[22:14] <diane_> hello
[22:14] <diane_> i need help... is someone out there?
[22:15] <BarkingFish> and this is what I'm seeing: http://imgur.com/VwjMS
[22:15] <genii-around> artao: Actually, maybe hold off a minute ( but yes, that would be the command ). Did you install it by manually pointing it at a file you downloaded?
[22:15] <BarkingFish> oh shostakovich. How do I get rid of it and go back to using nouveau, yofel? :)
[22:15] <yofel> BarkingFish: 'sudo jockey-text -d nvidia-current' I believe
[22:15] <artao> maybe it's just taking a really long time? i dunno here
[22:15] <BarkingFish> excellent :) brb
[22:15] <yofel> BarkingFish: you could also set the tty resolution by hand, but that's a bit of work
[22:15] <yofel> !someone | diane_
[22:16] <BarkingFish> yofel, this is weird.  jockey-text says nvidia-current is an "unknown driver"
[22:16] <BarkingFish> but nvidia is in my lsmod, nouveau is not
[22:16] <yofel> sorry, I was guessing that as I rarely use jockey
[22:17] <diane_> i'm trying to stop this irc from showing up on my desktop how do I fix this so stop showing up?
[22:17] <glisstech> genii-around: I'll try that, thanks for your help
[22:18] <yofel> BarkingFish: 'sudo jockey-text -d nvidia_current' should be right
[22:18] <yofel> or xorg:nvidia_current
[22:18] <diane_> can someone help me?
[22:18] <Guest20792> hi can anyone please help get my gma x4500 integrated intel graphics driver to work with hdmi out? thanks for any help
[22:18] <yofel> diane_: do you mean quassel?
[22:19] <diane_> yes.. quassel , keep coming up and don't want to chat with anyone
[22:19] <diane_> so how do i stop this or unstall it..I don't need it..
[22:19] <BarkingFish> ok - well I just tried to modprobe nouveau, and it comes up with FATAL: Module Off not found
[22:19] <yofel> File->Quit should usually make it quit. And it shouldn't start again if it's really terminated.
[22:19] <artao> is pastebin down or something?
[22:19] <yofel> BarkingFish: you can't use nouveau while nvidia is in use
[22:20] <BarkingFish> yeah, but I can't modprobe -r nvidia because it's in use :P
[22:20] <yofel> BarkingFish: yeah, you'll have to reboot
[22:20] <BarkingFish> oh shoot.
[22:20] <BarkingFish> ok then, guess I'll have to go sort that now.  What I want is nouveau as default, and the nvidia module not to load
[22:21] <diane_> so  it  quit.. then not suppose start up your saying.. okay try it.. but every time reboot it turn on for no resason
[22:21] <genii-around> artao: Anyhow... possibly inside of the .oldkde/share/config/ directory, one of these files:  plasma-appletsrc  plasma-desktop-appletsrc plasma-desktoprc or plasmarc     ...might contain references to the offending widget somewhere, you could scan through them, remove any references to it, etc
[22:21] <yofel> BarkingFish: once the nvidia driver is removed nouveau will be used again
[22:21] <yofel> BarkingFish: nvidia blocks nouveau while it's installed
[22:21] <jonah_> hi sorry got disconnected but my question was can anyone please help get my gma x4500 integrated intel graphics driver to work with hdmi out? thanks for any help
[22:21] <diane_> thank for all the help..
[22:21] <diane_> bye
[22:22] <BarkingFish> yeah, but removed permanently is what I want, is that rmmod or modprobe -r
[22:22] <yofel> diane_: if could be an issue with the session restore
[22:22] <yofel> if it comes up again we can try something else
[22:22] <artao> genii-around: i'll look ... this pasting business is taking awhile
[22:23] <yofel> BarkingFish: another way without jockey: 'sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current; mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.bak}'
[22:23] <artao> i did an "ls -lR > ls.txt" ... the resultant file is 6.5 megs
[22:23] <yofel> then reboot
[22:23] <artao> =S
[22:24] <BarkingFish> it's going now, yofel
[22:25] <BarkingFish> can i just confirm that the bit after xorg.conf is left curly brace then a comma?
[22:25] <BarkingFish> the font i use in xchat is snafu
[22:26] <yofel> curly brace - comma - point - bak - curly brace
[22:26] <BarkingFish> yup, ok then. Looks like everything is good this end, I'mma reboot. back in a couple of ticks.
[22:26] <BarkingFish> :)
[22:28] <genii-around> jonah_: I would be interested to know if you load the i915 driver with the option: lvds_channel_mode=2      if the hdmi will show up after in xrandr. To do this though:  logout, ctrl-alt-f1 and login there... sudo stop kdm (or lightdm,whatever you have)  then: sudo modprobe -r i915 && sudo modprobe i915 lvds_channel_mode=2    then sudo start kdm (lightdm, whatever)  alt-f7 , log back in and then try the xrandr   again...   if lightdm/kdm fails
[22:28] <genii-around> then just do: sudo modprobe -r i915 && modprobe  i915
[22:28] <genii-around> ( and then of course the sudo start kdm/lightdm )
[22:30] <jonah_> genii-around: ok will try this now thanks very much
[22:36] <jonah_> genii-around: hi just tried that but it said "FATAL: module is in use" so I think I needed to stop X somehow as well as lightdm...
[22:42] <genii-around> jonah_: Well, there is another tactic. You can put the module options in /etc/modules  like: i915 lvds_channel_mode=2        in there. Then next boot that should be what it uses. But the problem becomes if it is some option which again makes X unusable, you have to boot to recovery mode, remove the line, reboot
[22:42] <jonah_> genii-around: ok how do i add the line in? do you think this will work?
[22:42] <sithlord48> does anyone know how to set user images with lightdm?
[22:42] <genii-around> jonah_: Normally from konsole or terminal to: sudo nano /etc/modules        add the line, ctrl-x to exit, enter to save with same name
[22:43] <genii-around> jonah_: This will work for you in recovery mode as well to remove it if needed
[22:43] <glisstech> genii-around: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 now outputs "1" but I still cant ping my gateway address or anything else other than the localhost
[22:43] <genii-around> glisstech: is ifconfig still showing some ipv6 address?
[22:43] <glisstech> genii-around: Nope, no inet6 address at all
[22:45] <jonah_> genii-around: weird, all it did was jumble my desktop icons up and put them lower on the screen. I've still no hdmi out and it still doesn't show any other connections in xrandr...
[22:46] <genii-around> jonah_: Damn. I'm out of immediate ideas. Since we can't even see the hdmi there's no way to really configure it. But the problem is lower down someplace in the driver or maybe boot options, is what I'm suspecting
[22:47] <jonah_> genii-around: this is awful, I'm desperate to use this display... is there nothing else we can do?
[22:47] <genii-around> glisstech: Is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[22:47] <jonah_> genii-around: i can't even fit a better graphics card because the tower is so small and only has a spare PCI slot not PCI-e and the cards with hdmi ports on wouldn't fit in the space...
[22:48] <jonah_> genii-around: looking back through dmesg i can see this: "[    2.419559] input: HDA Intel HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input4
[22:48] <jonah_> "
[22:48] <genii-around> jonah_: Well, to file a bug of course is the next step. I would think against the xserver-xorg-video-intel package
[22:49] <glisstech> genii-around: only line is "nameserver 127.0.0.1" is that the default?
[22:49] <genii-around> jonah_: Yes, that's the intel hda driver I asked before if was loaded
[22:49] <genii-around> glisstech: Yes
[22:49] <artao> is there a way to make gedit NOT create an additional blank file when i open a file from a file browser?
[22:49] <jonah_> genii-around: why not the xserver-xorg-video-intel package?
[22:50] <jonah_> genii-around: oh file the bug against that package you mean?
[22:50] <genii-around> glisstech: But then, do you have any entries in /etc/hosts which are not your local machine?
[22:50] <genii-around> jonah_: Yes :-) to file the bug against that package so it gets to the right people working on it
[22:52] <glisstech> genii-around: only lines are both IP address 127.0.0.1 for localhost, and the machines hostname
[22:54] <genii-around> glisstech: OK. When you authenticate to your ISP, the computer usually does the username/password,  or does the intermediate piece of equipment like the router or modem do that?  ( eg: does the virtualized win7 on the same box have some outward-facing IP or does it get an internal range )
[22:55] <genii-around> work, back in 3-5 minutes
[22:56] <glisstech> genii-around: authentication isn't necessary (cable) and the Win7 virtual system is on the same internal subnet as the Kubuntu host
[22:57] <yofel> wb BarkingFish, still working?
[22:57] <artao> YES!! i think i found the offending widget in one of those files!! copying my oldkde into my new .kde
[22:57] <artao> =]
[22:57] <artao> and rebooting
[22:57]  * artao crosses his fingers
[22:57] <BarkingFish> yofel, the tty's are normal now - i have text that doesn't assume I'm partially sighted by default :D
[22:58] <BarkingFish> i'm still mystified on my issue with ndiswrapper though - 1.57's dkms won't build against 3.5.0-17-generic, and trying a fix on LP tells me 1.58rc1 doesn't have a binary :)
[22:59] <BarkingFish> i'm having to get on the net using 3.2.0-32-51, which still has an ndiswrapper version built for it
[22:59] <jonah_> genii-around: thanks for trying with me! I've filed a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1068896
[23:00] <yofel> :/
[23:00] <BarkingFish> i was talking to actionparsnip about it last night, yofel - it seems to be not just me it's bothering.
[23:00] <jonah_> genii-around: if possible could you add a few notes as to summarise what we tried etc as I'm not very techy... thanks very much if you can. and thanks again for your help
[23:00] <jonah_> genii-around: lets hope someone can fix this soon
[23:00] <BarkingFish> 24 people have already filed this :)
[23:01] <BarkingFish> I'll link you to it, you might be able to chip in if you have any ideas :)  bug 1023645 , yofel.
[23:01] <genii-around> glisstech: Is the dhcp release/renew with: sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0     gaining an ip address for the host after the ipv6 disabling?
[23:02] <yofel> BarkingFish: probably not as I haven't used ndiswrapper in years, but I'll have a look
[23:02] <genii-around> artao: Any joy?
[23:02] <artao> well, i appear to be back up with my system as it was prior to the meltdown
[23:03] <artao> so YEGADS genii-around ... thank you SO much for your help
[23:03] <artao> i never woulda found that crap myself
[23:03]  * genii-around bookmarks the hdmi bug to add comments later
[23:04] <genii-around> artao: Glad to assist.
[23:04] <artao> you certainly saved my sanity
[23:05] <artao> i'm lucky Quassel was running on reboot really
[23:06] <yofel> BarkingFish: looks like you need to build ndiswrapper by hand for now, can't find 1.58 in debian either :/
[23:08] <michaelc22> question does kubuntu have cookies + flash cookies + cache if so is there way to delete it?
[23:08] <BarkingFish> How do I build it by hand, yofel?
[23:08] <BarkingFish> I've tried using the fix in that bug, to get dkms to build it, and that failed miserably
[23:08] <yofel> let's se...
[23:08] <yofel> nah, that's a build failure, you'll need an ndiswrapper that builds against 3.5
[23:10] <BarkingFish> that's what i mean. Someone in that bug reckons they got 1.58rc1 to build against 3.5.0-17 generic
[23:10] <BarkingFish> i'll be blowed sideways if I can do it
[23:10] <yofel> well, I just confirmed that it compiles, give me a minute
[23:10] <yofel> BarkingFish: 1) download 1.58rc1
[23:11] <yofel> 2) uninstall any ndiswrapper version you currently have
[23:11] <michaelc22> question does kubuntu have cookies + flash cookies + cache if so is there way to delete it?
[23:11] <yofel> 3) untar the source somewhere and go into that directory in Konsole
[23:12] <BarkingFish> michaelc22, please wait a few moments for someone to get back to you - you only asked 4 minutes ago :D
[23:12] <michaelc22> ok
[23:12] <BarkingFish> yofel, i already have 1.58rc1 downloaded and untarred :D
[23:12] <yofel> BarkingFish: 4) run 'make' - does it build fine?
[23:12] <BarkingFish> no idea, give me a moment and I'll check :)
[23:13] <yofel> I'm assuming that the dkms package already pulled in the kernel headers
[23:14] <BarkingFish> building it now
[23:14] <BarkingFish> i just had to go find it
[23:14] <BarkingFish> and the headers for 3.5.0-17 are already installed :)
[23:14] <BarkingFish> yup, it build manually
[23:15] <BarkingFish> *built
[23:15] <yofel> good, now run 'sudo make install'
[23:15] <BarkingFish> damn - it's making it against the kernel i'm in now :)
[23:15] <yofel> install your driver how you would usually, then 'sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[23:15] <yofel> and pray it works
[23:15] <yofel> oh
[23:15] <yofel> yeah :/
[23:15] <yofel> hm
[23:15] <FloodBotK1> yofel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:16] <yofel> -.-
[23:16] <BarkingFish> mkdir -p -m 755 /lib/modules/3.2.0-32-generic/misc
[23:16] <BarkingFish> :P
[23:16] <BarkingFish> right, i'll reboot into 3.5.0-17 and remake it there, and reinstall it - let's see how this works :)
[23:16] <yofel> wait
[23:17] <BarkingFish> k, i'm waiting :)
[23:17] <yofel> well, that'll probably work. Other way would be to edit a line in the makefile
[23:18] <yofel> maybe just try rebooting
[23:18] <BarkingFish> well I'll see how I go.  I'll see if it makes against 3.5.0-17 and just go from there
[23:19] <BarkingFish> back in a tick, rebooting
[23:19]  * genii-around makes some tasty cupcakes and coffee for yofel
[23:20] <yofel> yummie, thanks :)
[23:20] <genii-around> Anytime of course!
[23:22] <genii-around> Anyhow, I must leave. I hope glisstech will get some assistance, although they seemed to not have been responsive in the last little while.
[23:22] <artao> can anyone tell me the linux equivalent of the windows CLI 'tracert' command?
[23:23] <michaelc22> someone answer my question
[23:25] <DarthFrog> !patience | michaelc22
[23:26] <artao> nvm. found it. installed it. traceroute. simple. obvious.
[23:27] <yofel> michaelc22: rekonq does have a cache directory somewhere, but I can't remember where it is
[23:27] <yofel> other browsers have their own cache dirs
[23:28] <michaelc22> so flash is in browser?
[23:28] <yofel> that I do not know
[23:29] <michaelc22> doesnt the kubunu havve something like crap cleaner?
[23:32] <OerHeks> michaelc22, for your browser, find ~/. -iname '*.sol'  (for flash cookies)
[23:33] <michaelc22> i use firefox
[23:40] <glisstech> genii-around: sorry, I am dealing with other issues here outside of my ping problems. Yes, I get a dhcp address with no issue. I have a DD-WRT router that handles DHCP, and this machine gets a reserved IP on the local subnet.