[03:40] <pitti> Good morning
[04:46] <didrocks> good morning
[04:47] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[04:47] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[04:48] <pitti> didrocks: quite fine, thanks! how about yourself?
[04:48] <didrocks> pitti: I'm good, thanks
[07:23] <rickspencer3> good morning all
[07:25] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3
[07:25] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[07:26] <rickspencer3> what's the French community saying today about 12.10?
[07:26] <rickspencer3> c'est bon?
[07:26] <didrocks> rickspencer3: not as many downloads as for previous releases, seems people want to wait a little bit before downloading
[07:27] <didrocks> rickspencer3: also, as we have a rock solid LTS, I think a lot of them won't upgrade for the first time in years
[07:27] <rickspencer3> didrocks, interesting, why do you think that is?
[07:27] <didrocks> they like precise :)
[07:27]  * rickspencer3 nods
[07:27] <didrocks> I had the same feeling yesterday evening in ubuntu-lyon
[07:27] <didrocks> (I went to the evening event, for helping upgrades/installs)
[07:28] <didrocks> just my feeling, it seems but strong LTS release are not good for later intermediate ones!
[07:28] <didrocks> … which is a good thing in some way ;)
[07:28] <rickspencer3> well, yeah
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:38] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> well, that should keep the webapps guys busy. been picking firefox crashes out of the crash database for them this morning :)
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks, how are you?
[08:39] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks :)
[08:39] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh ;)
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=Firefox%3A16.0.1&platform=linux&range_value=1&range_unit=days&date=10%2F19%2F2012+08%3A34%3A15&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=&reason=&build_id=&process_type=browser&hang_type=crash&do_query=1
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> number 4 ;)
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> that's just for the last 24 hours. if i look at the last week, that crash is number 11
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> it's going to overtake all of them quite quickly :(
[08:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can you contact them and work with them to get those fixed?
[08:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I think we will need to help them to get a better firefox plugin
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah. they're all going to be travelling next week aren't they?
[08:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: right, most of them starting wednesday
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> i wonder whether to just fix it for them before this appears on mozilla's radar
[08:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so that's plenty of time to get some fixes in first! :)
[08:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: agreed
[08:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: would be bad to have it disabled :p
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-October/msg00056.html ;)
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> systemd now a hard dependency of gnome-settings-daemon....
[09:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: "sweet", this will make our life easier of course…
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> indeed
[09:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: not sure of the effectivness of the power plugin in g-s-d TBH
[09:25] <Laney> yeah, just saw that
[09:25] <Laney> it's not entirely surprising though really
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> but then, we choose to use obsolete technology such as consolekit :/
[09:39] <xnox> chrisccoulson: I'm not sure "choose" is the correct word here.
[09:40] <pitti> ah, just read that mail as well
[09:41] <pitti> well, we'll need to package systemd anyway
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> xnox, what would be the correct word?
[09:41] <pitti> it was the plan for quantal already, but didn't happen
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, are you using https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next btw? :)
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:41] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I don't really use firefox, why? ;)
[09:41] <pitti> we'll still need a patch to use CK, of course, but we should be able to use the suspend etc. bits
[09:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, i forgot you're a chrome traitor :-P
[09:42] <didrocks> \o/
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> freedom hater ;)
[09:42] <didrocks> chromium*
[09:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: quick quick blog it! ;-)
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> pitti, you'll still be at UDS, won't you? :)
[09:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, of course; I'm in the platform team
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> oh, i wasn't too sure. that's good then
[09:44] <didrocks> pitti: take care, soon chrisccoulson will call you "desktop team traitor" :)
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:45]  * pitti remembers to bring the asbestos pants
[09:45] <didrocks> heh :)
[10:26] <ronoc> nero for linux has been broken since 11.10 on 64bit
[10:26] <ronoc> don't know who to spoke to about this ...
[10:27] <didrocks> ronoc: is it in the partner repo?
[10:28] <ronoc> didrocks, from apt I can find nerolinux
[10:29] <ronoc> i don't have any extra repos added to my source.list
[10:29] <ronoc> didrocks, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1864876&page=2
[10:29] <ronoc> the fix worked for me
[10:29] <ronoc> i needed to create an nrg for something
[10:29] <didrocks> ronoc: apt-cache policy nerolinux
[10:29] <didrocks> what does it says?
[10:30] <ronoc> didrocks, no mention of where the repo is
[10:30] <ronoc> i can't remember is i installed from a deb from the nero site
[10:31] <ronoc> nerolinux:
[10:31] <ronoc>   Installed: 4.0.0.0-1
[10:31] <ronoc>   Candidate: 4.0.0.0-1
[10:31] <ronoc>   Version table:
[10:31] <ronoc>  *** 4.0.0.0-1 0
[10:31] <ronoc>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:31] <ronoc> didrocks, ^
[10:31] <didrocks> ronoc: so you downloaded and installed the deb directly
[10:31] <ronoc> ah
[10:31] <didrocks> or added a ppa, installing it, and removing it (during a dist-upgrade?)
[10:31] <ronoc> nah i must have installed the deb directly
[10:31] <didrocks> but I really doubt we would ever have nerolinux in the distro
[10:31] <ronoc> we should support it though
[10:31] <didrocks> ronoc: maybe they have a support forum?
[10:32] <didrocks> I think it needs a rebuild and fixes for multiarch
[10:32] <ronoc> ok
[10:33] <ronoc> i'll see if i can relay that message
[10:33] <didrocks> ronoc: http://www.nero.com/enu/downloads-linux4-update.php
[10:33] <didrocks> ronoc: seems they didn't release a deb for 2 years though
[10:34] <ronoc> aye, people still use this though for producing disc images, plants only accept nrgs or dpps
[10:37] <ronoc> yep it looks like nero have stop supporting linux ...
[10:37] <didrocks> urgh :(
[12:09] <bizhanMona> Hi where is ubuntu as far as supporting systemd? thx
[13:17] <jbicha> thanks Bastien for stirring up drama on a Friday https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-October/msg00056.html
[13:27] <kenvandine> jbicha, yeah... i guess we'll be talking about systemd at UDS
[13:29] <jbicha> I mean, Ubuntu 13.04 probably should start migrating to systemd in 13.04 but he's being a jerk about "encouraging" us to do that
[13:29] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:31] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> just saw your response on d-d-l ;)
[13:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, happy friday trolling day ;-)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[13:50] <seb128> I'm good
[13:50] <seb128> having a day off work today (still some  10 vac days to take before end of year), I was just saying hello and reading emails (and trolling a bit ;-)
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> heh, vacation, i really need to take some as well
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> i'd totally forgotten about it
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> hah, i've got 18 days left!
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> jeez
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> i really need to take some time off soon
[13:55] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: we'll tell you happy christmas and happy new year at the end of UDS :)
[13:55] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: you had a kid, and _still_ have 18 days left? :P
[13:56] <didrocks> mdeslaur: you know that this can be taken as "you are being a bad father", right? :p
[13:56] <jbicha> seb128: lol, have a good day off :)
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, with 2 small children, sometimes it's a relief to be at work rather than taking vacation ;)
[13:56] <mdeslaur> didrocks: lol, whoops :)
[13:56] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: hehe :)
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> but, i really suck at taking vacation
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> i need to pick a period between 2 firefox releases to have some time off :)
[13:57] <seb128> jbicha, thanks ;-)
[13:57] <seb128> I'm off again
[13:57] <seb128> bbl
[13:59] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: how fast between 2 firefox releases already?
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, well, there were 2 last week
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> but 6 weeks between scheduled releases ;)
[14:00] <didrocks> ok, 7 for chromium IIRC
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> the release process for chromium seems a bit more chaotic though
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> i can tell you the exact date firefox 17 will be released :)
[14:10] <didrocks> time-based :)
[14:10] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: do they really release chromium and chrome the same day?
[14:10] <didrocks> kenvandine: maybe you would know? ^
[14:10] <kenvandine> not sure about the same day
[14:10] <kenvandine> but it is roughly every 6 weeks
[14:11] <kenvandine> not as specific as firefox though
[14:11] <kenvandine> sometimes it is 3 or 4 weeks between stable releases
[14:36] <Laney> ah, working webkit on arm again
[14:36] <Laney> ogra_: ^ :-)
[14:36]  * Laney is looking at the slideshow
[14:36]  * ogra_ hugs Laney 
[14:37] <ogra_> Laney, thats awesome, while we could easily drop the slideshow, yelp is completely broken :)
[14:37] <Laney> heh
[14:37] <Laney> i'll SRU it with the upstream micro release
[14:37] <Laney> still a workaround, there's a bug with upstream to fix it for real
[14:48] <ellorenz> Hi to all!
[14:48] <ellorenz> i'd need help about wifi on ubuntu 12.10 can anyone help me?
[14:49] <jbicha> ellorenz: please ask in #ubuntu
[14:49] <ellorenz> Ok
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> was 2d unity removed in Q?
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> and if so, why?
[15:51] <didrocks> TheLordOfTime: yeah, it was, you can read http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/unity-2d-removed-from-ubuntu-12-10 (or google around) for more explanation
[15:51] <didrocks> the decision was announced at last UDS
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> ah, i missed it, i focus on server stuff more :p
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> in any case, what's the method to reset stuff to less-graphical stuff?
[15:52] <didrocks> TheLordOfTime: if your machine can't support 3D, it will use llvmpipe
[15:52] <didrocks> (with unity itself)
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> that may have been prudent to include in the release notes
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> unless i didnt read them enough
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> :p
[15:53]  * TheLordOfTime is adamant to stick with 12.04, but has seen 'bugs' that 2d unity isnt an option now
[15:54] <didrocks> TheLordOfTime: people having machine not able to run unity 3D have a warning before upgrading
[15:55] <didrocks> (it may run fine with llvmpipe, but we prefer to warn them while they are on precise still :))
[15:55] <TheLordOfTime> doesn't seem that way according to the QQing i saw in #ubuntu earlier
[15:55] <didrocks> well, it's only if the machine doesn't support 2D
[15:55] <didrocks> sorry, 3D
[15:55] <didrocks> not if you selected 2D and your machine supported 3D
[15:56] <didrocks> knowing that 3D is more power efficient as running on the GPU and some speed improvments have made their way on 12.10 for compiz + unity
[16:00] <TheLordOfTime> did the release notes include that 2d unity was replaced with what you've stated?
[16:00] <TheLordOfTime> if so, then i can just start saying "learn to read the release notes!"
[16:00] <TheLordOfTime> (or something more friendly that way)
[16:00] <TheLordOfTime> as i said, i prefer currentRelease -1, or LTS
[16:00] <TheLordOfTime> (which is why i'll be on 12.04 for a while ;P)
[16:01] <didrocks> TheLordOfTime: it was in beta1, seems it didn't make it into the finale release note though :/
[16:02] <didrocks> TheLordOfTime: but the user shouldn't land in a desktop-less world, the new version unity version on supported hw should be more efficient than unity-2d they had in precise
[16:03] <TheLordOfTime> its the QQing i dont like :P
[16:03] <didrocks> and if their hardware will require llvmpipe support (so no acceleration), there is a warning showing it
[16:03] <TheLordOfTime> brb, I apparently futzed a debdiff for an SRU
[16:53] <fredp> didrocks and friends, congrats for the release.
[16:53] <didrocks> fredp: merci! :-)
[17:20] <jbicha> TheLordOfTime: yeah, basically no one has stepped up to maintain unity-2d
[20:01] <mterry> Laney, I wanted to push an SRU patch for gtk+3.0.  I see you have one uploaded?  Has it been approved into -proposed yet or shall I add my patch to yours and re-upload with same version?
[20:02]  * mterry realizes he can look himelf
[22:24] <mbiebl> tkamppeter: heya, around?