=== JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine [03:40] Good morning [04:46] good morning [04:47] bonjour didrocks [04:47] hey pitti, how are you? [04:48] didrocks: quite fine, thanks! how about yourself? [04:48] pitti: I'm good, thanks === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:23] good morning all [07:25] bonjour rickspencer3 [07:25] hey didrocks [07:26] what's the French community saying today about 12.10? [07:26] c'est bon? [07:26] rickspencer3: not as many downloads as for previous releases, seems people want to wait a little bit before downloading [07:27] rickspencer3: also, as we have a rock solid LTS, I think a lot of them won't upgrade for the first time in years [07:27] didrocks, interesting, why do you think that is? [07:27] they like precise :) [07:27] * rickspencer3 nods [07:27] I had the same feeling yesterday evening in ubuntu-lyon [07:27] (I went to the evening event, for helping upgrades/installs) [07:28] just my feeling, it seems but strong LTS release are not good for later intermediate ones! [07:28] … which is a good thing in some way ;) [07:28] well, yeah [08:35] good morning everyone [08:38] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:38] well, that should keep the webapps guys busy. been picking firefox crashes out of the crash database for them this morning :) [08:38] hi didrocks [08:38] i'm good thanks, how are you? [08:39] I'm fine, thanks :) [08:39] chrisccoulson: heh ;) [08:40] https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=Firefox%3A16.0.1&platform=linux&range_value=1&range_unit=days&date=10%2F19%2F2012+08%3A34%3A15&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=&reason=&build_id=&process_type=browser&hang_type=crash&do_query=1 [08:40] number 4 ;) [08:40] that's just for the last 24 hours. if i look at the last week, that crash is number 11 [08:40] it's going to overtake all of them quite quickly :( [08:43] chrisccoulson: can you contact them and work with them to get those fixed? [08:43] chrisccoulson: I think we will need to help them to get a better firefox plugin [08:43] didrocks, yeah. they're all going to be travelling next week aren't they? [08:43] chrisccoulson: right, most of them starting wednesday [08:43] i wonder whether to just fix it for them before this appears on mozilla's radar [08:44] chrisccoulson: so that's plenty of time to get some fixes in first! :) [08:44] chrisccoulson: agreed [08:44] chrisccoulson: would be bad to have it disabled :p [08:44] yeah [09:24] didrocks, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-October/msg00056.html ;) [09:25] systemd now a hard dependency of gnome-settings-daemon.... [09:25] chrisccoulson: "sweet", this will make our life easier of course… [09:25] indeed [09:25] chrisccoulson: not sure of the effectivness of the power plugin in g-s-d TBH [09:25] yeah, just saw that [09:25] it's not entirely surprising though really [09:25] but then, we choose to use obsolete technology such as consolekit :/ [09:39] chrisccoulson: I'm not sure "choose" is the correct word here. [09:40] ah, just read that mail as well [09:41] well, we'll need to package systemd anyway [09:41] xnox, what would be the correct word? [09:41] it was the plan for quantal already, but didn't happen [09:41] didrocks, are you using https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next btw? :) [09:41] hey pitti, how are you? [09:41] chrisccoulson: I don't really use firefox, why? ;) [09:41] we'll still need a patch to use CK, of course, but we should be able to use the suspend etc. bits [09:41] chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! [09:42] didrocks, oh, i forgot you're a chrome traitor :-P [09:42] \o/ [09:42] freedom hater ;) [09:42] chromium* [09:42] chrisccoulson: quick quick blog it! ;-) [09:42] heh === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [09:44] pitti, you'll still be at UDS, won't you? :) [09:44] chrisccoulson: yes, of course; I'm in the platform team [09:44] oh, i wasn't too sure. that's good then [09:44] pitti: take care, soon chrisccoulson will call you "desktop team traitor" :) [09:45] lol [09:45] * pitti remembers to bring the asbestos pants [09:45] heh :) [10:26] nero for linux has been broken since 11.10 on 64bit [10:26] don't know who to spoke to about this ... [10:27] ronoc: is it in the partner repo? [10:28] didrocks, from apt I can find nerolinux [10:29] i don't have any extra repos added to my source.list [10:29] didrocks, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1864876&page=2 [10:29] the fix worked for me [10:29] i needed to create an nrg for something [10:29] ronoc: apt-cache policy nerolinux [10:29] what does it says? [10:30] didrocks, no mention of where the repo is [10:30] i can't remember is i installed from a deb from the nero site [10:31] nerolinux: [10:31] Installed: 4.0.0.0-1 [10:31] Candidate: 4.0.0.0-1 [10:31] Version table: [10:31] *** 4.0.0.0-1 0 [10:31] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [10:31] didrocks, ^ [10:31] ronoc: so you downloaded and installed the deb directly [10:31] ah [10:31] or added a ppa, installing it, and removing it (during a dist-upgrade?) [10:31] nah i must have installed the deb directly [10:31] but I really doubt we would ever have nerolinux in the distro [10:31] we should support it though [10:31] ronoc: maybe they have a support forum? [10:32] I think it needs a rebuild and fixes for multiarch [10:32] ok [10:33] i'll see if i can relay that message [10:33] ronoc: http://www.nero.com/enu/downloads-linux4-update.php [10:33] ronoc: seems they didn't release a deb for 2 years though [10:34] aye, people still use this though for producing disc images, plants only accept nrgs or dpps [10:37] yep it looks like nero have stop supporting linux ... [10:37] urgh :( === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:09] Hi where is ubuntu as far as supporting systemd? thx === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:17] thanks Bastien for stirring up drama on a Friday https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-October/msg00056.html [13:27] jbicha, yeah... i guess we'll be talking about systemd at UDS [13:29] I mean, Ubuntu 13.04 probably should start migrating to systemd in 13.04 but he's being a jerk about "encouraging" us to do that [13:29] yeah === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:31] hey seb128 [13:31] kenvandine, hey === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [13:48] hey seb128 [13:49] just saw your response on d-d-l ;) [13:49] chrisccoulson, hey, happy friday trolling day ;-) [13:50] heh :) [13:50] how are you? [13:50] I'm good [13:50] having a day off work today (still some 10 vac days to take before end of year), I was just saying hello and reading emails (and trolling a bit ;-) [13:52] heh, vacation, i really need to take some as well [13:53] i'd totally forgotten about it [13:53] hah, i've got 18 days left! [13:53] jeez [13:53] i really need to take some time off soon [13:55] chrisccoulson: we'll tell you happy christmas and happy new year at the end of UDS :) [13:55] chrisccoulson: you had a kid, and _still_ have 18 days left? :P [13:56] mdeslaur: you know that this can be taken as "you are being a bad father", right? :p [13:56] seb128: lol, have a good day off :) [13:56] mdeslaur, with 2 small children, sometimes it's a relief to be at work rather than taking vacation ;) [13:56] didrocks: lol, whoops :) [13:56] chrisccoulson: hehe :) [13:57] but, i really suck at taking vacation [13:57] i need to pick a period between 2 firefox releases to have some time off :) [13:57] jbicha, thanks ;-) [13:57] I'm off again [13:57] bbl [13:59] chrisccoulson: how fast between 2 firefox releases already? [13:59] didrocks, well, there were 2 last week [13:59] but 6 weeks between scheduled releases ;) [14:00] ok, 7 for chromium IIRC [14:00] the release process for chromium seems a bit more chaotic though [14:01] i can tell you the exact date firefox 17 will be released :) [14:10] time-based :) [14:10] chrisccoulson: do they really release chromium and chrome the same day? [14:10] kenvandine: maybe you would know? ^ [14:10] not sure about the same day [14:10] but it is roughly every 6 weeks [14:11] not as specific as firefox though [14:11] sometimes it is 3 or 4 weeks between stable releases [14:36] ah, working webkit on arm again [14:36] ogra_: ^ :-) [14:36] * Laney is looking at the slideshow [14:36] * ogra_ hugs Laney [14:37] Laney, thats awesome, while we could easily drop the slideshow, yelp is completely broken :) [14:37] heh [14:37] i'll SRU it with the upstream micro release [14:37] still a workaround, there's a bug with upstream to fix it for real === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:48] Hi to all! [14:48] i'd need help about wifi on ubuntu 12.10 can anyone help me? [14:49] ellorenz: please ask in #ubuntu [14:49] Ok === alecu_ is now known as alecu === thisfred_ is now known as thisfred [15:49] was 2d unity removed in Q? [15:49] and if so, why? [15:51] TheLordOfTime: yeah, it was, you can read http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/unity-2d-removed-from-ubuntu-12-10 (or google around) for more explanation [15:51] the decision was announced at last UDS [15:51] ah, i missed it, i focus on server stuff more :p [15:52] in any case, what's the method to reset stuff to less-graphical stuff? [15:52] TheLordOfTime: if your machine can't support 3D, it will use llvmpipe [15:52] (with unity itself) [15:53] that may have been prudent to include in the release notes [15:53] unless i didnt read them enough [15:53] :p [15:53] * TheLordOfTime is adamant to stick with 12.04, but has seen 'bugs' that 2d unity isnt an option now [15:54] TheLordOfTime: people having machine not able to run unity 3D have a warning before upgrading [15:55] (it may run fine with llvmpipe, but we prefer to warn them while they are on precise still :)) [15:55] doesn't seem that way according to the QQing i saw in #ubuntu earlier [15:55] well, it's only if the machine doesn't support 2D [15:55] sorry, 3D [15:55] not if you selected 2D and your machine supported 3D [15:56] knowing that 3D is more power efficient as running on the GPU and some speed improvments have made their way on 12.10 for compiz + unity [16:00] did the release notes include that 2d unity was replaced with what you've stated? [16:00] if so, then i can just start saying "learn to read the release notes!" [16:00] (or something more friendly that way) [16:00] as i said, i prefer currentRelease -1, or LTS [16:00] (which is why i'll be on 12.04 for a while ;P) [16:01] TheLordOfTime: it was in beta1, seems it didn't make it into the finale release note though :/ [16:02] TheLordOfTime: but the user shouldn't land in a desktop-less world, the new version unity version on supported hw should be more efficient than unity-2d they had in precise [16:03] its the QQing i dont like :P [16:03] and if their hardware will require llvmpipe support (so no acceleration), there is a warning showing it [16:03] brb, I apparently futzed a debdiff for an SRU [16:53] didrocks and friends, congrats for the release. [16:53] fredp: merci! :-) [17:20] TheLordOfTime: yeah, basically no one has stepped up to maintain unity-2d === lifeless_ is now known as life === life is now known as lifeless [20:01] Laney, I wanted to push an SRU patch for gtk+3.0. I see you have one uploaded? Has it been approved into -proposed yet or shall I add my patch to yours and re-upload with same version? [20:02] * mterry realizes he can look himelf === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:24] tkamppeter: heya, around? === notgary_mobile is now known as notgary === notgary_ is now known as notgary