| tdr112 | hey czajkowski do you remeber these guys at ossbarcamp http://www.careersportal.ie/news/news.php?Heading=Dublin+teenager%27s+developes+software++&ID=19101201 | 09:32 |
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| czajkowski | yup | 09:33 |
| czajkowski | but now they are selling it based on Ubuntu | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | wonder how legal that is. | 09:36 |
| slashbel | nothing illegal about selling open source software | 09:41 |
| czajkowski | no there isnt | 09:41 |
| slashbel | although IANAL but as long as the source is available… | 09:41 |
| ebel | nothing illegal about selling FLOSS. | 09:42 |
| ebel | RMS sold copies of emacs back in the day | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | I assumed/thought there would be some sort of agrreement with canonical and them for distribution of their product even if it has been reskined | 09:43 |
| ebel | *however* if you sell floss software, then any of your customers are able to resell it and copy it as often as they like | 09:44 |
| ebel | so the economics of selling software change if it's open source software, so it's not as common a business approach | 09:44 |
| ebel | and yes, trademarked terms (like "ubuntu" or "ubuntu linux" or whatever etc.) can get tricky and differnet | 09:45 |
| czajkowski | yup | 09:45 |
| ebel | this is why the free version of red hat is called CentOS, and there's iceweasel/firefox etc. | 09:45 |
| czajkowski | and they are literally just adding a skin to the Ubuntu desktop | 09:45 |
| slashbel | aye, the only restrictions Ubuntu™ are related to use of their trademark | 09:46 |
| slashbel | can enforce are related* | 09:46 |
| czajkowski | ack | 09:46 |
| slashbel | it's great, it's the only way the community can exist! | 09:46 |
| ebel | *do* canonical have a trademark on "ubuntu"? I remember seeing "ubuntu cola" and few other bits and bobs... I wonder if it's too generic... | 09:47 |
| slashbel | we have already seen what happens with proprietory unixes | 09:47 |
| czajkowski | ubuntu is just a word also so no | 09:47 |
| ebel | the OSI tried (and failed) to get a trademark on "open source". | 09:47 |
| czajkowski | but if it was a domain or a logo | 09:47 |
| czajkowski | they do keep an eye o it | 09:47 |
| czajkowski | so there is a site ubuntu.ie | 09:47 |
| czajkowski | they got it first | 09:47 |
| slashbel | ebel: Apple™ and Apple Records™ situation? | 09:48 |
| ebel | and trademark depends on context & industry. | 09:48 |
| slashbel | and if you do not enforce your trademark, you lose it! | 09:49 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 09:49 |
| ebel | so you can ford a river (as people have been saying for a thousand years) but you cannot call your new sort of car a Ford. | 09:49 |
| czajkowski | Apple take it to the extreme - aka apples in poland | 09:49 |
| czajkowski | and then they also lose like yesterday :D | 09:49 |
| ebel | the other problem with selling FLOSS is you (obviously) cannot put any extra restrictions on it. e.g. any EULA | 09:50 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 09:50 |
| ebel | this is why you can't get any GPL software on the Apple App Store. VLC was pulled for this reason. Apple don't want it. | 09:50 |
| czajkowski | my worry is then when stuff *breaks* and doesnt work where do they get support | 09:50 |
| czajkowski | if they dont they then have a bad user experience | 09:50 |
| ebel | So if you are green & new, one might put an EULA on one's downloaded software, since one might assume all software has it. | 09:51 |
| ebel | but if you try to put EULAs type things on it, you're commiting copyright infrigement etc. | 09:51 |
| ebel | tis tricky this copyright & trademark law! | 09:51 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 09:52 |
| czajkowski | my sister is going into that area of specalising | 09:52 |
| ebel | and of course accepting money for a thing, and if you cannot deliver that thing, then things get complicated... | 09:53 |
| airurando | afternoon | 12:10 |
| airurando | tried to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 | 12:10 |
| zmoylan | tried is the worrying part | 12:10 |
| airurando | all appeared OK but the display res is very low | 12:10 |
| airurando | can't see dash or top menu | 12:10 |
| airurando | can get to settings through right click | 12:11 |
| popey | o/ | 12:11 |
| airurando | but under display the only resolution options I get are 600 x 800 and afternoon popey | 12:12 |
| czajkowski | popey: thanks | 12:12 |
| czajkowski | airurando: had some updates | 12:12 |
| czajkowski | and not sure what happened | 12:12 |
| czajkowski | 13:10 < airurando> all appeared OK but the display res is very low | 12:12 |
| czajkowski | 13:10 < airurando> can't see dash or top menu | 12:12 |
| czajkowski | 13:11 < airurando> can get to settings through right click | 12:12 |
| airurando | yeah I appear to be on 12.10 | 12:12 |
| popey | what kind of machine is is it? | 12:13 |
| airurando | this is on my laptop | 12:13 |
| popey | laptop/desktop model? | 12:13 |
| airurando | dell studio 1555 | 12:13 |
| zmoylan | sounds like its missing drivers | 12:13 |
| airurando | login screen seems perfect | 12:13 |
| airurando | problem arised after login | 12:13 |
| popey | are you on the machine now? | 12:14 |
| airurando | working off a different machine at the moment | 12:15 |
| airurando | but I have the laptop up and running | 12:15 |
| airurando | cant bring up anything except settings and new doc | 12:15 |
| popey | is it on the network? | 12:16 |
| airurando | under the Displays settings the top res it will allow is 10.24 x 768 | 12:16 |
| airurando | yie it is on the network | 12:17 |
| popey | switch to tty with CTRL+ALT+F1 | 12:19 |
| popey | and then login | 12:19 |
| popey | and then sudo apt-get install pastebinit | 12:19 |
| popey | and then pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 12:19 |
| popey | (case sensitive) | 12:19 |
| popey | and give us the link | 12:19 |
| airurando | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289146/ | 12:22 |
| airurando | Think I will try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/78906/ati-amd-proprietary-fglrx-graphics-install-fails-how-can-i-resolve-the-problem | 12:29 |
| airurando | and reboot | 12:29 |
| airurando | situation appears to be the same | 12:45 |
| popey | :( | 12:46 |
| popey | sorry, I know nothing about ATI | 12:46 |
| airurando | no prob popey | 12:47 |
| airurando | thanks for trying | 12:47 |
| airurando | I reckon I'll go with a fresh install. | 12:47 |
| * airurando fleas to collect the kids and get some blank DVDs | 12:48 | |
| airurando | ebel: I'll take some /all of the 12.04 CDs from you if you bring then to TOG tomorrow. Celar out the flat in prep for the 12.10 DVDs. | 14:07 |
| airurando | *Clear | 14:07 |
| ebel | hehe | 14:08 |
| ebel | sure, I'll be in TOG tomorrow, I can bring the CDs | 14:08 |
| airurando | cool | 14:09 |
| airurando | see you at about 7pm | 14:10 |
| airurando | now back to the laptop. | 14:10 |
| airurando | I've reinstalled 12.04 | 14:10 |
| airurando | going to try the upgrade again on a vanilla machine | 14:10 |
| ebel | ok | 14:38 |
| tdr112 | best of look | 15:15 |
| tdr112 | luck should i say | 15:15 |
| airurando1 | vanilla install of ubuntu 12.04 fully updated. | 16:18 |
| airurando1 | attempted to upgrade to 12.10 | 16:18 |
| airurando1 | same graphics issue encountered again. | 16:18 |
| airurando1 | reverting to fresh install of Ubuntu 12.10 | 16:18 |
| === airurando1 is now known as airurando | ||
| tdr112 | well thats crap | 16:26 |
| czajkowski | tdr112: whats up | 19:50 |
| zmoylan | think he was commenting on airurando having trouble with graphics after updating. | 19:54 |
| czajkowski | ah | 19:55 |
| tdr112 | i was | 20:16 |
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