[09:32] hey czajkowski do you remeber these guys at ossbarcamp http://www.careersportal.ie/news/news.php?Heading=Dublin+teenager%27s+developes+software++&ID=19101201 [09:33] yup [09:36] but now they are selling it based on Ubuntu [09:36] wonder how legal that is. [09:41] nothing illegal about selling open source software [09:41] no there isnt [09:41] although IANAL but as long as the source is available… [09:42] nothing illegal about selling FLOSS. [09:42] RMS sold copies of emacs back in the day [09:43] I assumed/thought there would be some sort of agrreement with canonical and them for distribution of their product even if it has been reskined [09:44] *however* if you sell floss software, then any of your customers are able to resell it and copy it as often as they like [09:44] so the economics of selling software change if it's open source software, so it's not as common a business approach [09:45] and yes, trademarked terms (like "ubuntu" or "ubuntu linux" or whatever etc.) can get tricky and differnet [09:45] yup [09:45] this is why the free version of red hat is called CentOS, and there's iceweasel/firefox etc. [09:45] and they are literally just adding a skin to the Ubuntu desktop [09:46] aye, the only restrictions Ubuntu™ are related to use of their trademark [09:46] can enforce are related* [09:46] ack [09:46] it's great, it's the only way the community can exist! [09:47] *do* canonical have a trademark on "ubuntu"? I remember seeing "ubuntu cola" and few other bits and bobs... I wonder if it's too generic... [09:47] we have already seen what happens with proprietory unixes [09:47] ubuntu is just a word also so no [09:47] the OSI tried (and failed) to get a trademark on "open source". [09:47] but if it was a domain or a logo [09:47] they do keep an eye o it [09:47] so there is a site ubuntu.ie [09:47] they got it first [09:48] ebel: Apple™ and Apple Records™ situation? [09:48] and trademark depends on context & industry. [09:49] and if you do not enforce your trademark, you lose it! [09:49] indeed [09:49] so you can ford a river (as people have been saying for a thousand years) but you cannot call your new sort of car a Ford. [09:49] Apple take it to the extreme - aka apples in poland [09:49] and then they also lose like yesterday :D [09:50] the other problem with selling FLOSS is you (obviously) cannot put any extra restrictions on it. e.g. any EULA [09:50] indeed [09:50] this is why you can't get any GPL software on the Apple App Store. VLC was pulled for this reason. Apple don't want it. [09:50] my worry is then when stuff *breaks* and doesnt work where do they get support [09:50] if they dont they then have a bad user experience [09:51] So if you are green & new, one might put an EULA on one's downloaded software, since one might assume all software has it. [09:51] but if you try to put EULAs type things on it, you're commiting copyright infrigement etc. [09:51] tis tricky this copyright & trademark law! [09:52] indeed [09:52] my sister is going into that area of specalising [09:53] and of course accepting money for a thing, and if you cannot deliver that thing, then things get complicated... [12:10] afternoon [12:10] tried to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 [12:10] tried is the worrying part [12:10] all appeared OK but the display res is very low [12:10] can't see dash or top menu [12:11] can get to settings through right click [12:11] o/ [12:12] but under display the only resolution options I get are 600 x 800 and afternoon popey [12:12] popey: thanks [12:12] airurando: had some updates [12:12] and not sure what happened [12:12] 13:10 < airurando> all appeared OK but the display res is very low [12:12] 13:10 < airurando> can't see dash or top menu [12:12] 13:11 < airurando> can get to settings through right click [12:12] yeah I appear to be on 12.10 [12:13] what kind of machine is is it? [12:13] this is on my laptop [12:13] laptop/desktop model? [12:13] dell studio 1555 [12:13] sounds like its missing drivers [12:13] login screen seems perfect [12:13] problem arised after login [12:14] are you on the machine now? [12:15] working off a different machine at the moment [12:15] but I have the laptop up and running [12:15] cant bring up anything except settings and new doc [12:16] is it on the network? [12:16] under the Displays settings the top res it will allow is 10.24 x 768 [12:17] yie it is on the network [12:19] switch to tty with CTRL+ALT+F1 [12:19] and then login [12:19] and then sudo apt-get install pastebinit [12:19] and then pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:19] (case sensitive) [12:19] and give us the link [12:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289146/ [12:29] Think I will try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/78906/ati-amd-proprietary-fglrx-graphics-install-fails-how-can-i-resolve-the-problem [12:29] and reboot [12:45] situation appears to be the same [12:46] :( [12:46] sorry, I know nothing about ATI [12:47] no prob popey [12:47] thanks for trying [12:47] I reckon I'll go with a fresh install. [12:48] * airurando fleas to collect the kids and get some blank DVDs [14:07] ebel: I'll take some /all of the 12.04 CDs from you if you bring then to TOG tomorrow. Celar out the flat in prep for the 12.10 DVDs. [14:07] *Clear [14:08] hehe [14:08] sure, I'll be in TOG tomorrow, I can bring the CDs [14:09] cool [14:10] see you at about 7pm [14:10] now back to the laptop. [14:10] I've reinstalled 12.04 [14:10] going to try the upgrade again on a vanilla machine [14:38] ok [15:15] best of look [15:15] luck should i say [16:18] vanilla install of ubuntu 12.04 fully updated. [16:18] attempted to upgrade to 12.10 [16:18] same graphics issue encountered again. [16:18] reverting to fresh install of Ubuntu 12.10 === airurando1 is now known as airurando [16:26] well thats crap [19:50] tdr112: whats up [19:54] think he was commenting on airurando having trouble with graphics after updating. [19:55] ah [20:16] i was