[04:38] !isitout [04:38] Yup! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-October/000164.html !party in #ubuntu-release-party [05:42] ali1234: I did lots of digging in BS&T, based on the evidence I have, it all points towards BS&T being a frontend to zeekrewards [05:42] in summary, you was probably right xD [05:43] sadface.jpg, *waves goodbye to 100 btc* [05:45] \o Azelphur [05:47] indeed [05:48] ಠ_ಠ @ Google for releasing Chromebooks only in UK/US [05:48] you could just buy one with bitcoins like ali said earlier [05:48] Azelphur: yeah, but I don't have any [05:48] that's what I do when I need out of country kit [05:49] also, PC-World doesn't accept BC ;) [05:49] you could buy some bitcoins off of me to give back to me to buy yourself a chromebook? [05:49] xD [05:49] Azelphur: you mean I send you some money? ;) [05:49] indeed [07:13] Morning all [07:13] \o diplo [07:14] * diplo needs sleep [07:15] Sleep is for the weak [07:15] diplo: had a good release party then? :) [07:16] Not me, just a s*** nights sleep I guess [07:20] Morning! [07:20] \o popeyman [07:24] yoyo è [07:26] knightwise: gangnam style? [07:26] oppan knightwise style! [07:26] * knightwise does the funny horse dance ! [07:27] * knightwise swings ubuntu 12.10 usb installers around ! [07:32] Morning all [07:37] hey hoover [07:45] \o/ Nexus 7 [07:46] popey: got yours already? [07:46] you have a fast postman [07:46] yeah [07:46] paid 1 pound extra for "before 1pm" delivery [07:46] popey: you are going to enjoy it ! [07:46] i already am :) [07:46] I have my with me EVERYWHERE [07:46] it's way better than any other android device I've used [07:47] might have to get a cover from somewhere [07:47] * knightwise needs to recharge his ipad that has been dead for 2 weeks now [07:47] popey: take a peek on eboay [07:47] ebay [07:47] * popey now has way too many tablets [07:47] plenty of cheap versatile covers there [07:47] popey: give some to your kids :) [07:47] popey: how many tablets do you have ? [07:47] 5 [07:48] 2xnexus 7, ipad, smarttq t20, transformer [07:48] so I have way more android devices than apple ones :) [07:48] * knightwise agrees Too many tablets [07:48] Do you use the transformer keyboard/touchpad a lot ? [07:48] popey: that's one for everyone + 1 spare? :) [07:48] or all for me and none for anyone else [07:49] I will leave ipad at home I think for this trip [07:49] so wife/kids can play with it [07:54] Is the new Chromebook considered an ultrabook ? [08:00] morning folks [08:00] popey: why 2 nexus 7's [08:13] * SuperMatt looks bleary-eyed at the channel [08:13] MOAR BACON [08:14] MOAR MOAR MOAR [08:14] * mattt had bacon today [08:15] czajkowski, see marks blog post :) [08:15] ack [08:15] see Jans rant on G+ [08:15] my bacon desperation stems from last night's wonderous ubuntu release party [08:16] czajkowski: link? [08:16] https://plus.google.com/u/0/112648813199640203443/posts/6fJGtTcLz8K === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:18] thats not the blog post I meant [08:18] "So bring along a Nexus 7 if you’re coming to Copenhagen, because it makes a rumpty reference for our rootin’ tootin’ radionic razoring." [08:18] ahh [08:18] yes [08:19] yeah, I thought mark's post was more about getting more people involved, and creating new, exciting things that from time to time they want to announce with a bang, rather than have it slide in slowly [08:21] when phone opporaters release new updates to their phone they should tell me secretly like 5 days before hand so i have chance to download it before the internet tries and kills the update servers [08:22] * czajkowski tickles gord [08:29] ah yes, /. and it's tirade of "I don't want this, why is it in my OS?" [08:29] to which the answer is "because other people *do* want it and they're very appreciative of it, thank you very much" [08:31] gord: my Galaxy Nexus just pinged yesterday "New update, install?" [08:31] it had pre-downloaded it for me [08:33] people take things far too seriously [08:33] can't we all just a bo... [08:33] *get [08:42] mattt: you wanted to say "book" there .. didn't you :) [08:43] "bore each other" [08:46] Good(?) morning peeps :) [08:46] \o bigcalm [08:47] My workstation was jealous of me upgrading(?) my laptop last night - my central monitor is no longer rotated 90deg. Nothings changed in xorg.conf. So what's made it change? [08:47] Hi MartijnVdS [08:47] hm, that's new. I now have a /boot/grub/i386-pc and a /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc with identical contents, but not linked [08:48] wonder which one I can nuke [08:48] bigcalm, not considered the idea that the rest of the universe has rotated 90degr? [08:48] gord: in that case, maybe the left and right monitors have actually rotated [08:52] knightwise: i don't even know where that came from, i think it was a friend's IRC quit message :) [08:52] anyone setup 12.10 with a dual monitor setup (side by side, non rotational) [08:52] or maybe it was some default bitchx-type thing [08:53] * knightwise remembers bitxhX fondly [08:53] i'm now more of an irssi whore [08:53] knightwise: yeah I do [08:53] Works soooooooooooo much better in 12.10, just works [08:53] knightwise: I have dual monitor.... [08:54] ah Good [08:54] were you worried it might not work? [08:54] planning to hook up my i5 machine to the dual monitor setup at home [08:54] 2*24 inch dells [08:55] https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/259215368114032641 [08:55] wait what [08:55] pretty popular post there popey [08:56] yeah :S [08:56] "460 comments, that's weird" [08:56] then I saw the +1s [08:56] Happy Day-after-release Day, everyone! :-D [08:56] yaaay my phone has jelly babies [08:56] yeah, kinda surprised [08:56] ripples are fun [08:56] popey : had a chance to listen to the interview yet ? [08:57] getting good feedback from the episode so far [08:57] knightwise, some of it, not all yet [08:57] oh cool! [08:57] \o/ [08:58] bigcalm: did you manage to find an OLDER keyboard or do all the older models feature cavepaintings on the keys [08:58] :D [08:58] knightwise: I paid good money for this noisy beauty [08:59] das keyboard ? [08:59] Unicomp (Model M) [08:59] popey : considering the number of tablets you have .. this is for the Misses : http://knightwise.com/sarah-louise-young-is-an-ipad-widow/ [08:59] bigcalm: old ibm bank-style rattle rattle board ? [08:59] so people 2 offices away know when you are typing ? [09:00] knightwise: if you want to call it that :) I like the feedback. I work at home, so it's not a problem until Hayley comes home :) [09:00] Can't stand noisey keyboards [09:01] morning all [09:01] good morning everyone. [09:01] hey brobostigon [09:01] They also do a 'silent' version of the same keyboard. Maybe I should have bought one of those [09:01] hey knightwise [09:03] I work with someone whose keyboard is frequently louder than he is on the phone... [09:03] bigcalm: do you have those three screens hooked up to one single system (triple screen setup ?) [09:03] Does X get settings from somewhere other than /etc/X/xorg.cof ? [09:03] knightwise: I do. 2 graphics cards [09:04] bigcalm: One Pci Express + one pci ? [09:04] knightwise: again correct [09:04] knightwise: took a lot of searching to find an PCI nvidia card with the same model number as the PCI-e one [09:05] bigcalm: interesting :) might rummage around my dad in laws office to find one of those (i have a spare third monitor) [09:05] bigcalm: but thats a fairly "recent" card then [09:05] root@snafu:/etc/X11# lspci | grep NVIDIA [09:05] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] (rev a1) [09:05] 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a2) [09:05] not really ;) [09:06] archive.ubuntu.com not working for me if anyone wants to know about it [09:06] bigcalm: which settings? It does have a per-user rc file which I've not had to remember the existence of since about 2002 [09:06] CaMason, its a busy day :) [09:06] oh it's out? [09:06] CaMason, try again, there's a lot of machines behind that hostname [09:06] forgot about that [09:07] BigRedS: the central monitor is incorrect even during lightdm session selection. So I don't think this is a per user thing :| [09:10] ahh, right [09:11] Is it possible that an updated nvidia driver no longer rotates? [09:13] It's crertainly possible that it's simply broken [09:13] Is it possible to downgrade it? [09:16] apt-cache showpkg | less will show you the available versions in the repos [09:16] Ta [09:19] You know what torvalds said to Nvidia [09:19] * BigRedS is pretty pleased has has no real need for posh graphics [09:20] bigcalm, apt-cache policy nvidia-settings [09:20] pastebin that pls [09:21] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288860/ [09:21] ok [09:21] do same with apt-cache policy nvidia-current* [09:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288861/ [09:22] ok, so you have 304.43 [09:24] bigcalm, what does "xrandr" output say? [09:24] In Additional Drivers, 304 seems to be mentioned as an experimental beta release. [09:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288866/ [09:25] bigcalm: ah, I used them to try and get vdpau working on my ion last night; it wasn't playing ball [09:25] 1680x1050 is that the one you want to rotate? [09:26] popey: all 3 monitors are the same res [09:26] Of 1680x1050 [09:26] so which one is that? [09:26] its only showing one [09:26] Yeah, odd [09:27] are they all on, and displaying stuff? just you want one to rotate? [09:27] popey: that's correct [09:27] can you pastebin your xorg.conf? [09:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288873/ === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:31] bigcalm, and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [09:31] Found some info that seems to state that Roate Left doesn't work in 304.43: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=148178 [09:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288880/ [09:32] [ 6.616] (WW) NVIDIA(1): Option "Rotate" is not used [09:32] Yeah, just saw that as well [09:32] "Removed the "Rotate" X configuration option. This was used to statically rotate the X screen. Its functionality is replaced by the "Rotation" MetaMode attribute and RandR 1.2 rotation support. See the README for details. [09:32] " [09:33] so its a metamode now [09:33] just need to tweak your xorg.conf, not roll back [09:33] Good :) [09:34] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/302.07/README/xrandrextension.html [09:34] you can test with xrandr [09:34] xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --rotate left [09:34] does that work? [09:35] Yes, but it was the wrong screen :D [09:35] yay [09:35] Turning my head sideways to read this [09:35] :) [09:36] or (: [09:36] I've tweaked my xorg.conf, lets see if it works [09:36] :) looks sensible from this angle [09:37] Yay! [09:38] Thank you :) [09:38] np [09:38] Aww, side-ways smilies again [09:38] Now I can get one with work again :( [09:39] I upgraded my laptop to 12.10 last night. The fan runs at 100% all the time and the screen res is wrong. It looks as though it's no longer using the ATI driver despite is being installed [09:43] I'm having deja vu [09:44] bigcalm: you asked in xubuntu :) [09:44] or in the kernel channel re fans at 100% cPU [09:44] czajkowski: I did and didn't get a response [09:44] 819788 [09:44] bigcalm: was late :) [09:44] oops [09:44] no definately not an oops ID [09:44] I know them [09:45] they give me grief ;) [09:45] 2fa :) [09:45] that just drives me batty [09:46] Quick Q: Is there any sensible way to mount /home over NFS? I currently use autofs, but occasionally have problems where home doesn't mount and I have to touch the directory before it will mount and let me log in. [10:09] Morning all happy hangover day [10:16] hey davmor2 you have an SIII right? [10:16] gord I do [10:16] i got jellybean this morning [10:17] Ooo [10:17] gord: you on 3? [10:17] yup [10:17] gord: OTA or via Kies? [10:17] via kies because the ota servers were deader than a really dead thing [10:17] yeap 3 are the first to roll out in the UK the others will get it shortly [10:17] I've seen Kies work with my phone just once [10:18] sortly between now and some random time in the future? [10:18] shortly is rarely a thing with android updates ;) [10:18] gord: you got kies installed is there a linux option for that or did you use games os :) [10:18] windows 7 === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [10:39] Hello! === DvD is now known as Guest99006 [10:39] hello [10:40] I gotta li'l problem, with Dvd +R recognization! [10:40] hmm, ok, normally DVDs just work like CDs but bigger [10:41] czajkowski: laptop display is fixed. Wasn't xubuntu related though. the ATI binary driver isn't compatible with 12.10 on my laptop [10:41] Ya, i duped a DVD, avi file working, i burnt it, but Ubuntu does not recognize it. [10:41] 'The dvd [10:42] Did you finalise the session? [10:42] Wa? [10:42] Yes, it did it automaticlly. [10:42] Does it work on any other machine? [10:43] On Windows, it shows up as empty [10:43] On other pc [10:45] got any idea? [10:45] tried with other dvd+r, the same model, it worked [10:48] I use XfBurn [11:00] the downside of having 5 tablets is they all light up and go plinkety plonk when someone comments or shares something [11:01] :D [11:01] popey: Muhahahahhhahahah [11:01] not irc :) [11:02] FIVE TABLETS? [11:02] any of them running ubuntu? [11:02] I know but there is twitter, FB and g+ :) [11:04] at home we call it " The wave of ping " [11:05] lol === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [11:14] Ha ! :) Nice 007 Skyfall add ni the antwerp trainstation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDiZOnzajNU === darren is now known as darren-lunch === darren-lunch is now known as darren [11:27] * AlanBell wonders about lunch [11:27] * knightwise things NimChimpsky has a realy dodgy connection [11:34] mmmlunch. [11:34] hey christel [11:34] heya knightwise :) [11:34] did the valium trick work on the little one ? [11:34] or did childcare make a fuss ? :) [11:35] Rubber mallet > valium [11:35] Ducktape :) ..; turns Whaaahhwhaaawhaaaa into MMM mmmmMMMMm [11:36] knightwise: Marc D.? [11:36] MartijnVdS: hahaha ! well played [11:37] knightwise: it's what Belgium is known for abroad, you know 8-) [11:38] Sadly yes :( ... we seem to have more killers, child molesters and priests than any other country in europe [11:44] I thought that was chips drowing in mayonnaise? [11:44] knightwise: hahaha -- the GP sent us off to the children's ward where they gave him adrenaline + steroids, he's much better now though :) [11:44] and beer hover ! [11:44] drowning even (btw, I love mayonnaise ;-) [11:44] christel: he could be a pro cyclist then! [11:44] christel: so they turned the kid into captain america ? [11:44] hahaha [11:48] knightwise: they' not America though [11:48] re [11:48] * MartijnVdS hates his kb [11:49] thats ok :) I hated captain america .. what a terrible flick [11:49] knightwise: what would be the British equivalent of Captain America? [11:49] Mr Bean.. [11:49] hmm... lets see .. [11:49] bootljhfdsds++ [11:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu9hmYs1amY [11:50] My Hero ! (Bbc sitcom) [11:50] = british captain america [11:51] there was a "Green Man" .. but he ended up being Lord Vader... fitting. [11:51] bootljhfdsds: that sounds like a "Cards Against Humanity" answer :) [11:52] Cards Against Humanity ?? scanning 4 Cards Against Humanity ... [11:53] bootljhfdsds: http://cardsagainsthumanity.com/ http://cardsagainsthumanity.com/lab/ (not suitable for sensitive people and their children) [11:54] The Onion AV Club interview calls the game "a sort of Apples To Apples for the crass and jaded." wikipedia .. mmm .. good for the boat I guess. [11:55] crass = gross these days So I think I'll give it a miss . thanx thou. [11:56] bootljhfdsds: you can try it on the "lab" page [11:56] Can you find that 4 me, plz. [11:56] bootljhfdsds: http://cardsagainsthumanity.com/lab/ ? [11:59] what the crud is THAT :) [12:00] knightwise: card game :) [12:00] knightwise: works best with groups of friends [12:04] you assume I have friends [12:05] knightwise: acquaintances? [12:06] * knightwise has Devoted fans groupies and willing virgings [12:08] Well, I'm up to round 105 and it just keeps going .. so I dont know if there is any result atall. ..It is gross after-all. [12:08] bootljhfdsds: the /lab/ page is just their way of measuring funny combinations [12:08] bootljhfdsds: you can buy it as a pack of cards to play with friends over a beer or somethging [12:09] bootljhfdsds: one person plays a black card, the others play white cards, person who played the black card determines which white card is the funniest, person who played it wins the round [12:09] ... pretty basic option .. I think if was done in a language ur trying to learn or something .. then I'd give it a go. [12:10] bootljhfdsds: they have German and French sets I think [12:10] bootljhfdsds is a nickname ? I thought MartijnVdS was just hammering on his keyboard [12:11] i wear different clothes for different friends . END [12:27] cheers all, have a nice weekend === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === knightwise is now known as knightAFK [13:26] I wonder what bit I'm missing when all my messaging menu contains is empathy stuff [13:26] Myrtti: aye mine just contains that plus G+ [13:27] I just installed the gmail webapp and it's not shwing [13:31] I removed all the messaging menu bits [13:31] I just want my email thing [13:33] interesting, my torrent of 12.10-server-amd64 was the quickest to download, but 12.10-desktop-amd63 is the first to reach a ratio of 1.0 [13:35] amd63 isn't a very popular architecture [13:36] I know [13:36] who would have thought it'd be the first to reach a ration of 1? [13:36] amd62 was my favourite, after then its been downhill [13:38] right so apparently there is something crashing [13:38] and apport just vanished somewhere when I was trying to send the report [13:40] nice [13:44] and now on this reboot it didn't crash. [13:44] nice. [13:55] How can I vind out if a computer (Ubuntu 8.04 and a 10.10) using hardware ethernet 1000bit [13:56] Wobbo: GUI, or command-line? [13:56] Wobbo: in the GUI, right-click the network icon (arrow up + arrow down) -> "Connection info" (Verbindingsinformatie) [13:56] Wobbo: command-line: ethtool eth0 [13:56] it was libindicator something :-( [13:57] myyh. [13:58] !info pymssql [13:58] Package pymssql does not exist in quantal [13:58] python-pymssql - Python database access for MS SQL server and Sybase [13:58] AlanBell: ^ [13:58] !info python-pymssql [13:58] python-pymssql (source: pymssql): Python database access for MS SQL server and Sybase. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+dfsg-1build1 (quantal), package size 41 kB, installed size 212 kB [13:59] !info python-pymssql unstable [13:59] python-pymssql (source: pymssql (1.0.2+dfsg-1)): Python database access for MS SQL server and Sybase. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.2+dfsg-1+b2 (unstable), package size 49 kB, installed size 220 kB [13:59] grr [13:59] Bug #918896 sits unloved [13:59] Launchpad bug 918896 in pymssql (Ubuntu) "returns no data from SQL server" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/918896 [13:59] http://victorpalau.net/2012/10/19/nexus-7-raring-to-go-to-copenhaguen/ [13:59] \o/ [14:00] :) === dave is now known as Guest70266 [14:02] so there we have a package in Ubuntu that is completely and utterly broken [14:02] AlanBell: it is? [14:02] upstream has a new version [14:02] debian doesn't have the new version [14:02] so we just stay broken [14:03] MartijnVdS: yes, it is a doorstop [14:03] Have been noticing very slow behavior on 12.10. Workspace transitions are comically jerky [14:04] is there a way of installing proprietary ATI drivers? [14:05] proprietary graphics driver installation used to "just work", at least on this laptop [14:05] should still work the same way [14:06] AlanBell: do you suppose there'll ever be a reason to move away from debian? Cutting out the middle man might help canonical [14:06] I don't notice any hardware icon, and searching for hardware comes up with nothing [14:07] SuperMatt: there was some talk of cutting out Debian for the Gnome core packages (i.e. get them from Gnome instead) [14:08] debian bug 648230 [14:08] Debian bug 648230 in python-pymssql "python-pymssql: New upstream version available" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/648230 [14:08] so that debian bug has been sat there for nearly a year [14:09] crikey [14:09] not unusual really [14:09] there are whole swathes of stuff that nobody cares about [14:10] of course, surely there's nothing wrong with canonical packaging up the patch and then sending it upstream, right? [14:10] well canonical doesn't care about it [14:10] If nobody cares then patches don't get made or applied [14:10] this situation is where the distribution concept falls down [14:11] nobody cares who can do anything about it [14:11] is there a patch? [14:11] there is a new upstream version that works [14:11] but it's not coming downstream? [14:11] nope [14:11] blocked by apathy [14:12] heh [14:12] so we have a broken old version in the repositories, the new version is out there, it would be better if we didn't have that package at all [14:12] and people could install it via pip or whatever and it would work [14:12] if it's important - like a security fix - then someone needs to spring into action [14:12] it is a python driver for MS SQL [14:13] ah, MS [14:13] so you can write stuff to read MSSQL databases and squirt the data into postgres or other real database [14:13] sounds useful probably only in a business context [14:13] yeah :( [14:14] the "only in a business" context doesn't get much love [14:14] Here at home I don't have any microsoft servers [14:15] neither do I, but one of my clients was migrating some legacy data from an old MS SQL thing over to OpenERP so I was writing scripts to do that early this year and discovered the problem [14:15] I see [14:16] AlanBell: I'd have thrown it together in C# tbh [14:16] which reminds me to update my speechbot [14:17] daubers: well I threw it together in python because that is what openERP is written in, there are any number of languages that could have been used [14:18] c# probably needs some kind of ODBC driver or something too [14:18] Probably I need the proprietary ATI drivers. If I play a YouTube video, and then try to do anything else it's like the sky has fallen in. It didn't used to be this bad. [14:18] bashrc: you might be using llvmpipe which is software rendering [14:19] possibly [14:19] AlanBell: True, :) I just assume it has better MSSQL support [14:20] one improvement in 12.10...an Emacs 24 package [14:20] * daubers downgrades immediatley [14:20] :p [14:34] http://soundcloud.com/ubuntu-audiocast/ubuntu-audiocast-episode-02 [14:51] i had to stop listening about half way through, it got annoying [14:54] it's quite funny [14:55] like 1950s hipsters + ubuntu [14:57] popey: Well, at least it doesn't have ten gazillion radio jingles like linux outlaws...I've never got through an entire LO podcast as yet [14:57] heh [14:57]