[00:01] <jjesse-home> wow update slowed way down
[00:01] <jjesse-home> must be everyone home from work and the tiger game doing updates :)
[00:01] <jjesse-home> and something must have crashed cause i can't switch between windows now
[00:01] <jjesse-home> and have no dash
[00:04] <snap-l> pro-tip: If you call my house, and I don't answer, it's likely because I don't recognize th number. If you don't leave a message, I will not call you back
[00:05] <greg-g> pro-tip: I don't have a land line. If you called one thinking it was me, it wasn't.
[00:05] <snap-l> I have received two phone calls from the same number
[00:05] <greg-g> snap-l: I've gotten a few of those from some 206 number lately
[00:10] <snap-l> Also, pro-tip: If you have to look me up in the phone book, chances are I'm not answering the phone
[00:28] <derekv> ohhai
[01:08] <jjesse-home> i get a lot of phone calls on my cell w a boat horn and then an offer for a cruise
[02:19] <dzho> jjesse-home: yup, got those for a while, too.
[02:19] <dzho> I set the ring tone to "silent" for those numbers.
[02:19] <jjesse-home> my cell phone is my work phone so i get all kinds of unkown numbers calling it
[02:19] <jjesse-home> so its a pain when i answer it
[03:04] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://uploads.mitechie.com/sawbench_dvd.iso warning big file :)
[03:42] <greg-g> rick_h_: w00t! thanks :)
[11:31] <rick_h_> morning
[11:45] <brousch> ug
[11:45] <brousch> We lost power at 3:30pm yesterday. I came back at 7 and started things up, but forgot to do an integrity check, so I had to go back in at 6AM to fix crap that broke
[11:51] <rick_h_> that sucks
[11:52] <brousch> 3rd outage in  less than a week
[11:54] <brousch> OH man, no CD ISO for ubuntu 12.10?
[11:55] <rick_h_> nope, 800mb dvd I think or usb it up
[11:55] <rick_h_> but finally no 64bit vs non 64bit
[11:56] <brousch> Desktop recommends 32bit still
[11:58] <brousch> server still fits on 12.10
[11:58] <brousch> ug, fits on cd
[12:02] <brousch> Kubuntu image is even bigger
[12:03] <brousch> wow, the background on this page was crazy slow http://xubuntu.org/
[12:04] <snap-l> pro-tip: calling my house at 8am is also not acceptable
[12:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: get out the vote!
[12:05] <snap-l> Epecially on a morning where both J and I didn't get much sleep, and had finally gotten back to sleep
[12:06] <snap-l> and on a morning where I work from home, and could sleep in a bit, and where J could also sleep in
[12:07] <brousch> Any time after 7:30 is fair game
[12:08] <brousch> Get up, slacker
[12:11] <snap-l> brousch: I'll tell this person that you're the new contact.
[12:11] <brousch> That's fine. I wake up at 6
[12:12] <snap-l> And you're on the west coast, and get home late
[12:12] <snap-l> call after 11pm Pacific
[12:14] <brousch> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:14] <brousch> 10pm is my bed time
[12:52] <snap-l> TIME TO LOCK IN YOUR WINDOWS 8: http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Oct-0-2012/win8preorder19/index-landing.html
[12:53] <brousch> woohoo!
[12:54] <brousch> There was a thread on the local small business Windows group about Office pricing and availability for the various Win8s. It was insane
[12:54] <snap-l> Yeah, you need a program just keep them straight
[12:55] <snap-l> "This is the Windows for folks who need more than the student version, but would rather not pay for all of the features of the professional version"
[12:55] <snap-l> "This is the Windows for folks who need the features of Professional, but don't want to shell out the money for Enterprise, which has all of the features that you'd really want in Professional"
[12:56] <snap-l> "This is the version of Windows for the family of four who doesn't want to settle for a minivan"
[12:57] <snap-l> "WIndows Cupholder edition"
[12:57] <brousch> Also the ARM vrsion of Windows which can only run new programs
[13:24] <nullspace> morning all, so what's the good word on 12.10?
[13:26] <snap-l> It's out
[13:33] <nullspace> yep, but what kinda changes can I expect? is boot time better?
[13:41] <snap-l> I think most of the changes are pretty transparent: unity performance updates
[13:41] <snap-l> Python 3 migration
[13:41] <snap-l> Better openstack support
[13:41] <snap-l> Those are the biggies tthat come to mind.
[13:41] <brousch> Better boot time? My Kubuntu 12.04 starts in like 10s
[13:42] <jjesse> don't forget amazon searches showing up in you dash
[13:42] <snap-l> Removal of Unity 2D in favor of just using the software render pipeline
[13:42] <snap-l> jjesse: I was conciously avoiding that. :)
[13:42] <snap-l> Frankly it's a moot point to argue
[13:43] <nullspace> brousch: on an ssd? sure but on a regular spinnig drive?
[13:43] <snap-l> It's yet another nit for folks to pick at, regardless of their real feelings on the issue
[13:44] <snap-l> nullspace: if I didn't have so much crap launching on boot, I'm sure my machine would be 10s
[13:44] <snap-l> but I'm running a Squeezebox server, imap server, etc.
[13:44] <brousch> ouch, 3d software render sounds painful on old computers
[13:44] <snap-l> brousch: It works OK in a VM
[13:44] <jjesse> brousch, i did the upgrade yesterday and had no problems
[13:44] <jjesse> brousch,  used it all last night w/ nothing breaking
[13:44] <jjesse> on the kubuntu side
[13:45] <snap-l> brousch: If you were using UNity 2D, you already were using it
[13:45] <brousch> cool
[13:45] <snap-l> just not directly.
[13:45] <snap-l> especially if you were using the desktop in a VM
[13:58] <brousch> I don't have Unity of any kind running anywhere right now
[14:01] <rick_h_> http://victorpalau.net/2012/10/19/nexus-7-raring-to-go-to-copenhaguen/
[14:01] <rick_h_> can have unity running on there :P
[14:05] <brousch> How do mouseover menus in the top bar work with a touch interface?
[14:06] <rick_h_> I don't know, but part of unity's mission has been to prep for multiple device form factors like this so must work somehow
[14:10] <brousch> You have more faith than I
[14:23] <jjesse> how do i install ubuntu on my nexus?
[14:37] <brousch> jjesse: Come on now, I've covered that at half a dozen user group meetings :P
[14:37] <jjesse> ah well i keep missing it
[14:38] <brousch> http://linuxonandroid.org/
[14:53] <snap-l> If any of you folks are interested in security (firewalls, network security, etc.) please let me know
[14:54] <krondor> snap-l:  I am, though 'interested in security' is pretty broad
[14:54] <snap-l> brousch: That's about all of the specifics I have at the moment.
[14:55] <snap-l> Security Administrator (4+ years experience in maintaining security walls/devices and network traffic)
[14:55] <krondor> ah gotcha, not that kind of interested
[14:57] <snap-l> krondor: Yeah, sorry. We don't have anything like "designing portable crypto-cubes to keep the internet and prying eyes at bay"
[14:57]  * snap-l makes a note to design portable crypto-cubes
[14:57] <snap-l> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1757.html <- hah
[15:06] <krondor> snap-l:  this idea intrigues me.. I'm thinking like IBM's holo cube stuff + encrypted volumes and an ssh key passing docking device with yubikey support for pin code
[18:16] <greg-g> rick_h_droid: I'm having trouble with that iso download, I tohught it was the coffee shop wifi, but even from my colo'd server it is dropping out every now and then
[18:16] <greg-g> are you serving from your mifi? ;)
[18:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: :(
[18:16] <rick_h_> no, that's from S3 directly
[18:16] <rick_h_> Amazon S3 that is
[18:16] <greg-g> huh, interesting
[18:17] <greg-g> well, I'll let it think on it for a while
[18:17] <rick_h_> yea, wouldn't have expected it to be an issue. I can try to stick it on another network I guess. Pull it to a colo server
[18:18] <rick_h_> <3 pulling to my ec2 instance with wget getting 25MB/s transfer lol
[18:18] <rick_h_> eta 2.0min
[18:18] <rick_h_> for a freaking 4.2GB file
[18:19] <greg-g> I'm getting 22k/s :/
[18:19] <rick_h_> ouch
[18:19] <rick_h_> well in 40s can give you a link off the server hosting bookie, still ec2 but not on S3
[18:19] <greg-g> eta 5days ;)
[18:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: https://bmark.us/static/sawbench_dvd.iso try that
[18:25] <greg-g> weird, my colo
[18:26] <greg-g> 'd server won't go over 30k/s
[18:26] <rick_h_> greg-g: :( still can't get it
[18:26] <greg-g> but here at the coffee shop I'm getting 615
[18:28] <rick_h_> 615k?
[18:29] <greg-g> and now down to 400ish
[18:29] <greg-g> heh, my "/second, yeah" didn't come through, obviously
[18:29] <greg-g> and, to be clear, it's actually a big K
[18:29] <greg-g> :)
[18:29] <rick_h_> ok cool. So not the server then
[18:30] <greg-g> right, my colo oddness
[18:30] <rick_h_> yea sorry, normally things are pretty quick out of my s3/ec2 stuff
[18:30] <greg-g> not your fault, sorry i thought it was
[18:47] <jjesse> from the command line, how do i do a do-release-upgrade from 12.04.1 to 12.10?
[18:47] <jjesse> as do-release-upgrade gives n new release found
[18:48] <jjesse> do i have pass a do-release-upgrade -d?  though i though that was for the dev release
[18:49] <greg-g> the LTS might not like being upgraded to a non-lts?
[18:52] <brousch> maybe -p
[18:53] <rick_h_> jjesse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades
[18:57] <jjesse> thanks Ric
[18:57] <jjesse> rick_h_,
[19:04] <jrwren> jjesse: i mentioned it after you left last time.
[19:04] <jjesse> jrwren,  thanks sorry i missed it
[19:05] <jrwren>  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  should say Prompt=normal, not lts
[19:47] <snap-l> http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20121019/08002820762/ftc-offers-50000-to-whoever-can-come-up-with-way-to-stop-rachel-cardholder-services.shtml <- who is with me
[19:48] <snap-l> ?
[19:50] <brousch> What's your idea?
[19:50] <greg-g> I'm in
[19:50] <brousch> All of the ones I come up with involve physical harm
[19:50] <greg-g> step 1: burn all.... oh, brousch stole my idea
[19:57] <snap-l> WEll, the main problem is how the phone system currently works. It's similar to mail servers in that you have good and rogue servers all talking to each other
[19:57] <greg-g> right, so, basically, they're asking for a spam "solution."
[19:57] <snap-l> what you need is some way of figuring out which is which with the phone system.
[19:58] <greg-g> There's a worksheet for that.
[19:58] <greg-g> http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt
[19:58] <snap-l> Yeah yeah, I know.
[19:59] <greg-g> that is the beauty of the open internet
[19:59] <greg-g> we can all participate
[19:59] <greg-g> any cure will require people to be able to have a  "mark this caller as spam" function
[19:59] <greg-g> effectively
[19:59] <greg-g> option 1) move everyone to Google Voice
[20:00] <brousch> That should be easier than email addresses
[20:00] <snap-l> Problem is I can't reliably determine who xx-xxx-xxxx is without caller ID
[20:00] <snap-l> and caller ID can be forged.
[20:00] <brousch> There are fewer phone numbers
[20:00] <greg-g> right
[20:00] <greg-g> spammers also forge from: fields all the time
[20:00] <greg-g> but we have the X-headers that give us real info, what is the analog for phones?
[20:00] <brousch> The frickin phone company knows who is calling who
[20:00] <greg-g> ATT surely knows
[20:00] <greg-g> right
[20:01] <greg-g> so, simply a number you can call that is a "please mark the last person who called me as a spammer, please"
[20:01] <snap-l> You also deal with everybody'sd favorite L word: legacy.
[20:01] <greg-g> I like my idea there
[20:01] <greg-g> Did you receive a spam phone call? Call this number right afterwords and ATT/whoever will log it as a spammer
[20:02] <greg-g> but, that requires user participation, and that doesn't scale, nevermind
[20:02] <greg-g> though, I wonder how far it could get
[20:07] <brousch> Appify it
[20:17] <snap-l> Well, it's also like the DO Not Call LIst
[20:18] <snap-l> which on the surface is a great idea, save for folks who flaunt that they're not using it
[20:21] <greg-g> brousch: snap-l there's an app that lets you take pictures of junk physical mail, and it will automatically remove you (if it can) from their lists.
[20:21] <greg-g> similar thing
[20:33] <brousch> snap-l: Your OMC challenge: find something like this in CC http://dopethrone.bandcamp.com/
[20:37] <greg-g> brousch: snap-l OK, the uber privacy invading option. An app that connects to your phone provider account, lets you scroll through you call history (outgoing/incoming) and report certain calls as spam. Easy/intuitive interface to any smart phone user.
[20:39] <greg-g> the phone companies need to play along, though, the crux of any idea. ugh
[20:41] <brousch> The app would actually be pretty easy, at least on Android
[20:42] <greg-g> yeah
[20:42] <greg-g> the buyin on the telco side though.....
[20:43] <greg-g> snap-l: maybe we could demo with Ting ;)
[20:43] <brousch> Preventing false reports would be tough without telco
[20:44] <greg-g> yeah, I'm gonna mark any call from any bill collector as spam ;)
[20:48] <brousch> I mean totally false, like numbers that never called you
[20:48] <brousch> Reporting your ex-wife as spam so her phone is taken away
[20:49] <greg-g> oh, right
[20:49] <greg-g> hehe, good idea
[20:50] <brousch> I guess you could prevent it by checking that it was reported by a certain number of unique sources
[20:51] <brousch> Until 4chan decides to mark the whitehouse as spam
[20:51] <widox> greg-g: talking about paperkarma? it works good!
[20:53] <brousch> greg-g: I might take a stab at the client as an exercise in android-python27 and the Android aPI
[20:53] <greg-g> widox: yeah! that's what it is called, I forgot
[20:54] <greg-g> brousch: sweet
[20:54] <greg-g> seriously, I think we should pitch this to Ting
[20:54] <greg-g> they have a meetup here in SF on .... uh... lemme see
[20:55] <greg-g> oct 26
[20:55] <snap-l> greg-g: I think they'd need Sprint's permission to make something like this work.
[20:55] <greg-g> damnit, I can't make it, I have a dinner in Mountain View that night :/
[20:56] <snap-l> I think part of the problem is the cobbled mess of regulations that make up our phone company of today.
[20:56] <greg-g> snap-l: def, but I know that if Craig, Greg, and Ben ask Sprint for this, they won't even look at our email. But maybe if Ting asks
[20:56] <snap-l> Worth a shot, since bot Craig and Greg are current customers
[20:57]  * greg-g nods
[20:57] <greg-g> and I'm adding Carrie, and maybe her parents
[20:57] <greg-g> (to my account, to save money for all involved)
[20:57] <snap-l> Yeah, I added my FIL to get him off of Tracfone
[20:57] <greg-g> they'r eon Verizon, hella expensive
[20:57] <snap-l> And I think I piqued JoDee's interest.
[20:58] <snap-l> We're paying $100 a month for JoDee's phone
[20:58] <greg-g> fuck me
[20:58] <brousch> Oh nice. The bug I found in Kubuntu 12.04 at the bug jam last year is reported as fixed in 12.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/945805
[20:58] <snap-l> for something she essentially uses as a web browser.
[20:58] <snap-l> brousch: Very cool
[20:58] <snap-l> and e-mail and messaging
[20:59] <greg-g> alright, mosying home
[20:59] <snap-l> greg-g: Have fun moseying
[20:59] <brousch> I thought they killed off mosey
[23:02] <greg-g> Entropy isn't what it used to be.
[23:02] <brousch> Is that a physics joke?
[23:03] <greg-g> why yes, yes it is