[05:18] morning [05:37] morning [05:53] morning all [05:54] morning Kilos [05:56] hey DigiGram [05:56] hey Squirm [05:58] any one test driving Quantal yet? [06:00] busy downloading server and the xubuntu desktop edition now [06:00] is the web apps feature in ubuntu itself or unity? [06:38] Morn! [06:38] * Kilos greets those not individually greeted [06:38] and the lurkers [06:41] hi sakhi DigiGram Squirm jrgns SmilyBorg_w Tonberry queery Vince-0 [06:41] lol hi Kilos [06:42] funny peeps here, if you dont pull their chains the dont flush === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:42] Morning Kilos #ubuntu-za [06:42] Ya, my webchat client doesn't flash [06:42] I greeted earlier, but then we had some network issues [06:42] hey folks [06:42] ah poor client [06:43] i saw DigiGram you are not included [06:46] we should get a ruling, login-greet-lurk [06:46] i never know who i can nag and who not [06:47] well you can always try and wait for a respons [06:47] lol [06:47] i give up for now with the whatsapp thing [06:48] we have a chat space on campus, similiar to IRC, currently with 346 users, only about 6 talking, 12 at the most hehe [06:48] (always the same 6) [06:48] android-sdk doesnt remember what is installed and downloads everytime [06:49] ya lurking is a popular pastime [06:49] I had troubles with the SDK as well, so I decided not to learn android programming [06:50] it could be nice if not for needing to reload everything everytime from the net [06:50] lol yeah [06:50] whole months data gone on one program [06:50] eclipse killed me [06:51] and dont even need it [06:51] the fly showed me how [06:52] it installs updates then tells you to relogin and needs to start over again grrr [06:53] it needs a sdk-cache [06:53] or archives [06:55] lo bmg505 [06:55] hi Hodgestar long time no hear, all good there? [07:44] good morning [07:44] Maaz: coffee on [07:44] * Maaz washes some mugs [07:45] Maaz, coffee please [07:45] DigiGram: Alrighty [07:45] Maaz, coffee please [07:45] Kilos: Yessir [07:45] hi Kilos, DigiGram [07:45] Maaz, with cremora [07:45] Ah! At last someone with taste [07:45] Maaz, and milk [07:45] Now you're talking [07:46] hi charlvn [07:46] lol [07:47] Maaz, sugar please [07:47] DigiGram: Go get it yourself! [07:47] :D [07:47] pft [07:47] hehe [07:48] yo inetpro [07:48] Coffee's ready for charlvn, DigiGram and Kilos! [07:48] thanx maaz [07:49] Maaz: thanks [07:49] charlvn: No problem [07:49] no cookies for you [07:49] Maaz, thanks man [07:49] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [07:58] bbl [07:59] same here, bbl === DigiGram is now known as Digi||Gram === Digi||Gram is now known as DigiGram [08:19] hmmmm === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [10:47] hey [10:47] anyone awake? [10:47] zzzz [10:47] can I get some constructive criticism of my new website :) [10:47] www.alstonnetworks.net [10:48] unfortunately i'm on my way out [10:50] simple, clean and fresh [11:00] hi guys [11:01] and gals [11:01] and in betweens [11:01] kilos, can you gimme comments on my new website? [11:01] before I publish the url [11:01] www.alstonnetworks.net [11:01] link? [11:01] ok sec [11:04] network architecture an s missing [11:04] ensures [11:05] it is the design that ensure future scalability of t [11:06] * Symmetria fixes [11:09] Technical backstopping [11:10] so that companies who's [11:10] whose is the right word i think [11:10] you're right :) fixed [11:12] in my opinion it looks good Symmetria short sweet and to the point [11:12] professional [11:13] and no flashing pictures and adverts [11:13] i like it, but ask for more comments from these IT guys [11:13] Thanks mate [11:13] np === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [11:18] yo inetpro is jy al wakker??? [11:18] and where the fly today [11:19] * Kilos gets the superdoom ready [11:20] am gonna move the address identification code to a footer [11:20] on the page [11:26] have you moved it yet [11:26] still looks same [11:27] Kilos: is the rain coming? [11:27] yip inetpro but bits bits [11:27] still clear too the south [11:28] looks like I be wet laters [11:29] nah, waiting for my template designer to give me code :p [11:34] methinks it will be done by hometime inetpro [11:34] sun out here again [11:35] Symmetria, and contact gives a 404 error [11:35] fixed [11:35] I think :) [11:35] refresh and recheck? [11:36] nope [11:36] still 404 [11:36] hrm [11:36] thats better [11:37] aahh I see, its still broken on some pages though [11:37] fixed now [11:37] I know why [11:39] fixed :) [11:40] good now to advertise it all over [11:41] hiya superfly [11:41] welcome to #ubuntu-za [11:44] Symmetria, why no https? [11:44] if i can https i can ipv6 to your site [11:45] Kerbero lol, I need to add a cert etc to it, will get there [11:45] hmm [11:45] i guess i can temporarily disable my transproxy for port 80 [11:47] Symmetria, btw, without the www. in front i get a file listing [11:47] not good [11:47] ok that I can have fixed [11:47] "You are using IPv6, your address is 2001:470:1f09:385:d472:88a8:6ba3:ff4b" [11:47] \o/ [11:48] gonna have the machine owner fix the virtual hosting in a second [11:48] hmm [11:49] soem times your site picks up my ipv4 addy [11:49] and other times the ipv6 [11:49] operating system? [11:49] ubuntu [11:49] latest version? [11:49] firefox [11:49] 12.04 [11:50] * Symmetria wonders if linux has implemented happy eyeballs rfc [11:50] o [11:50] what is that? [11:50] it basically runs a check to see which has better latency [11:50] and uses that [11:50] o [11:50] well both should be roughly the same [11:50] well [11:50] ipv4 should be a little better [11:51] one less tunnel [11:52] what do you think of the overall design? I tried ot keep it relatively simple [11:52] but professional [11:52] it is indeed [11:53] some of those services we provide are pretty niche as well [11:53] "we" as in you? [11:53] lol [11:53] Kerbero yes, but *grin* you never SAY that :) [11:53] lol [11:53] *shrug* I had to put up a website because I needed something to link off another page [11:54] http://www.ubuntunet.net/uc_2012 <=== the link isnt up back to my page yet, but you'll see my represented there [11:54] * bakuman likes that the site is simple [11:54] :P was a very proud moment for me when I got to the point where I was making enough to afford a marketting budget that let me sponsor something like that [11:54] (because gold sponsorship of any conference = holy hell expensive) [11:54] loads easily even on my slow home internet [11:54] o [11:54] :P I put in the same amount of cash into that conference that seacom did [11:56] lol [11:56] wow [11:56] its strange when running your own business, its those moments that you remeber, its not the deals you did or the clients you made, those come and go [11:56] so how many cellphone numbers do you ahve? [11:56] its when you get to milestones like "I finally got to the point where I can afford a marketting budget of a few thousand dollars" [11:56] hahaha just the one at the moment :) if you have another number for me other than whats listed on there, you have an old one [11:57] hmm [11:57] ok [11:57] Symmetria, is alstonnetworks.net going to point to tha same page as www.alstonnetworks.net? [11:57] ok gtg, chat again soon [12:03] yeah it will :) [12:17] Symmetria seems to be working now [12:18] hmm... there is a comma missing in that sentence [12:55] SmilyBorg: Trying to get Ubuntu chroot to boot off phone hdmi out like Webtop - [12:55] Don't think its feasible (alpha) for a demo tomorrow [12:56] I remember there being a number of packages in the play store that would do it, but they probably had things tweaked to output currectly [12:56] noo, those are all instructions to get a chroot working [12:57] the hard part is getting it to work as Webtop - [12:57] actually got webtop 2.0 working without a dock - its debian based and very neat but I doubt I'd use it regularly [12:58] oh. oki [12:58] Webtop 3 comes with ICS and is just ICS [12:58] webtop 2 is a debian based thing Moto came up with - [12:59] not that practical unless you have the Lapdock device (R4.5k) [12:59] so im doing ICS upgrade now and just use it as is [12:59] nice concept though - bit early still. ubuntu on android will still be a while [13:01] Ubuntu on Android sounds nice but getting the phone vendors to bite seems like an uphill battle to me. They should partner with the 3rd part mod guys like CyanogenMod so that it can get into the hands of real people. Once people see what it can do, then the vendors might be more likely to bite [13:02] yeah, cyano and openkang are pushing OTA mechanisms [13:02] this moto still has a locked boot-loader [13:03] so I can't do much with the kernel [13:08] afternoon all [13:13] haai [13:17] hey [13:18] I hope I have enough flash drives to get all these ISOs home [13:20] how many you taking SmilyBorg ? [13:21] ISOs? all of them. I've got the repos downloading at home and busy downloading all the ISOs from ubuntu.mirror.ac.za at work. I think that should cover any eventuality for our release party tomorrow [13:23] seems they are all under a gig so they should all fit on my 16GB flash drive [13:24] cool, if they can't, then it probable can't be covered [13:25] I doubt someone is going to pitch with a power PC machine [13:25] which one are going to? [13:26] i386, amd64, amd64+mac and maybe armhf+omap4 [13:26] desktop and server [13:26] busy on the mac ones at the moment [13:26] I've seen all of those platforms at our previous get togethers [13:28] I really wish they would go back and do ARM6 again. would like ubuntu on my raspberry pi [13:32] which one are going to, SmilyBorg ? [13:32] you^ [13:32] I organized the Durban get together [13:37] so magespawn did you win [13:38] not yet Kilos, this one is a real cow [13:38] wow [13:38] cool SmilyBorg would have liked to come, but alas. [13:38] Maybe next time? [13:39] you are on the DBN-LUG list now I think? [13:40] i think so yes [13:40] ya. I saw your join request and approved it [13:41] cool ty [13:41] no prob [13:50] inetpro, maybe you should go home early [13:51] very dark sky there in the north [13:52] magespawn, the grub> or the winsucks one [13:52] ? [13:58] the grub one is sorted, busy with the qq update now [14:00] eish! [14:00] Kilos: to late [14:01] I can see it coming down in buckets on that side [14:01] oh my === DigiGram is now known as Digi||Gram [14:06] So, how are they 12.10 ISOs holding up? Any big screws I should be aware of before I do a fresh install? [14:06] s/screws/screw ups/ [14:07] :D [14:07] I used the beta 1 iso to install my laptop and it was fine, though that was a while back [14:07] hrm [14:07] anyone here have any example code for a nice php contact form? [14:07] I need one for my website [14:07] :P [14:07] and my coding / webdev sucks ass :) [14:08] www.alstonnetworks.net <=== wanna put a php contact form on the contacts page :) [14:11] dunno about the contact form Symmetria. Though I'm curious about your IPv6 Deployment services. You mention assisting with dealing with providers. Does that mean that you have found an ISP in ZA willing to provide IPv6? [14:15] hey Hodgestar [14:15] inetpro, dit gooi klippe hier nou [14:16] SmilyBorg yes [14:16] cool. who? [14:16] we have ways to getting v6 deployed to corporate clients [14:17] SmilyBorg I.S, but only if you know how to talk to them and organize it, home user connectivity is virtually no-go [14:17] TENET does v6 for its academic clients as well [14:17] and SAIX can do v6 for their big corporate clients as well if you really push [14:17] I've had to run tunnles to europe for ages for training and testing purposes [14:17] k. I knew about TENET [14:17] *hrm* who is your provider? [14:18] but when I asked last year, the major providers either didnt respond or would only offer a tunnel for test purposes [14:18] that was when I was doing a presentation on IPv6 [14:19] Kilos: ai [14:19] Kilos: hael? [14:19] yip grotes inetpro [14:19] I work for a small ISP called Xtranet. We have connections to MWEB, VOX and Neotel [14:19] verby nou [14:20] *hrm* Neotel you're gonna struggle with [14:20] MWEB you peer with or you buy transit from? [14:20] think just peer for now [14:21] If I talk v6 to people, most of the time, I have to admit its with I.S and in the academic space where its easy [14:21] I think there was talk of us getting some transit from frogfoot too, but I'm so out of the loop that I could be way off [14:21] * SmilyBorg nods [14:21] I was behind the TENET ipv6 rollout in the first place [14:21] cool [14:21] also just did the UFS Ipv6 rollout uplinked to TENET [14:21] nice [14:22] (Actually, I was behind the TENET network design as it currently stands, Im ex TENET CTO) [14:22] I've been playing with it in my home network and in test environments since the afrinic conference that was in Durban. 2007 I think [14:22] it works if deployed properly, works just fine, UFS does 60% of their internet traffic on it [14:23] have had my VPS in .de dual stack for ages [14:23] nice [14:24] SmilyBorg: maybe you should talk to froztbyte in #glug.za [14:25] SmilyBorg oh thats also true [14:25] neology can do v6 for you as well [14:25] either Froztbyte or Ambo can assist there [14:26] I think I remember hearing about neology [14:26] and I heard about glug getting v6 [14:26] no, wait that was the wug [14:27] I'm too tired to keep things straight [14:27] honestly, I'm getting tired of telling people that they need to start thinking about v6 [14:28] SmilyBorg: GLUG = Gauteng Linux User Group [14:28] just join #glug.za [14:28] though I have had some guys here in Durban asking me to do some basic training [14:28] * SmilyBorg nods [14:28] thanks inetpro, like I said. rather tired [14:28] np [14:29] he's in there most of the time anyway [14:29] SmilyBorg: Thanks! [14:29] maybe I'll give the guys a shout next week when I'm more awake [14:29] lol [14:29] ark, and I still need to finish setting up the mirror server for the party tomorrow [14:30] SmilyBorg, dont forget pics for the report hey? [14:30] ya. I'll be sure to take some and ask everyone else to take pics too [14:31] hopefully we will have the same little nook in the coffee shop as before [14:33] it was nice and cozy [14:34] and having a cute geeky boy sitting next to me didn't hurt ;-) [14:37] hahaha [14:37] good girl [14:41] SmilyBorg :) sent ya a message [14:54] The iso is too big for my blank CD. Bleh. [14:55] they are DVD/flash drive images as of 12.10 [14:55] might work on those fancy "overburn" disks though, but I haven't seen those in ages [14:55] come to think of it, I haven't used a CD in ages [14:56] I don't have any DVDs. Hmm. [14:57] Also, they're kind of tiny for DVDs. [14:57] ya [14:58] I've just been using flash drives for ages [14:58] * Hodgestar tries flash disk. [15:00] I've used MultiSystem to load multiple ISOs on one flash drive in the past. Really handy for carrying around multiple distros or multiple versions of the installer http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ [15:01] Cool. I have a spare 2G flash disk so I'm just using usb-creator for now. [15:01] but unetbootin and the ubuntu startup disk creator are fairly decent too [15:01] k [15:09] * Hodgestar wonders whether to try Unity again. I've sort of gotten used to Awesome again now. [15:13] wow SmilyBorg that multisystem looks good [15:14] ya. its really handy [15:14] hi Cantide [15:14] hello :) [15:17] 12.10 doesn't seem much different from 12.04 [15:17] and web apps seem a bit buggy .-. [15:21] haha just read in one mail the guy says its awesome [15:21] it is awesome, don't get me wrong :p [15:22] better than 12.04? [15:22] whats improved [15:22] can you have many desktops now [15:23] looks like 4 is still the max [15:23] but i seldom use more than 1 anyway [15:23] so for me that's not a big deal [15:35] lol i use 9 or ten otherwise cant find what im looking for [15:39] hello! [15:39] hi '< [15:41] '< ? [15:43] hey kbmonkey [15:43] well hello magespawn ! [15:44] long time, you been busy? [15:45] yes, but now i have a table to work at and bought a new sim databundle :D [15:45] turns out 8ta covers my area good [15:46] '< <- pacman [15:47] or biting... either way [15:47] waka waka waka [15:47] '-' [15:51] cool [15:54] ha ha [15:55] I'm checking out a python based blog engine, blogofile [15:56] for some reason my site is not online anymore :/ a new site is warranted [16:16] heh [16:16] I just replaced every mouse on every pc in this house [16:16] with a wired mouse [16:17] :P my puppy decided that all my cordless mice were belong to her [16:17] and made great things to steal and run off with [16:18] hah! animals do the darndest things (tm) [16:20] :P I've lost 3 cordless mice to her [16:20] the last one I only knew was gone when I found bits of it in the garden and the other half of it in her mouth [16:20] with her looking very pleased with herself [16:20] :p [16:33] 43 minutes to my first compiz crash. :/ [16:39] yay superfly both pcs sharing on kubuntu as well now [16:39] * KilosK happy [16:40] hi [16:40] hi Squirm [16:44] now just sound in xchat then kde be kiff [16:45] inetpro, het jy darem droog by die huis aan gekom [16:45] i am off home good night all. [16:45] go well magespawn [17:00] anyone else here using Eclipse? [17:00] specifically CDT? [17:11] meh, if anyone is interested, if you have any problems running Eclipse CDT, try running "sudo apt-get --reinstall install tzdata-java" [17:20] this is quite a nice html5 speed test app: http://speedof.me/ [17:46] hi smileE17 Ludo [17:46] inetpro, you here [17:47] KilosK: :D === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [18:16] hi smileE17 [18:16] hi KilosK [18:17] hi charlvn [18:17] for people who have the bandwidth, here is an incredibly interesting video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yfrVdtu6I [18:17] hi charlvn :p [18:18] charlvn: I'm listening [18:25] Well that's very weird to see such a man on television [18:37] bye [18:40] yup [18:40] scary but insightful [18:41] hello KilosK ! [18:41] and superfly [18:41] hi kbmonkey wb [18:41] nuvolari, o/ [18:42] ohi kbmonkey! [18:42] 8D [18:42] i got me some internets [18:42] about time too [18:44] i was on a loong bus ride monday [18:45] 13 hours. plus the day before and after, a full 36 hour day [18:50] wow where you went or where you came from? [18:50] hi kbmonkey [18:51] hi charlvn [18:51] grahamstown for a long weekend [18:51] heavy rains slowed the trip [19:02] ah [19:11] its still raining now [19:14]