=== mmcc_ is now known as mmcc [05:07] Got lots done. Now I should get some sleep. [05:07] Night all! [08:39] good morning from london! [08:41] mandel: aloha! [08:42] czajkowski, hello! [08:42] czajkowski, hey, will you be in copenhaguen next week? [08:42] mandel: you there for the day ? [08:42] mandel: nope not next week, just the UDS part [08:42] czajkowski, all the weekend :) [08:42] czajkowski, oh, just opposite to me [08:42] czajkowski, I cant make it to uds because I had a tip booked for my holidays [08:47] mandel: awww :( [08:49] czajkowski, well, it was left to the very end... [08:56] Happy Day-after-release Day, everyone! :-D [09:14] czajkowski, meh, sorry compiz just crashed.. [09:16] mandel: no worries :) [09:16] file a bug :p [09:17] czajkowski, is more due to working with unity un-stable [09:17] mandel: you're on 13.04 already :o [09:18] czajkowski, even more scary, unity trunk! [09:20] * mandel reboots due to updates.. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:34] running the unity staging ppa is a bad idea.. [09:34] meh, had to re-install the entire thing [10:56] karni, ping [11:02] mandel: pong, hi [11:02] good morning! [11:03] Morning! [11:03] Hi gatox [11:03] karni, hi o/ [11:04] karni, gatox, can you pm you u1 email to me [11:05] to send you a share with books [11:05] mvo, I already added you, not all the books are there yet... is uploading slowly [11:05] Sure [11:05] mandel, awesome, thx! [11:06] :) [11:15] karni, gatox, mvo, their is a fair amount of garbage there.. I need to make a list of must read/ignore [11:17] mandel, yep..... i'm not sure i'm going to be able to read all of that before the sprint jeje [11:20] gatox, well, the qt ones I'm sure you don't need, there is a c++11 one which is really good to read [11:20] mandel, i'll start with that one [11:20] and there beginners one, with those two people should be fine [11:20] :D [11:20] gatox, is not yet uploaded, or so I think [11:20] mandel, ah ok..... yes, the qt ones i already read them [11:21] gatox, exactly, is just the entire collection I had [11:30] gatox, karni I do recommend to read the Bjarne_Stroustrup one just because of him :P [11:31] mandel, yep..... i read that when i enter my other job :P [11:32] gatox, karni, then go for cpp11Notes2012-01-06 which explains the diffs in the new C++11 iso [11:32] mandel, will do [11:33] mandel: Sounds good, thank you :) [11:47] mandel, do you know how to learn c++ in 21 days? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_va-p5aIxayA/S5VN50k8fOI/AAAAAAAADOg/dKaw4NSvLXs/s1600-h/aprender-programar-21-dias.png [11:59] good morning! [11:59] ralsina, hi [12:06] holas [12:07] hi dobey! Figured out the linking issue :-) [12:07] dobey: failed partial update to quantal, and the binary linked two libs, one that linked to each version of libpulseaudio [12:08] how would a failed partial update cause that? do qt apps all do a weird relink on install in the packages thing? [12:09] mandel: have you found anything weird in the logs I gave yesterday? [12:10] morning ralsina o/ hi dobey [12:10] dobey: apparently not *all* qt apps, but some [12:10] hi karni! [12:11] \o [12:11] dobey: I had never seen ldd report linking to two sonames of a lib before [12:11] ralsina: that is, to say the least, quite insane. [12:11] dobey: it's a first for me too [12:11] ralsina: i have, but only when gcc actually linked both at compile time [12:12] dobey: but I fixed it and the binary is still the same [12:12] ralsina: had seen it a lot in the past for some apps when for example gtk+ or some gnome libraries broke ABI and the soname changed, and some deps were linked to the other version than the app itself used. [12:13] in any case, this Q update is annoying me brutally [12:13] lol [12:13] http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html [12:14] dobey: hahahah [12:19] dobey: anyways, how did you find that? reddit/digg? [12:19] I doubt you were googling germanium :) [12:19] I'd like to see more of such pages ;D [12:19] karni: mentalguy rt'd it on twitter [12:20] dobey: Ah, kewl :) [12:20] https://twitter.com/hirodusk/status/259081565584359425 [12:20] dobey: that undergrad needs to be introduced to sticky tape. [12:21] because yes, welding cables to arbitrary things usually doesn't work [12:25] I'll pick up my flat mate with his lcd screen from the city center, and might grab lunch on the way. Back in a while! [12:28] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 307 not upgraded. 1165 not fully installed or removed. [12:28] sigh [12:29] i did have an idea for pyflakes earlier today though; will need a little help from someone with a mac and win buildout set up [12:29] dobey: you can do a linux buildout too :) [12:30] ralsina: i need platform-specific data though :) [12:30] i can just run python in linux to get what i need there :) [12:32] i need the result of this: [12:32] python -c "print('\n'.join(dir(__builtins__)))" > builtins.txt [12:33] dobey: I am not @home today, so no mac, and quantal exploded vbox [12:33] gatox can help! [12:33] yeah i can wait for someone else to help :) [12:33] or mandel [12:33] and they are supposed to be here :) [12:34] i'm here [12:34] cool, gatox dobey wants that: ^ [12:34] gatox: ^^ can you send me the builtins.txt file from running that command on mac? [12:35] dobey, yep..... let me turn on the mac [12:40] dobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289190/ [12:41] thanks gatox [12:43] gatox: oh, maybe you know that - what's the revision win32 version of 3.0.2b was created from? [12:44] rye, no idea...... brian probably know that [12:45] rye: i think it's the release-3_0_2 tag, plus a few patches [12:45] rye: aren't the revnos in revnos.txt or whatever it is? [12:46] dobey: oh [12:46] dobey: you are right, wow! [12:49] yay, linux and mac builtins are the same at least [12:49] no weird DarwinError or anything [12:49] hello, all! [12:49] alecu, hi! [12:51] hola alecu [12:59] gatox: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-dev-tools/run-with-flakes/+merge/130432 please? [13:00] dobey, yes, on it! [13:00] thanks [13:03] gatox: maybe you can help here http://askubuntu.com/questions/202788/how-can-i-enable-ubuntu-one-indicator-in-12-10 [13:04] ralsina, will do..... i already write a document about that jeje [13:04] gatox: the strange thing is, on OMG they mentioned it as one of the 10 new features, and it wrked for them ;-) [13:04] oh [13:04] i just answered :) [13:04] dobey, ok..... less work for me [13:04] jeje [13:09] dobey, the branch looks good, and the tests pass....... but there are some lint issues..... should i ignore them? i ask because maybe this is already in trunk or something [13:09] gatox: oh? what lint issues? [13:09] dobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289256/ [13:10] gatox: oh, you don't have the patched pyflakes, as noted in the description of the merge :) [13:10] dobey, ahhhh sorry about that [13:10] dobey: so we are moving frm a patched pylint to a patched pyflakes? [13:11] ralsina: sort of; i patched pyflakes so we could get a move on. i'm also working on pushing the changes upstream [13:11] dobey: ok, at least there is hope of getting it merged :-) [13:11] dobey, +1 (upgrading) [13:12] ralsina: yeah, though upstream seems to be somewhat inactive (though it is the twisted guys). [13:17] ralsina, where should I place the documentation about nux etc.. [13:17] ralsina, or better say, unity intro for u1 developers :) [13:17] mandel: canonical wiki, wherever you feel like [13:18] http://askubuntu.com/questions/202992/why-do-i-get-a-cross-domain-policy-restriction-error-when-trying-to-stream-to-my [13:21] rye: http://askubuntu.com/questions/202641/ubuntu-one-error-message-stale-broker <- do you know about this? [13:22] hrmm, i really need to find some time to install my new hdd, and quantal, on my workstation === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:31] dobey, the weekend is coming :P [13:32] gatox: in which i would generally prefer to do other things. plus i theoretically have some prior engagements anyway :) [13:49] * karni back! [13:50] also i really don't like pulling my workstation out of the rack :) [13:51] ralsina, sorry, I just read the backlog.. stupid mac.. if you need any reviews let me know, I'm just writing nux examples :) [13:52] rye, I did not see anything weird, it just looks like the sd is no sending the start event to the state machine [13:52] dobey: also to be considered, you have a rack for your workstation. [13:52] rye, do you have the exception logs? [13:54] ralsina: well, it's mounted in the rack that's in my desk. yes :) [13:54] mandel: nope, there are no exception logs. I will now insert a lot of logger statements to track every call after the OffloadQueue and if something comes up then I will start poking [13:54] mandel: have fun with nux :) [13:55] ralsina: server/switch/patch/server raid are mounted in the rack on the other side of my desk :) [13:55] * dobey needs to clean his desk up a bit more and take a picture or two [13:57] rye, he, thx ;) [13:57] dobey, do leave the toilet paper on the table hehehehe [13:57] :P [13:59] alecu, ping [13:59] alecu, do you have a minute to discuss something? [14:00] gatox: for you? always! [14:00] alecu, jeje thx....... the thing is: [14:00] * alecu closes the computer and runs to package the remaining bags... byebye! [14:00] gatox: no, no, just kidding :-) [14:00] jejjee [14:01] alecu, i've been playing with what we talk the other day..... i have the proper classes creating interacting with filesystem manager and doing the search using the regular expression you mention [14:01] buttttttt [14:01] orsom [14:02] and in the proper folders........ but....... first: it can match things that are not just in the basename....... and the other problem i have....... is that if we are going to use regular expression..... we should escape all the special characters that the thing to search could have..... for example: (, \, ?, etccccc [14:03] so the thing is..... i can create a function that escape all the special characters in a regular expressoin..... but just wanted to check with you if you still think this is the proper way.... or should go back to use basename [14:03] gatox: you are right about the escaping, yes. [14:04] briancurtin: hi, how do i re-create the tree for 3.0.2b - i want to alter library.zip so that it was built from the same 3.0.2 sources [14:04] alecu, so.... what do you think is best? do a replace for each character in the string and escape all the special characters.... or use basename instead to avoid those string operations? [14:05] rye: i'll type up some directions, should have them in a few minutes [14:05] gatox: I would totally advice *against* doing a hand coded function to escape chars in a regex [14:05] mmh [14:05] gatox: so, let's check first if there's something already done [14:05] alecu, ok [14:06] alecu, i'll look for something for it [14:07] gatox: http://docs.python.org/library/re.html#re.escape [14:07] cuack [14:07] alecu, yep.... i found that in stackoverflow too [14:08] alecu, yep.... that works just fine..... just test it [14:08] gatox: awesome. This clears half of the path [14:09] gatox: the other bit you mentioned is "it can match things that are not just in the basename" [14:09] yes..... for example: [14:10] gatox: I know there's some way to do it, using the greedy / non greedy stuff. Let me think it through [14:10] i can look for "ubuntu"..... and it will match: "/home/U1/ubuntu/myfile" and "/home/u1/folder/ubuntu.txt" [14:10] gatox: right, and we would only be interested in the latter, right? [14:11] alecu, right......... if we choose that....... maybe we can leave it this way..... and accept searchs like /folder/file [14:11] * gatox checks.... [14:11] gatox: while we are at it, make sure to re.compile your expression, and then use that object to do the match [14:12] alecu, yes..... that's what i'm doing [14:12] gatox: I like being able to search by including bits of the folder name [14:12] alecu, like a fuzzy search [14:13] alecu, yes..... it works awesome....... for example i have: [14:13] '/home/gatox/Ubuntu One/u1/fslogger.c' [14:13] and i search for: u1/fs [14:13] and i found that [14:13] * gatox like it [14:13] likes [14:13] gatox: or "u1 fs" should match it too [14:13] alecu, no [14:14] unless we split the search in spaces..... and join them with .* in the middle [14:14] gatox: I was thinking of that all the time! :-) [14:14] gatox: that's bad, no, please [14:14] ralsina: why? [14:14] Ubuntu One ? [14:15] We want to search for Ubuntu.*One? :-) [14:15] ralsina, what?? using the folders too.... or the splitting part? [14:15] splitting and joining with .* [14:15] ahhhh [14:15] ralsina: I think we do want to split, yes [14:15] yes..... i'm not in favor of that neither..... because the name of the files can actually contain spaces [14:15] try not to be too clever :-) [14:16] ralsina: if you have a folder called "my documents" and a file named "rapunzel.txt" within it, you want to search like "doc rapu" [14:17] ralsina: you don't want to search like "ments/rapu" [14:17] rockstar: is https://code.launchpad.net/~rockstar/ubuntuone-ios-music/fix-header-search/+merge/126811 still valid? [14:17] alecu: it's un undiscoverable feature that will make it return random things [14:17] seemingly random, at least [14:19] * ralsina slaps himself for micromanaging devs and steps back. [14:20] sooooo.......... [14:20] oh, we lost one alecu [14:20] rye: i just realized i have it on the wiki: https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuOne/Windows/ReleaseChecklist -- however, i don't remember what makes the B part of 3.0.2b... [14:20] ralsina, you heart alecus feelings jejeje [14:22] briancurtin: a proxy fix [14:23] alecu, is back [14:23] thats about all i remember, but im not sure what the particular branch was since i believe i just took the 3.0.2 setup and applied one change to it [14:23] morning briancurtin [14:23] gatox: sorry, I'm having quasselcore troubles, it seems :P [14:23] hey dobey [14:23] ralsina, alecu so.... we need to decide..... which is going to be the approach for this? [14:24] gatox: I typed a lot before dropping. what was the last you saw? [14:24] alecu: in case you missed it, I slapped myself for micromanaging you, so you and gatox decide :-) [14:24] alecu, this: ralsina: you don't want to search like "ments/rapu" [14:24] gatox: great. [14:24] briancurtin: can you run python -c "print('\n'.join(dir(__builtins__)))" > builtins.txt on win32 buildout and sned me (pastebin, email, whatever) the resulting file? [14:25] and now quassel won't let me see the backlog of the previous quasselcore instance. awesome. [14:25] team, here's a hint of the future: https://twitter.com/njpatel/status/259298988971417600 [14:25] alecu, so....... splitting or not splitting..... that is the dilemma [14:25] and that's called expectation management [14:26] ralsina, jjejeje [14:26] dobey: https://pastebin.canonical.com/76938/ [14:26] ralsina, gatox: what if instead of ".*" we used ".+" ? [14:26] gatox: for later http://io9.com/5953055/the-sounds-of-cylons-as-sung-by-simon--garfunkel [14:26] alecu: .+ is better [14:26] alecu: at least doc rapu would not match docrapu [14:26] yes....... that would be good [14:27] ralsina: "do crap you". Is that an order? [14:27] ralsina, jejejej sounds of cylons jejeje [14:27] briancurtin: thanks [14:28] alecu: please no :-) [14:28] alecu: I was using your example [14:34] anyone has a pending review? [14:35] ralsina: it seems that the sounds of cylons will be planted in my brain, like a cylon vision, for the foreseable future. It's now on repeat here :-) [14:35] and if you don't *WHY*???? ;-) [14:35] alecu: it's pure distilled awesome [14:35] alecu: besides, half the lyrics are kept from the original, it's creepy [14:36] Also, cylon & garfunkel: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/182l12er7udygjpg/cmt-medium.jpg [14:37] huzzah. the WindowsError issue is fixed in trunk pyflakes already even [14:37] yay [14:38] * dobey throws that patch into nightlies too [14:40] * gatox can't wait to see bsg again.... [14:43] * alecu needs to run a small errand. Will probably be back before standup [14:59] me [14:59] (is too early!) [14:59] mvo, one min :) [14:59] couple minutes, yeah [14:59] me [14:59] me [14:59] me [14:59] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] mvo go! [15:01] DONE: lp:~mvo/update-manager/lp1068389, upload to quantal-proposed, : lp:~mvo/software-center/support-size-from-agent, lp:~mvo/ubuntu-release-upgrader/warn-on-dropped-fglrx-support/, play around with heapy and discover #1068614, apt: look at #1062503 and provide reproduce way (*urgh*), looking at c++ books with mandel (thanks!) [15:01] yesterday as well? [15:01] or is today enough? [15:01] mvo since last standup, but since we had a call yesterday, today is good [15:01] yesterday: DONE: lp:~mvo/software-center/data-provider-add-ratings, lp:~mvo/software-center/update-sc-cmdline-flexibility, create 5.4 series, merge outstanding branches, prepare 5.4.x and 5.5.0 uploads, work on google doc "DASH app USC consolidation technical notes", travel preparing, meetings(!) [15:01] next mandel [15:01] DONE: Wrote nux examples mainly explaining layout, buttons, views etc.. [15:01] TODO: Talk about nux properties. Metion dash code layout and how to add new previews. [15:01] BLOCKED: no [15:01] :( [15:02] karni, please [15:02] ^_^ [15:02] yesterday: [15:02] DONE: Added action bar now playing item. Required some hacks, due to particular design requirements. Will discuss that with Patricia. [15:02] http://ubuntuone.com/4rpZfpmuC8BfG22101sRXs (GN portrait) [15:02] http://ubuntuone.com/6W5Os3giSdTJsTVE9rumZl (GN landscape) [15:02] http://ubuntuone.com/1UCSvigQRCkzb5oGrcumbu (G7 portrait) [15:02] Added even more home activity UI tests extercising options menu. [15:02] Build a staging U1M apk for Vincent [15:02] TODO: Continue yesterdays TODO list (wire up the player and music service) [15:02] BLOCKED: No. [15:02] today: [15:02] DONE: [15:02] Reviewed two branches. [15:02] Wired up Now Playing home screen indicator. [15:02] Implemented and hooked up populating play queue. [15:02] Minor styling to player UI. [15:02] TODO: [15:02] Review urbanape's branch. [15:02] Hook up player UI album art, titles, progress (similar to now playing indicator). [15:02] BLOCKED: [15:02] No. [15:02] next: thisfred_ [15:02] DONE: cdocs fixes | backend metrics TODO: whatever comes my way BLOCKED: no NEXT: rockstar [15:03] DONE: Set up vm and machine for nux work [15:03] TODO: Continue on iOS Music app 2.0 integration [15:03] BLOCKED: None [15:03] NEXT: briancurtin [15:03] DONE: team call, installer, dusting off C++ books, reviews, testing [15:03] TODO: find a way to add cert checking with the bundled certs rather than relying on system to do it (alecu, any tips?) [15:03] NEXT: gatox [15:03] DONE: [15:03] Implements the search that was already in u1-cp for u1 files inside u1-client, faster and with some improves. Started working in the ipc functions to obtain this info from control panel. [15:03] TODO: [15:03] Finish with the ipc implementation and propose the branch. [15:03] Refactor u1-cp search functions to use the one in u1-client. [15:03] BLOCKED: [15:03] No [15:03] ralsina, go [15:03] DONE: lots of calls. TODO: new "mgmt rumble" call, reading lots of docs, perhaps reviews? BLOCKED no NEXT: gatox [15:03] ralsina, no, i'm not next [15:03] :D [15:03] alecu_: go [15:03] so alecu_ then [15:03] DONE: many mumbles, wrapping up and preparing for vacations [15:03] TODO: two weeks of vacations starting in 4 hours [15:03] BLOCKED: no way! [15:03] NEXT: dobey [15:03] DONE: team call, bug #1068335 (dev-tools), booked sprint tickets [15:03] TODO: reviews, finish bug #1068335, bug #711324, upstream pyflakes fixes [15:03] BLCK: None. [15:03] gatox: you were in my timeline ;-) [15:03] Launchpad bug 1068335 in Ubuntu One Control Panel trunk "pylint is too complex and causes many problems" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068335 [15:03] mmcc: go [15:04] Error: Launchpad bug 711324 could not be found [15:04] DONE: music, sync menu stuff on mac/win & downloads, futile bug search [15:04] TODO: finish up sync menu stuff [15:04] ralsina, but brian says gatox go :P [15:04] BLOK: no [15:04] * ralsina goes find the developer-proding-stick [15:04] ok, mmcc was last (we all agree there ;-) [15:04] So, comments? [15:04] stop micromanaging! :) [15:05] Rock on! [15:05] briancurtin: "a way to add cert checking with the bundled certs rather than relying on system to do it". Can you tell me a bit more about that? [15:05] EOM for standup. Quick if a bit sloppy. [15:05] briancurtin: this is not os.system("iexplore https://one.ubuntu.com"), right? [15:06] ralsina: a proxy fix? tell me more - is there a revision i can cherry-pick the change? [15:06] alecu_: of course not! We have to use subprocess! ;-) [15:06] rye: it's a vague memory for me :-( [15:07] ralsina: would that be acceptable? i was under the impression there was going to need to be something added to WebClient to read from cert files or something like that [15:07] briancurtin: it's not acceptable at all [15:07] briancurtin: sorry, bad joke there [15:08] i dont know much about certs/ssl, missed the joke. i take it the last part is correct, then? [15:08] briancurtin: I'm totally off topic and may have no idea what I'm talking about, but I did deal with that cert in webkit/soup - could you give me a code example? [15:08] mvo: this is more a windows issue [15:08] or the code that needs the cert file set? [15:08] mvo: on windows, the root certs are downloaded on demand [15:09] dobey: *weeeh* I will probably not of much help then indeed [15:09] alecu_: Before I forget - enjoy your holiday! [15:09] ralsina: eh, woah [15:09] mvo: and we use an impopular one which lots of people never run into before using our code [15:09] karni: thanks [15:09] briancurtin: afaik, having qt use our certs *and* the system ones when needed, is a bit complex, but should be doable [15:10] thanks ralsina, that gives me some background that I was missing earlier :) [15:13] briancurtin: so, after looking at the qt docs, this seems to be what we would need to use: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qsslsocket.html#addCaCertificates [15:14] briancurtin: but since we don't use the qsslsocket directly, we should find how to add it to the higher level qt objects used by the webclient and the proxy tunnel [15:15] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11941630/is-this-the-right-way-to-set-the-ssl-protocol-with-qwebpage <- might be this one [15:16] i.e. QSslConfiguration::setCaCertificates() === mmcc is now known as mmcc_ [15:19] i think QSslConfiguration setLocalCertificate [15:21] briancurtin: are we already bundling that third certificate? I recall u1-storage-protocol used two already [15:22] alecu_: we bundle three - two godaddy and one valicert [15:22] briancurtin: great then. [15:26] briancurtin: I think you should try running sd and u1cp with an empty certificate database (by passing an empty list to QSslConfiguration::setCaCertificates), and checking that it fails. Then adding the three certificates only, it should work. [15:26] alecu_: and would i be correct in thinking that this goes in WebClient in SSO? === alecu_ is now known as alecu [15:28] sorry for extra hand holding...haven't worked with SSL much [15:30] briancurtin: yes, yes. It goes in webclient in sso === thisfred_ is now known as thisfred [15:30] alecu: thanks, will look into it now [15:35] ok, need to get lunch. bbiab [15:36] briancurtin: in fact, I think sso should be the only place needing that, since I'm looking at sd and storageprotocol, and it's already being used there. [15:36] in ubuntuone/storageprotocol/context.py [15:37] yeah i figured it's the lowest level spot to put it [15:37] briancurtin: and the webclient is sso is what's used by control panel, so yes. [15:38] ok, lunchtime for me === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [15:41] * gatox lunch === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:29] so, a new project for the pyobjc sync menu - anyone have a problem with 'lp:ubuntuone-cocoa-menu' ? [16:30] no problem here [16:31] oh [16:32] ralsina: btw, should we rename the lp team and set up a mailing list for it? [16:33] dobey: yes [16:33] dobey: could you? [16:33] ralsina: i think i need to be an admin for the mailing list bits. care to make me one? [16:34] dobey: admin of what exactly? [16:34] dobey: the team? [16:34] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-desktop+ [16:34] yes [16:34] dobey: on it [16:36] dobey: done. Also add karni mvo and rockstar [16:36] Thanks [16:36] that team has been needing maintenance for a while! [16:36] :) [16:38] yeah, our teams need some cleaning up === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:47] dobey: made alecu and mvo admins just in case both of us are away at the same time [16:48] sure [16:48] hrmm, not sure how to make the list private [16:49] * dobey pings some ops for that [16:55] bugger :( === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [17:04] I think I nailed that painful SQL problem (column mapping) which caused crashes. It seems, however, that test runner isn't ensuring tests are run isolated, because I sometimes get tests that cause the next one to hang, although tearDown() is done properly. [17:06] noice [17:07]