[00:06] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/jockey2.php === xrs1 is now known as nv [00:24] I updated xubuntu lts to 12.04 and now it won't boot. First he "checks" network for a minute, then halts launchning GUI. (I can log into console). === nv is now known as XRS1 [02:01] I just finished my update from 12.04 to 12.10, but my graybird theme has blue titlebars. If screenshots are anything to go by, shouldn't they be gray? === Random833 is now known as Random832 [02:35] Anyone having problems modifying the app menu in 12.10? [02:36] It refuses to delete separators for me. :( [02:59] sdollins: Just tried, same. [03:00] /home/$USER/.config/menus/ edit applications.menu in there, sdollins. [03:00] I have tried that. [03:00] it seems to just overwrite my changes [03:18] Thanks, now this'll bug me.. [03:18] :P [03:20] Ah, there we go. === dave is now known as Guest64790 [03:21] sdollins: cp /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/ and edit that. (or was it editing the other that did it?) [03:21] new xubuntu user here. setting up desktop :) [03:22] Guest64790: Howdy! And what do you think so far? [03:22] I like it! got 12.10 and looks sweet. [03:23] installing apps and tomorrow I will learn how to do stuff hehe [03:23] I left gnome3 unity cinnamon for a while to try this [03:23] can someone help me out? I'm trying to get thunderbird to load on boot and start on the second workspace [03:25] this is how I have it working right now, it's pretty clunky http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288395/ [03:28] 12.10 boots in under 6 seconds! (for me) [03:29] SSD? [03:31] thats great speed, prolly ssd [03:32] has anyone installed mdm on 12.10? I like mdm better than lightdm. [03:43] crucial 256 SSD [04:36] the new release is announced, but I don't see any 'new release available' option (nor does do-release-upgrade work). Has anyone else had success and if so, how? 12.04 has an annoying bug I want to be rid of :) [04:38] 12.10 is an LTS, it is looking to upgrade you to another LTS. Either change what type of upgrades you get, or do-release-upgrade -d. [05:00] 12.10 must not be a LTS rel. [05:03] i thought 12.04 was the LTS? [05:04] Correct, to a point. [05:19] anyone seeing video tearing? [05:50] Quick question, where is the mount point for removable media in 12.10? [05:52] Apparently Xubuntu 12.10 doesn't actually mount CDs by default, I see === Transfusion is now known as Transfuta [07:42] How do I set my default keyboard layout outside of xfce? By default I'm getting the layout where I have to put a space after a " to actually get it, or else it becomes e.g. ëöü ... [07:43] In xfce I could change the layout, but I want it system wide, not just in xfce. [09:00] anyone do a fresh install of xubuntu? [09:00] 120.10 [09:00] 12.10* [09:00] What's the question? [09:02] Two. 1. Is there no xubuntu grub theme this time around? Grub menu just says ubuntu and not xubuntu. 2. I see no bootsplash after install. My monitor literally goes into standby for a few seconds and then the login screen shows up. I dont think thats how its supposed to be [09:02] Unit193: ? [09:04] Didn't actually say Xubuntu either, you can get more info by editing the grub config. No splash, could be booting too quick, but make sure you have a plymouth theme installed, could try to dpkg-reconfigure plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo [09:05] Unit193: I dont think its booting too quick. THis is the first time my monitor actually goes into stand by mode and then fires up again to the login screen [09:05] Unit193: I am assuming its the black CLI grub screen for you too? [09:06] Black screen sure, I already reconfigured mine though. :P [09:06] gotcha [09:09] xubuntu431: ping [09:10] Hi, I am having an issue. I have downloaded Xubuntu 12.04 ISO, and used the Ubuntu Bootable USB program via windows to make a bootable thumbdrive. It gets to the 'install xubuntu/try xubuntu' screen, then stop doing anything. Is there a better program to use to make my thumbdrive a bootable device so I can install on other machines? [09:50] Hi :) I popped in last night, but I guess it was a bit late. Laptop with an ATI graphics card was working just fine in 12.04. Upgraded to 12.10 and it's no longer using the proprietary driver. I've checked for and installed missing packages such as restricted extras, but 'jockey' doesn't see any drivers for me to use. Any hints would be welcome :) [09:53] bigcalm: Is there something wrong with the open radeon driver that you need to use the proprietary ati driver? [09:55] soreau: well which ever driver it is using doesn't offer the correct screen modes. Currently I have an option of 800x600 and 1024x768. I don't recall the specific res of my laptop, but it is a touch bigger and a different ratio :) [09:56] bigcalm: Can you pastebin.com your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [09:56] Sure. I'm on my workstation at the moment so will do so in a couple of mins [09:59] soreau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288910/ [10:02] I have to say that things are a lot harder to find since the menus were changed :S [10:02] bigcalm: It looks like you still have an fglrx_drm kernel module installed that's conflicting and missing xserver-xorg-video-ati package, so it's falling back to the vesa driver [10:03] The laptop is one place that I haven't fiddled with xorg or any kernel modules. So it's interesting that it's like that [10:04] if you used the installer from the amd site, look for an uninstall script in /usr/share/ati/ to run. Either way, make sure /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/extra-modules.dpkg-tmp/modules/linux/libfglrxdrm.so and /etc/X11/xorg.conf do not exist [10:05] I would have installed the driver by using the Additional Drivers (jockey) interface [10:05] and of course remove any fglrx packages that might be installed [10:05] Ok, thanks. I'll have a look [10:11] hi [10:12] can i install xubuntu with wubi ? [10:14] helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [10:14] yes afaik, but not reccomended [10:14] why not ? [10:16] Wubi just isn't the best, maybe ok to try it on, but livecd/usb is better for that too. [10:18] hmm [10:29] soreau: uninstalling the ati binary driver and rebooting fixed things. From my googling, the binary doesn't support 12.10 yet, or something like that [10:30] Now I need to find out why the CPU fan is running constantly [10:30] Just installed Xubuntu 12.10 and realised synaptic was missing! what the... [10:30] Anybody know why they chose to remove synaptic? [10:36] I believe it's been on the cards for a long time [10:36] Oh, they left [10:37] impatient [11:06] bigcalm: cool [12:08] hello [12:09] some1 know, why ubuntu one on Xubuntu 11.10 doesn't want to download content from cloud to local disk? it types that all is sync but I don't see it locally [12:15] what cloud? [12:25] the pirate cloud [12:29] apparently a real cloud [13:11] hello all....I was here yesterday asking about xscreensaver crashing....anybody remember that? [13:11] no, sorry [13:11] huggy bear was here [13:12] anyway, screensaver in xubuntu 12.04 keeps crashing [13:12] and when it does, it unlocks my screen [13:13] jberk: whats the error msg? [13:13] there is none.... [13:13] I just come back to work and my PC is unlocked [13:13] there is always one :) [13:13] try by opening the terminal and launch in there [13:13] so yesterday I tweaked ~/.xscreensaver and .Xdefaults [13:14] then you will get some debugging info [13:14] I put this in .Xdefaults [13:14] xscreensaver.verbose: True [13:14] xscreensaver.log: ~/.xscreensaver.log [13:15] and those log files have data now.... [13:16] I need to know where to send that data....can't find anything here: http://xubuntu.org/help/ [13:16] jberk: throw it in a pastebin and let us take a look at it [13:16] pastebin? [13:16] !paste [13:16] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [13:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289274/ [13:22] jberk: report it on launchpad [13:25] !launchpad [13:25] Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [13:31] where on launchpad....the bug section? [13:33] anybody? [13:40] jberk: yes [13:49] hi [13:49] I have issues with using the menu editor [13:50] I can't add any entries [13:51] also application icons aren't scaled down anymore [14:00] Cyberworm: try LXMenuEditor [14:01] I tried it but it's kinda confusing [14:03] I wonder how that issue could have been missed [14:37] so, nm-applet hasn't been working properly since I upgraded to 12.10. [14:38] while it does connect to wireless (as I am now), it now doesn't show reception. [14:38] and when I open the pull-down menu, it doesn't show the network above "Disconnect" [14:39] the network shows up there while it's connecting, but as soon as it connects, it disappears and is only in the list of networks below [14:40] babaei: i might try troubleshooting with another network card if possible to make sure its not just a driver support issue [14:41] holstein: I don't think it's a driver issue because it makes a network connection no problem and it otherwise works [14:41] it's just not displaying properly in nm-applet [14:43] here's what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/Qc7Jh.png [14:43] i've tried restarting xubuntu and restarting nm-applet, and it doesn't seem to help. [14:44] (I've had some issues with nm-applet being flaky in the past, but nothing quite like this) [14:44] what is the plymouth package in xubuntu called? [14:45] SpaceAviator: plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text [14:45] thanks baizon [14:46] Hi [14:46] I have a problem [14:46] I wonder if you can help me. I booted off liveusb and the splash scren was working great but after install it just shows a black screen and then my monitor goes into standby for two seconds and then shows the login screen. [14:46] babaei: interesting... i dont have it in front of me to check.. have you found a bug report already? [14:47] after I installed the propriety drivers the monitor stopped going into standby during boot and flashes the splash for less than a sec after a black scren during boot. baizon [14:47] holstein: do you know what package I'd file it for? [14:47] I own a very old toshiba laptop and I wanted to install Xubuntu 12.10 on it... when I try to install, I get a error message saying "unable to boot please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu" [14:47] babaei: i think you are on the right track with the applet but im not sure... [14:47] SpaceAviator: i got the same :) [14:47] is there a workaround to this.. ? please help me thank you [14:48] non-pae-cpu: maybe you have the 64bit iso [14:48] the thing is, the drivers have to load first to show the logo [14:48] baizon, monitor goes into standby? [14:48] i386 desktop [14:48] ah [14:48] I see [14:48] and by then your system booted already [14:48] thats why you wont see the logo [14:48] I just cant figure out why the hell did my monitor go into standby without the drivers. that jsut means there was no singal to the monitor for that few seconds [14:48] or see for a short period [14:48] xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso [14:48] SpaceAviator: thats because the driver is loading [14:48] this is the name of the file.. [14:49] holstein: this is the name of the file ->> xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386 [14:49] non-pae-cpu: what machine? maybe its not a "normal" cpu? what is is? [14:49] how to check the cpu type [14:49] holstein: nm-applet isn't a seperate package, though. [14:49] what should I grep from /proc/cpuinfo [14:49] baizon, so no singal to the monitor at all? But the black screen before it makes it seem like there it is. To load the driver - it wont shut off the card... [14:49] I'm trying to re-install that package, but I don't know what it's part of. [14:50] i just reconfigured it [14:50] brb [14:50] reboot [14:50] Pentium M [14:50] SpaceAviator: because the standard vesa is loaded, then plymouth inits your drivers [14:50] and the moment is when your screen wents black [14:50] I am still running 12.04 on the same machine.. [14:51] and it is running flawlessly [14:52] baizon, did you something right before I left? [14:52] also no standby now. it flashes for a second. I guess it makes sense. [14:52] SpaceAviator: if you add nomodeset to your boot option it wont load plymouth [14:52] I just have one other problem. I see two copies of my paritions on desktop. [14:52] then your driver wont load [14:52] non-pae-cpu: Is this the error you are getting? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1975422 [14:52] SpaceAviator: its a known bug [14:52] got it [14:53] phew [14:53] i can now settle [14:53] SpaceAviator: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4/+bug/1044896 [14:53] Launchpad bug 1044896 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "desktop shows removable storage devices twice" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:54] baizon, would you own an ATi card by any chance? [14:54] yes i own one [14:54] Kagee No, this is the error "unable to boot please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu" [14:55] when i googled it .. it said you need a pae-enabled cpu.. 12.04 is currently running on the same CPU [14:56] non-pae-cpu: grep pae /proc/cpuinfo [14:57] nothing [14:57] :( [14:58] non-pae-cpu: Then your CPU does not support PAE. The i386 iso for Xubuntu 12.04 supported PAE, according to this http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ it is not true for 12.10 [14:59] 12.04 does and does-not support PAE but 12.10 only supports PAE? [14:59] am I getting this right? [14:59] can I compile a kernel without the damn PAE? [15:00] and use that to install it on my machine!!? [15:00] http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html may be relevant [15:00] i would probably just use 12.04 [15:01] hlestein i was thinking the same but I wanted to try it out.. [15:01] holstein: hmm. I uninstalled/reinstalled network-manager/network-manager-applet and it seems to be fixed. [15:02] babaei: interesting.. did you fresh install or upgrade? [15:02] anyway thank you guys. [15:02] holstein: upgrade, naturally. [15:02] one last thing.. you cannot upgrade from a desktop-live cd right [15:02] one need to own a alternative cd for that!! [15:02] ? [15:02] non-pae-cpu: there are no non-pae kernels in the repos now [15:03] Is there an easy way to get rid of all this blue junk that was added in 12.10? [15:03] can I compile a kernel on my own? [15:03] like a generic kernel.. [15:03] non-pae-cpu: yes you can [15:03] http://askubuntu.com/questions/182048/will-it-be-possible-to-use-a-non-pae-kernel-in-12-10 suggests that [15:04] ok let me see how can this be done.. [15:04] thank you all.. [15:04] bye.. [15:07] are the xubuntu canonical work? [15:08] ZDroid: Xubuntu is an official derivative of Ubuntu. [15:08] ok [15:10] thanks [15:10] :) [15:14] !flavor [15:14] !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu, Ubuntu !Studio, !Mythbuntu, and !Lubuntu [15:15] xubuntu is set of applications on canonical-supported ubuntu base [15:18] AFAIK, Xubuntu is an official derivative, but not commercially supported by Canonical. that may have changed. *shrug* [15:19] ok [15:19] thanks all [15:20] bye [15:22] This blue stuff is really driving me crazy :S [15:38] Does anyone know where I can get the Greybird theme from version 12.04? [15:40] https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa/+files/greybird-themes_0.3%2Bgit20120122.orig.tar.gz [15:40] that should be the old greybird [15:40] Thank you [15:41] I just installed 10.04 and greybird+murrine from that ppa and then got the new one from git :p [15:42] The new one is ghastly [15:42] if that one doesn't have gtk3, look for 12.04 packages in packages.ubuntu.com [15:42] I don't like the old shade of grey, especially in menu [15:43] Each to their own :) [15:43] put a copy of old one somewhere safe [15:44] Heyo! 12.10 is out, but do-release-upgrade doesn't seem to think so! Que pasa? [15:44] you need -d switch bevause 12.10 is LTS === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [15:45] Sysi: Ahh, thanks! [15:46] you're welcome [16:06] Where can I get the terminal color palette from 12.04? [16:26] god my menu looks so weird with that one icon being stretched across the whole menu === Fernando is now known as Guest13766 === Guest13766 is now known as fyamanaka [17:27] Hello guys, I have a doubt regarding the video card Intel GMA965 on my Dell Inspirion running Xubuntu 12.10, after connection via HDMI to a 32' LCD tv, the processor goes to 90% of usage without playing any video, by just connecting them together.. does any one knows if its normal behavior or should I try to verifiy the installed drivers ?? [17:28] did this happened before? [17:31] GridCube> no...it happens on the first run of xubuntu because i was using windows on this machine .. [17:32] On Windows the processor just went high when running videos, particulary HD ones ... [17:42] fssf [17:42] hello? [17:42] !hi [17:42] Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [17:43] fyamanaka, sorry i dont know :( [17:43] can someone help me out.. having some internet problems [17:43] !ask [17:43] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [17:45] !patience [17:45] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [17:46] :) [17:46] ok, i have internet connection but firefox still "can't find the server" what can i do? [17:46] xubuntu523, check that you are not using any proxy [17:46] GridCube> Can you recommend me something ? Maybe try to update the intel driver ? I'm kind of afraid to do this .... [17:46] how do i check that? [17:47] I'd check that DNS is working by opening a terminal and typing dig google.com [17:47] fyamanaka, intel uses the generic drivers [17:47] i dont know of specific drivers for it [17:48] xubuntu523, http://imagebin.org/232508 [17:48] xubuntu523, also do what Unit193 is saying you to [17:48] i typed dig google.com what should i be looking for to know that's working [17:49] http://pastebin.com/huspnbaq [17:50] GridCube> this are the intel generic drivers http://intellinuxgraphics.org/index.html ?!?! [17:50] the status says refused and i didn't get an answer section [17:51] fyamanaka, very probably, i never had to use them because the ones i need are already on the generic kernel [17:51] fyamanaka, pass the output of lspci | grep "VGA" [17:52] xubuntu523: Now try dig @8.8.8.8 google.com === bluefalcon is now known as BlueFalcon [17:53] Sorry man but Im now at the work and dont have access to my machine ...i will check this output and logging back here to find some answers ... thanks a lot !!! [17:54] :) [17:57] im using a wireless adapter and i lose connection whenever i type dig @8 [17:59] .8.8.8 google.com [18:07] Whenever i connect to my linksys it disconnects after a couple of seconds anything i can do to fix it? [18:07] anyone else notice multiple screenlets not auto-starting on login? [18:11] hello everybody. i'm using xubuntu lucid, i accidently blacklisted my broadcom b43 wireless driver, how do i undo it? [18:12] Rodensky: remove it from /etc/modprobe.conf [18:13] how do i do that? [18:14] Rodensky: http://www.ehow.com/how_7517426_edit-ubuntus-blacklist.html [18:17] done, rebooting [18:21] Does anyone know how to uninstall xubunutu and go back to the windows operating system? [18:21] xubuntu723: format your drive and install windows [18:22] if you got both you have to repair the MBR with windows [18:22] after that remove linux [18:22] and then delete the Ubuntu partition [18:25] in order to install back my b43 wireless driver i followed the stop "sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer" and i got "E: Couldn't find package firmware-b43-installer" [18:26] what do i do? how do i install it back? [18:28] oh, no, wait, i need to install the STA one but i don't know how. till now i had the b43 driver but i had a lot of problems conneting to some routers [18:31] I hate broadcom wireless. [18:34] Everyone does. [19:02] I have a 20GB / partition, currently running ubuntu 11.4 with some package (xubuntu-desktop maybe?) installed on top of it to switch over to xubuntu. If I upgrade to 12.4 or 12.10, will 20GB still suffice for /, or should I resize before upgrading? [19:02] Second question: when doing a dd to backup my / as a disk image, should I unmount / first? [19:03] !flash [19:03] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [19:05] doensn't ctrl.+alt+t launch a terminal? [19:07] puff: it might be better so, but then you'd need to run backup from livecd [19:07] puff: 20GB is plenty for root, you can install many big apps [19:09] Ey guys, I can't hear any sound from my ubuntu, how to diagnose it? [19:09] alsamixer shows that the card is available and is it on [19:12] I'm wondering why ctrl+alt+t isn't launching terminal. Any ideas? [19:13] do you have it set as hotkey in settings -> keyboard [19:14] for me its super + t [19:14] I thought it was a standard keybind [19:14] I have to set it? [19:14] if it's not there by default, yes [19:14] I seem to remember it worked in the usb-live but not on the actual install? weird [19:15] the default is super +t for terminal [19:15] baizon, thx [19:15] super +f for thunar and super +w for web browser [19:16] ok, 1. java - check, 2. flash - check... ah, yes, wine next [19:17] hello can anybody help me? [19:17] !ask | josy1982 [19:17] josy1982: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [19:17] !ask | josy1982 [19:17] damn, sorry to late [19:18] i installed today 12.10 but i don't have sound what can i do? [19:21] josy1982: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems [19:21] josy1982: http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/ [19:33] ok, wine - check... what's next on the post-install hitlist? recommendations? [19:33] synapse [19:34] does xubuntu come with pulseaudio? [19:34] 12.10 yes [19:34] ok, cool [19:35] ah, yes, powertop :) [19:38] Argh: dd: writing to `/media/disk500/backups/redbitter/oct_16_2012/root_partition.dd': Input/output error [19:39] Hm... then again, that was with the / partition mounted, let's try it again under a bootable thumb drive. [19:40] anyone else experiencing major screen tearing? [19:47] Hi guys! I got a problem to setup my dual monitor. I can't make my right screen be the primary. I'm using the nvidia driver and I tried with nvidia-settings but I can't make it happen. I also tried with xrandr. It's driving me nuts! [19:48] you want your panel on different screen? unlock and drag [19:49] here's my xrandr ouputs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1290211/ [19:50] something has crashed here on a fresh install [19:50] /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager [19:50] crashed with SIGSEVG in vprint [19:51] !bug [19:51] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [19:51] crashing bugs should be easy to fix [19:51] what about fixing it? [19:51] is this going to happen all the time? [19:52] Sysi, when I set my right screen as a primary. My left screen become the right screen in my xubuntu. When I move the screen to the left. It move also the primary on my left screen [19:53] doan: I have previously had problems with nvidia inverting the primary selection. Try to set your left monitor as primary, then the right becomes primary in my setup. [19:53] in nvidia-settings [19:53] should I be concerned? [19:54] nicklasbo, nothing changes. Same with xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --primary [19:54] Either one or the other. Nothing changes [19:55] doan: too bad. I use the tool disper to set monitors, it's pretty neat. You could give it a try? [19:56] nicklasbo, i don't know this tool. I'll give a try, thanks [19:57] nicklasbo, can I use it with the nvidia driver ? [19:57] yes, it basically just a tool for easily setting which monitor(s) to output on. [19:58] okay sounds good [19:58] do a sudo apt-get install disper and then depended on what your outputs are called something disper -d DFP-1,CRT-0 -e . The first listed display will be primary. [19:59] Question: if / is mounted under /dev/sda8 normally, will it be /dev/sda8 when I boot under a live CD? [19:59] That is, when I boot under a live CD and leave the / from my hard drive unmounted, so I can dd it, will it still be /dev/sda8? [20:09] using Xubuntu 12.10. Can't add items to main menu using alacarte in a specific category. Always is created in the Other menu [20:09] also, once I hit show, it always stays shown until I hit restore system configuration. [20:10] Hi [20:10] qoheleth: alacarte is broken :) [20:10] try LXMenuEditor [20:10] Is there an Expose-alike for xfce? [20:10] Or do I need to install compiz? [20:10] thanks [20:10] Wintre: there are alternatives [20:11] knome told one, i forgot its name :( [20:11] lol when are they fixing alacarte. Seems like it has been broken forever. [20:11] Can I read about 'em somewhere? [20:11] Wintre: wait for him to answer :) [20:11] How do I go about adding a network printer (PostScript, running lpd) to a Xubuntu box? [20:11] qoheleth: yes its broken with xfce 4.10 [20:11] lopta: check if it is supported [20:13] baizon: Isn't there a generic method? [20:14] lopta: That... should be the simplest possible thing [20:14] Since it's like the oldest Unix way of printing [20:14] Wintre: ...that's what I was hoping [20:15] lopta: There seems to be "LPD/LPR Host or printer" in the add printer dialog [20:15] Okay, I'll see if I can find that. Doesn't seem to be in the settings manager. [20:15] ? [20:15] Is there a "printers" item in the settings manager? [20:16] Ah, System -> Printing [20:16] Oh, I have a hardware -> printers [20:16] Woah! [20:16] So, yeah, I've gotten to like Expose on the Mac [20:16] Is there an equivalent for Xfce? [20:17] you can get it with compiz [20:17] Does the default wm not support it? [20:17] nope [20:18] k [20:18] Is there a Right Way to change the window managers? [20:19] install compix, it's settings manager and compiz-gnome, set it to draw window borders with gtk-window-decorator, run compiz --replace, save session on logout [20:20] k, I'll give that a shot [20:20] Does that include the settings manager? [20:20] seems not [20:20] it's called something like compizconfig-settings-manager [20:21] yeah [20:21] God, I hope I don't wind up with the same crap I had with gnome on ubuntu 12 [20:25] Hey, is it possible for me to go from Ubuntu 12.04 to Xubuntu 12.10 without losing anything? I'm using Xubuntu now (I used the apt-get xubuntu-desktop to get it, so not a full install) [20:25] Wow, I didn't expect that: Xubuntu found the printers on our network without having to be told about them. [20:25] I'm trying a test print now. [20:26] Noxity: it's same as full install [20:26] Noxity: as far as I know, you need to simply install the xubuntu-desktop package, log out, and select an xubuntu session [20:26]