[04:00] <allen_> .
[04:01] <allen_> Hi, does anyone know how to switch Dolphin to superuser mode to write to root folders?
[04:02] <dougl> allen_, 'kdesudo dolphin'?
[04:04] <allen_> thanks, that works :)
[04:05] <allen_> is kdesudo the same thing as regular sudo?
[04:36] <bjrohan> I am having issues getting an external USB drive to automount, it seems to be set up properly in fstab
[04:36] <bjrohan> Here is the line is fstab:
[04:37] <bjrohan>  UUID=ade13e80-16af-4941-8076-233821f05fcf       /media/BACKUP   ext4    defaults,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr   0       1
[04:42] <bjrohan> no love for my issue?
[04:54] <sithlord48> bjrohan:  maybe try adding auto options.
[04:54] <bjrohan> I did, no difference
[04:55] <sithlord48> bjrohan:  you can also set it thru the removeable devices widget
[04:55] <bjrohan> This is on another machine I am working on via ssh (although I could walk into the next room to do it)
[04:55] <sithlord48> ah so then you can't use the widget..
[04:56] <sithlord48> stupid question but you have made the /media/Backup folder ?
[06:09] <bjrohan> What does one use on Kubuntu to handle partitions akin to gparted?
[06:09] <Corodius> KDE Partition Manager, under System :)
[06:10] <bjrohan> thank you
[06:10] <bjrohan> I don't see it on my 12.10 :-(
[06:11] <bjrohan> found it in the launcher search tool
[06:11] <bjrohan> odd
[06:11] <Corodius> very :S meh thats why I switched to classic menu lol
[06:11] <Corodius> I did not like the new type one ^_^ haha
[06:13] <bjrohan> How do you go back to classic menu?
[06:13] <Corodius> oki, which layout are you using, desktop or netbook?
[06:14] <bjrohan> desktop I beleive
[06:14] <Corodius> cool, just right click on the blue KDE start menu thingy, if there is no option, first click Unlock Widgets
[06:15] <bjrohan> Got it :-)
[06:15] <bjrohan> Mo Betta
[06:15] <bjrohan> Thank you 2x
[06:15] <Corodius> sweet :) it is hey lol
[06:15] <Corodius> and no worries :)
[07:32] <GGon> how do i re-run a configuration using apt?
[07:33] <GGon> i thought it was something like --reconfigure but i can't quite seem to find it in the man page
[07:35] <Corodius> http://www.cyberciti.biz/ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html good little reference guide, I believe its dpkg-reconfigure you are looking for :)
[07:37] <GGon> i tried
[07:37] <GGon> the configuation ncurses based stuff doesn't re-run
[07:37] <GGon> i'm trying to configure an ldap client
[07:37] <GGon> it's turning my hair gray
[07:38] <Corodius> if all else fails, a purge (apt-get purge <pkgname>) and reinstall should do the trick
[07:38] <GGon> oh. i found it
[07:44] <Corodius> cool cool
[07:46]  * GGon bangs his head on a desk
[07:46] <GGon> why is this ldap client configuration so difficult? :)
[07:47] <GGon> i'm a bit at a loss as to how to set it up
[07:47] <GGon> ldapsearch doesn't seem to want to find my ldap server
[08:59] <karifurawa> hello! by chance, do you know how can i desable the wired network with a shell command?
[08:59] <karifurawa> [10:59] [Error] hello!: Unknown command.
[09:21] <yofel_> karifurawa: 'sudo ifconfig eth0 down' would be it usually, but that'll only work till reboot. For presistence google what you need to set in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:39] <pfoo> karifurawa: there's also nmcli if you are using networkmanager
[09:59] <karifurawa> yofel_ , pfoo : Many thanks i try now !
[10:32] <faLUCE> Hi, I messed some /home/myuser file . Then, when I try to login with myuser, the os returns the login prompt. If I enter with anotheruser, I don't have this problem. How can I solve?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:37] <Peace-> faLUCE: try to rename ~/.kde
[10:37] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey
[10:37] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[10:37] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi, Peace-!
[10:37] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: hi
[10:38] <faLUCE> Peace-: and then?
[10:38] <Peace-> faLUCE: then try to login
[10:39] <faLUCE> Peace-: unfortunately I use lubuntu, not kubuntu
[10:40] <yofel> faLUCE: did you rename the home folder of a user?
[10:40] <faLUCE> yofel: no
[10:40] <yofel> directories in /home/ need to have the same name as the user and be owned by it
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, what freezes , exactly ?
[10:41] <faLUCE> yofel: solved
[10:41] <faLUCE> chmod 777 -R /home/myuser
[10:42] <Peace-> :S
[10:42] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, the display freezes. I am not sure if it gets my keybord input, I am going to test that. But I can see in the logs that it is running.
[10:43] <yofel> faLUCE: uh, that should rather be something like 755
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, which kubuntu version?
[10:43] <yofel> or 775
[10:43] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, 12.10, but it is since 11.10 or 11.04.
[10:45] <yofel> hm, if it's still running, you could check the kernel or X log if something happened there
[10:45] <yofel> or does it freeze without any message there?
[10:46] <faLUCE> yofel: ok, I'll do that
[10:47] <Graf_Westerholt> yofel, are you talking to me?
[10:47] <yofel> Graf_Westerholt: about the freeze yes
[10:47] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, which graphics card and driver ?
[10:49] <excognac> hi
[10:49] <Graf_Westerholt> yofel, I checked the logs but see nothing, but I am not very experienced with the logs.
[10:50] <excognac> how do i enable apparmor for Chrome?
[10:50] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, GeForce 9300 GE
[10:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Driver is nouveau
[10:51] <Graf_Westerholt> yofel BluesKaj: It freeze randomly.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, hmm, nouveau is actually very solid driver on 12.10 with most nvidias
[10:52] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj yofel I cannot switch to console with CTRL+ALT+F1 when it freezes.
[10:52] <yofel> depends on the hardware, but back when I had nouveau crashes and the display froze I usually had some Eq overflowing message in the logs
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, but you could try the nvidis-current , it might be somewhat better , it's hard to tell.
[10:53] <yofel> Graf_Westerholt: do you have a 2nd pc where you could try to ssh in to the frozen one?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current that is
[10:54] <Graf_Westerholt> yofel, I have an old notebook, it is very slow. Why should I do it? I see in the logs that it is working inside, but the display is frozen.
[10:57] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj yofel But when nouveau freeze, shouldn't I be able to switch to the console?
[10:57] <yofel> as it uses kms, it might block those too by locking the kernel, but I'm not sure
[10:58] <yofel> need to go now, sry
[10:58] <Graf_Westerholt> ok  yofel thx
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, we don't know for sure that it's nouveau , it could be an input device problem
[10:59] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, the display freeze, the clock on the desktop stops running.
[11:00] <BluesKaj> that means the Xserver is frozen
[11:01] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[11:01] <Graf_Westerholt> How can I check the Xserver?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> in /var/log Graf_Westerholt Xorg.0.log or .1.log etc
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Xorg.1.log etc
[11:04] <Graf_Westerholt> I have both 0.log and 1.log
[11:04] <BluesKaj> 0 is your most recent
[11:08] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I searched for "EE", but there in only one line: [ 26674.247] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, unfortunately that doesn't tell me much
[11:12] <BluesKaj> except that the driver module is unloadingfor some reson
[11:13] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, it loads "nouveau" because "nvidia" does not exist.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, I suggest you install the nvidia--current driver , then reboot
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nouveau is the default nvidia driver
[11:14] <Graf_Westerholt> ok. Should I save the Xorg.x.log when it freezes again?
[11:16] <BluesKaj> it will be in the logs , but you can copy and save them if you wish
[11:17] <Graf_Westerholt> The logs are not very big, so I suppose old entries are deleted after some time.
[11:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm not sure what the timeline is
[11:18] <Graf_Westerholt> I'll backup them.
[11:18] <Graf_Westerholt> I am installing the nvidia-current.
[11:19] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:19] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I disabled the desktops effects, do you think they could be the reason?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> I doubt it
[11:20] <BluesKaj> it's usually the reverse
[11:20] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[11:21] <Graf_Westerholt> I'll turn them on again.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> you have to reboot in order for the new driver to finish installing and loading
[11:22] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes, BluesKaj.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:23] <Graf_Westerholt> It just finished installing.
[11:23] <Graf_Westerholt> I'll reboot in a second.
[11:23] <natman> is anyone having problems with desktop effects? see a bug on known issues for 12.10? is it easy to fix?
[11:26] <BluesKaj> natman, none hare , depends on what issues you have with desktop effects
[11:27] <Graf_Westerholt> ok, going reboot.
[11:27] <MySystem> hello i have wrong encoded filenames on my ext3 (windows ext2 manager doesn set the codepage right so i think  its windows1250 instead of utf8) sample "Device Central CS3 L�ame.html" is there a way to rename the file
[11:27] <natman> BluesKaj:  still on 12.10, just wondering is it worth updating
[11:28] <natman> BluesKaj: opps still on 12.04 i mean
[11:30] <BluesKaj> I upgraded my elcheapo acer laptop yesterday from 12.04 to 12.10 without a hitch
[11:31] <natman> BluesKaj:  upgraded a xubuntu yesteday perfect, but my hp pavilion is dear to my heart!! :P
[11:32] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I am back.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> natman, and I've been running 12.10 for quite a while on thei 4 yr old HP desktop pc, and all is well
[11:35] <MySystem> the dir cmd returns "Device\ Central\ CS3\ L\202ame.html" and ls "Device Central CS3 L?ame.html"
[11:35] <BluesKaj> ok Graf_Westerholt , enable desktop effects to see if we get any errors
[11:36] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, they are enabled.
[11:36] <Graf_Westerholt> All works fine.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> coll
[11:36] <BluesKaj> err , cool
[11:36] <natman> BluesKaj: urm that 'K' shaped devil on my shoulder is telling me to do it!!! :) but backup first :(
[11:36] <Graf_Westerholt> But they worked with the nouveau, too.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> natman, :)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, well , maybe you won't have any freezes now .
[11:38] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, it means nothing that I have no problems now. Yes, we will see. I'll be right back here when it freezes again. ;)
[11:39] <tedewen> Hi all, linux noob, just installed kubuntu 12.10 a couple days ago. Now trying to get clean URL's working in Drupal 7. Drupal reports (http://drupal.org/node/15365) that clean urls are unavailable because  I need mod_rewtie enabled. The docs are more than a little overshelming - might one of you be able to help me out?
[11:39] <tedewen> mod_rewrite* :D
[11:41] <BluesKaj> tedewen, I suggest you join #drupal for support on that issue
[11:41] <tedewen> no, it's not a drupal thing BluesKag - its an apache thing
[11:42] <tedewen> but I will try there also, thanks
[11:43] <BluesKaj> tedewen, also try #httpd , it's apache support
[11:44] <wmp> hello, anyone know how to install kernel 3.6.2 to have wifi and good resolution?
[11:44] <tedewen> brilliant, thanks BluesKaj
[11:45] <BluesKaj> wmp, what's your present kubuntu version ?
[11:45] <wmp> 12.10
[11:46] <BluesKaj> wmp , what does uname -a output ?
[11:46] <wmp> 3.5.0
[11:47] <almoxarife> wmp: i doubt your issues with wifi and resolution will get corrected by bumping to the kernel 3.6.2
[11:47] <BluesKaj> wmp, and how so you know the 3.6.2 kernael will solve your issues?
[11:48] <wmp> BluesKaj: if you want know: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1068340
[11:48] <BluesKaj> so/do
[11:49] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I have the feeling that the nvidia-driver is slower with the desktop-effects.
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, you can set the effects speeds in Nvidia Server Settings GUI in Kmenu>apps>settings
[11:54] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, ok (I prefer krunner ;) )
[11:55] <BluesKaj> I always give a path of sorts , it's become habit :)
[11:56] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I need the path to the settings in NVIDIA X Server Settings. ;)
[11:57] <wmp> BluesKaj: so how to run 3.6.2?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, try it in krunner :)
[11:58] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I have the "NVIDIA X Server Settings" open, but cannot finde effect setting.
[11:58] <BluesKaj> wmp, I can't help you there , I've never tried to install kernel separately
[11:58] <wmp> :(
[11:59] <[Relic]> anyway of finding the previous FF version to roll back previous version isn't listed in muon
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, first try the OpenGL settings slider
[12:00] <BluesKaj> !kernel | wmp
[12:01] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, changes nothing.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, I the speed depends on how many desktop effects you have enabled , the more effects the slower the effects are in oreder to keep everything in sync
[12:05] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I had the same setting with nouveau before the reboot and it was smoother.
[12:06] <Graf_Westerholt> It is not as smooth as with the nouveau, but still ok.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, what is smoother ?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> or not as smooth
[12:09] <[Relic]> can I just uninstall and install the .deb from the previous version?
[12:10] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, the "slide back" effect is not as smooth as with the nouveau. But it is ok. I prefer it this way instead of having my screen frozen. :)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, ok
[12:13] <BluesKaj> [Relic], why are you regressing your FF version , you can install kde support for FF in the package manager
[12:15] <BluesKaj> !firefox-kde-support | [Relic]
[12:15] <[Relic]> certain javascript things simply stopped functioning
[12:15] <BluesKaj> !info | firefox-kde-support | [Relic]
[12:16] <BluesKaj> hmm
[12:16] <BluesKaj> [Relic], ok whicjh kubuntu ?
[12:17] <[Relic]> 12.04
[12:17] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[12:17] <[Relic]> only stopped after latest FF version, similar to the nvidia system lock ups in the latest which was fixed by roll back to a previous version
[12:24] <BluesKaj> [Relic], are you getting javascript errors or are pages just not loading properly?
[12:26] <[Relic]> certain scripts just simply stopped working
[12:32] <mah454> Hello
[12:32] <mah454> I want to download "http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/kubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso"
[12:32] <mah454> this image support LVM ?
[12:33] <mah454> I can not found kubuntu alternative installer .
[12:34] <BluesKaj> !alternate | mah454
[13:07] <oneadvent> upgrade to 12.10 went smoothly, just reporting
[13:48] <OerHeks> oneadvent, nice
[13:51] <mariez> hello, how can i rip cd's to MP3 using k3b? it only proposes ogg and wave even though libk3b6-extracodecs is installed
[13:52] <mariez> if i want to create a CD audio that everyone can read, is it ok to burn from ogg files?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> mariez, enable the mp3 plugin in k3b
[13:55] <mariez> BluesKaj: i didn't have "lame" installed
[13:55] <BluesKaj> really ? ..strange
[14:25] <nexternel> hi
[14:29] <Roey> hello, when I do sudo do-release-upgrade, I get "Checking for a new Ubuntu release \n No new release found"
[14:30] <bazhang> Roey, make sure check for LTS only is disabled
[14:31] <Roey> well I meant to ask, do I have to modify the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list first?
[14:32] <bazhang> no
[14:32] <Roey> ok
[14:32] <Roey> that's what I thought
[14:32] <Roey> where should I check that LTS-only is disabled?
[14:32] <Roey> I normally just do this all through the command line
[14:33] <bazhang> ah right
[14:33] <Roey> mr-rich:  o/
[14:33] <bazhang> the package manager for gui, for kubuntu command line, I'd need to check
[14:34] <Roey> bazhang:  normally it's a simple matter of issuing "do-release-upgrade"
[14:34] <bazhang> Roey, you are currently on 12.04 though, correct?
[14:34] <Roey> correct
[14:35] <bazhang> thats LTS, and a kind  of special case
[15:06] <tyrog> Hello. Which is the most stable DE in ubuntu? unity or KDE? Thanks.
[15:07] <apachelogger> tyrog: both
[15:08] <tyrog> apachelogger: is there one that is superior for playing games?
[15:08] <apachelogger> no
[15:08] <apachelogger> your desktop has little to do with games really
[15:08] <apachelogger> doesn't have much to do with anything 3rd party to be precise
[15:08] <tyrog> apachelogger: but unity uses compiz, i read it is bad for that purpose
[15:10] <apachelogger> tyrog: the desktop effects are what would make it less optimal for 3D gaming, those can be turned off though (or actually some of the smarter games turn them off automatically)
[15:11] <tyrog> apachelogger: as far as i know compiz cannot be disabled because unity runs ON it
[15:11] <apachelogger> that being said there is a general performance penalty for playing a 3D game while desktop effects are on
[15:11] <apachelogger> tyrog: I am pretty sure one can
[15:12] <apachelogger> eitherway that is a pointless thing to worry about because we are talking about like 5 frames less per second
[15:12] <apachelogger> and if you get so few FPS that 5 less would still matter I'd argue that the hardware is simply not able to meet the requirements of the game :)
[15:17] <tyrog> apachelogger: thanks :)
[15:29] <tyrog> apachelogger: what kind of features does KDE have that unity doesn't?
[15:30] <Wizard> Yo.
[15:31] <apachelogger> tyrog: Plasma supports widgets, has more theme options, does not send data to amazon without asking...
[15:32] <tyrog> apachelogger: and as for disadvantages?
[15:32] <Wizard> tyrog: I would say KDE is configurable. You can adjust many things.
[15:32] <Wizard> By default it's simmilar to MS Windows.
[15:33] <apachelogger> Wizard: you sure about that? http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/windows-8-metro.jpg
[15:34] <apachelogger> tyrog: don't know, I am not using unity apparently
[15:35] <Tech-1> cant get compiz to work
[16:20] <dougl> well I have installe 12.10 several times and have yet to boot a copy of it... after a successful install machine boots to blank screed saying error : file not found and leaves me with a grub rescue> prompt - any suggestions?
[16:21] <dougl> I have not seen a good install of kubuntu since 10.10
[16:27] <Tech-1> i had a good load, but compiz wont start
[16:28] <dougl> what kind of video card?
[16:28] <Tech-1> nvidia
[16:28] <dougl> what drivers?
[16:28] <Tech-1> common
[16:29] <Tech-1> kwin is for the birds
[16:29] <Tech-1> i dont know why they waste their time with it
[16:30] <dougl> I think kubuntu is for the birds... not too much good if it wont install - I don't even remember what I had to do to install 12.04, but it was an event.
[16:30] <Tech-1> i installed mine through a usb stick using unetbootin
[16:30] <Tech-1> worked great
[16:31] <Tech-1> Graphics:  Card nVidia C77 [GeForce 8200M G] X.Org 1.10.1 Res: 1366x768@50.0hz
[16:31] <Tech-1>            GLX Renderer GeForce 8200M G/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 270.41.06
[16:32] <Tech-1> if you had 12.04 why did you install 12.10, isnt 12.04 LTS ?
[16:32] <Tech-1> last time i used kde was mandrake, so, im kinda in the dark yet
[16:33] <dougl> 12.04 on this machine and 12.04 pooched on other machine so I installed 12.10 using unetbootin usb
[16:33] <Tech-1> other than compiz not booting, everything else seems to work nice
[16:33] <dougl> mandrake - that dates you :)
[16:33] <Tech-1> haha
[16:33] <Tech-1> ya
[16:34] <Tech-1> what kind of machine you have
[16:35] <dougl> p5w dh deluxe (asus) nvidia gt430 (evga)
[16:35] <Tech-1> nice
[16:36] <dougl> it does not run any operating system tho... and this one is some asrock no name piece of work with intel inside
[16:36] <Tech-1> since its nvidia gt430, thats prolly the problem'
[16:37] <Tech-1> i almost bought a asrock
[16:37] <dougl> do tell
[16:37] <Tech-1> bought gygabyte
[16:37] <compiunavarro> hola
[16:37] <Tech-1> nice ocer
[16:37] <Tech-1> !es
[16:37] <dougl> !es
[16:37] <compiunavarro> alguien que habes español
[16:38] <dougl> I try to stick with asus
[16:38] <Tech-1> i have a couple asus boards
[16:38] <Tech-1> they work good 2
[16:38] <Tech-1> m4a's
[16:38] <dougl> they have always been good to me
[16:38] <Tech-1> same here
[16:39] <dougl> so do you think there is a work around for the 430 issues?
[16:39] <Tech-1> but this gigabyte, best ocer ive ever had
[16:39] <Tech-1> not sure
[16:40] <Tech-1> i know nvidia common only works for nvidia 6 or higher
[16:40] <dougl> I am not even booting... I get a grub error
[16:40] <Tech-1> huh
[16:40] <Tech-1> weird
[16:41] <Tech-1> i did see a new grub sequence this time around with 12.10
[16:41] <dougl> sda = windows... sdb = / and swap  and sdc = /home
[16:41] <Tech-1> did you try to run it again ?
[16:41] <Tech-1> re install
[16:41] <dougl> run what? reinstalled 3 times ...
[16:42] <Tech-1> maybe the usb didnt get a good copy
[16:42] <Tech-1> wow
[16:42] <Tech-1> id say there is somthing wrong with the dl
[16:42] <dougl> 2 with pendrive made usb and 1 with unetbootin usb
[16:42] <Tech-1> just a guess
[16:43] <dougl> that was the suspision with the 12.04 (unetbootin) that performed similarly but when I used it on the notebook worked like a charm
[16:44] <Tech-1> huh
[16:44] <Tech-1> ya
[16:44] <Tech-1> i have a eee asus pc also it took it nicely also
[16:45] <Tech-1> but its also 945 graphics
[16:45] <dougl> like I said... kubuntu never installs without a hitch... last flawless install I had was ubuntu 10.10 since then I have changed to kubuntu cuz unity sux
[16:45] <Tech-1> mine was 7.10
[16:45] <Tech-1> lol
[16:45] <Tech-1> ya
[16:45] <dougl> if it works - don't fix it... lol
[16:46] <Tech-1> whoever created unity needs to be taken to the wood shed
[16:46] <dougl> I dunno... maybe back to gentoo
[16:46] <Tech-1> or sabayon
[16:46] <Tech-1> that worked forme
[16:47] <dougl> yah - unity... someone needs to give their head a shake.
[16:47] <Tech-1> yep
[16:47] <Tech-1> stupidest thing ever
[16:47] <Tech-1> it ruined linux
[16:48] <crow_> Tech-1, what ruined linux?
[16:48] <Tech-1> unity
[16:48] <dougl> yah - sabayon make gentoo a bit less painless.... kde too still?
[16:48] <crow_> it ruined ubuntu
[16:49] <dougl> crow_, I believe it did
[16:49] <Tech-1> the last build is kde only
[16:49] <crow_> it has no effect on kubuntu though
[16:49] <Tech-1> its a cell phone wanna be on a desk top
[16:50] <crow_> ^perfect description
[16:50] <Tech-1> to me, ubuntu is using the public to get into the portable market with unity
[16:50] <Tech-1> thats wrong
[16:51] <dougl> ok - gotta repeat....
[16:51] <Tech-1> ok, have fun
[16:51] <dougl> well I have installe 12.10 several times and have yet to boot a copy of it... after a successful install machine boots to blank screed saying error : file not found and leaves me with a grub rescue> prompt - any suggestions?
[16:52] <Tech-1> wow
[16:52] <Tech-1> bummer
[16:52] <dougl> dl 2 copies of 12.10
[16:52] <Tech-1> youd think with kernel 3.5 it would have the right drivers
[16:52] <dougl> one on mac = bad and on on 12.04 used to make install usbs and 1 cd that never worked
[16:53] <Tech-1> sad
[16:53] <OerHeks> dougl, did kubuntu 12.04 work before your latest attempt to install 12.10?
[16:53] <OerHeks> or is this the first try ?
[16:54] <dougl> OerHeks, I did have 12.04 running on it and I pooched it stress testing and am now trying to reinstall kubuntu
[16:54] <dougl> updating system and system crashed.
[17:22] <dougl> quiet in here today...
[17:42] <ronrom> can anyone okease package polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 the mains distros have this package that allows to manage polkit users access
[17:44] <ptomblin> You know, one of the things that kind of annoys me about ubuntu and kubuntu is that my desktop computer, which never has and never will have bluetooth, has to install and run bluetoothd, bluez and a bunch of other similar stuff.
[17:45] <dougl> ptomblin, you ever try linux from scratch?
[17:45] <ptomblin> Not since the early days when there wasn't any real distros.
[17:48] <dougl> ptomblin, a little less bloatware there but what a way to install linux - never tried myself tho... I started with redhat 5.2 -> and I consider myself lucky.
[17:50] <Ciniu> Hello, could you tell me how can I install nvidia drivers without ruining the system?
[17:50] <ptomblin> Yeah, I remember installing SLS 1.03 with kernel 0.99.14 on a lab full of computers by putting the first floppy in the first machine, and when it asked for the second, moving the first floppy to the second machine, putting the second floppy in the first, and marching all the floppies all around the lap like that.
[17:51] <ptomblin> When RedHat came out, it had an option to install from an NFS mounted partition and that was a god-send.
[17:51] <ptomblin> Oh well, I'm upgrading to 12.10 now.  Wish me luck.
[17:59] <dougl> ptomblin, good luck - let me know how you make out... just curious
[18:05] <dougl> prolly the most annoying features about 12.04 is when I open the dvd tray I get the disk half out and the fekkin tray closes jamming the disk in the half opened drawer - another contribution from the unity developers just implemented in kubuntu?
[18:06]  * dougl has a serious hate on for linux this weekend.
[18:06] <ronrom> Can anyone please tell where can i ask to package polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 ?
[18:07] <dougl> ronrom, not me - I don't even understand your question.
[18:10] <sofco3> Hello, please assist with a login issue - I have encrypted my home directory, and now I receive lnusertemp failed when try I to do graphical login. If I drop to console and manually enter "ecryptfs-mount-private", I can see my homedir.
[18:10] <dougl> sofco3, why would you encrypt you home dir - just curious.
[18:11] <dougl> ie do you live in a dorm and share your computer?
[18:14] <sofco3> dougl: corporate enviroment
[18:16] <ronrom> dougl: i encrypt the all system, not just home, in my opinion thats a false security, since temp dirs and not secured
[18:17] <dougl> thanks :)
[18:48] <Kvaks> Are there any good software in the repos to analyse bandwidth usage? (Newbie-friendly)
[18:48] <FlyingElvis> u mean like a monitor?
[18:48] <FlyingElvis> system monitor can do that for you
[18:53] <Tech-1> is there some new special way to make compiz work ?
[18:59] <sofco3> how can I start startx without sudo
[18:59] <sofco3> ?
[19:00] <sofco3> i want to use my regualar account
[19:14] <dplord> hello
[19:14] <dplord>  is anyone here?
[19:15] <Walex> dplord: sometimes
[19:15] <dplord> oh
[19:16] <Walex> dplord: usually there is no need to use 'sudo' for 'startx'. I actually use 'xinit' and do not use 'sudo' for that.
[19:16] <dplord> where are you from?
[19:16] <Walex> dplord: '/usr/bin/X' which is the wrapper for invoking 'Xorg' should be setuid 'root'.
[19:18] <artao> hai there. good day to you all .. the problem I'm having today is that my system keeps defaulting to the digital sound on my GeForce graphics card instead of the onboard integrated audio ... i've set it numberous times in weveral places, but the settings just won't seem to stick .. what' goin on with this?
[19:18] <artao> i'd prefer to completely disable the digital video-card audio
[19:18] <artao> i can find nowhere to do so however
[19:23] <Turkut> Hi :) I need a bit help :) after updating to 12.10 from 12.04.1 suddenly I can;t use the shrew soft VPN. The problem is with the qt version. currently the system has the qt4, and this program was able to use qt3 only. is there a way of using this program anyway?
[19:27] <ptomblin> Well, that kind of sucked.  I did the upgrade, and ended up at a "grub rescue" prompt.  I had to boot from a rescue disk, and reinstall grub.
[19:33] <dougl> ptomblin, that is what was happening to me... your 12.10 works then?
[19:38] <FlyingElvis> <just upgraded from ubuntu 12.04 to kubuntu 12.10...and i love this compared to unity
[19:38] <dan_l> Hi.  I just screwd up my install.
[19:39] <danloz> Ok.  So I had to purge x because I dramatically screwed up things when I installed the nvidia drivers.  Now I've got it kind of unscrewed up, but I need to reenable desktop effects.  The gui doesn't work.
[19:40] <matt____> do You have problem with Quassel client?
[19:40] <matt____> i mean when i use it after installation of nvidia driver it is like in fullscreen mode
[19:41] <matt____> but it is not; besides the window of it is badly cut
[19:42] <FlyingElvis> im using Quassel with no issues
 Well, that kind of sucked.  I did the upgrade, and ended up at a "grub rescue" prompt.  I had to boot from a rescue disk, and reinstall grub. <- need to know if this worked for you = do you have a working install of 12.10?
[19:43] <ptomblin> Yeah, it seemed to boot this time.
[19:44] <ptomblin> I think what the problem is is that I'm using a RAID1 with LVM on top of it, so I think the two disks got re-arranged and grub ended up on the boot sector of the second one.
[19:44] <dougl> ptomblin, how did you reinstall grub? and from what reskue disk?
[19:44] <ptomblin> Just to be sure, I thnk I'll do a grub-install /dev/sdb as well.
[19:45] <ptomblin> I used the one I used to install Kubuntu 12.04 (the "alternative" one, because the graphical one doesn't support lvm and raid installs)
[19:46] <dougl> ptomblin, there is an option to reinstall grub on the 12.04 install disk?
[19:47] <ptomblin> No, but there is an option to open a shell on a given partition.  I told it to open a shell on /dev/lvm2/root, and then mounted /dev/lvm2/boot, /dev/lvm2/usr etc and then did a grub-install
[19:48] <dougl> ptomblin, ah - rocket science 101... don't like linux that much anymore, if I cannot insert disk and hit anykey I surely won't be able to do that...
[19:49] <ptomblin> Well, like I said, part of it is because I was doing something fancy - using RAID1 and LVM.  If you're not using RAID1, you're probably not going to have grub installed on the wrong disk's boot sector.
[19:49] <dougl> am I having these issues because I have a mix of ide and sata drives - what the fek is the problem... sabayon 10 does not boot or install either
[19:50] <dougl> I'll try to install grub to sdb and see if that helps
[19:51] <OerHeks> I have found a constant bug, window title or http adres or tabs in Chrome gives stripes instead of readable names > http://picpaste.com/pics/Kubuntu1210chromeBUG-WohSopAW.1350762610.png
[19:52] <oneadvent> wait OerHeks so that is not blurred on purpose
[19:52] <oneadvent> ?
[19:53] <OerHeks> In this picture only the http adress is not readable, it solves itself after hoovering over it, but returns after switching from desktop back to this desktop
[19:53] <OerHeks> indeed, oneadvent
[19:54] <oneadvent> what happens to make it happen? is there particular sites? I noticed some jap characters there.
[19:55] <OerHeks> It happened to all sites, it random blurrs http adres, or the TAB, or even the window title.
[19:55] <OerHeks> Using Nvidia gt430 with standard driver, not the nvidia one
[19:56] <oneadvent> Version 22.0.1229.94?
[19:56] <oneadvent> (that is what i have and never have had this problem)
[19:56] <OerHeks> Yes, correct chrome version
[19:57] <oneadvent> NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  304.43  Sun Aug 19 20:14:03 PDT 2012
[19:57] <oneadvent> that is my nvidia driver
[19:57] <OerHeks> I upgraded today, still feel no need for the nvidia driver.
[19:59] <OerHeks> Is it worth a bug-report, oneadvent ?
[19:59] <OerHeks> imean, it is just chrome only
[20:00] <oneadvent> dang i was trying to figure out which card i have exactly
[20:00] <OerHeks> lspci | grep VGA
[20:00] <oneadvent> GeForce GTX 470
[20:01] <oneadvent> yea just remembered :/
[20:01] <OerHeks> mine >> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
[20:01] <oneadvent> that is what i'm using and no problems, maybe it is a bug with chrome though
[20:01] <OerHeks> i think so, yes.
[20:01] <oneadvent> yea i'd report it probably with nvidia and chrome
[20:01] <oneadvent> but i dont think it is kubuntus fault
[20:01] <oneadvent> weird issue
[20:02] <oneadvent> hey what manager are you using? XRender or OpenGl?
[20:02] <OerHeks> ehm, how do i tell ?
[20:02] <oneadvent> it is in system sources and desktop effects
[20:03] <oneadvent> system settings*
[20:03] <oneadvent> (advanced tab)
[20:03] <oneadvent> i'm using opengl and raster
[20:04] <OerHeks> OpenGL
[20:04] <OerHeks> + raster
[20:04] <oneadvent> dang
[20:05] <oneadvent> is your effects on?
[20:05] <oneadvent> (like a blue glow behind windows etc)
[20:05] <OerHeks> Yes, they work like a charm, so that is my thought i don't need the nvidia binairy blob
[20:06] <OerHeks> Gaming is working flawlesly too.
[20:07] <oneadvent> idk man, idk i guess i'm not using it either? i honestly dont know so long as things work
[20:07] <oneadvent> :D
[20:07] <FlyingElvis> i dont get it   why is kde so much better than unity?
[20:07] <oneadvent> have you used both FlyingElvis
[20:07] <FlyingElvis> kde is killing any thought of me wanting to go back to unity
[20:07] <FlyingElvis> yes i have
[20:08] <FlyingElvis> and kde just rocks IMO
[20:08] <OerHeks> I have not found any simular bug.
[20:08] <FlyingElvis> ive been comparing unity and kde 12.10 to decide which one im going to use, im a recent ubuntu/linux convert
[20:09] <FlyingElvis> and im sticking with kubuntu
[20:09] <dougl> ya think?
[20:10] <dougl> unity blows
[20:10] <oneadvent> hmmm hard to tell FlyingElvis, i like the options in kde instead of unity
[20:10] <FlyingElvis> im starting to think so now also
[20:10] <Roey> hey all
[20:10] <FlyingElvis> yes  many many more options with kde
[20:11] <OerHeks> You do not need a Kubuntu tweak ( not sure it even exists) , all options are available.
[20:11] <FlyingElvis> im starting to think that kubuntu is the shining jewel they dont want you to know about
[20:11] <Roey> how do I upgrade from the command-line?  I did do-dist-upgrade, but I get back "Checking for a new Ubuntu release \n No new release found"
[20:12] <FlyingElvis> Roey: are you using 12.04
[20:12] <Roey> yes I am
[20:12] <FlyingElvis> i just finished a upgrade from 12.04 myself, i found it easier to use muon
[20:12] <Roey> hmm ok.
[20:12] <FlyingElvis> hold on  i have a link for you
[20:13] <Roey> for me every release upgrade is painful.
[20:13] <Roey> never without issues.
[20:13] <Roey> and it's not like I have anything special here
[20:13] <OerHeks> I used " sudo do-release-upgrade -d " i know it is not a development update, but works fine
[20:13] <Roey> ok
[20:13] <Roey> ok that took
[20:13] <FlyingElvis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu    go there
[20:13] <OerHeks> because 12.04 is a LTS
[20:14] <Roey> OerHeks:  what are the limitations there
[20:14] <Roey> that you can't do-release-upgrade from it without the -d option?
[20:15] <oneadvent> i didn't have a lot of trouble, just had to reinstall muon, been using ubuntu center (cause of humble bundle)
[20:15] <OerHeks> not sure it can be done without -d, maybe the upgrade url is safer to use
[20:17] <oneadvent> i just used muon, bit of pushing it but it worked
[20:19] <FlyingElvis> one thing i have noticed about doing the upgrade...it takes FORVEVER compared to a clean 12.10 install
[20:19] <FlyingElvis> lol
[20:19] <FlyingElvis> my timer on it said over 2 hours and it meant 2 hours  lol
[20:22] <Belial`> FlyingElvis, it's been like the last few times i tried it too.
[20:22] <Belial`> i guess it would take just as long if you figure in time to back your system up and then do a clean install.
[20:24] <ptomblin> Dammit, I can't print to the printer on my Kubuntu box from my other computers any more!
[20:24] <ptomblin> Why did I upgrade?
[20:28] <OerHeks> oneadvent, another pic, now with bookmarks that blurr > http://picpaste.com/pics/Kubuntu1210bookmarksCHROME-BUG-FkqAsDKb.1350764847.png  but not all, odd
[20:29] <oneadvent> very odd
[20:29] <oneadvent> idk whats up wit that
[20:31] <OerHeks> No option to change fonts too, in chrome.
[20:35] <dougl> ptomblin, cups?
[20:35] <ptomblin> Yes.
[20:35] <ptomblin> I can still print locally
[20:36] <dougl> doh!
[20:36] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, my Kubuntu is running stable today.
[20:36] <FlyingElvis> OerHeks: go to system settings>application appearance>fonts>and bump up the fonts 1 size each
[20:36] <ptomblin> The queue I have on my MacBook says that it can't contact the printer.
[20:37] <[dlp]> Why hasn't the update manager offered to upgrade me to 12.10?
[20:37] <FlyingElvis> as in "ubuntu 9" to "ubuntu 10"
[20:37] <dougl> I have dedicated XP box for printers and sound from my 12.04 and OSX... ptomblin not sure what to suggest.
[20:37] <OerHeks> FlyingElvis, oke i try that
[20:38] <dougl> where's BluesKaj ?
[20:38] <FlyingElvis> [dlp]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:38] <ptomblin> This has worked for years.  I upgrade to 12.10, and suddenly it's not.
[20:38] <[dlp]> thanks
[20:38] <lynnew2012> hi
[20:38] <FlyingElvis> hello
[20:39] <OerHeks> FlyingElvis, oke thank you, i tried to reproduce the blurr, it stopped.
[20:40] <OerHeks> .8 is too small i guess
[20:40] <FlyingElvis> good :)
[20:40] <ronrom> what the kubuntu mailing list?
[20:40] <dougl> ptomblin, is it just a sharing issue - what does it say @ localhost:631?
[20:41] <ptomblin> On the Kubuntu box?  It shows the printer as expected.  "Share printers connected to this system" is checked.
[20:42] <dougl> hmmm
[20:42] <dougl> that is not just a little thing... 12.10 ccannot be a print server?
[20:43] <[dlp]> Thanks.
[20:43] <genii-around> ronrom: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ ...under Community Support ... kubuntu-users
[20:44] <ronrom> genii-around: where can i ask to package polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 ?
[20:44] <ronrom> this package does not exist in ubuntu mirrors, and it exist in other main distros and its a very helpfull tool to manage polkit users access
[20:45] <genii-around> ronrom: If you file a launchpad bug against the policy kit package and put in the title: WISHLIST   it may get looked at
[20:47] <ronrom> genii-around: i dont, but you can see it in the kde apps from git
[20:51] <ronrom> genii-around: or you can see it already packaged from Mageia -> http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/polkit-kde-kcmodules-1-0.98.1-2.mga2.src.rpm
[20:51] <matt531> how can I check if bumblebee works?
[20:51] <ronrom> matt531: optirun glxspheres
[20:52] <matt531> dzieki
[20:52] <matt531> I mean thank You
[20:54] <ronrom> genii-around: im very surprised to see that one is not packaged in ubuntu, and see thats package in main distros
[20:55] <ronrom> genii-around: so currently theres no GUI to allow to manage polikit users access
[20:55] <ptomblin> Woo hoo, I figured out what the problem is - I had to switch from ipp: to ipps: in my printer configuration.  Unfortunately Mac doesn't give you any easy way to edit this stuff, so I ended up making a new printer.
[20:56] <genii-around> ronrom: As I stated, to make a WISHLIST bug report is the most likely way any action will be taken :-)
[20:57] <dougl> ptomblin, right on!!!!
[21:02] <matt____> how to check  the version of bumblebee?
[21:02] <matt____> should I use the following command: sudo usermod -a -G bumblebee $USER?
[21:02] <dougl> ?
[21:04] <matt____> i installed bumblebee
[21:04] <matt____> and want to check its version in terminal
[21:04] <dougl> bumblebee --version
[21:05] <dougl> just guessing...
[21:05] <matt____> tried that
[21:06] <matt____> it says, that product was not found
[21:06] <dougl> and just a word to the wise... be careful and try not to sudo anything
[21:07]  * dougl wonders what bumblebee is...
[21:10] <dougl> I want my kubuntu to be my media server... what is best to use for TV as media player?/
[21:17] <dougl> !nvidia
[21:30] <matt____> i have a lame question. If i make bumblebee daemon(you knnow what i mean), does it mean every app will be launched using optirun?
[21:32] <matt____> which default kubuntu soft should i replace(which is simply better in most aspects)?
[21:35] <DarthFrog> matt____: Just use what's installed unless you're dissatisfied with it.
[21:36] <matt____> but do You have any advice on changig. I mean some app is very, very "bad" comparing to alternatives and no one knows how it's happened, that it's default in dist
[21:36] <matt____> ?
[21:38] <DarthFrog> I've not found any.  Though I do use Thunderbird and Firefox in preference to Kmail and Rekonq.
[21:38] <DarthFrog> Other than that, I use the KDE SC apps.
[21:38] <matt____> ok
[21:38] <matt____> thank You
[21:39] <DarthFrog> There's nothing wrong with Kmail or Rekonq, BTW.  I just prefer Tbird and Firefox.
[21:48] <OerHeks> FlyingElvis, happened again > http://picpaste.com/pics/Kubuntu1210blurr-2LVnVztA.1350769704.png ...
[21:49] <ptomblin> What does Kubuntu use instead of ntpd to synchronize time with the ntp servers?
[21:49] <dougl> got 12.04 installed finally
[21:49] <OerHeks> There must be something wrong with chrome and fonts ..
[21:49] <DarthFrog> dougl: But 12.10 is the current version. :-)
[21:50] <dougl> how do I make a user a system admin
[21:50] <DarthFrog> dougl: Yourself?
[21:50] <dougl> DarthFrog, tried to install 12.10 4 times - not impressed
[21:51] <dougl> yes - myself
[21:51] <DarthFrog> dougl: If you are the primary user of the system, you already are a sysadmin.  When root privileges are needed, you'll be asked for your password.  There is no root account.
[21:52] <DarthFrog> dougl: If you are not the primary user, have him/her use the "visudo" command to give you access to sudo.
[21:53] <DarthFrog> dougl: Or, more easily, be added to the "admin" group.
[21:54] <DarthFrog> dougl: There is a "vigr" command to do that.
[21:55] <DarthFrog> Actually, it's the "adm" group, not "admin".
[21:55] <dougl> DarthFrog, thanks for all the info... is not primary user but want to change so it is or atleast has all the primary user options
[21:56] <dougl> man vigr
[22:21] <OerHeks> Now i even get partial blurr in the url > http://picpaste.com/pics/Kubuntu1211evenPartialBlurr-RDYSB5ZD.1350771679.png
[22:24] <DarthFrog> dougl: For a media server, I'd suggest (and use myself) Mythbuntu.
[22:25] <DarthFrog> !mythbuntu | dougl
[22:33] <apachelogger> OerHeks: intel graphics?
[22:34] <OerHeks> apachelogger, no, Nvidia GT430 with the standard driver, not the Nvidia one
[22:34] <apachelogger> probably all the same
[22:34] <apachelogger> release notes are your friend :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Kubuntu_issues
[22:34] <apachelogger> particularly bug 1061073
[22:35] <OerHeks> Making my fonts 1 pix bigger doesn't solve it.
[22:35] <apachelogger> at least on one occasion I have seen that corrupt rendering of chrome
[22:35] <OerHeks> It happens only with chrome.
[22:35] <OerHeks> hoovering over it makes it disappear.
[22:36] <apachelogger> because that is triggering a repaint
[22:36] <apachelogger> but if you think that it is not the issue I mentioned it may well be an issue with chrome
[22:36] <apachelogger> in which case you may want to contact chrome support
[22:38] <OerHeks> How would i do that? ubuntu-bug chrome doesn't work
[22:38] <OerHeks> It is a minor cosmetic glitch, nothing serious wrong.
[22:39] <Brustofski-Fan> install 12.04.. ran dist-upgrade.. now trying to upgrade to 12.10 but do-release-upgrade is saying No new release found
[22:40] <OerHeks> I used " sudo do-release-upgrade -d " but you might want to do it the proper way > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:00] <nicolindalciucio> any italian?
[23:00] <Unit193> !it
[23:11] <Brustofski-Fan> OerHeks: Thanks for the upgrade link
[23:12] <OerHeks> have fun
[23:13] <Brustofski-Fan> it's 70% done with downloading!!
[23:32] <marcin_> one question - what are the default fonts in Kubuntu? because something got f**ked up in my instalation and can't set them right... ;/
[23:34] <OerHeks> marcin_, see  system settings > application appearance > fonts
[23:35] <marcin_> OerHeks: currently all are set to Ubuntu. but it somehow looks strange...
[23:36] <OerHeks> I have glitches too, only in chrome, some titles and urls blurr
[23:40] <itatitat> guys I have this erros message when I try to start apache 2
[23:40] <itatitat> http://askubuntu.com/questions/203844/apache-doesnt-start-after-upgrade-to-12-10
[23:40] <itatitat> someone can tell me what's happenning?, is the first time I see it