[04:16] <vibhav> .j ##d-a-t
[04:17] <vibhav> oops
[16:55] <nathanel1itane> i just popped the 12.10 gnome remix edit on live usb  and I must admit i am so tempted to come back to ubuntu  :) - one thing though, I am experiencing weirdness with  wine1.4: it refuses to install claiming failed deps and  broken packages... anyone have the same experience on  default ubuntu?
[16:55] <nathanel1itane> hey jbicha!
[17:15] <nathanel1itane> i just popped the 12.10 gnome remix edit on live usb  and I must admit i am so tempted to come back to ubuntu  :) - one thing though, I am experiencing weirdness with  wine1.4: it refuses to install claiming failed deps and  broken packages... anyone have the same experience on  default ubuntu?
[21:37] <everaldo> jbicha, is anyone asking about the missing file vmlinuz.efi.signed ?
[21:37] <everaldo> (in casper directory)
[23:05] <jbicha> everaldo: nope, know anyone who needs secure boot?
[23:08] <nathaneltitane> hey guys
[23:10] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, hey!
[23:11] <everaldo> jbicha, I will investigate but a friend just send a grub error message asking about this when using efi
[23:11] <everaldo> it happens only with UGR, not with Ubuntu
[23:11] <nathaneltitane> popped a live image of the gnome edition and must say I love it. make me want to come back to ubuntu :)
[23:12] <nathaneltitane> you guys rocked it!
[23:12] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, kudos for jbicha
[23:13] <nathaneltitane> i stumbled on an error though, maybe it's because i ran it in live mode? wine refuses to install claiming a dependency and broken packages error
[23:13] <nathaneltitane> even when using the winehq ppa for 1.5.1
[23:15] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, what is the error?
[23:16] <nathaneltitane> it refuses to install stating wine1.4.1-amd64 depends on wine1.4.1-i386...blablabla you have held broken packages . not installing due to failed dependencies
[23:17] <nathaneltitane> i updated all the sources and caches befor proceeding in both cases..  no go
[23:19] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, 64 bits right?
[23:19] <nathaneltitane> indeed
[23:20] <everaldo> please open a terminal and type
[23:20] <everaldo> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:20] <everaldo> after got an error
[23:20] <everaldo> copy the message here or on pastebin.ca
[23:21] <jbicha> everaldo: Canada?
[23:21] <nathaneltitane> well i reverted back to my fedora system.. brb gonna load it up and reconnect. give me 5 mins
[23:21] <nathaneltitane> yes
[23:21] <nathaneltitane> montreal
[23:23] <everaldo> jbicha, well, I used pastebin.ca but never think about canada
[23:23] <everaldo> could be http://pastebin.com/ :-)
[23:24] <everaldo> jbicha, some people just ask me why not have OpenOffice instead of Gnumeric and Abiword
[23:24] <everaldo> also, they miss Firefox
[23:24] <gnome> im back!
[23:24] <everaldo> I recommend install this packages but 4/5 people think that this packages must come by default
[23:24] <jbicha> paste.ubuntu.com :)
[23:25] <gnome> im on the live image
[23:25] <everaldo> oh! so theres one paste.ubuntu.com
[23:25] <everaldo> gnome, ah... so you are using live system
[23:25] <jbicha> points to the topic ^ :)
[23:25] <everaldo> gnome, you must enable some repositories
[23:25] <gnome> i did.
[23:25] <gnome> i had loaded all standard repos manually and it still errored out afaik
[23:25]  * everaldo shamed because never read topic :D
[23:26] <everaldo> gnome, so, try again and paste results on paste.ubuntu.com so I can check the problem
[23:27] <gnome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1293627/
[23:28] <TheLordOfTime> apt-get install wine wine1.4
[23:28] <TheLordOfTime> add that there, and see if it whines any more
[23:28] <gnome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1293634/
[23:28] <gnome> i had already tried that beforehand
[23:29] <TheLordOfTime> and you're on which, 12.10?
[23:30] <TheLordOfTime>  gnome: try apt-get install -f wine wine1.4
[23:31] <gnome> same eroor
[23:31] <gnome> 12.10
[23:31] <gnome> gnome remix
[23:31] <gnome> amd 64
[23:31] <jbicha> could you paste the entire output of apt-get update
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> yeah you may need to do that
[23:31] <gnome> live usb, created under ubuntu 12.04
[23:31] <jbicha> and have you run apt-get update?
[23:32] <TheLordOfTime> run apt-get update and try again, that may be the issue...
[23:32] <gnome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1293639/
[23:33] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[23:33] <TheLordOfTime> oh nevermind
[23:33] <TheLordOfTime> random 403 error xD
[23:33] <gnome> ^
[23:33] <gnome> ??
[23:33] <everaldo> hum, here it works on installed system
[23:33] <TheLordOfTime> i was opening that paste page, and i got a 403
[23:34] <everaldo> gnome, can you paste you apt sources.list?
[23:34] <gnome> root@gnome:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:34] <gnome> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu GNOME Remix 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release amd64(20121018)]/ quantal main restricted
[23:34] <gnome> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal main universe restricted multiverse
[23:34] <everaldo> gnome, also, for wine users I recommend 32bit system always
[23:34] <gnome> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-security universe main multiverse restricted
[23:34] <gnome> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal-updates universe main multiverse restricted
[23:34] <TheLordOfTime> use a pastebin!
[23:35] <gnome> will do
[23:35] <gnome> http://pastebin.com/rQBr6SZJ
[23:35] <gnome> ^^ thats the apt update output
[23:36] <gnome> well way back. i never had any wine issues on amd64, neither do i have on fedora as of right now btw
[23:37] <gnome> that sounds like a control package error
[23:37] <jbicha> gnome: the problem is that somehow you're not getting the 32-bit packages, wine is actually a 32-bit package
[23:37] <gnome> mhm
[23:37] <jbicha> I'm trying to look up something to check...
[23:37] <gnome> i just generated a full sources list
[23:37] <gnome> let me write and update
[23:38] <gnome> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php
[23:38] <everaldo> gnome,  wine is 32 bit even on fedora
[23:38] <gnome> understood
[23:38] <gnome> never knew...
[23:39] <gnome> even with the amd64/i686 suffix?
[23:39] <TheLordOfTime> yup
[23:39] <jbicha> gnome: your sources.list is fine, no need to change it
[23:39] <gnome> ok
[23:40] <gnome> well wine 15.1 failed also last time i tried from their repo
[23:40] <gnome> 1.51**
[23:40] <everaldo> gnome, just a second I am trying to install wine 1.4 here
[23:40]  * everaldo is also using a 64bit system
[23:42] <everaldo> gnome, it is just downloading packages here... looks like it will works
[23:43] <gnome> so why would it not function under live?
[23:43] <gnome> you run the gnome edit too right?
[23:43] <everaldo> gnome, yes.. always gnome edition ;-)
[23:44] <gnome> apt-get install wine
[23:44] <everaldo> sudo apt-get install wine wine1.4
[23:44] <gnome> nada. still no go
[23:44] <gnome> even with 1.5
[23:44] <gnome> still asks the i386
[23:44] <everaldo> jbicha, maybe it is a disk space size for live cd ?
[23:45] <gnome> everaldo: isnt livecd dead?
[23:45] <everaldo> gnome, no, it is not
[23:45] <gnome> so if i install it it should run i guess
[23:45] <everaldo> but maybe you cant have space to download all packages on a live session
[23:46] <everaldo> gnome, yes, it works if you install, 82% here, 2 minutes more
[23:46] <gnome> k
[23:46] <everaldo> gnome, just works here, installing
[23:47] <gnome> great then
[23:47] <everaldo> gnome, your sources.list is a little different
[23:47] <gnome> its the live sources
[23:47] <everaldo> yes, not sure if live settings enable all tha you need but after installing it enable
[23:47] <gnome> paste me yours
[23:48] <jbicha> gnome: it doesn't work with the Ubuntu amd64 live disk either; you'll just need to wait and install wine after installing
[23:48] <everaldo> gnome, would you like to try my sources.list (the one after install)
[23:48] <gnome> ya
[23:48] <gnome> please
[23:48] <jbicha> whatever you install in the live environment won't automatically be installed after you install any way
[23:48] <everaldo> gnome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1293649/
[23:48] <TheLordOfTime> jbicha's right
[23:48] <TheLordOfTime> install first, then add the packages you want, otherwise it might not work
[23:48] <everaldo> gnome,yes, jbicha is right, if you install you will lose packages after reboot
[23:49] <jbicha> you're welcome to try and file a bug, maybe against casper, and the developers should move it to the correct package if that's not correct
[23:49] <gnome> i know that guys. i was simply testing the features i personnally use under the live session to make sure everything ran ok. wine was the last thing
[23:49] <jbicha> it's not a "Ubuntu GNOME" specific bug
[23:49] <gnome> i thought so
[23:50] <jbicha> we've got plenty of bugs of our own without needing to take responsibility for ubuntu's bugs ;)
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[23:51] <everaldo> gnome, but I am sure, if you install it will works
[23:51] <everaldo> gnome, I just installed it here and is running ok, tested a Delphi program that uses ado and it works :)
[23:52] <gnome> cool
[23:52] <gnome> thanks
[23:52]  * everaldo just wanna make clean that this delphi program comes from a customer ;-)
[23:52] <gnome> so maybe im coming back to ubuntu after all :)
[23:52] <everaldo> s/clean/clear/
[23:52] <everaldo> gnome, I have used fedora for few months
[23:52] <jbicha> gnome: you can always install in a virtual machine if you want to test before committing to actually install on your computer directly
[23:52] <everaldo> also opensuse
[23:53] <gnome> didnt feel like compiling the kernel modules for vbox :P
[23:53] <everaldo> and Ubuntu always still the best in hardware compatibility and stability
[23:53] <gnome> though, would be interesting to make full use of the usb storage capacity. and expand the image to maximal size allotted to enable all the repos on the image
[23:53] <gnome> no^
[23:53] <gnome> no?
[23:53] <everaldo> gnome, the only problem for me was Unity, I really can't use it
[23:54] <gnome> I HATE UNITY
[23:54] <gnome> thats why i left in the first place
[23:54] <everaldo> so, you understand me
[23:54] <gnome> and honestly, fedora's hardware compatibility rocks
[23:54] <gnome> but that's another story :)
[23:55] <everaldo> gnome, yes?
[23:55] <gnome> so, when are we going official?
[23:55] <gnome> yes it is.
[23:55] <everaldo> gnome, don't you have problems with wireless, nvidia and amd?
[23:55] <gnome> im already on kernel 3.6.2
[23:55] <gnome> at all
[23:55] <everaldo> (in fedora)
[23:55] <everaldo> gnome, how you install nvidia, amd and wireless in fedora?
[23:55] <gnome> you just enable the external rpm fusion repos and boom!
[23:56] <everaldo> gnome, ah, that
[23:56] <gnome> kmod-nvidia
[23:56] <everaldo> so, let me tell you my problem
[23:56] <gnome> do tell
[23:56] <everaldo> I had about 6 machines on some customers
[23:56] <gnome> jbicha: when are we going official?
[23:56] <everaldo> and fedora just update kernel packages
[23:56] <everaldo> and nvidia stops to works
[23:57] <everaldo> or wireless stop to works
[23:57] <jbicha> gnome: we have to ask the Tech Board for permission and then there needs to be room on the build/image servers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[23:57] <gnome> that's because you need to recompile the driver
[23:57] <everaldo> gnome, then we need to wait between 2~4 days before rpm fusion updates its packages
[23:57] <jbicha> I think Lubuntu had to wait a cycle after the first before the second was available
[23:57] <everaldo> gnome, my customers can't do it :(
[23:58] <gnome> i know. but you can just delay the updates to weekly
[23:58] <gnome> and use akmod- which drags all required deps to recompile automatically on update
[23:58] <everaldo> I did
[23:58] <gnome> rather than kmod
[23:58] <everaldo> and install have problems
[23:58] <everaldo> even with akmod
[23:59] <gnome> never happened to me
[23:59] <everaldo> to be honest, this is not a problem for me at all
[23:59] <everaldo> but for "normal" users it looks like a hell
[23:59] <gnome> i know
[23:59] <gnome> i knw exactly what you mean
[23:59] <jbicha> everaldo: um, Fedora is too bleeding edge to be trying to support for customers
[23:59] <gnome> jbicha: good to know. so i guess it's the same for all newcomers :)