[06:00] <Kilos> morning guys
[06:02] <Kilos> i need some help please. i cant copy the script from opera or firefox. tried rightclick--no copy option
[06:02] <Kilos> also tried control c. no good
[06:02] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:02] <Kilos> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-auto-connect-ubuntu-1204-gsm-mobile-broadband-connection-on-boot-startup-service#version2
[06:03] <Kilos> thats the site
[06:03] <Kilos> is it s etting in my browsers?
[06:03] <Kilos> a setting
[06:34] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[06:35] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[06:35] <magespawn> i don't think there is a browser setting that affects that
[06:35] <Kilos> how is one supposed to copy that script?
[06:36] <Kilos> i can never type all that out
[06:37] <magespawn> hold on let me see if i can
[06:37] <Kilos> tried printing the page, doesnt give option of scrolling the script
[06:43] <magespawn> let me just power up the lappy, my tablet does not let do some things
[06:46] <Kilos> not a serious rush magespawn 
[06:46] <Kilos> been months of manual connecting
[06:47] <Kilos> just weird that there isnt a way i can copy that script
[06:47] <Kilos> maybe its a 12.02 thing
[06:47] <Kilos> 12.04
[06:48] <magespawn> maybe might be their website though
[06:50] <Kilos> i can copy/paste the rest of the text but not the script part
[06:56] <magespawn> try this Kilos http://slexy.org/view/s23EMWdUBI
[06:57] <Kilos> ty mage
[06:57] <Kilos> how did you do it
[07:02] <Cantide> when is the Durban meet? today?! or next week?!
[07:03] <Kilos> today i think Cantide 
[07:03] <Kilos> next week is the tvl one
[07:03] <Cantide> tvl?
[07:03] <Cantide> today i am TIRED
[07:03] <Cantide> haha
[07:03] <Kilos> transvaal
[07:03] <Cantide> so so so sooooo tired
[07:03] <Kilos> gauten thing
[07:03] <Cantide> cool
[07:04] <Kilos> yeah is a bit cool today. we hope for rain
[07:04] <Cantide> :p
[07:07] <magespawn> Kilos I just selected it in the normal way then Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V into slexy
[07:08] <magespawn> made a copy for myself too
[07:09] <Kilos> ty very much
[07:09] <Kilos> i hope that will fix the nm prob without causing others
[07:10] <Kilos> last script i tried caused other hassles that made me clean install
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:11] <Kilos> i tried the ctrl -v into a file on desktop didnt work
[07:12] <Kilos> nice to have friends that know
[07:12] <Kilos> hey magespawn i had another idea too
[07:13] <Kilos> if one can make a bootable iso of boot-repair and burn to cd or stick that could help lots methinks
[07:14] <magespawn> i think there are instructions to do that on the website
[07:14] <Kilos> ah ill look into that i think
[07:28] <magespawn> very handy thing to have around
[07:32] <Kilos> i think so
[07:36] <Kilos> yo zeref 
[07:36] <Kilos> you dont hmmm so much anymore
[07:37] <Kilos> must be growing up now
[07:37] <Kilos> hehe
[08:05] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:20] <Symmetria> morning
[08:21] <Kilos> hiya Symmetria 
[08:21] <Symmetria> heh, so, 6:30am this morning, my dog wanders outside and goes and plays in the rain, comes inside full of energey, but decides she's cold... climbs onto my bed where Im fast asleep, some how climbs UNDER the blankets, and flops down right ontop of me... dripping wet and freezing cold
[08:22] <Kilos> eish
[08:22] <Symmetria> do you have any, any concept of how cold a dog feels when its covered in dripping freezing rain and lands on you when you al nice and warm in bed?
[08:22] <Symmetria> :P stupid pup
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Kilos> i dont allow a dog near my room
[08:23] <Symmetria> the other day she also decided she wanted to sleep on the floor, but didnt like the tiles, so she dragged the blanket off the bed and lay on it... while I was asleep :p
[08:23] <Kilos> haha
[08:23] <Symmetria> heh kilos, thing about weimeraners, they are people obsessed
[08:24] <Symmetria> if you dont want a dog in the house and constantly around you, do NOT get a weimeraner
[08:24] <Symmetria> it will cry and cry and cry if you lock it out
[08:24] <Kilos> ya staffies too but there limits to who i share my room and bed with
[08:24] <Kilos> im allergic to flees as well
[08:25] <Kilos> get the word know practised in a very dominant tone
[08:25] <Kilos> no
[08:25] <Kilos> NO
[08:28] <Kilos> the afrikaans peeps have a saying for that
[08:28] <Kilos> maak jou stem dik
[08:30] <Kilos> yo xubuntu_ 
[08:30] <xubuntu_> *kug kug*
[08:30] <xubuntu_> :P
[08:30] <Kilos> live session user and all
[08:30] <nuvi_at_party> yeah
[08:30] <nuvi_at_party> I'm running off xubuntu 12.10 
[08:30] <Kilos> enjoy the party
[08:30] <nuvi_at_party> just checking it out for today
[08:31] <Kilos> say hi to all for me
[08:32] <magespawn> nuvi_at_party: how is it going there?
[08:32] <nuvi_at_party> magespawn, just getting started
[08:32] <nuvi_at_party> setting up stuff still :P
[08:33] <magespawn> cool, have you guys got a lot of bandwidth or not?
[08:38] <nuvi_at_party> magespawn, there were talks about it
[08:38] <nuvi_at_party> but i'm not sure ye
[08:38] <nuvi_at_party> t
[08:38] <nuvi_at_party> *yet
[08:38] <Kilos> lol
[08:39] <magespawn> was just wondering if you could put up a video link? maybe something like a google hang out?
[08:50] <nuvi_at_party> hmm, I can try that on my phone :P
[08:51] <nuvi_at_party> hrr, freakin gprs signal in here
[08:51] <nuvi_at_party> :-/
[09:12] <Squirm> the boredom
[09:13] <Squirm> I'd have liked to go the the release party. but alas, 2 hours drive and no petrol moneys :/
[09:17] <Kilos> tough in africa hey?
[09:19]  * Symmetria is busy copying 500gig of music onto a harddrive for his gf *snore*
[09:19] <Symmetria> this is gonna take forever, even with USB3 
[09:20] <Kilos> whew
[09:20] <magespawn> Squirm: where are you?
[09:20] <Squirm> Mooi RIver
[09:21] <magespawn> ahh not along my lin of travel either
[09:21] <magespawn> lin=line
[09:21] <Squirm> no
[09:22] <Squirm> I was thinking of going
[09:23] <Squirm> when I was in the UK, we I went to a few BaB's (Bring a Box). Organise a free venue(someone on the list had access to one), everyone can bring their own pc, etc. a few people do small talks on something they're interested in
[09:23] <Squirm> was like, once a month
[09:24] <Squirm> maybe we should try and organise something like that around Durban
[09:24] <Squirm> one place I went to was the Nokia HQ :P
[09:25] <magespawn> would be very cool, that way if you miss one you can always make the next
[09:25] <Squirm> yeah. it was just a social get-together
[09:25] <Squirm> bring lunch, have a braai
[09:26] <Squirm> (depending on the venue)
[09:26] <Squirm> I think I'll put it to the list
[09:29] <magespawn> i have been looking a lot at hacker spaces, that is an ultimate dream for me
[09:29] <Squirm> I'm so annoyed I didn't  get to the one in London
[09:30] <Squirm> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Ductape
[09:30] <Squirm> blame SmileyBorg
[09:36] <Kilos> magespawn, im gonna bring qp here just to see if the greeter is working
[09:36] <Kilos> peeps dont come and go on my channel
[09:38] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:38] <Symmetria> Im gonna get myself into such deep trouble
[09:38] <Squirm> Kilos: nothing
[09:38] <Kilos> why now Symmetria 
[09:38] <Symmetria> :P dating your friends best friend in secret without your friend knowing, thats looking for trouble
[09:38] <Symmetria> :P
[09:38] <magespawn> okay there might be an objection to that though
[09:38] <magespawn> hold on a sec
[09:38] <Symmetria> because friend is gonna find out Ive been seeing her best friend eventually, after warning me repeatedly not to go near her friends :p
[09:39] <Symmetria> small town, only so long before that gets out :p
[09:39] <magespawn> Kilos I will rejoing your channel in a bit to see if it works
[09:39] <Kilos> eish Symmetria 
[09:39] <Kilos> magespawn, 
[09:39] <Squirm> Symmetria: I suggest telling her :P Cause you know what's going to happen if she finds out via other source
[09:39] <Squirm> s
[09:39] <Symmetria> hahaha I warned this chick, go tell kelly we're seeing each other, she's like, are you crazy, kelly will flip out and I gotta work with her
[09:39] <Kilos> i forget but it greets after you on for few dasy or weeks isnt it
[09:40] <Symmetria> squirm haha not for me to tell her, gf can tell her if she chooses
[09:40] <Kilos> hehe
[09:40]  * Squirm shrugs
[09:40] <Symmetria> but its a small town, and I have a feeling gf and I were seen last night by this chicks other friends so I said to her, you better say something :p
[09:40] <Squirm> either way Symmetria, let me know what happens when she finds out
[09:40] <magespawn> not sure 
[09:40] <Symmetria> she's like, not a fuck, I told her last night I was studying and oculdnt go out anywhere, she will kill me
[09:40] <magespawn> will check 
[09:40] <Symmetria> Im like, you told her WHAT?  lol
[09:41] <Symmetria> chickz, I tell you
[09:41] <Squirm> just let me know what happens :P
[09:41] <Symmetria> Squirm haha if Im still alive afterwards I will do that
[09:41] <magespawn> Kilos got to go get some food
[09:41] <magespawn> brb
[09:41] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[09:43] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[09:50] <Kilos> Symmetria, friendship is more important than a fling
[09:50] <Kilos> unless you wanna marry the chick
[09:51] <Symmetria> kilos, bronwyn and I kinda, started as a fling, but its become a lot more than that :p
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <Symmetria> and I kinda think Kelly would be happier if it were just a fling, as much of a friend as she is to me, haha she still views me as an older corrupting influence :p
[09:51] <Kilos> whew when it comes to the female of the species one gotta tread lightly
[09:52] <Symmetria> (Kelly is 20, gf is 23, Im 32, almost 33, and well, both of those chicks are like, super innocent with no real world experience)
[09:52] <Squirm> tut tut tut Symmetria 
[09:52] <Squirm> shame on you
[09:52] <Squirm> :P
[09:52] <Symmetria> and haha Kelly knows my history far 2 well, and well, she's aware of just how... not innocent I used to be :)
[09:52] <Kilos> lol they dont call you oom?
[09:52] <Kilos> haha
[09:53] <Kilos> hey Symmetria did you chat around about a host for us?
[09:54] <Symmetria> Kilos hahaha I just have a bit of a reputation as being a bit of a player :p
[09:54] <Symmetria> Kilos aint been able to get holda him yet
[09:54] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[09:54] <Kilos> ok a rep is something one battles to get away from
[09:55] <Symmetria> can someone do me a favour and open www.alstonnetworks.net, checking something on my log files
[09:55] <charlvn> ok got it open
[09:55] <Symmetria> thanks :)
[09:55] <Kilos> just remember the female of the species is often far deadlier than the male
[09:55] <Symmetria> just wanted to make sure the logigng was working right
[09:55] <charlvn> my ip is 82.74.148.48
[09:55] <charlvn> cool
[09:56] <Symmetria> btw :) any comments on that website are always appreciated
[09:56]  * Squirm sets his bots on ChanServ 
[09:56]  * Squirm sets his bots on charlvn 
[09:56] <Squirm> Symmetria: needs a favicon
[09:56] <Squirm> :P
[09:57] <Kilos> favicon??
[09:58] <Squirm> the little icon that appears in the title bar
[09:58] <Symmetria> lol
[09:58] <Kilos> what does it do Squirm 
[09:58] <charlvn> Squirm: your bots?
[09:58] <Squirm> Kilos: http://mybroadband.co.za/favicon.ico
[09:59] <Squirm> https://www.google.co.za/favicon.ico
[09:59] <Squirm> http://www.raspberrypi.org/favicon.ico
[09:59] <Kilos> enough
[09:59] <Squirm> Kilos: it just makes it look better :P
[09:59] <Squirm> and appears when you bookmark the page
[09:59] <charlvn> you have a nice logo that you can easily resize into a favicon
[10:00] <Squirm> yep
[10:00] <Symmetria> *hrm* will do that :) 
[10:00] <charlvn> there are a ton of tools online that will do the job for you
[10:00] <charlvn> like this one: http://tools.dynamicdrive.com/favicon/
[10:01] <Kilos> that tiny little icon
[10:01] <Kilos> i dont even see them
[10:01] <Squirm> you just resize it to about 32x32
[10:01] <Kilos> is it an active thing
[10:01] <charlvn> the only feedback i would have is that maybe you would like to consider having the menu options on the front page (like Network Auditing) expand with a little bit of javascript inside the same page
[10:01] <charlvn> that instead of opening a whole new page
[10:01] <charlvn> you can do that very easily with some jquery, just show and hide, you can even use animation
[10:02] <charlvn> http://api.jquery.com/show/
[10:02] <charlvn> http://api.jquery.com/hide/
[10:02] <Symmetria> *hrm* thanks :) thats a nice idea
[10:02] <charlvn> and personally i would put my contact details in the top-right corner of the page and do away with the top menu altogether
[10:03] <Symmetria> do I hve to do anything in the code to reference that favicon 
[10:03] <Symmetria> or does it do it automatically
[10:03] <charlvn> automatically
[10:03] <charlvn> the browser checks the favicon.ico in the root of the site
[10:03] <magespawn> back
[10:03] <charlvn> wb magespawn 
[10:03] <Symmetria> well. it should be there now
[10:03] <Symmetria> :p
[10:04] <charlvn> hmm strange that i don't yet see it
[10:04] <charlvn> lemme clear my cache
[10:04] <charlvn> hmmm
[10:04] <Squirm> I see it
[10:05] <charlvn> strange i don't see it in chromium
[10:05] <Squirm> I do
[10:06] <charlvn> i don't see it in firefox either - very strange indeed
[10:06] <Squirm> and I just closed and opened the page again
[10:06] <charlvn> i've even restarted my browser
[10:07] <charlvn> btw i just looked it up: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/howto-favicon
[10:07] <charlvn> the preferred method does seem to be to have a <link type="icon" /> in your page
[10:07] <charlvn> and according to the wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon
[10:07] <Symmetria> hrm, will add that in a few
[10:08] <charlvn> the most well supported seems to be this: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/myicon.ico" />
[10:08] <Squirm> <meta itemprop="image" content="/images/google_favicon_128.png"><title>Google</title>
[10:09] <charlvn> hmm, interesting, i haven't seen that used before
[10:11] <Squirm> neither have I
[10:11] <Squirm> but then again. I don't really do websites
[10:12] <charlvn> i would rather follow the traditional way
[10:12] <charlvn> for compatibility
[10:12] <Squirm> I thought I'd check google, cause they'd go with compatibility
[10:12] <Symmetria> :) Brb, need a cigarette
[10:12] <Squirm> but I really don't know. I just think a favicon looks good
[10:13] <charlvn> interesting: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/links.html#rel-icon
[10:13] <charlvn> i don't care about favicons much myself but it does add a nice finishing touch
[10:13] <charlvn> just makes it look well-worked-off
[10:13] <charlvn> well rounded off or however you say it in english :P
[10:13] <Squirm> oh sweet. our cache is 25Gb. but on average, we're saving between 15%-20% bandwidth usage a day
[10:13] <Squirm> which is only about 1Gb
[10:14] <Squirm> but on a 4mb line, it'll make a difference
[10:16] <charlvn> Squirm: how do you avoid stale cache issues?
[10:17] <Squirm> charlvn: I don't know :P my first time I'm doing something like thise
[10:17] <Squirm> I let squid do what it does
[10:17] <charlvn> i have a general hate against generic proxy caches due to various reasons, that being one of them
[10:18] <charlvn> but it might be a benefit on low-bandwidth environments
[10:18] <Squirm> charlvn: at any one time, we can have a max of 60 students + staff on the net
[10:18] <charlvn> server-side reverse proxies can be really powerful though
[10:18] <charlvn> but that's under the developer's control
[10:19] <charlvn> where i work we have about 15.000 but then again we have a lot more bandwidth :)
[10:20] <Squirm> we're getting 4x4mb lines in January
[10:20] <Squirm> charlvn: where do you work?
[10:20] <charlvn> Squirm: i prefer not to say
[10:20] <Squirm> ok
[10:22]  * Squirm yawns
[10:22] <Symmetria> heh, in most cases because of the speed lines Im used to working with, we find that proxy servers actually just end up bottlenecking
[10:22] <Squirm> oh shut it
[10:23] <Squirm> :/
[10:23] <Symmetria> heh Squirm the problem is trying to explain that to the client
[10:23] <Squirm> meh
[10:23] <Symmetria> "Get rid of your proxy server" "zomg why" "because its making your network slow"
[10:23] <Squirm> lol
[10:23] <Symmetria> then they are like, can't we upgrade it to handle the bandwidth
[10:24] <Symmetria> and Im like, well, you can, but here is what thats gonna cost
[10:24] <Symmetria> :P then they throw it out
[10:24] <Squirm> I wish my line was fast enough to make a proxy pointless
[10:24] <Squirm> hopefully next year it'll be better
[10:24]  * Symmetria just ordered his new home wireless gear
[10:25] <Squirm> stupid exchange can only handle 4mbit
[10:25] <Symmetria> heh, complete overkill for a house, and spent WAY 2 much money
[10:25] <Symmetria> but I'll have the sweetest wireless setup anywhere
[10:25] <Symmetria> I've gone with a 5 AP Aruba config with a controller that lets me roam between APs without any hit whatsoever
[10:26] <Symmetria> it even does proper signal degradation handoff and jams any APs that arent authorized 
[10:27] <Squirm> ...
[10:27] <Squirm> I want a pair of these
[10:27] <Squirm> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
[10:27] <Squirm> R16k a pop from Miro though
[10:29] <Symmetria> heh squirm the Aruba stuff is around 4 to 5k an AP and then like, 60k for the controller, but its amazing gear, truely amazing
[10:31] <Squirm> ...
[10:44] <charlvn> for those who haven't seen this yet, quite cool: Explore a Google data center with Street View http://youtu.be/avP5d16wEp0
[10:54] <Squirm> wow
[11:05] <magespawn> very wow
[11:06] <charlvn> this is a relatively old post but also interesting: http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-rare-look-inside-facebooks-oregon-data-center-photos-video/
[11:07] <magespawn> Squirm: i was looking at the wavion eqiupment from Miro
[11:08] <magespawn> this particularly
[11:08] <magespawn> http://www.miro.co.za/detail.aspx?pid=1851&p=&sp=&spp=
[11:14] <magespawn> anybody know some good online material to learn how to use a mulitmeter, preferable video?
[11:15] <charlvn> each multimeter is different
[11:15] <charlvn> but they are generally very easy to use
[11:16] <charlvn> what exactly do you want to do?
[11:16] <magespawn> just not sure how to use all the functions
[11:16] <charlvn> just look up your particular model
[11:16] <charlvn> maybe you can find a guide online
[11:23] <magespawn> did find some, just thought to ask, maybe there was one hidden away somewhere
[11:25] <Kilos> what you wanna measure magespawn 
[11:25] <Kilos> multimeter as in volts ohms amps resistance etc?
[11:26] <magespawn> yes Kilos, only really know how to use the volatge tester
[11:26] <Kilos> they quite simple to use
[11:27] <Kilos> ok so volts dc and ac you got
[11:27] <magespawn> yup
[11:28] <Kilos> what more you wanna know
[11:28] <magespawn> there is one section with the F symbol, not sure what that does?
[11:29] <Kilos> you sure its F
[11:29] <Kilos> most have 2 volts 1 mV
[11:30] <Kilos> ohms
[11:30] <magespawn> yup with measurements in 200u, 20u, 2u, 200n and 20n
[11:30] <Kilos> that upside down crazy u thing
[11:30] <Kilos> thats for resistance
[11:30] <magespawn> yeah have that too
[11:30] <magespawn> with measurements in 200
[11:30] <Kilos> then it be new stuff maybe frequency
[11:31] <Kilos> or farads
[11:31] <Kilos> never seen a meter with that on
[11:31] <Kilos> farads measure condensors
[11:31] <Kilos> capacitors
[11:32] <magespawn> hmm well will do some research online
[11:32] <Kilos> we just used ohms and look for kick in meter then revewrse leads for another kick
[11:33] <Kerbero> new multimeters can measure capacitance 
[11:34] <magespawn> for ref it is this one http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/weihuaelectronic/product-detailybomnxQKaE
[11:35] <Kerbero> link doesn't work
[11:35] <magespawn> sorry 
[11:35] <magespawn> http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/weihuaelectronic/product-detailybomnxQKaEhZ/China-Digital-Multimeter-DT9205A-.html
[11:36] <Kerbero> it seems ok
[11:36] <Kerbero> what price?
[11:37] <magespawn> bought it some time ago so not sure but I think about R300
[11:37] <Kerbero> if you shop around you will even find ones that can measure temperature humidity and decibells (sound)
[11:37] <Kerbero> that is an OK price for that thing
[11:55] <kodez> greetings to all
[11:56] <Kilos> whew, heavy hail storm. 8ta tower died for a while too
[11:58] <charlvn> wow
[11:59] <Kilos> some bits bigget than top of beer bottle
[11:59] <Kilos> cap
[12:00] <charlvn> that's not exactly fine hail but i've seen pieces of hail much bigger than a golf ball
[12:00] <charlvn> we had that a few times in george
[12:06] <Kilos> not healthy to walk around in that methinks
[12:06] <charlvn> nope life endangering more like it :)
[12:07] <charlvn> it caused serious damage
[12:07] <charlvn> luckily we didn't suffer any damage but some people's cars got messed up and glass panels on the roof got broken
[12:07] <charlvn> hail got inside the house, ruined everything
[12:07] <charlvn> big insurance disaster, because insurance doesn't want to pay for natural disasters sometimes
[12:07] <charlvn> etc etc i could carry on
[12:08] <charlvn> but just by the sound on the roof it felt like a full-out onslaught!
[12:09] <Kilos> yeah we got a tin roof here, couldnt here myself think
[12:27] <charlvn> phew
[12:27] <charlvn> ok yes, i was in a building with one of those as well
[12:27] <charlvn> i know what you mean :) now imagine gold sided (or larger) hail on a tin roof
[12:27] <charlvn> lol
[12:32] <magespawn> gold sided? golf sized?
[12:34] <Kilos> lol
[12:34] <Kilos> golf man
[12:34] <Kilos> golf ball size
[12:34] <Kilos> only 10mm rain though
[13:00] <charlvn> magespawn: golf sized lol
[13:00] <charlvn> how the heck did i type gold sided
[13:01] <magespawn> no idea, did make for stange reading though
[13:01] <charlvn> :D
[13:01] <charlvn> that would have been awesome though
[13:01] <charlvn> gold raining from the sky
[13:01] <charlvn> _very_ dangerous, but awesome
[13:01] <charlvn> wow that would destroy everything on the ground, gold is heavy
[13:02] <charlvn> my uncle worked at a mine for many years
[13:02] <magespawn> make everyone rich, and kill the world economy instantly
[13:03] <charlvn> i think it will just devalue the price of gold drastically :P
[13:04] <charlvn> but we could make computer chips with the gold
[13:04] <charlvn> it's a very good conductor i think
[13:04] <charlvn> or no, that was silver actually
[13:04] <magespawn> look like they had some fun at the Durban release party
[13:04] <charlvn> pics or it didn't happen :)
[13:06] <magespawn> yup pics are up on g+
[13:11] <charlvn> url ? :)
[13:16] <magespawn> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/114667672517793596439/albums/5801318726666261265
[13:17] <charlvn> ah yes
[13:17] <charlvn> very nice
[13:18] <magespawn> i think they must either love or hate geeks at that coffee shop
[13:19] <Squirm> cool
[13:19] <charlvn> very nice!
[13:19] <Squirm> want to go now :/
[13:19] <magespawn> indeed
[13:19] <charlvn> wow, they even brought a wireless router or something with them?
[13:19] <charlvn> hard core!
[13:35] <magespawn> on my way homw, bye all
[14:27] <charlvn> ciao
[14:30] <Kilos> hmm that script doesnt work magespawn 
[14:32] <Kilos> go sharks
[14:32] <Kilos> lets win something today
[14:45] <Kilos> oh i didnt go all the way with that script
[14:51] <Kilos> w0000t works like a dream
[14:55] <Kilos> now just 6 more workspaces and i could live with unity
[16:06] <smileE17> :)
[16:11] <Kilos> yo smileE17 
[16:13] <smileE17> hi smileE17 
[16:13] <smileE17> I learned some Afrikaans words today :)
[16:13] <Kilos> nice
[16:14] <Kilos> wbb gotta go inject a dog by neighbour for mange
[16:28] <charlvn> hi smileE17 
[16:28] <charlvn> i hope those are good words, not curse words
[16:28] <charlvn> :)
[16:29] <smileE17> no, charlvn :p
[16:29] <smileE17> for example 'n pynappel
[16:29] <smileE17> :p
[16:32] <charlvn> oh i see, a annanas :)
[16:32] <charlvn> *an
[16:33] <charlvn> *ananas
[16:33] <charlvn> goodness gracious
[16:33] <charlvn> i need some coffee :)
[16:34] <Kilos> lots
[16:38] <Kilos> hey Trixar_za 
[16:39] <smileE17> yeah, charlvn :) pineapple :p
[16:40] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[16:47] <smileE17> http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliestoei :D
[16:53] <charlvn> what the
[16:53] <charlvn> what kind of weird crap are you finding :)
[17:08] <smileE17> well someone told me about it :P
[17:08] <smileE17> And it was fun to share :)
[17:10] <charlvn> heh
[17:11] <charlvn> oooh i just bought some belgian beer, a 6-pack of bruine leffe
[17:11] <charlvn> very nice
[17:18] <smileE17> :D
[17:18] <smileE17> where did you buy it charlvn ? :)
[17:25] <inetpro> good evening
[17:26] <inetpro> where can I find MP3 music legally in South Africa via (k)Ubuntu?
[17:27]  * inetpro can't even buy it via Amazon
[17:32] <smileE17> inetpro: well I have a combination of YT with Greasemonkey/http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/62634 & FFmpeg (sh script) :D
[17:33] <inetpro> yikes!
[17:33] <smileE17> but maybe that's to difficult for you? :P
[17:41] <inetpro> buying music online seems like a mission impossible
[17:42] <smileE17> groete,smile4ever or groet, smile4ever (in an e-mail)
[17:42] <inetpro> groete
[17:42] <inetpro> or even groetnis
[17:43] <smileE17> wat beteken groetnis? :p
[17:43] <inetpro> greetings
[17:43] <smileE17> Okay :)
[17:44] <smileE17> dankie, inetpro 
[17:45] <smileE17> setsjhaba sa, south africa :p
[17:45] <smileE17> uit die blou van onse hemel
[17:45] <smileE17> uit die diepte van ons see
[17:45] <smileE17> oor ons ewige gebergtes
[17:45] <smileE17> :D
[17:54] <inetpro> smileE17: wat maak jy?
[17:55] <smileE17> inetpro: wat sou ek moet maak? :)
[18:00] <inetpro> smileE17: jy praat van ons volkslied en al
[18:01] <inetpro> ek wonder maar net
[18:01] <smileE17> ek is besig met die kultuur te leer, inetpro :)
[18:01] <smileE17> & please correct me if I make mistakes
[18:01] <inetpro> ai
[18:02] <smileE17> I think 'met' doesn't need to be there :p
[18:02] <inetpro> ek is besig om die kultuur te leer?
[18:02] <smileE17> ja? :)
[18:02] <smileE17> :D
[18:03] <inetpro> smileE17: wat het jy met kilos aangevang?
[18:03] <inetpro> hoekom is hy nie hier nie?
[18:04] <smileE17> ek het oom kilos opgeëet
[18:04] <smileE17> hy is nou verteer, inetpro 
[18:04] <smileE17> :p
[18:04] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:06] <smileE17> maar ek sal oopgesny word :P
[18:06] <smileE17> en oom kilos sal terugkeer
[18:06] <smileE17> :p
[18:06] <smileE17> (in a slightly different form)
[18:06] <smileE17> :p
[18:06] <inetpro> smileE17: jy is baie stout vanaand!
[18:06] <smileE17> ekskuus, inetpro :(
[18:07]  * smileE17 gee inetpro 'n drukkie
[18:07] <inetpro> nee meneer, ek soek nie drukkies nie
[18:08] <smileE17> hou jy nie van drukkies nie? :p
[18:11]  * smileE17 tover oom kilos terug
[18:15] <charlvn> smileE17: at the albert heijn just behind my apartment
[18:15] <charlvn> sorry for slow response, busy watching a movie :)
[18:15] <smileE17> charlvn: they sell it in the AH? lol :)
[18:16] <smileE17> which movie? :D
[18:16] <charlvn> smileE17: yup, i was quite impressed when i saw it :) i live quite far from belgium so it's convenient ;)
[18:17] <charlvn> i live very close to germany though so that is a benefit as well ;)
[18:19] <smileE17> :D
[18:30] <smileE17> bye! :)
[18:30] <smileE17> good night
[18:47]  * inetpro disappointed that the Amazon MP3 Downloader is not supported on Linux
[19:22] <inetpro> ok have just bought me first music at www.lookandlisten.co.za
[20:05] <kbmonkey> Symmetria, I have hit a .htaccess snafu, do you know about this file for me to fire a question?
[20:31] <inetpro> kbmonkey: what's wrong with your .htaccess file?
[20:32] <kbmonkey> oh hi inetpro 
[20:33] <inetpro> wb kbmonkey
[20:33] <kbmonkey> its simple, really. because of the nature of the site I have, it is static html files.
[20:34] <kbmonkey> but I want to integrate a php based comment system. so I added a AddType to process .html as php. It actually works great when you browse the site root :)
[20:35] <inetpro> ok
[20:35] <kbmonkey> but the moment you browse to a absolute URL, like site.com/somepage.html, the php inside the file do not get processed
[20:35] <kbmonkey> but if I browse the site root, i.e. site.com (no html file specified), it does work.
[20:36] <kbmonkey> that is, the index.html file works, but any other file does not.
[20:36] <inetpro> what's your statement?
[20:36] <kbmonkey> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .html
[20:37] <inetpro> mine works with the following
[20:37] <kbmonkey> one would think that will apply to all .html files, but it only works on index.html
[20:37] <inetpro> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .htm .html
[20:39] <inetpro> kbmonkey: but I apply that directly in the apache config inside a directory context
[20:39] <inetpro> maybe that is the key
[20:40] <kbmonkey> yes, I think you may be right
[20:40] <kbmonkey> Your line I tried that line of yours as well, no luck
[20:40] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:41] <inetpro> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_mime.html#addtype
[20:41] <inetpro> according to that teh context can be: server config, virtual host, directory, .htaccess
[20:41] <inetpro> the*
[20:41]  * superfly prefers dealing with non-braindead technologies
[20:41] <superfly> kbmonkey: why not use disqus?
[20:42] <kbmonkey> a proprietary closed-source comment system? no thanks ;)
[20:43] <superfly> written in Django/Python and used by millions of people world wide, with an active security team and a way to export all your data so that it is yours...
[20:43] <superfly> kbmonkey: as opposed to your home-grown solution which will break the moment I look at it because it is written in PHP and you haven't thought of all the possible routes to break it?
[20:43] <kbmonkey> I guess its not that bad superfly, I am just on a mission to learn by playing around
[20:43] <superfly> kbmonkey: learn a programming language, not a badly mangled toy
[20:44] <superfly> kbmonkey: sorry, not trying to jump down your throat, just tired of all the really bad PHP solutions out there
[20:45] <superfly> which seem to proliferate at a rate which is the envy of the computer hardware industry
[20:46] <superfly> (not that Python is completely immune to that, but it happens FAR less often)
[20:47] <kbmonkey> hell superfly, you are correct. I checked and my server supports Python :)
[20:47] <superfly> kbmonkey: most do these days, actually
[20:48] <superfly> sometimes they're a little on the braindead side on how it is implemented (most still do CGI when WSGI is by far easier and much faster)
[20:48]  * superfly has been playing around with Flask a little lately, and likes how small and simple it is
[20:49] <superfly> I'd use Pyramid for a proper app any day, but for something to quickly throw together, Flask is hard to beat
[20:49]  * inetpro surprised that superfly still likes drupal
[20:49] <kbmonkey> I'm using pelican, a Python static blog that uses Markdown
[20:49] <superfly> inetpro: there's no proper Python CMS yet
[20:49] <superfly> and don't tell me Plone
[20:50] <superfly> you need a server farm just to run one instance of Plone
[20:50] <superfly> and you need root on the server, and a whole bunch of other things
[20:50] <superfly> it'll take a LOT to beat Drupal, and there's nothing in the Python world that is remotely close to it
[20:50] <superfly> or Wordpress, for that matter
[20:51] <inetpro> superfly: so when do you expect will we see a proper Python CMS?
[20:51] <superfly> inetpro: Never. In the Python world everyone is too busy building proper applications
[20:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:52] <Vince-0> Django ?
[20:52] <superfly> inetpro: I've seen a few... there's one based on Django whose name escapes me
[20:52] <kbmonkey> lol superfly :)
[20:52] <superfly> Vince-0: Django is the worst solution in the Python world. Use Pyramid or Flask
[20:53] <Vince-0> ow ok if you say so, I just read about these things
[20:53] <superfly> inetpro: but in reality none of them matches Drupal's flexibility and "enchancability"
[20:53] <superfly> *enchanceability"
[20:53] <kbmonkey> well Im avoiding a CMS framework or the heavyweights for a light, personal blog
[20:54] <superfly> kbmonkey: I actually started writing a blog in Python, but life got in the way
[20:54] <superfly> http://code365.info/ (if it's still up)
[20:54] <superfly> meh
[20:54] <superfly> it's not.
[20:54] <kbmonkey> I see the python wiki has a list of blog engines. neat
[20:55] <superfly> https://launchpad.net/scribeengine
[20:55] <inetpro> kbmonkey: wordpress is very popular for light personal blogs
[20:55] <superfly> inetpro: wordpress is not light
[20:55] <kbmonkey> most of them integrate disqus
[20:55] <charlvn> well that's all relative
[20:55] <superfly> Drupal is lighter than Wordpress these days. My poor MySQL was dying under Wordpress's queries
[20:55] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... I guess not anymore
[20:56] <charlvn> what is light and what is heavy i mean
[20:56] <kbmonkey> well im moving away from wp
[20:56] <inetpro> wow
[20:56] <charlvn> compare wordpress for example against oracle's weblogic and then you have a super light weight solution :)
[20:56] <charlvn> that doesn't mean wordpress is really light-weight or efficient though
[20:57] <charlvn> most people seem to run wordpress on a shared host so they don't care much about efficiency or security
[20:57] <kbmonkey> basically I want to write a post in markdown, render to html, and rsync the content up. dont need or want wysiwyg editors
[20:57] <charlvn> kbmonkey: you could do that with github even
[20:57] <kbmonkey> indeed charlvn :()
[20:57] <charlvn> github pages, i once made a site like that for myself
[20:57] <charlvn> and then you can even host it straight on github under your own hostname
[20:58] <charlvn> domain i mean
[20:58] <inetpro> yikes, you guys have interesting ideas
[20:58] <kbmonkey> its all lipstick on chickens
[20:58] <charlvn> nice thing is that github even transforms the markdown for you
[20:59] <charlvn> lol
[21:00] <kbmonkey> thanks for the help inetpro
[21:00] <KilosK> superfly, inetpro you guys here
[21:00] <KilosK> hi kbmonkey 
[21:00] <inetpro> Maaz: quote of the day is its all lipstick on chickens
[21:00] <kbmonkey> and superfly 
[21:00] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it
[21:00] <kbmonkey> hello KilosK 
[21:00] <superfly> np kbmonkey
[21:01] <inetpro> Maaz: no quote of the day is its all lipstick on chickens - by kbmonkey
[21:01] <charlvn> hi KilosK 
[21:01] <Maaz> inetpro: If you say so
[21:01] <KilosK> there is a herb called feverfew
[21:01] <superfly> hi KilosK
[21:01] <inetpro> wb KilosK
[21:02] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you're welcome
[21:02] <KilosK> 1 1/2 large or 3 small leaves on a sandwick 2x a day will slowly fix your migraines
[21:02] <KilosK> found it in old notes of mine
[21:02] <inetpro> sandwick?
[21:02] <KilosK> sandwich
[21:02] <superfly> all the time? every day?
[21:02] <KilosK> toebroodjie
[21:02] <inetpro> :-)
[21:03] <KilosK> till you dont have them anymore
[21:03] <kbmonkey> are you sure you dont smoke those leaves, KilosK ? ;)
[21:04] <KilosK> it was written in my not so important notes because i never had migraines
[21:04] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[21:04]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[21:04] <KilosK> haha kbmonkey you twit
[21:04] <KilosK> Maaz, coffee please
[21:04] <Maaz> KilosK: Done
[21:04] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[21:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[21:04] <inetpro> a last one for the night
[21:05] <KilosK> i just woke a while ago. crashed early with a head
[21:05] <superfly> I'm getting me a real one of those
[21:05] <inetpro> eish superfly, to late now
[21:06] <inetpro> tomorrow is Sunday
[21:06] <KilosK> lol never too late
[21:06] <KilosK> that story that coffee keeps you awake is an old wives tale
[21:06] <KilosK> only works on old women
[21:07] <KilosK> what did i miss guys??
[21:07] <kbmonkey> unless it is 3 espressos 
[21:07] <KilosK> kbmonkey, are you well lad?
[21:08] <kbmonkey> we had a nice ubuntu release meet today
[21:08] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey, KilosK and inetpro!
[21:08] <KilosK> great, got pics??
[21:08] <kbmonkey> saw nuvolari and william and co
[21:08] <KilosK> Maaz, ty
[21:08] <Maaz> You are welcome KilosK
[21:08] <kbmonkey> yes, i will find the pics on g+
[21:09] <KilosK> they must be given to eil for reports
[21:09] <KilosK> neil
[21:09] <kbmonkey> ok :)
[21:09] <KilosK> not-found fella
[21:09] <KilosK> write a little story with too
[21:10] <KilosK> we gotta try get lots in for our reaxceptance thingie year end
[21:10] <KilosK> whew
[21:10] <KilosK> reacceptance
[21:10] <KilosK> i give up
[21:12] <KilosK> kbmonkey, my bot only greeted once that i saw, have you ideas?
[21:12] <kbmonkey> oh yes? which # is it on?
[21:13] <KilosK> ##kilos
[21:13] <inetpro> KilosK: I had a power failure last night until later this morning
[21:13] <kbmonkey> let me enter and see...
[21:13] <KilosK> eish inetpro 
[21:13] <inetpro> until I fixed it myself, that is
[21:13] <KilosK> what was wrong inetpro 
[21:14] <inetpro> damn thing tripped at the pole
[21:14] <kbmonkey> if i recall KilosK, it wont greet people if there was people talking in the last 5 mins or so
[21:14] <KilosK> oh ya
[21:14]  * inetpro tried to contact everyone possible at the city council this morn, without luck
[21:15] <inetpro> so I eventually just took a long pole and switched it on myself
[21:15] <KilosK> actually inetpro service is falling apart badly all over
[21:15] <kbmonkey> eish
[21:15] <KilosK> niece stays somewhere in town and was without water for 2 days
[21:16] <KilosK> inetpro, well done
[21:16] <charlvn> inetpro: wow, isn't that dangerous?!
[21:16] <KilosK> not if the pole wood
[21:16] <KilosK> dry wood
[21:16] <inetpro> charlvn: I seriously didn't like the idea but man, I can assure I would be without power even now if I hadn't done that
[21:17] <kbmonkey> as long as you jump in the air while you switch it ;)
[21:17] <KilosK> lol
[21:17] <inetpro> fridges would have started unfreezing
[21:17] <inetpro> and tomorrow morning I would definitely be having cold water for the shower
[21:17] <KilosK> superfly, all natural remedies work slowly on your system but they arent bad for you like meds
[21:18] <charlvn> inetpro: yeah sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
[21:18] <inetpro> and I know it was only tripped because of yesterdays storm that we had
[21:18] <KilosK> they actually teach your system to fight the problem so you gotta be patient
[21:19] <KilosK> inetpro, we had hail yesterday and today
[21:19] <KilosK> big hail this avy
[21:19] <inetpro> sjoe
[21:20] <inetpro> we just had very small slush puppy hail
[21:20] <KilosK> ai it was heavy on the tin roof
[21:20] <KilosK> some pieces were nearly twice the size of a beer bottel cap
[21:21] <inetpro> at least the kids called it slush puppy, oh and that was yesterday while I was still at the office
[21:21] <inetpro> wow
[21:21] <KilosK> if swaar didnt drink i woulda had to find other gauge
[21:22] <KilosK> lots of fruit of plum and peach trees
[21:22] <KilosK> off
[21:22] <KilosK> i go sleep again. ty for the chats
[21:22] <KilosK> look after yourselves
[21:22] <KilosK> sleep tight