[00:29] <Snapjack> Upgraded to 12.10 last night and everything went smooth until today when I realised that I have no volume control on the panel.
[00:31] <recon_lap> Snapjack: try add a indicator applet to the panel
[00:32] <Unit193> Make sure thunar-volman (close to it) is installed.
[00:34] <GridCube> plugin indicators do NOT work on xubuntu 12.10
[00:34] <GridCube> read the release blog
[00:35] <recon_lap> OK, as a LTS Luddite I'll have to stop trying to answer questions
[00:36] <GridCube> plugin indicators its coded on gtk3 and the xfce panel is on gtk2
[00:36] <GridCube> theres the option to add a volume controler from the xfce goodies
[00:37] <Unit193> GridCube: Some do.
[00:41] <Snapjack> It isn't in the add new items to panel and I have installed xfce4-goodies. I saw a bug report on it but its status was fixed. My keyboard controls work fine.
[00:43] <GridCube> Snapjack, try this: http://code.google.com/p/volti/
[00:44] <Snapjack> Thank you, I will.
[00:45] <Shodex> Howdy, has anyone else upgraded to 12.10 and magically gotten a couple new floppy drives?
[00:48] <Unit193> Shodex: Yep.
[00:49] <Shodex> Unit193: Do you know of any way to fix it?
[00:50] <Unit193> Not looked, doesn't bother as much as some other things did.
[00:50] <Shodex> The main menu options are givin' me hell too.
[00:51] <Unit193> Alacarte fails, yes.
[00:52] <Shodex> Hopefully the bugs'll get patched out soon, 'cause I'm not really feeling the benefits atm.
[00:52] <Unit193> On several I am, but menu isn't an issue.
[00:56] <Snapjack> GridCube That worked! Thanks.
[00:57] <GridCube> :)
[01:54] <john_rambo> when I click on my Home folder icon on Desktop it says Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. And then it opens
[02:10] <xubuntu969> hello
[02:11] <xubuntu969> shui zhi dao zenme qiehuan shurufa?
[02:11] <xubuntu969> you ren zai ma ?
[02:11] <UnknownFork> phonetic chinese?
[02:11] <xubuntu969> yes ,, chinese shurufa.
[02:12] <xubuntu969> ru guo meiyou wangluo, hai nengbuneng anzhuang Xubuntu ?
[02:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu969:  /join #ubuntu-cn
[02:14] <xubuntu969> thank you
[02:29] <c_smith> anyone here know why in Xubuntu 12.10 the messaging menu isn't available?
[02:31] <Unit193> !notes
[02:32] <c_smith> Unit193, thanks, didn't think to look there.
[02:32] <Unit193> There's a slightly hacky way to do it.
[02:33] <c_smith> I take hacky to mean modifying the source of the indicator?
[02:41] <Unit193> c_smith: Means pulling it up on LP, downloading the 4 packages for precise, and holding them.
[02:41] <c_smith> ah, not that hard, had to do that type of thing before.
[02:41] <Unit193> 5 Packages.
[02:41] <c_smith> not often, but yeah
[02:42] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/indicator-messages
[02:43] <Unit193> (had to find it again, uploaded them so I wouldn't have to)
[03:14] <soreau> in gmusicbrowser, the equalizer sliders are all grayed out and can't use it. Do I need to install something extra to make it work?
[03:16] <soreau> ah, just a setting I missed
[04:21] <pwnedulongtime> menu editing not working to good in 12.10
[04:23] <Unit193> You are correct, menulibre and lxmenueditor are two not in the repo that may, unless you want to edit by hand (not too hard)
[04:24] <pwnedulongtime> in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu ?
[04:25] <pwnedulongtime> I really don't see the point of fixing something that isn't broke....but then breaking it
[04:25] <Unit193> Copy to ~/.config/menus/  xfce-applications.menu and applications.menu should already be in there.
[04:26] <pwnedulongtime> there seem to be two: /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[04:26] <pwnedulongtime> /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[04:28] <Unit193> xdg-xubuntu
[04:30] <pwnedulongtime> thx
[04:30] <Unit193> Sure.
[04:31] <pwnedulongtime> I'm seeing some bad video tearing as well, i915
[04:32] <Unit193> i915 here, and it was my other one (not the i915) that hit it. :P
[04:32] <pwnedulongtime> you hit something with your i915?
[04:33] <Unit193> Meh, nothing like that, more of full on X failures.
[04:34] <pwnedulongtime> ironix isn't it?
[04:34] <pwnedulongtime> X-ubuntu
[04:36] <pwnedulongtime> still can't edit the menu
[04:44] <sdollins> Unit193: So you found the cause for menu editing not working?
[04:49] <pwnedulongtime> nope
[04:50] <pwnedulongtime> i did an upgrade, so I may have profile data that's messing with it
[04:50] <pwnedulongtime> possibly
[04:50] <sdollins> No, I'm having the same issue after a clean install.
[04:51] <pwnedulongtime> ah ok
[04:51] <pwnedulongtime> hey can you extract a zip file by right clicking and extract to...?
[04:51] <pwnedulongtime> or tar,gz
[04:52] <sdollins> I managed to get my menu edited without breaking anything.
[04:54] <pwnedulongtime> how?
[04:54] <sdollins> copied the xfce-applications.menu file to ~/.config/menus/ and changed the merge path in applications.menu
[04:54] <sdollins> then removed the separator I wanted to remove in xfce-applications.menu
[04:55] <pwnedulongtime> hmm, I want to use the gui
[04:55] <pwnedulongtime> since it's there and should work
[04:56] <pwnedulongtime> how this wasn't caught in beta is beyond me
[05:00] <pwnedulongtime> sdollins, oh isee
[05:00] <pwnedulongtime> i'll try that
[05:07] <Unit193> sdollins: Not with alacarte, but yes.
[05:20] <pwnedulongtime> sdollins, your method works, but logout goes missing and the structure/naming is different
[06:12] <sdollins> pwnedulongtime: everything is fine for me...
[06:24] <tasawan> Hello, I just upgraded to 12.10 and have some issues with my video drivers. I have an ati 4670 and I believe the new fglrx drivers don't support it anymore. The free drivers work fine except for some flickering while scrolling.
[06:25] <tasawan> Playing video causes the audio to skip as well. I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction to a solution. Thanks
[06:27] <pwnedulongtime> video flickering has always been a problem
[06:27] <pwnedulongtime> but your audio problem sounds unrelated
[06:28] <soreau> tasawan: it shouldn't flicker.. what do you mean by that exactly? flashing black or random corruption?
[06:32] <tasawan> Well, I don't quite know how to explain it, scrolling isn't smooth and sort of jumps around. Video, even 720p videos play fine besides the sound skipping. Not terribly serious problems, just slightly annoying.
[06:32] <soreau> tasawan: Since you've upgraded and were using fglrx, maybe parts of it are still installed, causing problems with the open driver. Can you pastebin.com your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[06:33] <innot> I didn't,but do u have a question about it?
[06:34] <tasawan> @soreu, it is quite long, any specific section you want to look at, or the whole thing?
[06:34] <soreau> tasawan: yes, I want to see what driver it's using and if you have 3D working
[06:34] <soreau> !pastebin | tasawan
[06:35] <Quelp> Good morning guys. Have anyone found a way to use the indicator-messages within 12.10? I've already tried to use the precise packages, but it complains about missing libraries (libxfce4util.so.4, libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3).. Symlinking them doesnt work either: "undefined symbol: xfce_panel_plugin_provider_set_orientation"
[06:36] <tasawan> Hope I'm doing this correctly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1291310/
[06:39] <soreau> tasawan: yea, it looks like everything is installed correctly except you could get rid of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:41] <soreau> tasawan: you might look around if anyone has filed a bug report about it or ask in #radeon
[06:42] <tasawan> I renamed xorg.cong to ~xorg.conf-bkp, would that work? I'll ask there. Thank you for your help.
[06:46] <soreau> tasawan: What player are you using to test video playback btw?
[06:48] <tasawan> Parole and VLC. Viedo plays fine, no problems there, the audio skips on videos that are 720p or higher.
[06:49] <soreau> make sure to use xv rendering if you're not already
[06:51] <tasawan> How do I check whether I am using xv rendering?
[06:52] <soreau> tasawan: a good test would be to install mplayer and run mplayer -vo xv /path/to/video/file.ext
[06:52] <soreau> or check your players settings
[06:55] <innot> I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and now my upper panel doesn't work right. Indicators,date&time and action buttons are in left of the panel and moves to the right when I opens new windows. When tested 12.10 from live-cd panel was working fine and in the 12.04 too. Should I disenable fglrx for example?
[06:55] <pwnedulongtime> 12.10 is a lemon
[06:57] <Quelp> innot: Open Panelproperties and check "expand-checkbox" the seperator-element between tasklist and date in its settings
[06:59] <Quelp> Wow, did i wrioe that? :D
[06:59] <Quelp> *wrote
[06:59] <tasawan> soreau: I am using mpalyer -vo -xv and the video is playing and no sound trouble.
[07:01] <innot> Quelp: thanks!
[07:04] <pwnedulongtime> i'm switching to linux mint
[07:12] <baizon> =)
[07:13] <tasawan> Soreau: Thank you for your help. I'll see if I can find a bug report for the video drivers. The rest seems to be working for now.
[07:14] <innot> How can I remove disk icon from dekstop because I have them doubled. In desktop preferences in "default icons"-section removable devices hide the other but can I remove the extra icons?
[07:21] <charleyfoxtrot> xubuntu 12.10 is slick
[07:22] <charleyfoxtrot> really nice
[07:22] <charleyfoxtrot> instant favorite for me
[07:22] <charleyfoxtrot> good job everyone involved, damn
[07:50] <johnSmith> can someone help me setting up xubuntu onto my flash drive? I need persistence...
[07:50] <apm1> johnSmith, what's the problem ?
[07:51] <johnSmith> i have a mac and im trying to figure out how to put xubuntu on my 16 gb flash drive and make it persistent
[07:52] <apm1> johnSmith, i too am typing this on a mac , running xubuntu and debian wheezy so fire away :p
[07:52] <apm1> johnSmith, is xubuntu on the HD of this mac ?
[07:52] <johnSmith> no
[07:53] <johnSmith> i am currently downloading the file now
[07:53] <johnSmith> =(
[07:53] <charleyfoxtrot> downloading xubuntu is =)
[07:54] <johnSmith> yea
[07:54] <johnSmith> lol
[07:54] <apm1> johnSmith, you can not run xubuntu from a flash drive on a mac but only from a HD or a CD
[07:54] <apm1> i have tried so hard to do it but to no avail
[07:54] <johnSmith> ahh, even if i change the file to a .img like with ubuntu?
[07:55] <apm1> johnSmith, the image format doesn't matter
[07:55] <johnSmith> =(
[07:55] <apm1> it's the GRUB2 efi bootloader we need :(
[07:55] <johnSmith> dam apple...
[07:55] <apm1> yes damn apple's decisions :p
[07:55] <johnSmith> lol
[07:56] <apm1> johnSmith, try debian wheezy beta 3 it has grub2-efi , boots from flashdrives :p
[07:56] <charleyfoxtrot> they can't be all that bad, Linus Torvalds himself uses a mac
[07:56] <johnSmith> ok if i set it up for use on a pc, im in college and plenty of public access machines, how can i make the persistence file larger if using something like pendrivelinux.com
[07:56] <charleyfoxtrot> albeit, his macbook air isn't running os x
[07:57] <charleyfoxtrot> johnSmith you just want to use the mac to create the USB but not to use it?
[07:57] <apm1> Charleyfoxtront i am running debian and xubuntu on my mac , no os x
[07:57] <johnSmith> correct
[07:57] <apm1> that is possible first install xubuntu from cd on the hd
[07:57] <johnSmith> i hate windows but i would like a unix like enviroment while working on my programs on campus
[07:57] <charleyfoxtrot> wait have you tried unetbootin??
[07:58] <apm1> johnSmith, can you burn a cd ?
[07:58] <johnSmith> yes i have tried unetbootin
[07:58] <johnSmith> doesnt run =(
[07:58] <charleyfoxtrot> ah
[07:58] <johnSmith> i have downloaded it from sourceforge but once i click it, it doesnt do anything
[07:58] <apm1> johnSmith, can you burn a dvd / cd for xubuntu ?
[07:58] <charleyfoxtrot> are you going to be using command-line tools? if so you can use SSH to your home computer
[07:58] <johnSmith> no cds avalible im poor college student haha
[07:59] <charleyfoxtrot> I doubt the computers on your campus will allow you to boot from USB or CD anyway. they might. but I wouldn't count on the security allowing it
[07:59] <apm1> johnSmith, if you can get a dvd it's just a moment's job
[07:59] <johnSmith> they do allow it, i saw some other CS student using xubuntu from a flash drive
[07:59] <charleyfoxtrot> right on
[07:59] <charleyfoxtrot> so no luck with unetbootin?
[08:00] <charleyfoxtrot> because that's what I have always used when I needed to make a live usb
[08:00] <charleyfoxtrot> with persistence, too
[08:00] <johnSmith> no cds around here =(
[08:00] <johnSmith> nope
[08:00] <apm1> johnSmith, that other student is using os X + xubuntu with refit installed (google refit)
[08:00] <johnSmith> unetbootin, downloaded twice and it doesnt run, hangs after i put password to run the program
[08:01] <charleyfoxtrot> hmm
[08:01] <charleyfoxtrot> apml I don't think he meant that the campus computer was a mac
[08:01] <apm1> johnSmith, what OS are you on right now ?
[08:01] <johnSmith> and the other student does not use os x
[08:01] <johnSmith> im on mac, campus is all windows 7 =(
[08:01] <apm1> johnSmith, a mac running OS X ?
[08:02] <johnSmith> yea 10.7
[08:02] <apm1> johnSmith, if you can somehow get a DVD you can save yourself a crapload of trouble :p
[08:03] <johnSmith> lol ok i will try and get some tomorrow
[08:03] <apm1> when you get a dvd
[08:03] <johnSmith> once i have them, is there a tutorial or guide on how to do it?
[08:03] <apm1> do these steps
[08:03] <apm1> 1.burn xubuntu.iso on the dvd
[08:04] <apm1> 2. insert the dvd in mac
[08:04] <apm1> 3. reboot holding c , hold  the "C" key when you hear the startup chime
[08:05] <apm1> keep holding it it will get you to the live xubuntu session there click on try xubuntu without installing
[08:05] <apm1> now in the live session go to the xfce menu on the top pannel
[08:05] <johnSmith> nice, thank you for your help guys/gals
[08:06] <apm1> johnSmith, should i type the remaining steps ??
[08:06] <johnSmith> yes plz -=)
[08:06] <johnSmith> =)*
[08:07] <apm1> next click on the rat-mouse  icon in the top panel it is in the same place as the apple logo on os x the top left of the screen
[08:07] <apm1> now clicking that should bring up a drop down menu
[08:08] <apm1> in this drop down menu click on the system tab
[08:08] <apm1> in the submenu of system you will find a utility "startup disk creator"
[08:08] <apm1> click the startup disk utility
[08:08] <charleyfoxtrot> johnSmith do you have access to windows? You can make a liveUSB a number of ways, just want you to know. You seem to want persistence
[08:09] <johnSmith> i do have access to windows, but locked machines so i cant do much
[08:09] <apm1> johnSmith, concentrate on the steps for once
[08:09] <johnSmith> so the startup disk util is like the one in ubuntu? where i can set up to 4gb or persistence storage?
[08:10] <johnSmith> lol
[08:10] <apm1> yes it is exactly the same as in ubuntu :)
[08:10] <johnSmith> wo0t
[08:10] <johnSmith> so once i have livecd it should be a breeze
[08:10] <apm1> yup
[08:10] <johnSmith> ok now, is there anyway to make that persistence file any bigger?
[08:11] <johnSmith> more than 4gb?
[08:11] <apm1> johnSmith, partition the other partitions of the flash drive in ext4
[08:11] <apm1> except the one on which you are creating the xubuntu live image
[08:12] <apm1> now mount these partitions when you need more space :)
[08:12] <johnSmith> so can i save system updates to these partitions?
[08:13] <apm1> system updates as in ?
[08:13] <apm1> yeah they are like normal harddrive partitions , they are not a part of this live install
[08:13] <johnSmith> like the xubuntu updates, do they stick after reboot if i have these ext4 partitions? and do i have to name them casper-rw and delete the casper-rw file ?
[08:14] <apm1> i don't know what a "casper - rw " thingy is :p
[08:15] <johnSmith> i know in ubuntu casper-rw is the file they use for persistence
[08:15] <apm1> then in xubuntu it should be the same
[08:15] <johnSmith> k
[08:15] <johnSmith> thank you again so much for your help i really appreciate it
[08:16] <apm1> johnSmith, may the force be with you :p
[08:16] <johnSmith> and also with you
[08:18] <Name141> Is there anything special that 12.10 has that the LTS doesn't ?
[08:18] <apm1> Name141, honestly bloat :p
[08:19] <apm1> Name141, let's discuss in xubuntu-offtopic
[08:19] <Name141> apm1: I keep thinking of replacing XP with a Xubuntu since Ubuntu screwed up the UI worse than Windows 8
[08:19] <Name141> oh
[08:19] <TheSheep> apm1: did you even try it?
[08:20] <apm1> TheSheep, nope but if ubuntu is crap then it must have screwed xubuntu with it :(
[08:20] <Name141> apm1: Unity.
[08:20] <TheSheep> apm1: can you please limit yourself to factual information on this channel?
[08:21] <apm1> TheSheep, i can but i am a little paranoid so i at times slip :p
[08:21] <TheSheep> apm1: fear, uncertainty and doubt are not appreciated
[08:21] <apm1> TheSheep, let's talk in OT ?
[09:12] <ovidiutk> Hello. I upgraded yesterday from 12.04 to 12.10 and now Xubuntu no longer asks for password when resuming from suspend. How can I fix that?
[10:12] <xubuntu698> Hello
[10:15] <xubuntu698> I  installed yesterday xubuntu 12.10, but now the tv usb doesn't work (it worked ok with 12.04)  Anyone can help?
[10:17] <helpmeplls> hello?
[10:17] <helpmeplls> can someone please help me jesus christ
[10:17] <helpmeplls> i have been trying to get my wifi card to work
[10:18] <helpmeplls> on 12.04, the problem is i dont have ethernet internet to have all the hard work done easy
[10:18] <helpmeplls> i have followed guide
[10:19] <helpmeplls> but i CANNOT get b43-fwcutter to install at all. any help is greatly appreciated
[10:21] <helpmeplls> ?
[10:22] <xubuntu698> hello helpmeplls, lot of people here but no answer
[10:23] <helpmeplls> if i double click to run b43-fwcutter its greyed out, i tried the other way and it doesnt work at all
[10:23] <helpmeplls> i cant seem to dl the correct one
[10:23] <helpmeplls> hell i have tried all of them now
[10:24] <helpmeplls> im doing something wrong
[10:24] <helpmeplls> and im going to go calm down real fast brb been working on this stuff all night hours
[11:49] <josy1982> i have 12 GB RAM installed on my pc what version should i use 32 bit or 64 bit?
[11:50] <Kagee> 64.
[11:51] <Kagee> josy1982: 32 bit is unable to use mote than ~3
[12:14] <apm1> can i damage my ssd by running an old kernel ?
[13:16] <xubuntu365> Morning all - anyone else had a problem with the xubuntu-12.3.10-desktop-amd64.iso torrent?
[13:20] <xubuntu365> Download with no errors reported - can't copy (thunar reports an error splicing the file) but can create a bootable usb which boots (VERY VERY slowly)
[14:37] <dmbekker> hi, I just install xubuntu and installed the nvidia drivers (nvidia-current) but it gave me a error and said that I needed to restart X server.. I googled a bit and found "kill -9 `pidof X`" and now I can't login to a xubuntu/xfce session..
[14:37] <dmbekker> I'm on a guest session with unity atm :/
[14:38] <dmbekker> installed ubuntu first and installed the package xubuntu-destkop to get xubuntu kinda I mean
[14:40] <dmbekker> whoops
[14:45] <dmbekker> I just reinstall ubuntu..
[15:19] <Industrial> I've installed the package xmonad which gives me another window manager to run besides xfce, and adds itself to the gdm menu; I have a .xinitrc in my homedir (that doesn't launch a window manager atm but does contain other configuration) though it isn't ran. Hoow can I get this config file to run when I start an xmonad session?
[15:23] <GridCube> gdm?
[15:24] <Industrial> gnome display manager (if that's the one also used in xfce?)
[15:25] <Industrial> err, in xubuntu>
[15:25] <GridCube> wich version of xubuntu?
[15:25] <GridCube> since 11.04 we use lightdm
[15:28] <apm1> light dm rocks :)
[15:28] <apm1> even on debian it's better than gdm :)
[15:45] <njall89> Hey there, I am stuck with what seems to be a rather common problem with my broadcom wireless. it does not work. :P Can anyone help?
[15:45] <njall89> using xubuntu 12.04
[15:45] <njall89> And I am a ubuntu newb,
[15:47] <njall89> well, is anyone feels like it and sees this message give me some sort of a nod sometime soon, thank you
[15:48] <GridCube> !ot | njall89
[15:48] <GridCube> :)
[15:52] <bazhang> !broadcom | njall89 start here
[15:52] <schreber> is it normal for the trash can (within the file manager) to simply disappear?
[15:53] <holstein> schreber: maybe you have just removed a bookmark/shortcut
[15:54] <schreber> oddly no. but given the oddity that it is how would I check to see if that is the case?
[15:54] <GridCube> oh... i have to read the whole messages people send :/ sorry njall89
[16:21] <kbarter> hello
[16:21] <kbarter> can I ask you for help? I am not sure where look for this specific problem cos its about Wake on Lan - ACPI..
[16:23] <recon_lap> just ask, if anyone knows they will answer, you might want to create a pastebin with all the details so you can ask again easily
[16:23] <zombyrad> Hi, I have a question about the Parole media player: can you change the video output, like in mplayer?
[16:25] <GridCube> zombyrad, i dont know
[16:26] <kbarter> ok. first: the problem is with network card which supports Wake on Lan - g. I can set up WOL, etc, all everything about it. but problem is when I turn off computer, network card is also turned off and there is no chance to do WOL after bigger amount of time (hour and so on). I am able to turn on server to minute with WOL so I presume there is a problem with ACPI or something like that. Something like "You, network card, stay turned o
[16:27] <kbarter> That means I am able to turn PC on to a minute after poweroff, later not. I made this with Ubuntu wiki and network card does nothing :-(
[16:53] <GridCube> !java
[16:53] <baizon> i recommend openjdk
[16:54] <GridCube> !openjdk
[16:55] <GridCube> oh...
[16:55] <baizon> !openjre
[16:55] <GridCube> For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Java. Please upgrade to the latest version.
[16:55] <GridCube> :(
[16:55] <baizon> well its on the java page
[16:55] <GridCube> installing java7 its a pita
[16:55] <baizon> GridCube:  icedtea-7-plugin
[16:56] <baizon> this will gelp
[16:56] <baizon> help
[16:56] <recon_lap> is their a safe version of java?
[16:56] <recon_lap> there*
[16:56] <GridCube> baizon, trying that
[16:56] <baizon> recon_lap: openjdk is save :) java too just install the new version
[16:56] <GridCube> holly earth, its 67MiB
[16:57] <baizon> GridCube: because of the openjdk-7-jre
[16:57] <GridCube> mmhm yes
[17:05] <kbarter> need to go for a bit to test WOL
[17:06] <baizon> wol?
[17:07] <kbarter> wake on lan
[17:07] <kbarter> i have problem with network card, it turns off despite configured /etc/init.d/halt
[17:09] <kbarter> so IDK where the problem is
[18:25] <xubuntu188> I just upgraded to 12.10.  One of the changes I would like to find the fix for is the Panel.  Instead of being locked the part with you log in name, date/time, wifi, batttery and virtual desktops moves.  Can this be locked to the right side of the panel again?
[18:28] <GridCube> add a separator and set it to auto expand
[18:34] <xubuntu188> Thanks GridCube
[19:14] <dplord> hello
[19:15] <recon_lap> wow, 9 seconds must be a new record
[19:18] <GridCube> yep
[20:38] <Evropi> hello everyone
[20:38] <Evropi> bug to report
[20:38] <Evropi> and I guess -devel would not want imbeciles like -.-
[20:38] <Evropi> me*
[20:38] <moetunes> !bugs
[20:39] <Evropi> lol, thanks
[20:39] <Evropi> but see
[20:39] <Evropi> I'm not sure if it IS a bug
[20:39] <moetunes> depends on the type of bug I would guess
[20:39] <TheSheep> just describe the problem already :)
[20:39] <Evropi> I can't delete separators in the edit menu dialog for the Applications Menu (top left by default)
[20:39] <Evropi> I removed Ubuntu Software Centre from there
[20:40] <Evropi> oh yeah and I can't make USC appear in the System menu
[20:40] <Evropi> (by checking the box)
[20:40] <Evropi> is there some text configuration for this like with Openbox?
[20:41] <Evropi> but yeah basically in the "root" menu I have a separator that I'd like to remove and as many times as I click delete, nothing happens
[20:41] <Evropi> Xubuntu 12.10 btw
[20:42] <Evropi> so, any ideas?
[20:43] <TheSheep> Evropi: well, the menu is assembled from files that are in your /usr/share/applications/
[20:44] <TheSheep> Evropi: you can copy them to your /home/username/.local/share/applications and edit there, they are text files
[20:44] <Evropi> thanks
[20:44] <TheSheep> Evropi: and they might have additional rules in them that the menu editor doesn't understand
[20:44] <Evropi> cool
[20:44] <Evropi> btw, do you use WeeChat or something
[20:45] <Suxumuxu> hi guys :)
[20:45] <Evropi> I've learn to come to despise the auto-highlight thingymajiggy -.-
[20:45] <Evropi> γεια χαρά
[20:45] <TheSheep> Evropi: I use irssi
[20:45] <Suxumuxu> geia sou Evropi pou esi mas maranes :P
[20:45] <Evropi> yeah no hard feelings, just no need to highlight all the time :)
[20:46] <Suxumuxu> wraia parea!!!
[20:46] <TheSheep> sorry, that's a habit from the really busy channels
[20:46] <Evropi> lol Suxumuxu, δεν είναι καλά τα ελληνικά μου, έχω μεγαλώσει στην Αγγλία αλλά ευχαριστώ
[20:46] <Evropi> let's continue in English
[20:46] <Suxumuxu> Guys , I love xfce!!!
[20:47] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : Cool , glad to meet you ... , even in this digital form :P
[20:47] <TheSheep> there is also #xubuntu-offtopic, just saying :)
[20:48] <Evropi> Wahaha, this choice of handle actually came from educational aims
[20:48] <Evropi> people would ask me what "Evropi" means, I tell them it's how Europe should pronounce and teach them a lesson in ethymology and linguistics
[20:48] <Evropi> that's the main idea but no-one has asked me to this day -.- feels bad man
[20:49] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, i won't ask you because i know that Evropi was one of the many Zeus lovers ;)
[20:49] <TheSheep> it's a channel where you can talk about things like education and linguistics, for example, without highlighting the peple who just want to help with xubuntu :)
[20:49] <TheSheep> it's really great
[20:50] <Evropi> haha sorry, I'll stop there then
[20:50] <TheSheep> *wink* *wink*
[20:50] <Evropi> seems pretty dead though
[20:50] <TheSheep> easy to change
[20:51] <Evropi> okay TheSheep, I have a support query
[20:51] <Evropi> is there a way to make Java applications that use the infamous Swing GUI... integrate more?
[20:51] <Suxumuxu> sorry guys can you suggest me a way to recover my files , the problem is that installed xubuntu with encryption on top of my old install partitions..
[20:51] <Evropi> I'm looking at GeoGebra in particular
[20:52] <Suxumuxu> the result is that my partition were merged into one encrypted and disapeare with my files alltogether....
[20:52] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: I don't have good news for you
[20:52] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : Tell what i am feeling already ...
[20:53] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: they were most probably formatted in the process
[20:53] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: and filled with random data before the encryption
[20:54] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: but it's possible that your encrypted home partition is just mounted on top of your old home, in that case it's recoverable
[20:54] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : I think that xubuntu should have mentioned with more BOLD  that it will erase EVERYTHING
[20:54] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: can you pastebin the output of 'mount' command?
[20:54] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : Sure one moment!!
[20:55] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: well, you are supposed to make a backup before you touch any partitions anyways, and I believe xubuntu tells you that
[20:55] <Evropi> http://pastee.org
[20:55] <Evropi> privacy conscious pastebin (yes, I use DuckDuckGo)
[20:56] <TheSheep> there is also an ubuntu one in the topic
[20:56] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : yeah yeah , The truth is that i let my selkf click next next without thinking enoupg . god demit ...
[20:57] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : Cool I 'll use it :) ;) I LOVE YOU!!!
[20:57] <Evropi> No homo
[20:57] <Evropi> -)
[20:58] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : lol , me too , join me LOL :P
[20:59] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : https://pastee.org/nmnq4
[21:00] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : the password is :   evropiMeansEurope
[21:00] <TheSheep> that is ridiculous...
[21:00] <Evropi> wahaha
[21:00] <TheSheep> you paste it on the same channel, one next to the other
[21:01] <TheSheep> what's the point?
[21:01] <TheSheep> anyways
[21:01] <TheSheep> it doesn't look like you have any encrypted partitions mounted?
[21:04] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : sorry i reinstalled without encryption after i realized that my files were not easy recoverable
[21:05] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : before reinstallation i tried with testdisk and photorec BUT nothing helpfull came out :(
[21:05] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: ok, can you pastebin the result of 'sudo fdisk -l' (that will list all partitions on your disks)
[21:05] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, :Testdisk is supposed to find accidentaly deleted partition...
[21:06] <TheSheep> but if you formatted them, then there is really no hope
[21:06] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, ; ok but i think that the bitpadding has done is job... to make my old partitions a ghost...
[21:08] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, :  https://pastee.org/2f553
[21:08] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : Here you are
[21:09] <Evropi> Suxumuxu: if my proposition interests you please reply in query chat
[21:09] <Evropi> and yes, this is a genuine effort to recruit translators for open source
[21:09] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : I think that the problem is that i can't use the live-cd approach because the partition was encrypted....
[21:10] <Suxumuxu> Evropi, : One moment please :)
[21:10] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: looks like it's all formatted and gone, sorry
[21:11] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, ; Don't feel sorry ,it is my fault to be very "click Next" tolerant.....
[21:12] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : anyway Thanks for your time dude , really Thanks!
[21:13] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : What i learned today is that when you encrypt a disc
[21:13] <Suxumuxu> bitpadding happens in the meantime.... and destroys your data....
[21:13] <TheSheep> Suxumuxu: there are two kinds of people, those who make backups and those who will be making backups
[21:14] <Suxumuxu> TheSheep, : I am probably ...the second one :P
[21:14] <Evropi> hahaha, true dat :)
[21:15] <Evropi> I have yet to use one of those cloud backup services
[21:15] <Evropi> they seem like such a pain in the ass to set up
[21:15] <TheSheep> Evropi: that sounds like an oxymoron
[21:15] <Evropi> Ubuntu One certainly was
[21:16] <Evropi> I closed my ubuntu one account, I couldn't figure out a good workflow
[21:16] <TheSheep> Evropi: you make a backup to know exactly where your data is, you put data in cloud to not know where it is
[21:16] <Evropi> it created a separate folder in /home IIRC
[21:16] <Evropi> lol
[21:16] <TheSheep> Evropi: you need a separate device that you keep in a separate building
[21:16] <Evropi> my own? Nah, too expensive and time consuming
[21:16] <TheSheep> (in case of fire or burglary)
[21:17] <Evropi> I would consider a remote service though
[21:17] <Evropi> assuming the price is reasonable
[21:17] <Evropi> ownCloud and Tonido seem to require too much of a fuss to set up
[21:18] <Evropi> though ownCloud is pretty cool I must admit and I've always liked KDE (until my ancient tower began finding it too heavy)
[21:18] <TheSheep> all the cloud services that I ever used were so far less reliable than my own laptop
[21:19] <TheSheep> but I might be a wrong example
[21:19] <Evropi> so how do you do your backups? I've always wanted an automated way to backup remotely
[21:19] <Evropi> inb4 rsync
[21:20] <TheSheep> I just tar it all to an external hard disk drive once a month, and keep it in a different location
[21:20] <TheSheep> but I don't have that much data
[21:21] <TheSheep> about 60GB compressed, maybe
[21:21] <Evropi> that's a LOT of data
[21:21] <Evropi> also, tarballs don't compress files
[21:21] <TheSheep> tar gz
[21:21] <Evropi> ah
[21:21] <Evropi> bz2 is better
[21:21] <TheSheep> (I should be using bz2 but old habits)
[21:21] <TheSheep> yeah
[21:21] <Evropi> ha
[21:22] <TheSheep> anyways, an usb hdd is peanuts, and you only pay for it once
[21:22] <TheSheep> it doesn't need to be fast
[21:22] <martinphone> a restart has been lagging in my laptop for 6 hours, can that be a problem? are restart updates supossed to be restarted within seconds or minutes since the notification?
[21:23] <TheSheep> martinphone: restart updates?
[21:23] <martinphone> updates that require a restart TheDrums eS
[21:23] <martinphone> updates that require a restart TheSheep
[21:24] <Unit193> I don't always, but I ignore those for days/weeks.
[21:24] <martinphone> o...
[21:25] <TheSheep> martinphone: it's not restarting, it's just telling you that you need to restart to use the things it updated
[21:25] <martinphone> how many days/weeks do you leave you machine on if you dont mind the question?
[21:25] <martinphone> ok
[21:25] <xubuntu567> hello
[21:26] <xubuntu567> can i set rss feed in xubuntu's panel?
[21:26] <xubuntu567> and it's possible to add pidgin and skype to startup in background?
[21:27] <Evropi> eh, I don't think Xfce has these facilities (it ain't no Plasma desktop)
[21:27] <Evropi> there should be some X11 apps for it though
[21:27] <TheSheep> xubuntu567: I don't know of a panel plugin that supports rss
[21:27] <TheSheep> xubuntu567: you can, see the 'sessions and startup' in settings
[21:29] <xubuntu567> i know that, but i don't know commads
[21:31] <TheSheep> xubuntu567: the commands are 'pidgin' and 'skype' respectively
[21:31] <Quelp> I already asked a few hours ago, but unfortunately no one could answered my Question so try it again ;) Have anyone found a way to use the indicator-messages within 12.10? I've already tried to use the precise packages, but it complains about missing libraries (libxfce4util.so.4, libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3).. Symlinking them doesnt work either: "undefined symbol: xfce_panel_plugin_provider_set_orientation"
[21:32] <TheSheep> Quelp: I guess you would need to compile them for the new xfce4 versiob
[21:32] <TheSheep> version
[21:33] <Unit193> Quelp: Install indicator-messages_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb indicator-messages-gtk2_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb indicator-status-provider-mc5_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb indicator-status-provider-pidgin_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb libindicator-messages-status-provider1_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  to have all that precise did.
[21:33] <Unit193> Though, compiling may be better.
[21:34] <Quelp> Unit193: This are the packages i have tried, but the amd64 versions of them. Does this make a difference?
[21:35] <Unit193> If you have 64bit, that's what you should use.  Not had a 64bit Xubuntu.
[21:36] <Quelp> Okay thanks. I'll try it again
[21:37] <Unit193> I did sudo dpkg -i *.deb  (with those being the only ones in the dir)
[21:37] <Quelp> Ah, so i should take xfce4-indicator-plugin from the quantal repo?
[21:39] <jamin> near as I can tell, Xubuntu 12.10 uses gnome-disks as it's preferred disk manipulation tool (via Settings).  Which appears to use udisks2 behind the scenes.  However, it appears that policy kit authorizations were not created
[21:43] <jamin> of the possible actions it appears that local admins are only authorized for two: org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount-system and org.freedesktop.udisks2.encrypted-unlock-system
[21:43] <Evropi> weird, I thought Ubuntu had completed the /bin and /usr/bin merge?
[21:44] <jamin> make that three..
[21:45] <Quelp> Yep, with the quantal version of xfce4-indicator-plugin it works :)
[21:59] <jrzabott> good evening everybody...
[21:59] <jrzabott> Can anyone help?
[22:01] <jrzabott> I have an fresh Kubuntu installed... I'd like to install xfce... but 500Mb seems to much to spend with it... May I install it in another manner than: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[22:36] <holstein> jrzabott: xubuntu-desktop will get you just that... the xubuntu desktop, which is XFCE and more
[22:36] <holstein> jrzabott: you can just install xfce if you want
[22:39] <jrzabott> holstein: I am already googling that... but.. I can't figure out how...
[22:41] <jrzabott> holstein: i'm looking in muon package manager, but still understand how... I'm feeling a little stupid. lol... The answer seems so close and easy and I can't grab it.
[22:42] <holstein> jrzabott: you can open the package manager of your choice and search xfce
[22:42] <holstein> !xfce
[22:43] <Evropi> lol
[22:43] <holstein> *instead* is a key word there... you should read about the changes that are about to happen to kubuntu
[22:43] <jrzabott> thankx ubottu , but i'm trying to avoid the additional 300Mb
[22:43] <holstein> jrzabott: you will take on extra packages.. you have no gtk libs'
[22:43] <jrzabott> holstein: get it... 'a bit'.
[22:43] <holstein> jrzabott: not really.. you'll need a lot
[22:44] <holstein> jrzabott: its just like if i wanted KDE..i would have to take on all hte necessary packages to run the desktop... and i have none installed
[22:45] <holstein> jrzabott: thats why i suggest just installing xfce
[22:45] <jrzabott> holstein: Yes... I understand that... And i am 'researching' some light window manager to use in my old notebook, to make is faster...
[22:45] <holstein> jrzabott: you can always try them live.. then you dont have to change your system unecessarily
[22:46] <jrzabott> Kubuntu was the best choice until today, when i saw Lubuntu running... Man... that was really fast.
[22:46] <holstein> lubuntu is LXDE... sudo apt-get install lxde
[22:47] <jrzabott> Yes... but i'm like to try both...
[22:47] <holstein> jrzabott: sure.. and you'll need to install a lot of GTK stuff for either
[22:47] <jrzabott> and the 'logic' in xcfe must be very close do lxde
[22:48] <holstein> jrzabott: they are just different options... i dont think anyone will argue LXDE is lighter... i find it easier and less hassle to just install LXDE, sudo apt-get install lxde
[22:48] <jrzabott> just that?
[22:49] <holstein> that would be a nice thing to try on the way to installing either xubuntu-desktop or xfce4
[22:49] <Unit193> Or lubuntu-core.
[22:49] <jrzabott> holstein: i've heard about 'mate' too...
[22:49] <Unit193> xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[22:49] <holstein> jrzabott: ?.. you ask for the main package, and it will pull in what it needs.. mate is not in the repos
[22:49] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~amanas/+archive/mate-desktop
[22:50] <holstein> i would install xfce4 as Unit193 has suggested, or lxde
[22:50] <jrzabott> Unit193: thank you... Is it like holstein  just mentioned? Just installs what is needed to 'run' ?
[22:51] <holstein> jrzabott: you dont need to pull in or specifiy anything else.. you say "install lxde" and the package manager manages what packages need installed
[22:51] <jrzabott> holstein: I'll try both... But I couldn't find any reference to just install XFCE or LDXEç... only 'l(x)ubuntu-desktop'...
[22:51] <holstein> jrzabott: im still not sure where or how you are searching
[22:52] <holstein> jrzabott: i would open a terminal and type "apt-cache search xfce" or "apt-cache search lxde"
[22:52] <jrzabott> google: install XFCE on ubuntu
[22:52] <holstein> or install/open synaptic, and search there.. or try the software center... or another package manager
[22:53] <jrzabott> I get... holstein  thanks... and thanks Unit193  too. =)
[22:53] <jrzabott> i'l looking in muon package manager.
[22:53] <jrzabott> right now
[22:53] <holstein> http://www.techlw.com/2012/02/install-xfce-desktop-environment-on.html is the first that comes up for me in a google search, and suggests what Unit193 suggested
[22:53] <holstein> i would do the --no-install-recommends option
[22:54] <holstein> http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-xfce-desktop suggests "sudo apt-get install xfce4" as i suggested
[22:55] <jrzabott> ok... I was looking for xubuntu or lubuntu.... my bad...
[22:55] <jrzabott> i'm sorry7... i saw right now on my google tab.
[22:56] <jrzabott> i'll install both right now... soon as wine finishes installing.
[22:56] <holstein> you wont be able to install xubuntu in ubuntu.. you would convert ubuntu to xubuntu by installing xubntu-desktop or xfce4.. could have just been the jargon
[22:56] <jrzabott> =)
[22:57] <jrzabott> Lets see if I understood that... When I type in terminal... sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop... i'm now installing a window manager, i'm caonverting an entire contructed system to another?
[22:57] <jrzabott> is it something like that?
[22:57] <jrzabott> *.. i'm not installing...
[22:58] <jrzabott> The 'right command', cut from 500Mb to use down to 70Mb. lol
[22:59] <holstein> jrzabott: i would run "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[22:59] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu with the lxde desktop, but lubuntu is not the same as just ubuntu with lxde installed.. though very similar
[23:00] <holstein> if you say "install lubuntu-desktop", you might get parts of kubuntu removed... thats why Unit193 suggested --no-intall-recommends for the xubuntu-desktop install
[23:00] <Unit193> Sure.
[23:00] <holstein> if you just want to add lxde,, you just install lxde... not the lubuntu desktop, which is a lot more than just lxde
[23:01] <jrzabott> Ok, i'll do that. =)
[23:01] <jrzabott> holstein: ok. I'll read a little bit more, dig deeper... I really appreciate your  ( holstein )good will , and yours Unit193 . =)
[23:02] <holstein> jrzabott: its challening to have more that on *-desktop installed.. since it includes the login manager and all that
[23:02] <jrzabott> see ya soon, to ask a little more about lsde, like how to increse the icon in the taskbar,.
[23:02] <jrzabott> lol
[23:02] <holstein> jrzabott: theres a #lubuntu channel too :)
[23:02] <holstein> enjoy
[23:02] <jrzabott> lightdm can hnadle it, right?
[23:02] <jrzabott> sorry... Xfce
[23:03] <jrzabott> hahahaah
[23:03] <holstein> its not an issue of "handling it"... you said you wanted to add xfce to your kubuntu install.. what you have done could remove KDE and kubuntu-desktop, changing your install more than what i understood you wanted to
[23:04] <Unit193> If you just install xfce4, may want to install xubuntu-default-settings or xubuntu-artwork to get a little more of a feel what Xubuntu would be like.
[23:04] <holstein> also, just trying the live CD's til you are sure...
[23:05] <jrzabott> yes... I just want too add xfce and lxde
[23:05] <jrzabott> not change the 'kubuntu'... that is working very fine until now.
[23:06] <jrzabott> i can't count on a live CD in my old notebook. lol
[23:06] <holstein> jrzabott: installing lubuntu-desktop could change that... i would just insatll lxde
[23:06] <jrzabott> this is what i'll after all the good advices =)
[23:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde ..or sudo apt-get install xfce4
[23:07] <jrzabott> So just to make sure... sudo apt-get install xfcew4 --no-install-recommended
[23:07] <holstein> its not the end of the world to go "oops" and install kubuntu-desktop.. but i would look at what is being installed and removed when you say what you are doing
[23:08] <holstein> jrzabott: xfce4 is *not* xubuntu-desktop.. xfce4 is just xfce4
[23:08] <jrzabott> ok... for (l or x)ubuntu-desktop i would do --no-recomm...
[23:08] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends is what Unit193 suggested to get the xubuntu desktop without changing your kubuntu install
[23:08] <jrzabott> and just for the amanger sudo apt-get install 'desired package'
[23:09] <holstein> i personally havent used that --no-install-recommends command, though i trust Unit193 implicitly
[23:09] <jrzabott> ok...
[23:10] <jrzabott> But I can't figure out... what is best...
[23:10] <jrzabott> xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop --no-reco...
[23:10] <holstein> jrzabott: best is a matter of opinion... xfce4 is just xfce4... xubuntu-desktop is the xubuntu desktop.. depends on what you want
[23:10] <jrzabott> not best... but more likelly  to not harm my kubuntu install
[23:11] <jrzabott> and my 'defaults configs' and etc.
[23:12] <holstein> jrzabott: neither will "harm" anything.. just might remove it.. everything is open and fixable... if you are afraid you'll break something, try them live or in virtualization... or just add the xfce4 package
[23:12] <holstein> jrzabott: no "configs" in the /home directory should be affected
[23:13] <jrzabott> I used before, Ubuntu with unity. i've installed "kubuntu-desktop". and everything in kde and unity was not like it was once before...
[23:13] <jrzabott> was a real mess.
[23:13] <jrzabott> the standard programs do pdf, file manager, IM client.
[23:13] <jrzabott> even managing devices was messy
[23:14] <jrzabott> this is why I've cleaned the mess up and installed kubuntu (that fist best my needs until now)
[23:15] <holstein> jrzabott: thats the reason i suggest just installing xfce4... or lxde... i know sudo apt-get install lxde is pretty easy on the system, and a good place to start
[23:15] <holstein> jrzabott: default application selection is part of the fun though
[23:17] <jrzabott> of course... but realizes that I openen pdf with document viewer from firefox,  but when through file manager open in okular
[23:17] <jrzabott> holstein: I was really obsessed...
[23:20] <jrzabott> holstein: this is just an example... there was lots of activities.
[23:20] <jrzabott> but this is it... I will install at first the 'managers' then... the -desktops
[23:21] <jrzabott> thanks everybody... sorry for the slowness  ^^
[23:21] <jrzabott> good night 4 ya all from Brazil.
[23:22] <xubuntu476> allo