apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: I propose that we stop shipping kubuntu netbook on accounts of plasma netbook being broken beyond belief00:08
ScottKExcept for the plasmoid thing it works fine ehre.00:10
apacheloggeryou don't see it being shit because of the plasmoid thing00:11
apacheloggerso I made it draw the plasmoid00:11
apacheloggerturns out the entire 'page' is not rendering correctly/spacing/whatever00:11
apacheloggerregardless of what plasmoid you put into the default page it ends up broken in the most ludicrous ways00:11
ScottKMaybe amputate that part of the activity then.00:11
ScottKThe search and launch part works fine.00:12
afiestasguess issues are reported?00:12
apacheloggerScottK: plasma-desktop with panel ontop = -netbook, no?00:13
apacheloggerwell, and SAL00:14
ScottKIs it?00:14
ScottKI think it's heavier, but I don't know.00:14
afiestasapachelogger: shrug means reported?00:14
apacheloggerafiestas: shrug means I am at the point where I don't give a shit which pile of shit causes shit to be broken00:15
apacheloggerit can be a) qt b) libplasma c) plasma-netbook00:15
apacheloggeractually it could also be the plasmoids, though that is unlikely00:15
apacheloggerALTHOUGH the page getting hung up on polygon splitting is probably the plasmoids/qts fault in that I suspect it to use bogus bounding rectangles and Qt not noticing it00:16
apacheloggerScottK: after first start...00:22
apacheloggerexcessive spacing between menu and sal00:23
apacheloggerweirdly sized icons00:23
apacheloggerit's like... the further you get to the right the bigger the icons are00:23
apacheloggerand that is actually what page one looks like with an unbroken opendesktop plasmoid00:24
apacheloggerthat is what the page is supposed to look like and actually looks like when I do manually *exactly* what the setup script does00:27
ScottKthat's about what it's supposed to look like.00:27
ScottKBTW, Knowledgebase one seems to suffer from spam.00:28
apacheloggernot the best of defaults if you ask me00:28
apacheloggerbut since it is broken anyway...00:28
apacheloggerScottK: oh and btw, from a pure memory perspective there is no difference between desktop and netbook00:30
apacheloggerthey have about the same effective mem footprint on the two machines here00:30
ScottKThere's non-common code.00:30
ScottKNo ides why.00:30
apacheloggerScottK: well, there is little logic in the shell to begin with00:31
apacheloggerall in libplasma or generic bits of workspace's plasma IIRC00:31
apacheloggerso from an I/O perspective only the plasmoids themselfs are concerning and -netbook does nothing about them anyway00:32
ScottKIsn't the panel different for netbook?00:33
ScottKMaybe that was it.00:33
apacheloggeroh well, nini00:37
ScottKapachelogger: Are you coming to UDS?00:45
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apacheloggerScottK: nope10:02
apacheloggerScottK: FWIW... while you cannot see the page one being broken because it is not loading because of the widget it appears the page is not broken because of the widget as such but because the page is broken10:41
apacheloggeri.e. if you add the community widget to a new page it will work with stock upstream code10:41
apacheloggerit is only the fact that layouting in page one is completely f'd that makes the widget then go bonkers and trigger calculations ad infinitum10:42
apacheloggeror not10:47
apacheloggeror not not10:47
Mamarokbtw folks, it would be really very useful to have debugging symbols for libgpod, is there a way to influence bug 898002 ?11:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 898002 in libgpod (Ubuntu) "No debug package for libgpod in 11.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89800211:31
apacheloggerhahah, this crap is way too confusing11:44
Mamarokapachelogger: :/11:48
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BluesKajHey all12:14
apacheloggerafiestas: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308750 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30874812:18
ubottuKDE bug 308750 in plasma-netbook "bogus icon sizing in panel" [Normal,New]12:18
ubottuKDE bug 308748 in plasma-netbook "Page One defunct" [Major,New]12:18
Mamarokwas about time I removed all those old kernels, I had 10 different ones installed apparently, starting from 3.5.0-9 or so13:11
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apacheloggerScottK: http://i.imgur.com/Kw8WN.png14:38
apacheloggerfixed it14:38
Riddellapachelogger: you got rid of the newspaper page?15:10
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ScottKRiddell: Apparently it's broken beyone recovery using plasma-netbook.16:28
RiddellScottK: plasma-netbook is broken beyond recovery or just the newspaper container is?16:58
yofelcan someone tell me (and the rest of the folks in #kubuntu) how one installs a language in quantal?17:00
yofeleither I'm doing something wrong or language-selector-kde is broken17:00
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JontheEchidnalanguage-selector was ported to python 3 -> pykde doesn't support python3 kcm modules17:06
JontheEchidna-> we ship a version of Kubuntu that cannot select languages17:06
shadeslayerhow did that go unnoticed?17:07
yofelcan we put a workaround wiki somewhere? Maybe I'll have some time to put something together later17:07
JontheEchidnabug 101362617:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1013626 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Quantal) "systemsettings crashed with ImportError in /usr/share/kde4/apps/language-selector/language-selector.py: No module named LanguageSelector.qt.QtLanguageSelector" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101362617:08
yofelJontheEchidna: you mean language-selector was ported to py3 _exclusively_?17:09
Riddellyofel: selcting a language in the kcm will install the language pack17:09
yofelRiddell: and if you don't even have a language to select? http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/42/1350837505-snapshot1.png17:10
shadeslayeryofel: that's a bit odd17:10
shadeslayerbecause I have this on precise : http://i.imgur.com/UZnIt.png17:10
Riddellyeah it should list every language17:11
yofelyeah, me too on quantal, but I have a shitload of packages installed here17:11
Riddellmaybe apt isn't updated?17:11
Riddellit just uses qapt17:11
yofelRiddell: I don't know, that screenshot if from joalland in #kubuntu17:16
* yofel needs to go, bbl17:16
apacheloggerRiddell: newpaper at least so a short term workaround would be to prevent cration of page one17:36
apacheloggerUser created stuff seems to work somewhat17:36
apacheloggerThough in general i found pn to be somewhat unstable once you start messing with things17:37
apacheloggerThen again i also manage to crash pd with stack corruptions...17:37
Riddellapachelogger: SRU to not create it?18:01
Riddellthat wouldn't help new installs though18:06
apacheloggerRiddell: unless they update at installation18:40
apacheloggerit is a start though18:40
apacheloggerdoesn't fix anything, but better than nothing IMHO18:40
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1069483] VLC freezes after pressing CTRL+I (media information) - Xorg uses whole memory @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1069483 (by Hannes Riedenbauer)18:47
BarkingFishevening guys :) Don't quite know how to make this request or where, but there is a package which needs to come out of Kubuntu before 13.04 is released - and that is Kino.18:50
BarkingFishI just filed a bug on it, since it's broken, and discovered that it's been completely unmaintained since 201018:51
BarkingFishFrom their tracker at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3136128&group_id=14103&atid=114103: "Does Kino play audio for you on other videos? If not, then that is your problem, and there are plenty of messages in the mailing list archive about that. Ultimately, though, I no longer maintain Kino and neither does anyone else." 18:57
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1069498] KWin shows tearing despite of VSync @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1069498 (by enteon ente)19:21
apacheloggerBarkingFish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing_Packages19:29
RiddellBarkingFish: kino has nothing to do with kubuntu team though19:29
BarkingFishRiddell, ok then - either way, I think it's about time it came off the mirrors :)19:37
BarkingFishand thanks for the link, apachelogger :)19:37
BarkingFishSince I'm not a dev, I'll go about this by putting a note out on the ubuntu devel mailing list, and seeing what others think about getting rid of it.  19:40
ScottKBarkingFish: You can file the bug asking for removal and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to get a dev to review.19:43
BarkingFishScottK, ok - i just tried to send it to the list mentioned on the page apachelogger linked me to, and it's been bounced (post by non-developer to moderated list) :)19:49
ScottKThat's just if you need help deciding.19:49
ScottKAlso it wouldn't have been rejected, it would have gone into the moderation queue.19:50
ScottK(which does get reviewed for ubuntu-devel.19:50
BarkingFishit did go into the queue, however, I've canceled it19:50
BarkingFishdone, filed as a bug, #106951419:58
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DarkwingThe Raring Ringtail?23:01

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