[00:08] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: I propose that we stop shipping kubuntu netbook on accounts of plasma netbook being broken beyond belief
[00:10] <ScottK> Well.
[00:10] <ScottK> Except for the plasmoid thing it works fine ehre.
[00:10] <ScottK> here
[00:11] <apachelogger> you don't see it being shit because of the plasmoid thing
[00:11] <apachelogger> so I made it draw the plasmoid
[00:11] <apachelogger> turns out the entire 'page' is not rendering correctly/spacing/whatever
[00:11] <apachelogger> regardless of what plasmoid you put into the default page it ends up broken in the most ludicrous ways
[00:11] <ScottK> Maybe amputate that part of the activity then.
[00:12] <ScottK> The search and launch part works fine.
[00:12] <afiestas> guess issues are reported?
[00:13] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: plasma-desktop with panel ontop = -netbook, no?
[00:14] <apachelogger> well, and SAL
[00:14] <ScottK> Is it?
[00:14] <ScottK> I think it's heavier, but I don't know.
[00:14] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:14] <afiestas> apachelogger: shrug means reported?
[00:15] <apachelogger> afiestas: shrug means I am at the point where I don't give a shit which pile of shit causes shit to be broken
[00:15] <apachelogger> it can be a) qt b) libplasma c) plasma-netbook
[00:15] <apachelogger> actually it could also be the plasmoids, though that is unlikely
[00:16] <apachelogger> ALTHOUGH the page getting hung up on polygon splitting is probably the plasmoids/qts fault in that I suspect it to use bogus bounding rectangles and Qt not noticing it
[00:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: after first start...
[00:22] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/If5Gj.png
[00:23] <apachelogger> excessive spacing between menu and sal
[00:23] <apachelogger> weirdly sized icons
[00:23] <apachelogger> it's like... the further you get to the right the bigger the icons are
[00:23] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/UfzlP.png
[00:24] <apachelogger> and that is actually what page one looks like with an unbroken opendesktop plasmoid
[00:27] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/rylLj.png
[00:27] <apachelogger> that is what the page is supposed to look like and actually looks like when I do manually *exactly* what the setup script does
[00:27] <ScottK> that's about what it's supposed to look like.
[00:28] <ScottK> BTW, Knowledgebase one seems to suffer from spam.
[00:28] <apachelogger> not the best of defaults if you ask me
[00:28] <apachelogger> but since it is broken anyway...
[00:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh and btw, from a pure memory perspective there is no difference between desktop and netbook
[00:30] <apachelogger> they have about the same effective mem footprint on the two machines here
[00:30] <ScottK> There's non-common code.
[00:30] <ScottK> No ides why.
[00:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, there is little logic in the shell to begin with
[00:31] <apachelogger> all in libplasma or generic bits of workspace's plasma IIRC
[00:32] <apachelogger> so from an I/O perspective only the plasmoids themselfs are concerning and -netbook does nothing about them anyway
[00:33] <ScottK> Isn't the panel different for netbook?
[00:33] <ScottK> Maybe that was it.
[00:33] <apachelogger> slightly
[00:37] <apachelogger> oh well, nini
[00:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you coming to UDS?
[10:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: nope
[10:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: FWIW... while you cannot see the page one being broken because it is not loading because of the widget it appears the page is not broken because of the widget as such but because the page is broken
[10:41] <apachelogger> i.e. if you add the community widget to a new page it will work with stock upstream code
[10:42] <apachelogger> it is only the fact that layouting in page one is completely f'd that makes the widget then go bonkers and trigger calculations ad infinitum
[10:47] <apachelogger> or not
[10:47] <apachelogger> or not not
[11:31] <Mamarok> btw folks, it would be really very useful to have debugging symbols for libgpod, is there a way to influence bug 898002 ?
[11:39] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages
[11:44] <apachelogger> hahah, this crap is way too confusing
[11:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: :/
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:18] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308750 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308748
[13:11] <Mamarok> was about time I removed all those old kernels, I had 10 different ones installed apparently, starting from 3.5.0-9 or so
[14:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://i.imgur.com/Kw8WN.png
[14:38] <apachelogger> fixed it
[15:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: you got rid of the newspaper page?
[16:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Apparently it's broken beyone recovery using plasma-netbook.
[16:58] <Riddell> ScottK: plasma-netbook is broken beyond recovery or just the newspaper container is?
[17:00] <yofel> can someone tell me (and the rest of the folks in #kubuntu) how one installs a language in quantal?
[17:00] <yofel> either I'm doing something wrong or language-selector-kde is broken
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> language-selector was ported to python 3 -> pykde doesn't support python3 kcm modules
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> -> we ship a version of Kubuntu that cannot select languages
[17:07] <yofel> ouch
[17:07] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:07] <shadeslayer> how did that go unnoticed?
[17:07] <yofel> can we put a workaround wiki somewhere? Maybe I'll have some time to put something together later
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> bug 1013626
[17:09] <yofel> JontheEchidna: you mean language-selector was ported to py3 _exclusively_?
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> yep
[17:09] <yofel> wth
[17:09] <Riddell> yofel: selcting a language in the kcm will install the language pack
[17:10] <yofel> Riddell: and if you don't even have a language to select? http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/42/1350837505-snapshot1.png
[17:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's a bit odd
[17:10] <shadeslayer> because I have this on precise : http://i.imgur.com/UZnIt.png
[17:11] <Riddell> yeah it should list every language
[17:11] <yofel> yeah, me too on quantal, but I have a shitload of packages installed here
[17:11] <Riddell> maybe apt isn't updated?
[17:11] <Riddell> it just uses qapt
[17:16] <yofel> Riddell: I don't know, that screenshot if from joalland in #kubuntu
[17:16]  * yofel needs to go, bbl
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: newpaper at least so a short term workaround would be to prevent cration of page one
[17:36] <apachelogger> User created stuff seems to work somewhat
[17:37] <apachelogger> Though in general i found pn to be somewhat unstable once you start messing with things
[17:37] <apachelogger> Then again i also manage to crash pd with stack corruptions...
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: SRU to not create it?
[18:06] <Riddell> that wouldn't help new installs though
[18:06] <yofel> re
[18:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: unless they update at installation
[18:40] <apachelogger> it is a start though
[18:40] <apachelogger> doesn't fix anything, but better than nothing IMHO
[18:47] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1069483] VLC freezes after pressing CTRL+I (media information) - Xorg uses whole memory @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1069483 (by Hannes Riedenbauer)
[18:50] <BarkingFish> evening guys :) Don't quite know how to make this request or where, but there is a package which needs to come out of Kubuntu before 13.04 is released - and that is Kino.
[18:51] <BarkingFish> I just filed a bug on it, since it's broken, and discovered that it's been completely unmaintained since 2010
[18:57] <BarkingFish> From their tracker at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3136128&group_id=14103&atid=114103: "Does Kino play audio for you on other videos? If not, then that is your problem, and there are plenty of messages in the mailing list archive about that. Ultimately, though, I no longer maintain Kino and neither does anyone else." 
[19:21] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1069498] KWin shows tearing despite of VSync @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1069498 (by enteon ente)
[19:29] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing_Packages
[19:29] <Riddell> BarkingFish: kino has nothing to do with kubuntu team though
[19:37] <BarkingFish> Riddell, ok then - either way, I think it's about time it came off the mirrors :)
[19:37] <BarkingFish> and thanks for the link, apachelogger :)
[19:40] <BarkingFish> Since I'm not a dev, I'll go about this by putting a note out on the ubuntu devel mailing list, and seeing what others think about getting rid of it.  
[19:43] <ScottK> BarkingFish: You can file the bug asking for removal and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to get a dev to review.
[19:49] <BarkingFish> ScottK, ok - i just tried to send it to the list mentioned on the page apachelogger linked me to, and it's been bounced (post by non-developer to moderated list) :)
[19:49] <ScottK> That's just if you need help deciding.
[19:50] <ScottK> Also it wouldn't have been rejected, it would have gone into the moderation queue.
[19:50] <ScottK> (which does get reviewed for ubuntu-devel.
[19:50] <BarkingFish> it did go into the queue, however, I've canceled it
[19:58] <BarkingFish> done, filed as a bug, #1069514
[23:01] <Darkwing> The Raring Ringtail?