[00:24] <nfs1mw> can we install kubuntu12.10 to an existing lvm partition??
[00:41] <Guest99027> Kubuntu / Romney 2016
[01:34] <ScottyK> Greetings! I borked my upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 tonight. When it rebooted, it's stuck at "Checking Battery State". How can I get a command prompt to fix the broken packages? Thanks!
[04:09] <HackerII> why doesnt 12.10 have kde-compiz  ??
[05:17] <G__81> I have been using KDE as such. I tried Kubuntu and just does not work in my laptop. It boots and it logs in too. The system is completely unusable. I have to wait for 2-3 mts for the start menu to appear
[05:17] <G__81> i am not even able to log out
[05:18] <G__81> my laptop is not the latest one in terms of hw specs but fedora's kde works absolutely fine and hence i dont think its a KDE problem as such
[07:05] <G__81> hi
[08:38] <WalterN> hmm... booting off of the live 12.10 CD
[08:39] <WalterN> serious video issues :-/
[08:39] <WalterN> lets see what logs say
[08:40] <WalterN> ...log viewer does not want to launch? meh
[08:41] <WalterN> and I never can remember where the logs are kept... isnt it /etc/logs or var/logs or something?
[08:41] <WalterN> var/log :3
[08:44] <WalterN> oOo... found something
[08:44] <WalterN> anyone know about AMD 6000 series video driver trouble shooting?
[08:46] <WalterN> http://pastebin.com/ZJhaP7hD
[08:47] <WalterN> lets see if there are any other errors
[08:48] <WalterN> actually, yeah...
[08:49] <WalterN> http://pastebin.com/kZnPCWxQ
[10:00] <toumbo> Guys, what is the ligin password on Livecd;
[10:00] <toumbo> λογιν
[10:00] <toumbo> login
[10:01] <roberto> ciao
[10:10] <WalterN> so does somebody feel like assisting an issue with the AMD radeon HD6870 video card? :3
[10:11] <WalterN> the video is fine if the screens are mirrored or only one turned on. but if two or all three are turned on its extremely sluggish
[10:48] <PasNox> Hi
[10:48] <PasNox> i'm trying to build qt5 git and i got: gstreamer-interfaces-0.10
[10:48] <PasNox> i can't find this package, any hint ?
[10:49] <PasNox> the only partial thing i can found is: libgstreamer-interfaces-perl
[11:40] <azm> wowo kubuntu is awesome
[11:40] <azm> so much better since the new gnome thing
[11:41] <azm> ..because its still same
[11:56] <adminn> fonts in kde looks ugly, how to make them look like in unity?
[11:57] <Tm_T> adminn: could you be more specific how they do look ugly? jagged edges? or too smooth edges?
[11:58] <adminn> Tm_T: jagged edges
[11:59] <Tm_T> adminn: go to system settings -> application appearance -> fonts and review your antialiasing settings
[12:11] <BlackImagination> Salut. =)
[12:11] <BlackImagination> Fr ?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:23] <natman> Hi, Just upgraded from Kubuntu 12.04 to 12.10. When i click shutdown the computer frezzes at the grey screen with the Kubuntu logo, if i click restart there is no problem
[12:28] <BluesKaj> natman , best to logout then choose shutdown
[12:30] <natman> BluesKaj: ill have to do that from now on? hitting shutdown has worked always before
[12:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, I've had a similar problem , when choosing shutdown , theonly option is  "suspend to ram"
[12:32] <natman> BluesKaj:  eek must admit kinda dissapointed :(
[12:34] <BluesKaj> it's a minor issue to me ...I'm used to glitches since I do lot of testing , and I'm sure it will fixed soon , you can file bug if you want , natman
[12:34] <natman> BluesKaj:  ya think i will  mind if i ask you a few other things?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> ok , I'll help if I can , natman
[12:35] <natman> BluesKaj:  did my upgrade, so i still seem to have Kopete/Quassle/etc.. am i best to get rid of them in favor of Telepathy/Konversation?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> dunno about telepathy , i found terribly buggy when trying to open an irc acct , konverstaion is my fav irc client and is solid and easy to setup , quassel is also quite good
[12:40] <natman> cool, ya Kopete does what i need it to do, might wait till Telepathy is 1.0 at least :) thanks for the advice BluesKaj
[12:43] <BluesKaj> kopete is still solid from all reports , I haven't used it in a while personally
[12:45] <natman> where do i go to submit a kubuntu bug?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> !bug
[12:48] <BluesKaj> natman, ^
[13:18] <ptomblin> Hey, I just saw that same thing with the weird scrambled eggs in the location bar in Google Chrome like that other guy was complaining about yesterday.  I changed to a different tab and back again and it was gone, though.
[13:20] <Guest62675> hey, i want to make switching desktops in KDE 'totally', i mean with panel bar also.Is this possible?
[13:21] <ciomcia> hey, i want to make switching desktops in KDE 'totally', i mean with panel bar also.Is this possible?
[13:34] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[13:39] <phoenix_firebrd> system crashes at cold boot before login screen, I could only reset the system to reboot, using nvidia proprietary drivers.  I have logs of lightdm -greeter and kernel
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can we workaround this bug by creating the missing directory?
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1064061
[13:52]  * yofel notes that he doesn't have a /usr/share/lightdm/remote-sessions directory on his system and it works fine
[13:53] <yofel> maybe just affects the gtk greeter?
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: No i say that it affects the kde greeter too, I can see the same message from the greeter log
[13:59] <yofel> sry, I don't know anything about that, and don't have time for debugging now
[13:59] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[14:00] <Guest1111> guys know any good games for linux?
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: free or commercial?
[14:00] <Guest1111> free
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: what category?
[14:01] <Guest1111> action or rpg or strategy
[14:02] <Guest1111> is there a blog or a website where u can get info for kubuntu's latest games or softwares?
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: for strategy try 0AD ,  for fps try quake wars enemy territory
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: these games are not available in the repository
[14:03] <Guest1111> phoenix_firebrd: okie dokie thanks a ton :)
[14:03] <Guest1111> oh
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: enjoy
[14:03] <Guest1111> then will i have to download them from net?
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: ya
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: do you only want the one from the repos?
[14:04] <Guest1111> no its fine
[14:04] <Guest1111> i'll download from net
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: its because those are better in graphics
[14:04] <Guest1111> oh ok
[14:04] <Guest1111> well once again thanks a ton
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest1111: yw
[14:13] <andreas> hey guys  i got a problem with Pulse + Audacity .... since the last reboot i cant record the audio output of anyprograms... can u help me ?
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: I can try
[14:17] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: did you check in the alsamixer if the mic or linein whichever you are using is not muted?
[14:20] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: is the recording source is properly set in phonon settings?
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: not working means?
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: there is no kmix running?
[14:24] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: start it from the konsole and see if you get any error messages
[14:25] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: that is ok, any other?
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: kmix doesn't cause your problem, also it would be better if you converse here instead of pm
[14:27] <andreas> k :)
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: did you try all the devices as recording source in audacity
[14:28] <andreas> every single device
[14:28] <andreas> none of them worked
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: what is your sound card?
[14:30] <andreas> just a simple onboard soundcard .. do you need the full name ?
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: can you paste a screenshot of the alsamixer showing all the channels
[14:31] <andreas> i ll try
[14:35] <andreas> file:///home/andreas/Bildschirmfoto2.png
[14:35] <andreas> ups sry^^
[14:39] <andreas> haa it works!!
[14:41] <andreas> for some reason there were 2 entries of my soundcard in alsamixer , a clone or something ... one is still not working the other works
[14:41] <andreas> thank u very much phoenix_firebrd
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: great
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> andreas: yw
[15:02] <yves____> Hi, can anybody help me, I'm on kubuntu 12.10 since yesterday and now suddenly my sound stopped working....
[15:08] <kroson> Hello, is it possible to install the ubuntu software center in kubuntu, without bringing with it its whole bunch of gtk dependencies? thanks
[15:09] <Tm_T> kroson: those dependencies exist because they're needed, I would say. (:
[15:10] <BluesKaj> kroson, I use synaptic , it brings a few gtk libs but I can live with that ..IMO synaptic is superior
[15:11] <BluesKaj> what's wrong with muon kroson , it seems to be working ok
[15:12] <OerHeks> .. unless you want the paid games/apps, i presume
[15:13] <kroson> BluesKaj: its fine. Muon package manager is a good replacement for synaptic
[15:13] <BluesKaj> I still prefer synaptic :)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> I just use it as a reference mostly . and it's familiar ...new for new's sake doesn't make an app better IME
[15:25] <G__81> i am using Kubuntu 12.10 and when i do git clone i get the following message "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /run/user/new/keyring-Fd9j2E/pkcs11: No such file or directory
[15:25] <G__81> "
[15:25] <G__81> is there a solution to resolve this ?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> gnome-keyring ?
[15:29] <G__81> yes
[15:29] <BluesKaj> G__81, what app are using git for ?
[15:29] <G__81> what do i do to solve this ?
[15:30] <G__81> i just did git clone
[15:30] <G__81> though i have gitk git-gui installed
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ok , did git clone update the repository ok , previous to this error?
[15:36] <HackerII> hi BluesKaj
[15:36] <HackerII> i have one complaint against 12.10
[15:37] <HackerII> i cant find compiz-kde
[15:37] <G__81> BluesKaj, yes it did update the repo and i get this error
[15:38] <G__81> git clone https://github.com/xxxxx/xxxxx
[15:38] <G__81> Cloning into 'LinuxRouter'...
[15:38] <G__81> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /run/user/user/keyring-Fd9j2E/pkcs11: No such file or directory
[15:38] <G__81> remote: Counting objects: 402, done.
[15:38] <G__81> remote: Compressing objects: 100% (326/326), done.
[15:38] <G__81> remote: Total 402 (delta 113), reused 353 (delta 64)
[15:38] <G__81> Receiving objects: 100% (402/402), 664.99 KiB | 120 KiB/s, done.
[15:38] <FloodBotK1> G__81: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:38] <G__81> Resolving deltas: 100% (113/113), done.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> G__81, I'm asking if git clone worked without errors previously?
[15:52] <HackerII> BluesKaj>  what are the odds of me geting compizto work in 12.10
[15:56] <BluesKaj> HackerII, why compiz aren't desktop effects in system settings and Kwin enough for you ?
[15:57] <HackerII> it isnt in repositories
[15:57] <HackerII> compiz-kde
[15:57] <HackerII> kwin is too flakey
[16:02] <BluesKaj> really , desktop effects/kwin does everything compiz does except for a few fancy effects , but you can install compiz (metapackage) in kubuntu
[16:02] <BluesKaj> HackerII,^
[16:02] <HackerII> maybe i installed it wrong, thanks
[16:04] <BluesKaj> !compiz | HackerII
[16:04] <HackerII> nice
[16:04] <HackerII> thanks
[16:04] <BluesKaj> you will be installing a whole lot of gtk libs
[16:05] <HackerII> ya, i know
[16:05] <HackerII> its cool tho
[16:05] <OerHeks> The standard effects are good enough for me > sytem settings > desktop effects > [tab]  all effects > http://picpaste.com/pics/kdecompiz-JHZEucfg.1350835413.png
[16:06] <HackerII> dont get me wrong, kwin works ok, its just that ive used compiz for such a long time that its hard to change
[16:06] <HackerII> thanks for the tip BluesKaj , cya ltrs
[16:39] <joalland> hi
[16:39] <joalland> How could i change the language of my kubuntu ?
[16:40] <joalland> here is a screenshot
[16:40] <joalland> http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/42/1350837505-snapshot1.png
[16:40] <joalland> i can't find the button " add a new language"
[16:41] <joalland> as english is not my foreign language.
[16:41] <joalland> i'm running the 12.10 version
[16:47] <joalland> nobody ?
[16:48] <alexfpms> hi guys, how can i install new language under kubuntu ?
[16:48] <WalterN> is the channel sleeping?
[16:48] <alexfpms> think so
[16:49] <joalland> Hi alex, i'm already asking the question :p
[16:49] <alexfpms> lol
[16:51] <yofel> folks, please be patient, not all of us here spend sunday evening on a PC ;)
[16:51] <yofel> now...
[16:52] <WalterN> ...its sunday morning :P
[16:52] <WalterN> joalland: I was first... I asked last night :P
[16:53] <WalterN> at 4am, before I passed out... couldent sit here waiting for something to happen
[16:55] <WalterN> I suppose I could try installing a different window manager
[16:56] <maxstyvason> hey I have an issue, I used Ubuntu USB boot to make a USB bootable disk and it gets to the installation and it is really slow and hangs
[16:56] <maxstyvason> do you think Unetbootin would work better?
[16:57] <maxstyvason> I am re-downloading the ISO today if this doesn't work
[16:57] <alexfpms> joalland,  are're here ?
[16:57] <joalland> As i remember, on kubuntu 12.04 the button "add a new language" was present. Is that a "bug" of the latest version ?
[16:57] <alexfpms> joalland, try this apt-cache search kde-l10n-fr
[16:57] <alexfpms> joalland, try this: sudo apt-get install  kde-l10n-fr  i mean
[16:58] <maxstyvason> sudo apt-get install language-selector-kde
[16:59] <maxstyvason> Kubuntu is missing parts of KDE
[16:59] <maxstyvason> alternatively you can download the french iso
[17:00] <maxstyvason> Blue is working on the mess that Ubuntu made of Kubuntu
[17:00] <joalland> Ok thank's
[17:01] <joalland> In fact the french communauty only deserve a french iso of Ubuntu
[17:01] <maxstyvason> well I believe Kubuntu needs a new name
[17:01] <maxstyvason> not an ongoing joke because as of 12.10 it is it's own distribution now
[17:02] <joalland> A schisme between ubuntu, you mean?
[17:02] <maxstyvason> joalland, the main Ubuntu distribution has it's own french iso
[17:02] <maxstyvason> http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/
[17:02] <maxstyvason> but its Unity
[17:03] <joalland> yes i know.
[17:03] <joalland> I thaught you said an iso with ubuntu in french + KDE
[17:03] <WalterN> well... here comes my issue :P
[17:04] <maxstyvason> right install Ubuntu-fr, then sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop
[17:04] <WalterN> so... installed 12.10 and everything seems fine when my three displays are mirrored, or two of the three are turned off... but when running two or three screens video is extremely sluggish, and I get this nasty looking error in xorg.0.log   http://pastebin.com/1rxcHM5y
[17:04] <maxstyvason> it should simply install KDE in your localized language
[17:04] <maxstyvason> WalterN, are you running an nvidia card?
[17:05] <WalterN> no, open source AMD drivers
[17:05] <joalland> yes, it should work.
[17:05] <yofel> joalland, alexfpms: for now you'll probably best of installing 'kde-l10n-<language_code>' from muon
[17:05] <maxstyvason> right
[17:05] <yofel> something's wrong with the language settings in quantal o.O
[17:05] <maxstyvason> Blue is working on localizations
[17:05] <alexfpms> yofel, thanks
[17:06] <shadeslayer> *sigh*
[17:06] <maxstyvason> WalterN, ah http://askubuntu.com/questions/202574/desktop-does-not-show-when-i-installed-nvidia-drivers
[17:06] <yofel> well, there was some translation setup rework in Quantal. So maybe something got broken along the way
[17:06] <maxstyvason> MAKE SURE YOU INSTALL the Kernel
[17:06] <maxstyvason> idk why you have to
[17:06] <maxstyvason> but then re-install the amd drivers
[17:06] <WalterN> what? why.. I dont have an NVIDIA card...
[17:06] <maxstyvason> its not just an nvidia issue
[17:07] <maxstyvason> its cannonical being fucking retarded
[17:07] <WalterN> my video card is an AMD radeon HD6870
[17:07] <maxstyvason> I am getting a 7000 so I wont have such issues
[17:07] <maxstyvason> I cant wait for trinity
[17:07] <WalterN> oh, lets see
[17:07] <maxstyvason> it sucks I know
[17:07] <WalterN> wayland looks like it will be interesting
[17:08] <IdleOne> maxstyvason: please keep the language clean
[17:08] <maxstyvason> the kernel doesn't get pulled during the driver installation so it doesn't get fully compiled
[17:08] <maxstyvason> sorry IdleOne
[17:08] <maxstyvason> WalterN, as a developer of wayland it is still very early
[17:08] <maxstyvason> you should steer clear of it for a couple years
[17:08] <WalterN> hehe
[17:09] <WalterN> it still looks interesting
[17:09] <maxstyvason> its being heavily worked on but the fact remains, xorg has 30 years of development, this has 5
[17:09] <WalterN> does it incorporate ray tracing?
[17:09] <maxstyvason> its nowhere near ready or feature complete
[17:09] <maxstyvason> crudely
[17:09] <WalterN> thats... a lot cool
[17:10] <WalterN> kind of
[17:10] <maxstyvason> its very unstable
[17:10] <WalterN> sure
[17:10] <WalterN> so what am I looking at here?
[17:10] <maxstyvason> All the buzz is distributions looking to shed xorg
[17:10] <WalterN> oh, the closed source drivers... where is that?
[17:10] <maxstyvason> they generate it
[17:11] <maxstyvason> the closed source drivers should be in additional hardware
[17:12] <maxstyvason> clutter support is now complete, efl is complete, qt5 us fully supported
[17:12] <maxstyvason> we really won't have any focus on gtk
[17:12] <WalterN> dont see 'additional hardware' :-/
[17:12] <WalterN> hmm
[17:12] <maxstyvason> its supported but our focus is with KDE
[17:13] <maxstyvason> but it segfaults with x applications
[17:13] <maxstyvason> 99.999999% of Linux applications are x applications
[17:14] <maxstyvason> download the amd driver .run
[17:14] <maxstyvason> cd ~Downloads
[17:14] <WalterN> oh, its in the software sources area
[17:14] <maxstyvason> chmod 777 "file.run" where filename is the file
[17:15] <maxstyvason> yes
[17:15] <maxstyvason> if its not there you need to install it manually
[17:15] <maxstyvason> chmod 777 "file.run"
[17:15] <maxstyvason> sudo -su
[17:15] <WalterN> hmm
[17:15] <maxstyvason> ./ file.run
[17:15] <alexfpms> maxstyvason, nope, linux is a kernel. X application are the graphical ones
[17:15] <WalterN> it says its using the Xorg opensource drivers...
[17:15] <maxstyvason> where "file" replace with amd driver name
[17:16] <maxstyvason> alexfpms, my point is valid
[17:16] <maxstyvason> stop being a dbag
[17:16] <maxstyvason> use closed source drivers but make sure you install linux headers
[17:16] <alexfpms> maxstyvason, but it is far from 99.99999%
[17:17] <maxstyvason> name 10 linux applications that are widely used that dont require xorg
[17:17] <maxstyvason> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[17:17] <maxstyvason> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[17:17] <maxstyvason> THEN install the drivers
[17:17] <maxstyvason> dont install them until afterwards
[17:18] <maxstyvason> for some reason they don't get pulled
[17:18] <alexfpms> maxstyvason, every terminal app don't use x at all
[17:18] <WalterN> erm... the closed source drivers.. meh
[17:18] <maxstyvason> alexfpms, I am unaware of terminal applications that desktop users will want and need
[17:18] <WalterN> I'm going to try a different window manager first
[17:18] <maxstyvason> dude its not KDE lmao
[17:18] <maxstyvason> but whatever waste your time
[17:19] <maxstyvason> if your drivers are fail, no amount of software driven DEs will fix graphics lag
[17:19] <alexfpms> maxstyvason, under linux most of GUI apps are juste the wrappers for the command line tools
[17:20] <maxstyvason> every graphics intensive application you try to run be it movies, flash videos, etc will be slow
[17:20] <maxstyvason> alexfpms, you still havent named me any
[17:20] <WalterN> flash seems to run fine
[17:20] <WalterN> all 2D stuff seems to run fine
[17:20] <maxstyvason> yes because your 3D driver sucks
[17:20] <maxstyvason> with trinity cards it doesnt suck
[17:20] <WalterN> sure
[17:21] <maxstyvason> but you NEED fglrx
[17:21] <maxstyvason> your card is the last FGLRX card
[17:21] <maxstyvason> everything after the 6000 series is trinity
[17:21] <maxstyvason> sell your card and get a 7k card
[17:21] <maxstyvason> if you NEED it to be FOSS
[17:22] <WalterN> s/need/prefer/
[17:22] <maxstyvason> right
[17:22] <maxstyvason> I am with you
[17:22] <maxstyvason> trinity oss support is superb
[17:22] <maxstyvason> amd couldnt legally release the source code of fglrx because of ties it has with other companies
[17:23] <maxstyvason> dnr and all
[17:23] <maxstyvason> hense the new chipset
[17:23] <WalterN> rlly
[17:23] <maxstyvason> why do you think torvalds is pissed at nvidia
[17:24] <WalterN> I think everyone is that has to do with video drivers and linux
[17:24] <maxstyvason> amd when releasing their new chip went open source and nvidia had the chance to but didnt
[17:24] <maxstyvason> amd's trinity chip on their 7k cards is smooth as ice with the oss trinity drivers
[17:25] <maxstyvason> check phoronix
[17:25] <maxstyvason> they made some serious benchmarks
[17:26] <maxstyvason> they had trinity on their processors and needed something on their graphics cards that wasnt tied down by licensing
[17:26] <maxstyvason> so they recycled trinity with their 7k cards
[17:27] <maxstyvason> im sitting on an nvidia card and the performance is sweet don't get me wrong
[17:27] <maxstyvason> but my next card will be amd
[17:29] <WalterN> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyOTI
[17:38] <edward___> hi guys, my filesystem is readonly... i cant startup... dunno what to do :(
[18:19] <bruce> anyone familiar with how to add a server on quassel?
[18:32] <monkeyhybrid> Bruce: File > Networks > Configure networks > Add
[18:38] <maxstyvason> dude just hooked a second monitor up to my computer and I can have 2 different desktop modes on each monitor
[18:38] <maxstyvason> thats so hot
[18:39] <maxstyvason> every oher os and DE can't do what KDE does
[18:43] <WalterN> so it was the unity window manager... its much happier now with Xfce :P
[18:44] <maxstyvason> WalterN: you didnt say you were on Unity
[18:44] <maxstyvason> I assumed you were on KDE
[18:44] <maxstyvason> no bro dont use Unity anything but Unity
[18:44] <WalterN> I dont really like KDE that much :-x
[18:44] <maxstyvason> have you seen what it can do with multiple displays?
[18:45] <maxstyvason> you can have seperate desktop modes on each individual display
[18:45] <maxstyvason> not to mention oob support for application stretching
[18:46] <maxstyvason> but because someone told you KDE was bad you can go on assuming forever that it is
[18:46] <WalterN> Kubuntu was my first linux install ever
[18:46] <WalterN> I just prefer the Xfce feel more :P
[18:47] <maxstyvason> also if you have multiple users, you can login on each display with different user accounts at the same time
[18:47] <maxstyvason> so go on using sub par DEs
[18:47] <WalterN> gnome2 was really nice... while it existed.. Xfce is basically like old gnome these days
[18:47] <maxstyvason> gnome 2 sucked
[18:47] <maxstyvason> gnome 2 treated its users like they were retarded
[18:48] <maxstyvason> same with unity and gnome shell
[18:48] <maxstyvason> minimize is too confusing
[18:48] <maxstyvason> want to create a launcher to an app on Unity? forget it
[18:49] <maxstyvason> any and all GTK des are simply sub par in terms of features and usability
[18:49] <maxstyvason> you should really try Kubuntu 12.10 with kde 4.9.2 even if off of a thumb drive
[18:50] <FlyingElvis> <loves kubuntu 12.10
[18:50] <FlyingElvis> it sure beats unity thats for sure
[18:50] <maxstyvason> or continue living oblivious, shit you should buy a mac if you like living the walled garden experience where they shun any sort of real innovation
[18:50] <maxstyvason> at least OS X works
[18:51] <maxstyvason> friends dont let friends use gnome
[18:52] <FlyingElvis> cmon kde+the cube(i dont care what ya say about it, it is eye candy that is helpful)
[18:52] <maxstyvason> FlyingElvis: its KDE, when KDE 5 comes out with Qt5, and Plasma Active 3, your mind will be completely blown
[18:52] <FlyingElvis> whens that gonna be
[18:52] <maxstyvason> soon
[18:53] <WalterN> compiz, at least in the past, basically didnt work because of video driver fail
[18:53] <maxstyvason> Plasma Active 3 was just released
[18:53] <FlyingElvis> next release cycle?
[18:53] <maxstyvason> Qt5 is done
[18:53] <WalterN> maybe its fine now
[18:53] <maxstyvason> Plasma Workspaces Platform 5 will be done by January
[18:54] <maxstyvason> which is the full KDE experience
[18:55] <maxstyvason> one thing I hope they work on next is removing libreoffice from Kubuntu
[18:55] <maxstyvason> Calligra is 100x better
[18:58] <WalterN> installing my happy program things
[18:58] <WalterN> like inkscape <3
[19:03] <FlyingElvis> calligra?  never heard of it...is it in the repos?
[19:04] <maxstyvason> yes
[19:04] <maxstyvason> its KDE's office suite
[19:04] <maxstyvason> krita is more advanced than gimp and everything
[19:05] <FlyingElvis> really....and why isnt it default...ok  ill check this out then
[19:05] <maxstyvason> because stupid Ubuntu devs didnt care about Kubuntu development and currently the development thing is "go with whats most popular"
[19:06] <kbroulik> is there a fix for the stupid mesa bugs in sight?
[19:06] <maxstyvason> they still dont want Kubuntu being developed because it makes Unity look bad
[19:06] <FlyingElvis> seriously...kubuntu is the shining version of buntu right now...that unity in 12.10 is just god awful
[19:07] <maxstyvason> not to mention it records your activity and actively uploads it to Amazon
[19:07] <maxstyvason> they are selling your info
[19:07] <maxstyvason> ;)
[19:07] <FlyingElvis> i about puked when i loaded up ubuntu 12.10 and saw that amazon launcher in the bar...and the ads in the hud didnt help either
[19:07] <oneadvent> maxstyvason: krita you say? i'm gonna look into it
[19:07] <maxstyvason> part of calligra
[19:07] <oneadvent> lol FlyingElvis me too!
[19:07] <maxstyvason> sudo apt-get install calligra
[19:07] <FlyingElvis> and that will get me the whole suite?
[19:07] <oneadvent> humph programs i didn't know i had
[19:08] <maxstyvason> yes
[19:10] <maxstyvason> its so much better than libreoffice in every way, kalc works with Microsoft Excel programmed things
[19:10] <maxstyvason> cant remember the damn wordf
[19:10] <maxstyvason> damn seizures
[19:10] <maxstyvason> I just had the word too
[19:11] <maxstyvason> where you create a thing that you can use over and over again for multiple purposes
[19:11] <maxstyvason> fuck whats that word
[19:11] <IdleOne> maxstyvason: Going to ask nice one more time. Please mind your language
[19:12] <maxstyvason> I would if I could remember words
[19:12] <IdleOne> This is not an optional, only watch it when you feel like it thing.
[19:12] <FlyingElvis> ok...libre is now uninstalled and calligra is installed
[19:12] <maxstyvason> macros
[19:12] <maxstyvason> man wow
[19:12] <maxstyvason> im having an off day
[19:13] <maxstyvason> you can use excel macros in calligra
[19:13] <maxstyvason> something libreoffice is still unable to do in all it's glory
[19:13] <maxstyvason> IdleOne: oh you meant cussing sorry
[19:13] <yofel> maxstyvason: calligra has some bugs and usability issues on it's own - Quantal has libreoffice as default as it's more tested. I have high hopes for calligra 2.6 though
[19:13] <maxstyvason> its more popular
[19:14] <maxstyvason> not necessarily better
[19:14] <maxstyvason> the bugs 2.5 has are minor and 2.6 is slated soon
[19:14] <yofel> it's what people are used to, and unless we have something considerably better it's not easy to get people to switch
[19:14] <oneadvent> i'm slowly making the switch to calligra, used to hate the interface but it has grown on me
[19:14] <FlyingElvis> i love amarok...so much better than rthymbox
[19:14] <maxstyvason> we are, it works with office documents oob
[19:14] <yofel> sure, 2.5 nice, but just not quite there yet
[19:15] <FlyingElvis> only beef i have with amarok is how it handles internet radio streams
[19:16] <oneadvent> i dont get its radio station thing. if it stops there is no "restart" option
[19:16] <maxstyvason> working with macros oob and having support for docx oob, and properly aligning office docs across the board (not just word) is enough to work with it
[19:16] <maxstyvason> ive never had the radio stop on me
[19:16] <maxstyvason> last.fm itself is crap
[19:17] <oneadvent> well i had internet go out on me one day and it took an act of congress to get the station back going
[19:17] <maxstyvason> but its plugin friendly so you can use anything out there
[19:17] <FlyingElvis> the streams themselves run fine for me...it is how hard it is to "save" them
[19:17] <maxstyvason> really? you couldnt restart the app?
[19:17] <maxstyvason> yeah I use a ripping app
[19:18] <oneadvent> i didn't want to lose the station though, so i didn't want to restart
[19:18] <maxstyvason> kaudiocreator
[19:18] <oneadvent> or *gasp* remember the name!
[19:18] <maxstyvason> right
[19:18] <maxstyvason> I have all mine written down and taped to my second mnonitor
[19:18] <FlyingElvis> my fave internet radio station is Venice Classical Radio Italia
[19:19] <maxstyvason> but kaudiocreator is nice for ripping talk shows
[19:19] <FlyingElvis> i have it playing right now
[19:19] <FlyingElvis> is there a website that lists all the kde programs?
[19:19] <FlyingElvis> im sorta new to kubuntu
[19:19] <oneadvent> kde-apps has some good links
[19:20] <maxstyvason> omg dude welcome to what you have been missing on Linux
[19:21] <maxstyvason> KDE has all the best apps
[19:21] <FlyingElvis> it is seeming that way
[19:22] <maxstyvason> I really dont understand why people continue working fruitlessly on gtk based desktops and apps
[19:22] <maxstyvason> kdenlive is almost as good as final cut
[19:22] <maxstyvason> not final cut pro but the basic version of final cut
[19:24] <TSK> kdenlive has improved DRASTICALLY since it's early days.  It's become an entirely worthy app these days.
[19:24] <maxstyvason> its better than final cut express sadly lol
[19:25] <oneadvent> ok been playing with krita, but i seem to be missing an export to pdf option, any ideas
[19:25] <oneadvent> nevermind
[19:25] <oneadvent> i just can't read apparently
[19:28] <TSK> Honestly, Linux in general has improved by leaps and bounds this past decade.  I find I don't even need Windows in a virtual machine anymore.  99.9% of what I ever need to do on a computer anymore comes in native Linux flavors, and what little does not runs fine in WINE.  :)
[19:28] <FlyingElvis> ^^
[19:28] <oneadvent> except ie testing :(
[19:28] <FlyingElvis> i dont have a computer in my house running windows
[19:28] <oneadvent> or a good msn client
[19:29] <FlyingElvis> wife and daughter both run ubuntu, i run kubuntu
[19:29] <oneadvent> trying to get my wife on kubuntu
[19:29] <TSK> I pretty much ignore IE these days.  If I create a website to standards and it don't display right in IE, I advise folk to upgrade to a modern browser.  ;)
[19:30] <oneadvent> that works if you are little stuff i gues TSK, but that wont work in the real world
[19:30] <oneadvent> you have to support it, sorry that is just reality
[19:30] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, everybody. Been a long time. :)
[19:31] <TSK> oneadvent: Actually, I've turned down web design jobs lately because folks insisted on modern web designs, then insisted on pixel perfect compatibility with IE6.
[19:31] <TSK> It's simply INSANE to expect that at any kinda realistic pay scale.
[19:31] <oneadvent> yea i'll agree ie6 support isn't needed.
[19:32] <oneadvent> but ie8 and ie9 is
[19:32] <WalterN> IE... should just die
[19:33] <TSK> I'm willing to work around the occasional bug in IE8 and 9 to get a site looking mostly proper, but I refuse to spend 90% of my development time using horrid hacks and other insanity in an attempt to achieve an impossibility for someone who totally misunderstands how the web works.
[19:33] <WalterN> it does not support SVG properly still
[19:33] <LINKSWORD2> Well, well.... darkwing....
[19:33] <LINKSWORD2> IE8 is OK, but I hate IE9.
[19:33] <LINKSWORD2> Agreed, WalterN
[19:33] <oneadvent> :D i'm not defending it, but it is reality
[19:33] <oneadvent> the problem is there is no way to test without virtual machines
[19:34] <oneadvent> so you can't webdev without virtual machines is the end of my story
[19:34] <WalterN> wine is not an emulator :P
[19:34] <LINKSWORD2> I personally support either Mozilla FF or Opera.
[19:34] <oneadvent> not even close on ie9 WalterN
[19:34] <TSK> WINE rules
[19:35] <oneadvent> wine has come a long way, was thinking of doing a talk about it sometime in our local lug
[19:35] <WalterN> firefox is great... I love having a bazillion tabs open with firefox.. typically keep ~50-60 open at all times :3
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> chrome :)
[19:35] <TSK> oneadvent: Actually, BTW, there are webservices that can test a web page
[19:35] <TSK> In a variety of browsers
[19:35] <WalterN> chrome still does not have tab grouping
[19:35] <oneadvent> not javascript errors TSK
[19:35] <oneadvent> and not the level of visual a true web guy needs
[19:36] <oneadvent> again if it is small time sure, but the site i work on is used by every single school in florida
[19:36] <TSK> Honestly I've never had troubles with javascript.  Mebbe I've just been lucky.  I tend to rely on jquery rather heavily tho.
[19:36] <oneadvent> think about that base
[19:36] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not impressed with Chrome. I actually don't like it.
[19:36] <oneadvent> +1 jquery, love it
[19:36] <LINKSWORD2> It's fast, yes, but it lacks so much.
[19:37] <oneadvent> eh i use chrome, i'm not a heavy USER on the net, just like maybe 10 different sites
[19:37] <TSK> I'ma huge Firefox fan personally.  Even use it on my Droid.
[19:38] <oneadvent> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=25
[19:38] <oneadvent> guess i could use ie3
[19:38] <oneadvent> lol
[19:38] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO
[19:38] <oneadvent> i use ff for dev stuff cause firebug is awesome but that is about it
[19:38] <TSK> Firebug IS awesome, no doubt about that
[19:39] <TSK> There's a lite version available for other browsers BTW.  :)
[19:39] <TSK> https://getfirebug.com/firebuglite
[19:40] <FlyingElvis> on firefox...for tab grouping...do you use that tab mix plus addon?
[19:40] <TSK> I personally use the built in Firefox tab grouping these days, tho I used to LOVE TabMix Plus at one time.
[19:43] <LINKSWORD2> That was fun. Connection died.
[19:45] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I have a bizarre question..
[19:47] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a Kubuntu ISO on a CD, and I need to build a bootable USB key for my friend's netbook.
[19:47] <LINKSWORD2> I have limited download speed, so I'm looking for any program available that could let me copy the image from the cd to the usb.
[19:48] <LINKSWORD2> Otherwise, I'd wind up spending 9 hours downloading a fresh installation of Kubuntu.
[19:48] <WalterN> what is this when I go to websites and stuff it says something like "would you like to install facebook messenger for quicker access"?
[19:49] <LINKSWORD2> One word for that: Spam.
[19:51] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: I would try to dd the CD contents onto the flash drive
[19:51] <BluesKaj> WalterN, that's not a kubuntu question , b ut if you don't want it don't click on it
[19:51] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: I'm not sure if that works though, never tried that
[19:51] <WalterN> I think its a firefox thing?
[19:51] <LINKSWORD2> yofel, how would I do that?
[19:51] <WalterN> not sure
[19:52] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: 'sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdb' - if sr0 is your CD drive, and sdb is your flash drive
[19:52] <yofel> just make sure that latter is really where you want
[19:52] <LINKSWORD2> I don't suppose I can do that if I'm running Kubuntu from the CD drive?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> WalterN, it's a facebook thing , that's one of the mozilla revenue creatores
[19:53] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: hm, should be possible as long as the drive still appears in /dev/
[19:53] <WalterN> BluesKaj: its not just facebook though, same kind of thing with youtube and one other one
[19:53] <BluesKaj> facebook pay firefox
[19:53] <BluesKaj> pays
[19:53] <LINKSWORD2> Hey BluesKaj :)
[19:53] <BluesKaj> hi LINKSWORD2
[19:54] <LINKSWORD2> yofel, if I can't do that, do you know any other way? (I do have Windows 7 on my pc.)
[19:54] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: if anything already mounted drives would be a problem, but as a CD is read-only anyway it should work
[19:54] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: well, try to image the CD (i.e. make an .iso out of it again) and then try unetbootin or how that's called
[19:55] <yofel> there's tools for windows to create cd images out in the net
[20:04] <Wizard> Hi.
[20:13] <reel> fhh
[20:18] <odomvut> how do I set up audio to play audio from firefox
[20:31] <lordievader> Good evening
[20:53] <faLUCE> hi, how can I install cedar trail drivers on my netbook? I followed the intel guide:  http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-033648.htm  but it gives me an error when I execute "patch –p1 < ../cdv-gfx-drivers-1.0.1_bee/src/kernel-ttm-clear-high.patch" (1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file –p1.rej) do you have any idea? thanks
[21:03] <odozutmv> how do I get output from a movie to play
[21:15] <Sector7> Hello everyone.
[21:16] <brisko125> Hi everyone !
[21:19] <brisko125> Not installed Kubuntu 12.10 yet but any experience / comment about upnp / dlna support within this new version ?
[21:30] <mparillo> I got a strange set of warnings on kdesudo that I never remembered seeing before: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1296175/
[21:30] <oneadvent> brisko125: i'm curious on this too
[21:33] <oneadvent> hey mparillo i tried it
[21:33] <oneadvent> http://paste2.org/p/2364138
[21:33] <oneadvent> no problems
[21:36] <mparillo> oneadvent: So you got similar warnings, but kdesudo seemed to work anyway? It did for me also. In Ubuntu Docs (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo) they warn you against simple sudo to run a graphical program from your Konsole.
[21:38] <oneadvent> yea kdesudo is the right way to do it, i dont think the errors are problems really though so long as it works
[21:40] <mparillo> Thank you, oneadvent. makes me feel a bit better. Do you think it is worth opening a bug in Launchpad for those warnings.
[21:40] <Snowhog> oneadvent: Normal when launching a gui app from the console with kdesudo.
[21:40] <oneadvent> http://paste2.org/p/2364160
[21:40] <oneadvent> without kdesudo
[21:40] <oneadvent> i would assume most of those errors come from kate running as root and not being setup right (cause root isn't configured as a user)
[21:42] <oneadvent> i don't really think it is a bug if it works. I bet if you signed in as root (enabled the account) and set up everything your errors would go away for the most part (like the second paste)
[21:43] <mparillo> OK, thank you again.
[21:43] <oneadvent> no problem, happy kde-ing mparillo
[21:46] <brisko125> oneadvent: in fact I was just wondering which version of libhupnp0 was packaged within 12.10
[21:47] <brisko125> oneadvent: not sure yet to leave lts...
[21:48] <oneadvent> i can check, gimme a few to figure out how brisko125
[21:49] <oneadvent> btw i went from 12.04 and have been ok, not sure i heard anyone else have problems
[21:50] <oneadvent> libupnp.so.6 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libupnp.so.6
[21:50] <oneadvent> does that look right?
[21:51] <oneadvent> (doesn't to me)
[21:51] <oneadvent> libgupnp-1.0.so.4 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libgupnp-1.0.so.4
[21:52] <oneadvent> hmmmm
[21:52] <brisko125> 1.0 seems good, I have 0.8 installed currently
[21:54] <brisko125> oneadvent: thanks, I'll definitively make the upgrade!
[21:54] <oneadvent> :D glad to help
[22:40] <mgottschlag> hey, anybody can help me with network problems in 12.10? dns is not working at all unless I put a different  dns server into /etc/resolv.conf
[22:40] <mgottschlag> not only with the updated installed kubuntu version, but right now also within the live cd session
[22:41] <mgottschlag> I am connecting to the internet via wlan, atheros chipset
[22:41] <oneadvent> so why not just have a different dns?
[22:42] <mgottschlag> I'd prefer to get my dns via NetworkManager/DHCP, especially when I am in a different environment like university with intranet nameserver etc :)
[22:42] <mgottschlag> that is how it always worked, now I need to enter a static IP there?
[22:44] <mgottschlag> I am seeing lots of forum posts in the internet with people complaining about 12.10, but no explanation anywhere, only some hints towards changes in how dns works now
[22:44] <oneadvent> i hear ya, just trying to figure out the problem/requirement mgottschlag. makes sense now. you could use something like opendns which works everywhere. I did not have those issues with my nm
[22:45] <oneadvent> maybe there is a problem pulling it for some reason on your routers side
[22:46] <mgottschlag> that is what I am looking into right now, let me restart the router, brb - it used to work 3 hours ago before I started the update though
[22:47] <mgottschlag> alright, seems to be resolved, wtf
[22:48] <oneadvent> :D sweet
[22:51] <mgottschlag> my router seems to have some known dns relay issues, and kubuntu was the victim of some seriously bad timing :)
[22:51] <mgottschlag> thx oneadvent
[22:56] <carter> help with a game?
[22:57] <oneadvent> whats up carter i'm on a roll today
[22:58] <carter> alright i just intalled a flight simulater off of the ubuntu store called flightgear and when i click it it wont open or anything
[22:58] <oneadvent> did you try the terminal
[22:59] <carter> what do i do in the terminal?
[22:59] <oneadvent> trying it here right now
[22:59] <oneadvent> should be able to type something like "flightgear" and get some useful information about why it wont work
[23:00] <carter> i just typed flightgear and it said bad command
[23:02] <oneadvent> sorry back and forth from the kitchen
[23:03] <oneadvent> i'm installing it, and i can tell you exactly when it is done but generally you can right click on the "k" and click edit applications, find the game in the menu on the left on and click on it, on the right it will tell you the command to use
[23:04] <carter> right click on what k?
[23:05] <oneadvent> the menu bar?
[23:05] <oneadvent> the "start menu"
[23:05] <carter> im not gonna lie im confussed on what k you r talking about
[23:06] <oneadvent> the "k" meant start menu
[23:07] <carter> ohh gotchya
[23:08] <oneadvent> idk, i say that with the wife cause she is a linux noob but i guess she sees things different, like visual vs kenetic learner or something
[23:09] <carter> aha i gotchya just let me know if yours opens or not
[23:11] <oneadvent> ok
[23:11] <oneadvent> one sec it just got done
[23:12] <carter> k
[23:12] <oneadvent> it opened up
[23:12] <carter> ugh why wont mine
[23:12] <oneadvent> fgfs
[23:12] <oneadvent> put that in terminal and give us the output
[23:13] <carter> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":1.0". Error: :1.0 has no GLX extension. Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":1.0". Error: :1.0 has no GLX extension.
[23:14] <oneadvent> no compiz i take it... what are you using for the nvidia drivers
[23:15] <carter> what do u mean using? i just know i have a nvidia driver
[23:16] <oneadvent> additional drivers
[23:16] <oneadvent> in the menu
[23:16] <oneadvent> (just search additional)
[23:16] <oneadvent> and see which one has a green dot
[23:17] <carter> where do i search at
[23:17] <oneadvent> in the start menu at the top
[23:18] <carter> under accesories
[23:19] <oneadvent> no
[23:20] <oneadvent> just click the start menu and start typing
[23:20] <oneadvent> applications -> settings
[23:21] <carter> im using linux 10.04 is that what you have?
[23:21] <oneadvent> nope, i'm all up to date at 12.10
[23:21] <oneadvent> so your results may vary
[23:22] <oneadvent> there is a lot to google about that error
[23:22] <carter> alright idk if im gonna even worry with it
[23:23] <cini> is there embedded firewall in kubuntu?
[23:24] <oneadvent> truly i would google it carter, you will probably find a lot of other good suggestions, but at bare minimum i'd investigate that driver thing
[23:24] <oneadvent> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[23:24] <oneadvent> make sure you are up to date.
[23:24] <oneadvent> and cini no i do not believe so
[23:26] <Snowhog> oneadvent: Kubuntu, like Ubuntu, comes with UFW (Ubuntu Firewall), but it isn't active by default.
[23:33] <oneadvent> Snowhog: alrighty, i just knew i never had to deal with it :D
[23:35] <Snowhog> oneadvent: Kubuntu is secure enough that it doesn't really need to be used.
[23:37] <oneadvent> well plus who doesn't have a router
[23:41] <BarkingFish> Morning guys.  Anyone know what the heck has happened to KDE, and why KDM no longer works when I use it as default DM please?
[23:42] <BarkingFish> LightDM's greeter sucks nuts, and I want to switch back to KDM. But - with KDM on, VLC doesn't work (no connection to pulseaudio, no xvideo available), and numerous other apps, including gimp and dragon video don't work either.
[23:49] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: which dm was installed first?
[23:50] <BarkingFish> lightdm was installed when I upgraded to 12.10 - I had KDM in precise
[23:50] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: is kdm is installed ?
[23:51] <BarkingFish> not now, no.  I removed it when it didn't work.
[23:51] <BarkingFish> I can put it back if you like, if you can tell me how to get it to function :)
[23:52] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: lets assume you completely un-installed kdm then, have you tried to install it since?
[23:53] <BarkingFish> i've just put it back on this very second
[23:53] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: not no used it yet?
[23:53] <BarkingFish> i've noticed it's taken over as the default dm for Kubuntu, almoxarife - if I try to uninstall lightDM, it tries to take kubuntu-desktop off with it.
[23:54] <BarkingFish> almoxarife, no, not yet
[23:54] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: did you choose it as the dm already?
[23:54] <BarkingFish> no
[23:54] <BarkingFish> I have lightdm right now
[23:55] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: if you tried to un-install lightdm without another dm to take its place things may go haywire, don't do it
[23:56] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: You have to 'install' kdm then run dpkg-reconfigure kdm and choose kdm as the default. Don't remove lightdm.
[23:56] <Belial`> is there a way to install icons for use in gtk applications and set them with gtk-configuration?
[23:57] <Belial`> when i pick from the drop down menu in icons theme, i don't my system installed icons for kde.
[23:57] <BarkingFish> Snowhog, ah.  That's the way round it.
[23:58] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: See http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57401-Lightdm-KDE&p=288232&viewfull=1#post288232
[23:58] <BarkingFish> I tried to simply select kdm as the default when the chooser popped up, and it wouldn't work
[23:58] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: That's because KDM isn't installed.
[23:59] <BarkingFish> Snowhog, that's just it - when I tried that, it was