| everaldo | jbicha, yes, I know it now | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| gnome | jbicha: i just dug into dconf editor... apparently we are still dragging some unity keys around | 00:00 |
| jbicha | I see guys running like Fedora 13 and I'm thinking man, you can't do that, with only 13 months max support you can only skip 1 release and then you *have* to upgrade | 00:01 |
| gnome | jbicha: indeed | 00:01 |
| everaldo | well, now my customers are using only LTS | 00:01 |
| everaldo | and to be honest, I have only 3 customers, not too much | 00:02 |
| gnome | but at least you don't need to wait for shuttleworth to stop scratching his ass to get a new driver *quickly* | 00:02 |
| jbicha | gnome: sure, several apps depend on libunity for Unity launcher integration | 00:02 |
| everaldo | jbicha, when 13.04 development starts? | 00:02 |
| jbicha | everaldo: 13.04 should open some time next week | 00:02 |
| gnome | jbicha: in this case its a lens... not sure we need it | 00:03 |
| jbicha | but you can start filing blueprints or opening bugs or starting mailing list discussions now | 00:03 |
| gnome | go look into com.canonical.Unity.Lenses | 00:03 |
| everaldo | jbicha, do you think we can change our default package set for next cycle? | 00:04 |
| gnome | other wise, jbicha my friend: awesome job! thanks for bringing gnome back to us and in its rightful manner | 00:04 |
| gnome | everaldo: package set?? | 00:05 |
| jbicha | gnome: yeah, that's included with libunity9 bug 1055019 | 00:05 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1055019 in libunity (Ubuntu) "libunity9 should depend on unity-common" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055019 | 00:05 |
| jbicha | everaldo: yeah we can make adjustments | 00:06 |
| gnome | jbicha: cool, so it's gone soon or in the next cycle i suppose :) | 00:06 |
| everaldo | gnome, yes, as package set I mean "packages that comes installed by default" | 00:06 |
| gnome | oh ok. :) | 00:07 |
| gnome | you guys can have a look at fedora - its vanilla gnome to the best | 00:07 |
| everaldo | jbicha, btw, people are just impressed, they really love UGR | 00:07 |
| jbicha | everaldo: yes, we can change our meta package | 00:07 |
| everaldo | gnome, I always look at fedora ;-) | 00:08 |
| jbicha | gnome: rawhide's scary though | 00:08 |
| gnome | very | 00:08 |
| gnome | as of now yes bc 18 is already branched | 00:08 |
| gnome | that<s what im running as we speak | 00:09 |
| gnome | are we going full gnome next cycle? no more canonical mods i mean... | 00:09 |
| gnome | jbicha ^^ | 00:10 |
| everaldo | I just start to hack on gnome control center, hope to have all features and kill gnome-tweak-tool | 00:11 |
| everaldo | also, just hope it can be integrated on oficial gnome control center | 00:11 |
| gnome | tweak tooll you mean? dump the app and have it as a module? | 00:12 |
| gnome | tool* | 00:12 |
| jbicha | everaldo: it's quite unlikely that GNOME designers will take those additions to System Settings, they have been included in Tweak Tool for a reason | 00:13 |
| gnome | jbicha: good point | 00:13 |
| everaldo | yes, they wont people make settings | 00:13 |
| gnome | though it does end up being a system related settings list | 00:13 |
| jbicha | unfortunately, events are conspiring (on Ubuntu and GNOME's side) which will likely mean that we'll be stuck with GNOME Shell 3.6 for 13.04 | 00:13 |
| everaldo | btw, it comes from this "icon designers" from redhat :( | 00:13 |
| everaldo | oh!!! | 00:14 |
| everaldo | :( | 00:14 |
| jbicha | gnome: System Settings will be cleaner for 13.04 but it's too early to say whether it will be 100% GNOME or not | 00:14 |
| gnome | jbicha: fedora usually runs the same main version for a couple cycles before rolling to the new one | 00:14 |
| gnome | jbicha: why not build it from source and have our own packages that are called throught the meta-pack | 00:15 |
| gnome | through* | 00:15 |
| everaldo | jbicha, the reason why we have a gnome-tweak-tool is that was started by a different person than don't know C programing and it is not possible to instegrate python modules in gnom-control-center | 00:15 |
| jbicha | gnome: that gets quite complicated for dependency-handling; we likely wouldn't really be part of Ubuntu if we did that | 00:15 |
| gnome | true.. forgot about that one | 00:16 |
| jbicha | everaldo: I'm not so sure that John doesn't know some C; I think he just prefers Python | 00:17 |
| jbicha | gnome: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbicha/germinate-output/desktop | 00:17 |
| jbicha | there's several similar files in that directory; that kind of gives an expansion of what we have in our metapackage and what's pulling it in | 00:18 |
| gnome | thanks | 00:18 |
| gnome | question: are the ubuntu applets bound by unity? | 00:19 |
| everaldo | jbicha, are we restrict to be very GNOME upstream or we are free to have some steroids for UGR ? | 00:21 |
| gnome | everaldo: no steroids please! i think the point of this was to have gnome to its purest, no? jbicha | 00:21 |
| jbicha | everaldo: for the sake of fighting with Ubuntu and GNOME I think we need to stay mostly vanilla | 00:21 |
| jbicha | we don't want Ubuntu to say "but you're not shipping pure GNOME anyway so what does it matter?" | 00:22 |
| everaldo | humm | 00:22 |
| gnome | exactly! | 00:22 |
| everaldo | not too much happy with that, 18 months ago I start to disagree with some GNOME things | 00:23 |
| gnome | quite honestly ( this how i do it..) i end up dumping all customizations anyway | 00:23 |
| jbicha | it gets pretty annoying at times being in the middle but that's why I'm here - to try to bridge the gap | 00:23 |
| gnome | i used to do it on ubuntu till i got fed up and moved out | 00:23 |
| gnome | jbicha: we arent bound to libreoffice if we go official are we? | 00:24 |
| jbicha | by patching over GNOME's mis-designs, we're encouraging users not to complain to GNOME but to blame us for all the decisions | 00:24 |
| gnome | ^^THIS! | 00:24 |
| jbicha | gnome: we have basically 100% ability to choose what packages we ship; Kubuntu has never shipped Ubuntu One for instance | 00:25 |
| everaldo | jbicha, well, you are right, I don't like it but you are right :( | 00:25 |
| gnome | jbicha: if i must request one thing, please oh please! do not put libreoffice on it | 00:25 |
| jbicha | everaldo: Suse or Mageia have more flexibility to patch over stuff | 00:25 |
| jbicha | gnome: that's a 50/50 decision as GNOME doesn't actually have a default office suite | 00:26 |
| gnome | that wouldnt stop anyone from installing it aftwerwards anyway | 00:26 |
| gnome | removing it, on the other hand 'dirties' the install | 00:26 |
| jbicha | well eventually LibreOffice will have a simpler UI that's easier to use | 00:27 |
| gnome | eventually.... | 00:27 |
| gnome | in a long long long long time | 00:27 |
| gnome | the framework has taken ages to update - heck, theyre still on it | 00:28 |
| jbicha | I'm considering dropping Evolution by default though as it's not core GNOME but just an app | 00:28 |
| gnome | what would be the replacement | 00:28 |
| gnome | fedora uses it... | 00:28 |
| everaldo | jbicha, I use openSUSE for years when working on Novell and people there are really hard to convince anything IMHO | 00:28 |
| jbicha | here's the definitions of what's core and what's not http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets | 00:28 |
| jbicha | gnome: I think a majority uses webmail, others prefer Evolution or Thunderbird or mutt or something | 00:29 |
| gnome | id back the webmail statement. thats all i use | 00:30 |
| everaldo | jbicha, anyway, I know that we can't patch any GNOME but we can install packages that get us more features right? | 00:30 |
| jbicha | I think it added 10MB or so to our image because I accidently left it out of the Alpha | 00:30 |
| gnome | and thank you for getting rid of mozilla too | 00:30 |
| jbicha | Web 3.8 will be getting the new pages tab-replacement | 00:31 |
| jbicha | it's ok because epiphany's tabs are pretty awful if you have more than about 7 open | 00:31 |
| gnome | if anything... id vote for keeping it streamlined and simple. people can overhaul it after install | 00:31 |
| jbicha | so it actually doesn't make their tab handling any worse, it can only get better :) | 00:31 |
| gnome | i meant 'web mail' as in browser + gmail | 00:32 |
| gnome | mmm question: does ndisgtk handle ethernet drivers too? not just wifi | 00:33 |
| jbicha | everaldo: sure, we installed deja dup, gwibber, and transmission this time and they aren't strictly GNOME | 00:34 |
| gnome | well.. they are considered essentials jbicha | 00:34 |
| gnome | and they work very well too | 00:35 |
| everaldo | well, looks like I can play a little, theres some "window" for customization ;-) | 00:35 |
| gnome | just please, keep it simple and low memory. think about it. with this now, we can actually take advantage of the mobile built-ins for eventul ports for tablets and stuff | 00:36 |
| gnome | ubuntu is the #1 choice | 00:36 |
| gnome | eventual* | 00:37 |
| gnome | unity is just awful for that | 00:37 |
| jbicha | everaldo: I think we may change the wallpaper too but I'd like to keep it conservative and looking like GNOME, I really liked Fedora 15's lovelock wallpaper | 00:37 |
| gnome | jbicha: why not do what i spoke about in the forums | 00:38 |
| jbicha | gnome: ? | 00:38 |
| gnome | the plymouth ubuntu logo on gnome-blue solid background | 00:38 |
| gnome | it would also unify the transitioning from plymouth to gdm to shell | 00:39 |
| gnome | if you make it the same for all three | 00:39 |
| everaldo | gnome, the gdm starts with blue strips, that is why we made an animation of blue strips | 00:39 |
| gnome | this version? | 00:40 |
| jbicha | gnome: feel free to send a proposal to the mailing list, screenshots or mockups are useful | 00:40 |
| gnome | will do | 00:40 |
| gnome | but basically let me explain: | 00:40 |
| gnome | default ubuntu uses plymouth as ubuntu logo on aubergine, right? | 00:41 |
| jbicha | we may switch to something like https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/Boot though | 00:41 |
| gnome | OOOOOh even better | 00:41 |
| jbicha | GDM 3.6 briefly flashes the default wallpaper on the screen which is why we used the default wallpaper instead for 12.10 | 00:42 |
| gnome | true that. good point | 00:42 |
| everaldo | jbicha, that is my first theme ;-) | 00:42 |
| gnome | so seamless was in your mind then | 00:42 |
| gnome | :) | 00:42 |
| jbicha | everaldo: yes I remember :) they may change that behavior in gdm 3.8 though | 00:42 |
| gnome | so basically plymouth would be using gdm's underlying background image | 00:43 |
| gnome | yes? | 00:43 |
| gnome | jbicha" ^^ | 00:44 |
| jbicha | from boot up to log in should feel fairly smooth yes | 00:44 |
| gnome | cool - added to ubuntu's silent grub settings, this will be pure win | 00:45 |
| gnome | jbicha: ubuntuone claims to be installed, i do not see it anywhere... | 00:48 |
| everaldo | jbicha, looks like we have some efi problems that will require rebuild the iso | 00:50 |
| everaldo | jbicha, is there any chance that it happens? | 00:50 |
| gnome | what is the efi issue? | 00:51 |
| gnome | i run efi | 00:51 |
| everaldo | a missing file on casper folder | 00:51 |
| gnome | which? | 00:51 |
| gnome | will that pose a problem if i attempt an efi install? | 00:52 |
| everaldo | error: file `/casper/vmlinuz.efi.signed` not found | 00:53 |
| everaldo | gnome, yes, it will | 00:53 |
| gnome | oh. when are you rebuilding then? | 00:54 |
| jbicha | gnome: ubuntuone is not installed, just pieces of it | 00:55 |
| everaldo | I don't know if we can rebuild and also I don't know from where this file comes from on Ubuntu | 00:55 |
| everaldo | jbicha, we can rebuild if needed? | 00:55 |
| gnome | ubuntuone-client-gnome for install? | 00:56 |
| nathaneltitane | back! | 01:16 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, fedora ah? | 01:18 |
| nathaneltitane | indeed | 01:19 |
| everaldo | :-) | 01:19 |
| nathaneltitane | gonna install into gnome boxes to test out all the final stuff before formating | 01:20 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, let us know if you have any issues | 01:21 |
| nathaneltitane | will do. i plan on sticking around with you guys. i cant code but i sure as hell can test the living crap out of software :) | 01:23 |
| everaldo | :) | 01:23 |
| jbicha | everaldo: linux-signed is what has that .signed file, interestingly it's amd64 only | 01:24 |
| everaldo | jbicha, probably because EFI is 64bit only right? | 01:25 |
| jbicha | I'd prefer an actual bug report, is it just that efi users have trouble after installing? in that case, we could just release note it | 01:25 |
| nathaneltitane | YEP | 01:25 |
| nathaneltitane | i might assume we'd have trouble *WHILE* installing | 01:25 |
| nathaneltitane | where was it in the image again? | 01:26 |
| everaldo | jbicha, ok, I will fill a bug report after dinner | 01:26 |
| everaldo | ah, a friend here just copy the file to usb stick from ubuntu to ubuntu-gnome-remix and it works | 01:26 |
| jbicha | or we could just spin a 12.10.1 image for amd64 only | 01:26 |
| nathaneltitane | where was the file located jbicha | 01:28 |
| nathaneltitane | ill copy it for install until you guys respin | 01:28 |
| jbicha | tell the friend to install linux-signed-generic so that upgrades work | 01:28 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, casper folder | 01:28 |
| jbicha | I have to figure out the correct way to respin first | 01:28 |
| nathaneltitane | k | 01:28 |
| nathaneltitane | my point exactly.. until you do | 01:29 |
| nathaneltitane | :) | 01:29 |
| everaldo | jbicha, he cant install it, it is on installation | 01:29 |
| jbicha | I guess we just need to install that and things should work | 01:29 |
| everaldo | jbicha, when you enter a live session just receive this message | 01:30 |
| everaldo | after installed everthing works fine, just need to copy this file to the casper folder | 01:30 |
| jbicha | everaldo: if install completes, then he can just chroot in and install that package | 01:32 |
| everaldo | well, it is working and not installed anything after complete installation | 01:34 |
| jbicha | everaldo: would you like to regenerate the iso to test if it works https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script | 01:35 |
| jbicha | I'll rebuild and re-release after I get it uploaded (it might not happen until Monday) | 01:36 |
| jbicha | but there's no use releasing until it's verified that the problem is fixed | 01:36 |
| everaldo | jbicha, I will rebuild iso here and test on mac and efi capable pc, after tests then email you | 01:37 |
| jbicha | everaldo: sure, thanks! | 01:38 |
| * everaldo searching for a good excuse to not go sushi with his wife | 01:39 | |
| nathaneltitane | lol | 01:42 |
| nathaneltitane | sushi is good | 01:42 |
| nathaneltitane | y not go | 01:42 |
| everaldo | it is cold today | 01:43 |
| jbicha | how cold? | 01:43 |
| nathaneltitane | cold | 01:43 |
| nathaneltitane | too cold | 01:43 |
| everaldo | 17o C | 01:43 |
| everaldo | well, cold for a brazilian guys that is always on 38~35 C | 01:44 |
| everaldo | :) | 01:44 |
| nathaneltitane | 12C here but windy and rainy as hell | 01:44 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, where? | 01:44 |
| nathaneltitane | montreal | 01:44 |
| everaldo | 12C for me is like a cold hell | 01:45 |
| nathaneltitane | try -40 :) | 01:45 |
| everaldo | no, thanks :) | 01:46 |
| nathaneltitane | joined the team on launchpad | 01:47 |
| nathaneltitane | boxes is awesome | 01:51 |
| nathaneltitane | we seriously need it for the next release | 01:51 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, what is uses? kvm? | 01:52 |
| nathaneltitane | qemu it seems | 01:52 |
| jbicha | nathaneltitane: at the moment it's amd64 only on Ubuntu, it requires hw virtualization so it's not necessarily a very good choice | 01:52 |
| nathaneltitane | oh | 01:52 |
| jbicha | as default at least | 01:52 |
| nathaneltitane | is it available throught the gnome3 ppa? | 01:53 |
| nathaneltitane | through** | 01:53 |
| jbicha | nathaneltitane: it's in the regular Ubuntu archives https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-boxes | 01:53 |
| nathaneltitane | spins are arch dependant anyway, why not include it on 64 | 01:53 |
| nathaneltitane | wanna keep it uniform i suppose throughout the build? | 01:54 |
| jbicha | nathaneltitane: personally I haven't found it to be that great yet; it was broken during much of the quantal cycle and I only recently got access to a computer w/ hw virtualization | 01:55 |
| nathaneltitane | seems to run flawless right now for me | 01:55 |
| nathaneltitane | and im on an alpha btw | 01:55 |
| jbicha | right, the Boxes devs use Fedora I believe; they definitely don't use Ubuntu | 01:56 |
| nathaneltitane | lol | 01:56 |
| nathaneltitane | still pretty powerful | 01:57 |
| nathaneltitane | out of the box virtualization is very cool | 01:57 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, better than VirtualBox? | 01:58 |
| nathaneltitane | so far it seems | 01:58 |
| nathaneltitane | no module config or build | 01:58 |
| nathaneltitane | click, load, install, boom | 01:58 |
| everaldo | will try it | 01:59 |
| nathaneltitane | detects iso through home paths and even enables URIs | 01:59 |
| jbicha | nathaneltitane: I think the real issue is that you're used to VirtualBox being broken, it usually works pretty well on Ubuntu :) | 01:59 |
| nathaneltitane | oh no. i sure as hell know how to make it work, but i rather not spend time configuring it | 02:00 |
| nathaneltitane | :) | 02:00 |
| jbicha | nathaneltitane: right, it needs 0 configuration on Ubuntu (at least up until 12.04) | 02:00 |
| nathaneltitane | the OSE one | 02:00 |
| jbicha | the Debian maintainer does a good job | 02:00 |
| nathaneltitane | im talking about the prop version | 02:00 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, looks like it uses vnc? is that right? | 02:01 |
| jbicha | nathaneltitane: but you don't need that, just add the proprietary extension pack | 02:01 |
| jbicha | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads | 02:01 |
| nathaneltitane | mhm | 02:01 |
| nathaneltitane | good to know | 02:01 |
| nathaneltitane | seems like it everaldo | 02:01 |
| jbicha | everaldo: it uses qemu & spice, I don't know about vnc | 02:02 |
| nathaneltitane | vnc is for the remote machines | 02:03 |
| everaldo | just looking at code | 02:04 |
| everaldo | and looks like it opens a vnc session to vm | 02:05 |
| everaldo | not sure if does it always | 02:05 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, do you have any windows vm ? | 02:05 |
| nathaneltitane | no | 02:05 |
| nathaneltitane | i have a dedicated windows machine for work | 02:05 |
| nathaneltitane | im an industrial designer | 02:05 |
| nathaneltitane | so i cant do without adobe and autocad and solidworks | 02:06 |
| everaldo | ah, ok | 02:06 |
| nathaneltitane | and the only reason i use wine is for MLCAD since i run linux 98% of the time at home | 02:06 |
| * everaldo loves how vala code looks | 02:06 | |
| nathaneltitane | often heard about vala | 02:07 |
| nathaneltitane | is it that great? | 02:07 |
| everaldo | well, the syntax is more clean than glib/gtk/c stuff | 02:07 |
| nathaneltitane | hmm | 02:07 |
| everaldo | and you don't need the .h files, it all on .vala code | 02:08 |
| nathaneltitane | cool | 02:08 |
| everaldo | and looks like C#/Java | 02:08 |
| everaldo | but it compiles the .vala in .c/.h and then compile to native code | 02:08 |
| everaldo | so, don't loose any performance compared to C code | 02:08 |
| nathaneltitane | thats why. good to know | 02:09 |
| everaldo | is there any ppa for gnome-boxes? | 02:12 |
| nathaneltitane | everaldo: he said its in the ubuntu archives | 02:14 |
| nathaneltitane | or i guess you can just add the ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 | 02:15 |
| * everaldo installing gnome-boxes (it is on official archives) | 02:16 | |
| nathaneltitane | cool | 02:16 |
| * nathaneltitane | 02:16 | |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, just working here | 02:18 |
| nathaneltitane | meaning | 02:18 |
| nathaneltitane | ? | 02:18 |
| everaldo | even gnome-shell works perfect | 02:18 |
| everaldo | I like it | 02:18 |
| nathaneltitane | es | 02:19 |
| nathaneltitane | yes | 02:19 |
| nathaneltitane | i've always had faith in the gnome team | 02:19 |
| nathaneltitane | they do awesome work | 02:19 |
| everaldo | theres only one thing that I did not like | 02:19 |
| nathaneltitane | which is | 02:19 |
| everaldo | the black window title | 02:19 |
| everaldo | like other gnome programs | 02:20 |
| nathaneltitane | theme you mean | 02:20 |
| everaldo | yes | 02:20 |
| everaldo | I do prefer the default theme | 02:20 |
| nathaneltitane | i kind of like it. it does help on the media focus for images and movies | 02:20 |
| nathaneltitane | *MY* theme is even cooler | 02:20 |
| everaldo | where it store vms? | 02:21 |
| nathaneltitane | under ~/.local/share/gnome-boxes | 02:22 |
| nathaneltitane | brb. going back to live to install :) | 02:23 |
| darkxst | jbicha, this is quite bizarre, how can policykit-1-gnome possibly be missing, when a number of core gnome things depend on it? | 04:02 |
| darkxst | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1069104 | 04:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1069104 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Gnome-shell broken since quantal upgrade" [Undecided,New] | 04:03 |
| jbicha | crazy, it sounds like his system is probably fairly broken in that case | 04:08 |
| darkxst | yeh both logs are quite contridactory as well | 04:08 |
| darkxst | first one can't find polkit, but is trying to load compiz also | 04:09 |
| darkxst | second log is failing to load polkit, since an agent is already active | 04:09 |
| darkxst | some other guy compained about the second issue, in an unrelated bug report | 04:11 |
| jbicha | well if gnome-shell fails, it would try to fallback to gnome classic which would include compiz if he started from Ubuntu 12.04 | 04:12 |
| darkxst | no that wont happen now | 04:13 |
| darkxst | fallback is decided by gnome-session right at the start | 04:14 |
| darkxst | any critical error after that point will crash gnome-shell and stop there | 04:14 |
| darkxst | (it will probably attempt to respawn though) | 04:14 |
| darkxst | the only way to hit fallback now is to actually select the session from gdm/lightdm (unless llvmpipe happens to be broken) | 04:21 |
| jbicha | everaldo: I was told that we might not need to respin, could you or him file the boot bug against grub2? | 04:28 |
| jbicha | they haven't quite figured out what the problem is as there's only one other similar case of boot failing | 04:30 |
| jbicha | *known case so far | 04:30 |
| jbicha | is he running with secure boot? | 04:31 |
| darkxst | lol, I imagine secure boot will produce more than its fair share of efi bugs! | 04:39 |
| darkxst | over the next cycle, previously lots of boards were using hybrid modes, that emulate bios for boot, but wont be valid with secure boot | 04:40 |
| arvicolinae | hello everybody | 16:35 |
| arvicolinae | a few minutes ago I tried to install the 64 bit ubuntu gnome remix | 16:35 |
| arvicolinae | but I got the following error: /casper/vmlinuz.efi.signed not found try booting the kernel first | 16:36 |
| arvicolinae | do you have any suggestions what I could do to get this working? | 16:37 |
| jbicha | arvicolinae: please file a bug against grub2 with as much information about your hardware as you can? | 16:38 |
| jbicha | for instance, are you running with Secure Boot? | 16:38 |
| arvicolinae | ok in the launchpad? | 16:38 |
| jbicha | yes, you can run ubuntu-bug grub2 | 16:39 |
| arvicolinae | I don't think so | 16:39 |
| jbicha | the developers are quite interested in trying to figure out why grub is failing to boot unsigned kernels on some machines | 16:40 |
| arvicolinae | ah ok | 16:40 |
| arvicolinae | this issue occurs only with the stable release of the gnome remix | 16:41 |
| arvicolinae | with the beta I had this strange nouveau problem | 16:41 |
| arvicolinae | which information do I need to provide since I'm running Debian 64 bit at the moment? | 16:59 |
| darkxst | jbicha, is this efi issue booting the installed system? or the iso? | 20:04 |
| arvicolinae | hi all | 20:41 |
| arvicolinae | @jbicha: The Ubuntu developers rejected my bug report because the gnome remix isn't an official ubuntu flavour | 20:43 |
| arvicolinae | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1069475 for further information | 20:44 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1069475 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub fails to boot unsigned kernel" [Undecided,Invalid] | 20:44 |
| arvicolinae | so who could help me? | 20:45 |
| darkxst | arvicolinae, does it happen with the normal quantal images? | 20:55 |
| arvicolinae | I didn't tested | 20:56 |
| arvicolinae | but I found out that it doesn't happen with the beta version of gnome remix | 20:56 |
| darkxst | arvicolinae, ok that is strange, can you try with normal ubuntu image | 20:59 |
| arvicolinae | sure | 21:00 |
| arvicolinae | see you in a few minutes ;) | 21:10 |
| darkxst | jbicha, fwiw, I can't even get the ubuntu gnome images to boot at all in vmware efi mode (I don't even get as far as grub ;( ) | 21:13 |
| darkxst | standard quantal release boots fine though | 21:13 |
| arvicolinae | ok problem didn't occur with normal quantal daily built | 21:16 |
| arvicolinae | are there daily builts for the gnome remix | 21:16 |
| arvicolinae | ? | 21:16 |
| darkxst | no, you have to build it yourself | 21:17 |
| darkxst | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script | 21:17 |
| darkxst | grab that, and then run './livecd-script.sh customize amd64 quantal-desktop-amd64.iso' | 21:18 |
| arvicolinae | ok thanks | 21:20 |
| arvicolinae | do I have to download all the scripts? | 21:21 |
| darkxst | yeh, just use 'bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script' | 21:23 |
| arvicolinae | very nice system ;) | 21:25 |
| arvicolinae | so this script builds the gnome remix from an normal quantal daily built? | 21:31 |
| arvicolinae | very cool guys :D | 21:31 |
| darkxst | yeh | 21:33 |
| darkxst | and actually all the boot stuff is just copied of the normal quantal image. so it is strange this only occurs for our image | 21:33 |
| darkxst | arvicolinae, also you should run 'livecd-script.iso clean amd64' each time before re-building image again | 21:35 |
| arvicolinae | ok what does that do? | 21:35 |
| arvicolinae | cleaning cache? | 21:36 |
| darkxst | yeh just cleans up anything left over from the last build | 21:36 |
| darkxst | if you dont do it, the image ends up twice the size | 21:37 |
| arvicolinae | hahaha | 21:37 |
| arvicolinae | ^^ | 21:37 |
| arvicolinae | then I'll better run the command | 21:37 |
| arvicolinae | how many developers are there for the gnome remix? | 21:38 |
| arvicolinae | ok, thank you very much | 22:16 |
| arvicolinae | I'll report tomorrow if I'm successful or not | 22:17 |
| arvicolinae | good night | 22:17 |
| nathaneltitane | hello! | 22:44 |
| nathaneltitane | jbicha: attempted to copy the signed vmlinuz from a standard ubuntu 12.10 amd64 image and the live failed to boot up.. it hung with a blinking cursor. did everaldo's friend copy the whole casper directory or just the file? | 22:46 |
| darkxst | nathaneltitane, do you get to grub menu? | 22:47 |
| nathaneltitane | not even | 22:47 |
| darkxst | ok that is possibly a different issue | 22:47 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, just the file | 22:47 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: i think you are aware of the missing file? | 22:47 |
| darkxst | our image is missing efi boot entry | 22:47 |
| nathaneltitane | well that didnt work everaldo | 22:47 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, I am right now checking this bug | 22:47 |
| nathaneltitane | i mounted the image with file roller and copied it right into the already 'burned' usb casper folder... nada | 22:48 |
| darkxst | nathaneltitane, yeh but that happens after grub menu | 22:48 |
| everaldo | well, leave me a mail so I can tell you after finish my tests here (everaldo.canuto@gmail.com) | 22:48 |
| nathaneltitane | it's the one on the launchpad | 22:48 |
| nathaneltitane | nathanel.titane@gmail.com | 22:48 |
| darkxst | some efi bios can't read ISO9660 ;( | 22:48 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: i attempted the boot on an old machine first | 22:49 |
| nathaneltitane | otherwise guys, the build is flawless | 22:49 |
| nathaneltitane | it runs on my non efi desk like a boss | 22:49 |
| everaldo | nathaneltitane, I will leave you a mail when finish my tests | 22:50 |
| nathaneltitane | i am so very happy about this. :) | 22:50 |
| nathaneltitane | no prob everaldo | 22:50 |
| darkxst | nathaneltitane, if you go into efi shell, you will find that it can't read the cd | 22:50 |
| nathaneltitane | my laptop doesnt have a shell darkxst | 22:51 |
| nathaneltitane | it's a standard bios interface | 22:51 |
| nathaneltitane | which makes me beg to ask darkxst : my laptop does offer a boot from device shell | 22:51 |
| nathaneltitane | how can i get it to do that? | 22:51 |
| darkxst | so your laptop which is bios, is failing to boot? then that is something different again | 22:52 |
| nathaneltitane | um no, it is efi, but no shell | 22:52 |
| nathaneltitane | and the attempt i am talking about was on the machine i am currently running on, standard bios | 22:53 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: my point is: if it is only bios, it shouldve just booted | 22:53 |
| darkxst | efi will (should) have a shell | 22:53 |
| nathaneltitane | well, ubuntu and fedora refuse to boot live if i do not isohybrid the images to uefi capable boot | 22:54 |
| nathaneltitane | and i ran all the efivars tests and efibootmgr tests and it is indeed efi | 22:54 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: i read about the fact that some vendors dismiss the shell due to limited memory | 22:54 |
| darkxst | ok | 22:55 |
| darkxst | isohybrid doesnt do efi though | 22:56 |
| nathaneltitane | yes | 22:56 |
| nathaneltitane | isohybrid -u | 22:56 |
| nathaneltitane | i did it for fedora | 22:56 |
| darkxst | did you try on our image? | 22:56 |
| nathaneltitane | not yet | 22:56 |
| nathaneltitane | and ubuntu is uefi capable by default | 22:57 |
| nathaneltitane | normally | 22:57 |
| darkxst | nathaneltitane, but like I said we have not included the efi boot entry | 22:57 |
| nathaneltitane | bc i attempted with a default 12.06 image a montha ago and it booted, which led me to discover isohybrid and run it on the fedora image i wanted to load | 22:57 |
| nathaneltitane | OH | 22:57 |
| nathaneltitane | so it does need to be hybridized | 22:57 |
| nathaneltitane | 12.04** | 22:58 |
| nathaneltitane | let me try it now and get back to you | 22:58 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296385/ | 23:00 |
| darkxst | nathaneltitane, oh | 23:01 |
| darkxst | try copy /boot/grub/efi.img | 23:01 |
| darkxst | to isolinux/efiboot.img | 23:02 |
| darkxst | inside the iso | 23:02 |
| nathaneltitane | what was that iso editing tool again? | 23:04 |
| darkxst | iso master, is one | 23:05 |
| nathaneltitane | i think thats the one, thanks | 23:05 |
| darkxst | everaldo, you have a machine that gets to grub and then fails? | 23:07 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: you sait to copy is as what again? sorry, had to log out, couldnt get a lock on apt | 23:10 |
| nathaneltitane | said* | 23:11 |
| everaldo | darkxst, no, but I will have it in a couple of hours :) | 23:11 |
| everaldo | just waiting for machine | 23:11 |
| darkxst | <darkxst> try copy /boot/grub/efi.img | 23:12 |
| darkxst | <darkxst> to isolinux/efiboot.img | 23:12 |
| darkxst | everaldo, try adding the following to genisoimage command "-eltorito-alt-boot -e boot/grub/efi.img -no-emul-boot" at the end of the command but before the '.' | 23:13 |
| nathaneltitane | darkxst: still unable to find efi image | 23:13 |
| everaldo | darkxst, ok, I will do it | 23:14 |
| darkxst | nathaneltitane, do you have the iso build script? | 23:14 |
| nathaneltitane | nope | 23:15 |
| nathaneltitane | as in livecd-tools& | 23:15 |
| nathaneltitane | *? | 23:15 |
| darkxst | no our build script for ubuntu gnome images' | 23:15 |
| nathaneltitane | nope | 23:16 |
| nathaneltitane | i guess ill just wait on the spin | 23:16 |
| darkxst | well it will need testing before we release anything | 23:17 |
| nathaneltitane | im here for that :) | 23:17 |
| nathaneltitane | link it up when its ready | 23:18 |
| darkxst | I just need to work out the correct commands to generate a proper efi image | 23:18 |
| nathaneltitane | no prob. - take your time | 23:19 |
| nathaneltitane | be back in a bit | 23:21 |
| everaldo | darkxst, nathaneltitane, instead of send a mail directly to you guys, will just send to mail list | 23:22 |
| everaldo | so we can handle | 23:23 |
| nathaneltitane | k | 23:23 |
| nathaneltitane | link me to the page plss | 23:23 |
| darkxst | everaldo, oh an test without the -signed package | 23:35 |
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