[00:00] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, I know it now
[00:00] <gnome> jbicha: i just dug into dconf editor... apparently we are still dragging some unity keys around
[00:01] <jbicha> I see guys running like Fedora 13 and I'm thinking man, you can't do that, with only 13 months max support you can only skip 1 release and then you *have* to upgrade
[00:01] <gnome> jbicha: indeed
[00:01] <everaldo> well, now my customers are using only LTS
[00:02] <everaldo> and to be honest, I have only 3 customers, not too much
[00:02] <gnome> but at least you don't need to wait for shuttleworth to stop scratching his ass to get a new driver *quickly*
[00:02] <jbicha> gnome: sure, several apps depend on libunity for Unity launcher integration
[00:02] <everaldo> jbicha, when 13.04 development starts?
[00:02] <jbicha> everaldo: 13.04 should open some time next week
[00:03] <gnome> jbicha: in this case its a lens... not sure we need it
[00:03] <jbicha> but you can start filing blueprints or opening bugs or starting mailing list discussions now
[00:03] <gnome> go look into com.canonical.Unity.Lenses
[00:04] <everaldo> jbicha, do you think we can change our default package set for next cycle?
[00:04] <gnome> other wise, jbicha my friend: awesome job! thanks for bringing gnome back to us and in its rightful manner
[00:05] <gnome> everaldo: package set??
[00:05] <jbicha> gnome: yeah, that's included with libunity9 bug 1055019
[00:06] <jbicha> everaldo: yeah we can make adjustments
[00:06] <gnome> jbicha: cool, so it's gone soon or in the next cycle i suppose :)
[00:06] <everaldo> gnome, yes, as package set I mean "packages that comes installed by default"
[00:07] <gnome> oh ok. :)
[00:07] <gnome> you guys can have a look at fedora - its vanilla gnome to the best
[00:07] <everaldo> jbicha, btw, people are just impressed, they really love UGR
[00:07] <jbicha> everaldo: yes, we can change our meta package
[00:08] <everaldo> gnome, I always look at fedora ;-)
[00:08] <jbicha> gnome: rawhide's scary though
[00:08] <gnome> very
[00:08] <gnome> as of now yes bc 18 is already branched
[00:09] <gnome> that<s what im running as we speak
[00:09] <gnome> are we going full gnome next cycle? no more canonical mods i mean...
[00:10] <gnome> jbicha ^^
[00:11] <everaldo> I just start to hack on gnome control center, hope to have all features and kill gnome-tweak-tool
[00:11] <everaldo> also, just hope it can be integrated on oficial gnome control center
[00:12] <gnome> tweak tooll you mean? dump the app and have it as a module?
[00:12] <gnome> tool*
[00:13] <jbicha> everaldo: it's quite unlikely that GNOME designers will take those additions to System Settings, they have been included in Tweak Tool for a reason
[00:13] <gnome> jbicha: good point
[00:13] <everaldo> yes, they wont people make settings
[00:13] <gnome> though it does end up being a system related settings list
[00:13] <jbicha> unfortunately, events are conspiring (on Ubuntu and GNOME's side) which will likely mean that we'll be stuck with GNOME Shell 3.6 for 13.04
[00:13] <everaldo> btw, it comes from this "icon designers" from redhat :(
[00:14] <everaldo> oh!!!
[00:14] <everaldo> :(
[00:14] <jbicha> gnome: System Settings will be cleaner for 13.04 but it's too early to say whether it will be 100% GNOME or not
[00:14] <gnome> jbicha: fedora usually runs the same main version for a couple cycles before rolling to the new one
[00:15] <gnome> jbicha: why not build it from source and have our own packages that are called throught the meta-pack
[00:15] <gnome> through*
[00:15] <everaldo> jbicha, the reason why we have a gnome-tweak-tool is that was started by a different person than don't know C programing and it is not possible to instegrate python modules in gnom-control-center
[00:15] <jbicha> gnome: that gets quite complicated for dependency-handling; we likely wouldn't really be part of Ubuntu if we did that
[00:16] <gnome> true.. forgot about that one
[00:17] <jbicha> everaldo: I'm not so sure that John doesn't know some C; I think he just prefers Python
[00:17] <jbicha> gnome: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbicha/germinate-output/desktop
[00:18] <jbicha> there's several similar files in that directory; that kind of gives an expansion of what we have in our metapackage and what's pulling it in
[00:18] <gnome> thanks
[00:19] <gnome> question: are the ubuntu applets bound by unity?
[00:21] <everaldo> jbicha, are we restrict to be very GNOME upstream  or we are free to have some steroids for UGR ?
[00:21] <gnome> everaldo: no steroids please! i think the point of this was to have gnome to its purest, no? jbicha
[00:21] <jbicha> everaldo: for the sake of fighting with Ubuntu and GNOME I think we need to stay mostly vanilla
[00:22] <jbicha> we don't want Ubuntu to say "but you're not shipping pure GNOME anyway so what does it matter?"
[00:22] <everaldo> humm
[00:22] <gnome> exactly!
[00:23] <everaldo> not too much happy with that, 18 months ago I start to disagree with some GNOME things
[00:23] <gnome> quite honestly ( this how i do it..) i end up dumping all customizations anyway
[00:23] <jbicha> it gets pretty annoying at times being in the middle but that's why I'm here - to try to bridge the gap
[00:23] <gnome> i used to do it on ubuntu till i got fed up and moved out
[00:24] <gnome> jbicha: we arent bound to libreoffice if we go official are we?
[00:24] <jbicha> by patching over GNOME's mis-designs, we're encouraging users not to complain to GNOME but to blame us for all the decisions
[00:24] <gnome> ^^THIS!
[00:25] <jbicha> gnome: we have basically 100% ability to choose what packages we ship; Kubuntu has never shipped Ubuntu One for instance
[00:25] <everaldo> jbicha, well, you are right, I don't like it but you are right :(
[00:25] <gnome> jbicha: if i must request one thing, please oh please! do not put libreoffice on it
[00:25] <jbicha> everaldo: Suse or Mageia have more flexibility to patch over stuff
[00:26] <jbicha> gnome: that's a 50/50 decision as GNOME doesn't actually have a default office suite
[00:26] <gnome> that wouldnt stop anyone from installing it aftwerwards anyway
[00:26] <gnome> removing it, on the other hand 'dirties' the install
[00:27] <jbicha> well eventually LibreOffice will have a simpler UI that's easier to use
[00:27] <gnome> eventually....
[00:27] <gnome> in a long long long long time
[00:28] <gnome> the framework has taken ages to update - heck, theyre still on it
[00:28] <jbicha> I'm considering dropping Evolution by default though as it's not core GNOME but just an app
[00:28] <gnome> what would be the replacement
[00:28] <gnome> fedora uses it...
[00:28] <everaldo> jbicha, I use openSUSE for years when working on Novell and people there are really hard to convince anything IMHO
[00:28] <jbicha> here's the definitions of what's core and what's not http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets
[00:29] <jbicha> gnome: I think a majority uses webmail, others prefer Evolution or Thunderbird or mutt or something
[00:30] <gnome> id back the webmail statement. thats all i use
[00:30] <everaldo> jbicha, anyway, I know that we can't patch any GNOME but we can install packages that get us more features right?
[00:30] <jbicha> I think it added 10MB or so to our image because I accidently left it out of the Alpha
[00:30] <gnome> and thank you for getting rid of mozilla too
[00:31] <jbicha> Web 3.8 will be getting the new pages tab-replacement
[00:31] <jbicha> it's ok because epiphany's tabs are pretty awful if you have more than about 7 open
[00:31] <gnome> if anything... id vote for keeping it streamlined and simple. people can overhaul it after install
[00:31] <jbicha> so it actually doesn't make their tab handling any worse, it can only get better :)
[00:32] <gnome> i meant 'web mail' as in browser + gmail
[00:33] <gnome> mmm question: does ndisgtk handle ethernet drivers too? not just wifi
[00:34] <jbicha> everaldo: sure, we installed deja dup, gwibber, and transmission this time and they aren't strictly GNOME
[00:34] <gnome> well.. they are considered essentials jbicha
[00:35] <gnome> and they work very well too
[00:35] <everaldo> well, looks like I can play a little, theres some "window" for customization ;-)
[00:36] <gnome> just please, keep it simple and low memory. think about it. with this now, we can actually take advantage of the mobile built-ins for eventul ports for tablets and stuff
[00:36] <gnome> ubuntu is the #1 choice
[00:37] <gnome> eventual*
[00:37] <gnome> unity is just awful for that
[00:37] <jbicha> everaldo: I think we may change the wallpaper too but I'd like to keep it conservative and looking like GNOME, I really liked Fedora 15's lovelock wallpaper
[00:38] <gnome> jbicha: why not do what i spoke about in the forums
[00:38] <jbicha> gnome: ?
[00:38] <gnome> the plymouth ubuntu logo on gnome-blue solid background
[00:39] <gnome> it would also unify the transitioning from plymouth to gdm to shell
[00:39] <gnome> if you make it the same for all three
[00:39] <everaldo> gnome, the gdm starts with blue strips, that is why we made an animation of blue strips
[00:40] <gnome> this version?
[00:40] <jbicha> gnome: feel free to send a proposal to the mailing list, screenshots or mockups are useful
[00:40] <gnome> will do
[00:40] <gnome> but basically let me explain:
[00:41] <gnome> default ubuntu uses plymouth as ubuntu logo on aubergine, right?
[00:41] <jbicha> we may switch to something like https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/Boot though
[00:41] <gnome> OOOOOh even better
[00:42] <jbicha> GDM 3.6 briefly flashes the default wallpaper on the screen which is why we used the default wallpaper instead for 12.10
[00:42] <gnome> true that. good point
[00:42] <everaldo> jbicha, that is my first theme ;-)
[00:42] <gnome> so seamless was in your mind then
[00:42] <gnome> :)
[00:42] <jbicha> everaldo: yes I remember :) they may change that behavior in gdm 3.8 though
[00:43] <gnome> so basically plymouth would be using gdm's underlying background image
[00:43] <gnome> yes?
[00:44] <gnome> jbicha" ^^
[00:44] <jbicha> from boot up to log in should feel fairly smooth yes
[00:45] <gnome> cool - added to ubuntu's silent grub settings, this will be pure win
[00:48] <gnome> jbicha: ubuntuone claims to be installed, i do not see it anywhere...
[00:50] <everaldo> jbicha, looks like we have some efi problems that will require rebuild the iso
[00:50] <everaldo> jbicha, is there any chance that it happens?
[00:51] <gnome> what is the efi issue?
[00:51] <gnome> i run efi
[00:51] <everaldo> a missing file on casper folder
[00:51] <gnome> which?
[00:52] <gnome> will that pose a problem if i attempt an efi install?
[00:53] <everaldo> error: file `/casper/vmlinuz.efi.signed` not found
[00:53] <everaldo> gnome, yes, it will
[00:54] <gnome> oh. when are you rebuilding then?
[00:55] <jbicha> gnome: ubuntuone is not installed, just pieces of it
[00:55] <everaldo> I don't know if we can rebuild and also I don't know from where this file comes from on  Ubuntu
[00:55] <everaldo> jbicha, we can rebuild if needed?
[00:56] <gnome> ubuntuone-client-gnome for install?
[01:16] <nathaneltitane> back!
[01:18] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, fedora ah?
[01:19] <nathaneltitane> indeed
[01:19] <everaldo> :-)
[01:20] <nathaneltitane> gonna install into gnome boxes to test out all the final stuff before formating
[01:21] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, let us know if you have any issues
[01:23] <nathaneltitane> will do. i plan on sticking around with you guys. i cant code but i sure as hell can test the living crap out of software :)
[01:23] <everaldo> :)
[01:24] <jbicha> everaldo: linux-signed is what has that .signed file, interestingly it's amd64 only
[01:25] <everaldo> jbicha, probably because EFI is 64bit only right?
[01:25] <jbicha> I'd prefer an actual bug report, is it just that efi users have trouble after installing? in that case, we could just release note it
[01:25] <nathaneltitane> YEP
[01:25] <nathaneltitane> i might assume we'd have trouble *WHILE* installing
[01:26] <nathaneltitane> where was it in the image again?
[01:26] <everaldo> jbicha, ok, I will fill a bug report after dinner
[01:26] <everaldo> ah, a friend here just copy the file to usb stick from ubuntu to ubuntu-gnome-remix and it works
[01:26] <jbicha> or we could just spin a 12.10.1 image for amd64 only
[01:28] <nathaneltitane> where was the file located jbicha
[01:28] <nathaneltitane> ill copy it for install until you guys respin
[01:28] <jbicha> tell the friend to install linux-signed-generic so that upgrades work
[01:28] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, casper folder
[01:28] <jbicha> I have to figure out the correct way to respin first
[01:28] <nathaneltitane> k
[01:29] <nathaneltitane> my point exactly.. until you do
[01:29] <nathaneltitane> :)
[01:29] <everaldo> jbicha, he cant install it, it is on installation
[01:29] <jbicha> I guess we just need to install that and things should work
[01:30] <everaldo> jbicha, when you enter a live session just receive this message
[01:30] <everaldo> after installed everthing works fine, just need to copy this file to the casper folder
[01:32] <jbicha> everaldo: if install completes, then he can just chroot in and install that package
[01:34] <everaldo> well, it is working and not installed anything after complete installation
[01:35] <jbicha> everaldo: would you like to regenerate the iso to test if it works https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script
[01:36] <jbicha> I'll rebuild and re-release after I get it uploaded (it might not happen until Monday)
[01:36] <jbicha> but there's no use releasing until it's verified that the problem is fixed
[01:37] <everaldo> jbicha, I will rebuild iso here and test on mac and efi capable pc, after tests then email you
[01:38] <jbicha> everaldo: sure, thanks!
[01:39]  * everaldo searching for a good excuse to not go sushi with his wife
[01:42] <nathaneltitane> lol
[01:42] <nathaneltitane> sushi is good
[01:42] <nathaneltitane> y not go
[01:43] <everaldo> it is cold today
[01:43] <jbicha> how cold?
[01:43] <nathaneltitane> cold
[01:43] <nathaneltitane> too cold
[01:43] <everaldo> 17o C
[01:44] <everaldo> well, cold for a brazilian guys that is always on 38~35 C
[01:44] <everaldo> :)
[01:44] <nathaneltitane> 12C here but windy and rainy as hell
[01:44] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, where?
[01:44] <nathaneltitane> montreal
[01:45] <everaldo> 12C for me is like a cold hell
[01:45] <nathaneltitane> try -40 :)
[01:46] <everaldo> no, thanks :)
[01:47] <nathaneltitane> joined the team on launchpad
[01:51] <nathaneltitane> boxes is awesome
[01:51] <nathaneltitane> we seriously need it for the next release
[01:52] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, what is uses? kvm?
[01:52] <nathaneltitane> qemu it seems
[01:52] <jbicha> nathaneltitane: at the moment it's amd64 only on Ubuntu, it requires hw virtualization so it's not necessarily a very good choice
[01:52] <nathaneltitane> oh
[01:52] <jbicha> as default at least
[01:53] <nathaneltitane> is it available throught the gnome3 ppa?
[01:53] <nathaneltitane> through**
[01:53] <jbicha> nathaneltitane: it's in the regular Ubuntu archives https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-boxes
[01:53] <nathaneltitane> spins are arch dependant anyway, why not include it on 64
[01:54] <nathaneltitane> wanna keep it uniform i suppose throughout the build?
[01:55] <jbicha> nathaneltitane: personally I haven't found it to be that great yet; it was broken during much of the quantal cycle and I only recently got access to a computer w/ hw virtualization
[01:55] <nathaneltitane> seems to run flawless right now for me
[01:55] <nathaneltitane> and im on an alpha btw
[01:56] <jbicha> right, the Boxes devs use Fedora I believe; they definitely don't use Ubuntu
[01:56] <nathaneltitane> lol
[01:57] <nathaneltitane> still pretty powerful
[01:57] <nathaneltitane> out of the box virtualization is very cool
[01:58] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, better than VirtualBox?
[01:58] <nathaneltitane> so far it seems
[01:58] <nathaneltitane> no module config or build
[01:58] <nathaneltitane> click, load, install, boom
[01:59] <everaldo> will try it
[01:59] <nathaneltitane> detects iso through home paths and even enables URIs
[01:59] <jbicha> nathaneltitane: I think the real issue is that you're used to VirtualBox being broken, it usually works pretty well on Ubuntu :)
[02:00] <nathaneltitane> oh no. i sure as hell know how to make it work, but i rather not spend time configuring it
[02:00] <nathaneltitane> :)
[02:00] <jbicha> nathaneltitane: right, it needs 0 configuration on Ubuntu (at least up until 12.04)
[02:00] <nathaneltitane> the OSE one
[02:00] <jbicha> the Debian maintainer does a good job
[02:00] <nathaneltitane> im talking about the prop version
[02:01] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, looks like it uses vnc? is that right?
[02:01] <jbicha> nathaneltitane: but you don't need that, just add the proprietary extension pack
[02:01] <jbicha> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[02:01] <nathaneltitane> mhm
[02:01] <nathaneltitane> good to know
[02:01] <nathaneltitane> seems like it everaldo
[02:02] <jbicha> everaldo: it uses qemu & spice, I don't know about vnc
[02:03] <nathaneltitane> vnc is for the remote machines
[02:04] <everaldo> just looking at code
[02:05] <everaldo> and looks like it opens a vnc session to vm
[02:05] <everaldo> not sure if does it always
[02:05] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, do you have any windows vm ?
[02:05] <nathaneltitane> no
[02:05] <nathaneltitane> i have a dedicated windows machine for work
[02:05] <nathaneltitane> im an industrial designer
[02:06] <nathaneltitane> so i cant do without adobe and autocad and solidworks
[02:06] <everaldo> ah, ok
[02:06] <nathaneltitane> and the only reason i use wine is for MLCAD since i run linux 98% of the time at home
[02:06]  * everaldo loves how vala code looks
[02:07] <nathaneltitane> often heard about vala
[02:07] <nathaneltitane> is it that great?
[02:07] <everaldo> well, the syntax is more clean than glib/gtk/c stuff
[02:07] <nathaneltitane> hmm
[02:08] <everaldo> and you don't need the .h files, it all on .vala code
[02:08] <nathaneltitane> cool
[02:08] <everaldo> and looks like C#/Java
[02:08] <everaldo> but it compiles the .vala in .c/.h and then compile to native code
[02:08] <everaldo> so, don't loose any performance compared to C code
[02:09] <nathaneltitane> thats why. good to know
[02:12] <everaldo> is there any ppa for gnome-boxes?
[02:14] <nathaneltitane> everaldo: he said its in the ubuntu archives
[02:15] <nathaneltitane> or i guess you can just add the ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[02:16]  * everaldo installing gnome-boxes (it is on official archives)
[02:16] <nathaneltitane> cool
[02:16]  * nathaneltitane 
[02:18] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, just working here
[02:18] <nathaneltitane> meaning
[02:18] <nathaneltitane> ?
[02:18] <everaldo> even gnome-shell works perfect
[02:18] <everaldo> I like it
[02:19] <nathaneltitane> es
[02:19] <nathaneltitane> yes
[02:19] <nathaneltitane> i've always had faith in the gnome team
[02:19] <nathaneltitane> they do awesome work
[02:19] <everaldo> theres only one thing that I did not like
[02:19] <nathaneltitane> which is
[02:19] <everaldo> the black window title
[02:20] <everaldo> like other gnome programs
[02:20] <nathaneltitane> theme you mean
[02:20] <everaldo> yes
[02:20] <everaldo> I do prefer the default theme
[02:20] <nathaneltitane> i kind of like it. it does help on the media focus for images and movies
[02:20] <nathaneltitane> *MY* theme is even cooler
[02:21] <everaldo> where it store vms?
[02:22] <nathaneltitane> under ~/.local/share/gnome-boxes
[02:23] <nathaneltitane> brb. going back to live to install :)
[04:02] <darkxst> jbicha, this is quite bizarre, how can policykit-1-gnome possibly be missing, when a number of core gnome things depend on it?
[04:03] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1069104
[04:08] <jbicha> crazy, it sounds like his system is probably fairly broken in that case
[04:08] <darkxst> yeh both logs are quite contridactory as well
[04:09] <darkxst> first one can't find polkit, but is trying to load compiz also
[04:09] <darkxst> second log is failing to load polkit, since an agent is already active
[04:11] <darkxst> some other guy compained about the second issue, in an unrelated bug report
[04:12] <jbicha> well if gnome-shell fails, it would try to fallback to gnome classic which would include compiz if he started from Ubuntu 12.04
[04:13] <darkxst> no that wont happen now
[04:14] <darkxst> fallback is decided by gnome-session right at the start
[04:14] <darkxst> any critical error after that point will crash gnome-shell and stop there
[04:14] <darkxst> (it will probably attempt to respawn though)
[04:21] <darkxst> the only way to hit fallback now is to actually select the session from gdm/lightdm (unless llvmpipe happens to be broken)
[04:28] <jbicha> everaldo: I was told that we might not need to respin, could you or him file the boot bug against grub2?
[04:30] <jbicha> they haven't quite figured out what the problem is as there's only one other similar case of boot failing
[04:30] <jbicha> *known case so far
[04:31] <jbicha> is he running with secure boot?
[04:39] <darkxst> lol, I imagine secure boot will produce more than its fair share of efi bugs!
[04:40] <darkxst> over the next cycle, previously lots of boards were using hybrid modes, that emulate bios for boot, but wont be valid with secure boot
[16:35] <arvicolinae> hello everybody
[16:35] <arvicolinae> a few minutes ago I tried to install the 64 bit ubuntu gnome remix
[16:36] <arvicolinae> but I got the following error: /casper/vmlinuz.efi.signed not found try booting the kernel first
[16:37] <arvicolinae> do you have any suggestions what I could do to get this working?
[16:38] <jbicha> arvicolinae: please file a bug against grub2 with as much information about your hardware as you can?
[16:38] <jbicha> for instance, are you running with Secure Boot?
[16:38] <arvicolinae> ok in the launchpad?
[16:39] <jbicha> yes, you can run ubuntu-bug grub2
[16:39] <arvicolinae> I don't think so
[16:40] <jbicha> the developers are quite interested in trying to figure out why grub is failing to boot unsigned kernels on some machines
[16:40] <arvicolinae> ah ok
[16:41] <arvicolinae> this issue occurs only with the stable release of the gnome remix
[16:41] <arvicolinae> with the beta I had this strange nouveau problem
[16:59] <arvicolinae> which information do I need to provide since I'm running Debian 64 bit at the moment?
[20:04] <darkxst> jbicha, is this efi issue booting the installed system? or the iso?
[20:41] <arvicolinae> hi all
[20:43] <arvicolinae> @jbicha: The Ubuntu developers rejected my bug report because the gnome remix isn't an official ubuntu flavour
[20:44] <arvicolinae> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1069475 for further information
[20:45] <arvicolinae> so who could help me?
[20:55] <darkxst> arvicolinae, does it happen with the normal quantal images?
[20:56] <arvicolinae> I didn't tested
[20:56] <arvicolinae> but I found out that it doesn't happen with the beta version of gnome remix
[20:59] <darkxst> arvicolinae, ok that is strange, can you try with normal ubuntu image
[21:00] <arvicolinae> sure
[21:10] <arvicolinae> see you in a few minutes ;)
[21:13] <darkxst> jbicha, fwiw, I can't even get the ubuntu gnome images to boot at all in vmware efi mode (I don't even get as far as grub ;( )
[21:13] <darkxst> standard quantal release boots fine though
[21:16] <arvicolinae> ok problem didn't occur with normal quantal daily built
[21:16] <arvicolinae> are there daily builts for the gnome remix
[21:16] <arvicolinae> ?
[21:17] <darkxst> no, you have to build it yourself
[21:17] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script
[21:18] <darkxst> grab that, and then run './livecd-script.sh customize amd64 quantal-desktop-amd64.iso'
[21:20] <arvicolinae> ok thanks
[21:21] <arvicolinae> do I have to download all the scripts?
[21:23] <darkxst> yeh, just use 'bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script'
[21:25] <arvicolinae> very nice system ;)
[21:31] <arvicolinae> so this script builds the gnome remix from an normal quantal daily built?
[21:31] <arvicolinae> very cool guys :D
[21:33] <darkxst> yeh
[21:33] <darkxst> and actually all the boot stuff is just copied of the normal quantal image. so it is strange this only occurs for our image
[21:35] <darkxst> arvicolinae, also you should run 'livecd-script.iso clean amd64' each time before re-building image again
[21:35] <arvicolinae> ok what does that do?
[21:36] <arvicolinae> cleaning cache?
[21:36] <darkxst> yeh just cleans up anything left over from the last build
[21:37] <darkxst> if you dont do it, the image ends up twice the size
[21:37] <arvicolinae> hahaha
[21:37] <arvicolinae> ^^
[21:37] <arvicolinae> then I'll better run the command
[21:38] <arvicolinae> how many developers are there for the gnome remix?
[22:16] <arvicolinae> ok, thank you very much
[22:17] <arvicolinae> I'll report tomorrow if I'm successful or not
[22:17] <arvicolinae> good night
[22:44] <nathaneltitane> hello!
[22:46] <nathaneltitane> jbicha: attempted to copy the signed vmlinuz from a standard ubuntu 12.10 amd64 image and the live failed to boot up.. it hung with a blinking cursor. did everaldo's friend copy the whole casper directory or just the file?
[22:47] <darkxst> nathaneltitane, do you get to grub menu?
[22:47] <nathaneltitane> not even
[22:47] <darkxst> ok that is possibly a different issue
[22:47] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, just the file
[22:47] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: i think you are aware of the missing file?
[22:47] <darkxst> our image is missing efi boot entry
[22:47] <nathaneltitane> well that didnt work everaldo
[22:47] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, I am right now checking this bug
[22:48] <nathaneltitane> i mounted the image with file roller and copied it right into the already 'burned' usb casper folder... nada
[22:48] <darkxst> nathaneltitane, yeh but that happens after grub menu
[22:48] <everaldo> well, leave me a mail so I can tell you after finish my tests here (everaldo.canuto@gmail.com)
[22:48] <nathaneltitane> it's the one on the launchpad
[22:48] <nathaneltitane> nathanel.titane@gmail.com
[22:48] <darkxst> some efi bios can't read ISO9660 ;(
[22:49] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: i attempted the boot on an old machine first
[22:49] <nathaneltitane> otherwise guys, the build is flawless
[22:49] <nathaneltitane> it runs on my non efi desk like a boss
[22:50] <everaldo> nathaneltitane, I will leave you a mail when finish my tests
[22:50] <nathaneltitane> i am so very happy about this. :)
[22:50] <nathaneltitane> no prob everaldo
[22:50] <darkxst> nathaneltitane, if you go into efi shell, you will find that it can't read the cd
[22:51] <nathaneltitane> my laptop doesnt have a shell darkxst
[22:51] <nathaneltitane> it's a standard bios interface
[22:51] <nathaneltitane> which makes me beg to ask darkxst : my laptop does offer a boot from device shell
[22:51] <nathaneltitane> how can i get it to do that?
[22:52] <darkxst> so your laptop which is bios, is failing to boot? then that is something different again
[22:52] <nathaneltitane> um no, it is efi, but no shell
[22:53] <nathaneltitane> and the attempt i am talking about was on the machine i am currently running on, standard bios
[22:53] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: my point is: if it is only bios, it shouldve just booted
[22:53] <darkxst> efi will (should) have a shell
[22:54] <nathaneltitane> well, ubuntu and fedora refuse to boot live if i do not isohybrid the images to uefi capable boot
[22:54] <nathaneltitane> and i ran all the efivars tests and efibootmgr tests and it is indeed efi
[22:54] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: i read about the fact that some vendors dismiss the shell due to limited memory
[22:55] <darkxst> ok
[22:56] <darkxst> isohybrid doesnt do efi though
[22:56] <nathaneltitane> yes
[22:56] <nathaneltitane> isohybrid -u
[22:56] <nathaneltitane> i did it for fedora
[22:56] <darkxst> did you try on our image?
[22:56] <nathaneltitane> not yet
[22:57] <nathaneltitane> and ubuntu is uefi capable by default
[22:57] <nathaneltitane> normally
[22:57] <darkxst> nathaneltitane, but like I said we have not included the efi boot entry
[22:57] <nathaneltitane> bc i attempted with a default 12.06 image a montha ago and it booted, which led me to discover isohybrid and run it on the fedora image i wanted to load
[22:57] <nathaneltitane> OH
[22:57] <nathaneltitane> so it does need to be hybridized
[22:58] <nathaneltitane> 12.04**
[22:58] <nathaneltitane> let me try it now and get back to you
[23:00] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296385/
[23:01] <darkxst> nathaneltitane, oh
[23:01] <darkxst> try copy /boot/grub/efi.img
[23:02] <darkxst> to isolinux/efiboot.img
[23:02] <darkxst> inside the iso
[23:04] <nathaneltitane> what was that iso editing tool again?
[23:05] <darkxst> iso master, is one
[23:05] <nathaneltitane> i think thats the one, thanks
[23:07] <darkxst> everaldo, you have a machine that gets to grub and then fails?
[23:10] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: you sait to copy is as what again? sorry, had to log out, couldnt get a lock on apt
[23:11] <nathaneltitane> said*
[23:11] <everaldo> darkxst, no, but I will have it in a couple of hours :)
[23:11] <everaldo> just waiting for machine
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[23:13] <darkxst> everaldo, try adding the following to genisoimage command "-eltorito-alt-boot -e boot/grub/efi.img -no-emul-boot" at the end of the command but before the '.'
[23:13] <nathaneltitane> darkxst: still unable to find efi image
[23:14] <everaldo> darkxst, ok, I will do it
[23:14] <darkxst> nathaneltitane, do you have the iso build script?
[23:15] <nathaneltitane> nope
[23:15] <nathaneltitane> as in livecd-tools&
[23:15] <nathaneltitane> *?
[23:15] <darkxst> no our build script for ubuntu gnome images'
[23:16] <nathaneltitane> nope
[23:16] <nathaneltitane> i guess ill just wait on the spin
[23:17] <darkxst> well it will need testing before we release anything
[23:17] <nathaneltitane> im here for that :)
[23:18] <nathaneltitane> link it up when its ready
[23:18] <darkxst> I just need to work out the correct commands to generate a proper efi image
[23:19] <nathaneltitane> no prob. - take your time
[23:21] <nathaneltitane> be back in a bit
[23:22] <everaldo> darkxst, nathaneltitane, instead of send a mail directly to you guys, will just send to mail list
[23:23] <everaldo> so we can handle
[23:23] <nathaneltitane> k
[23:23] <nathaneltitane> link me to the page plss
[23:35] <darkxst> everaldo, oh an test without the -signed package