[00:00] it has to, yes it's been through canonical first but if you get a request from them for big beach ball and then suddenly a request for a picture of a big beach ball direct from a user you don't need their search term direct to know it was them [00:01] that assumes they click on it [00:01] oh wait, no it doesn't [00:01] nvm :) [00:01] lol [00:01] well, this is why i don't use unity [00:02] so it's flawed, not that I care if amazon knows what I'm searching for [00:02] they also proxy it to filter out adult content [00:02] though i would have throught amazon could do that automatically [00:02] and also because they want those juicy stats [00:02] well no, if amazon did it how would they ever sell the adult products on there? [00:02] well as an optional feed setting [00:03] google adsense can do it [00:03] you can disable adult, gambling, political ads etc [00:03] well the lens is a great idea, but far from ideal in reality [00:03] i don't want a flat search [00:03] It's great as long as you never search for anything in the dash you'd rather keep to yourself [00:03] i want to go to where i know the thing is, then search [00:04] if i want to find a video, i go to youtube and search [00:04] you do, but not everyone is the same [00:04] if i want a file on my hard disk, i open a terminal and run find [00:04] it's much more efficient, and no privacy concerns [00:04] exactly. not everyone is the same [00:04] unity assumes everyone is the same [00:04] that's why i don't use it [00:05] it's great that they are trying to create somethng that's not identical to the crowd, history will decide if it was for the better [00:05] yeah, it's totally nothing like chromeOS :) [00:05] I wouldn't know [00:05] with mac OS style dock and menus [00:06] yes there's overlap, as there is with every os today, but what they are doing with the dash is their own path. For better or worse [00:06] Personally I love it, it's not KDE [00:07] KDE was good until they added plasma and a searchable start menu [00:07] gnome was good until they added a searchable start menu [00:08] * penguin42 is using KDE on his main machine, although I don't like the start menu much [00:08] the key difference between all the new style desktops and all the old style desktops is all the new ones assume they know better than you do, what you want [00:08] ali1234: KDE seems reasonably tweakable these days [00:08] that's what it means when they have a search, rather than the ability to go directly to what you want [00:08] I HATE 3G!!! [00:09] the worst part is when they try to "learn" frm the user [00:09] I want my name back [00:09] so the user is trying to learn the OS and the OS is trying to learn the user [00:09] as a result, both are chasing an ever moving target [00:09] this is not likely to end well [00:10] gareth__: /msg nickserv help ghost [00:10] I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride [00:10] when i try to use unity i have to act dumb and try to forget everything i know === gareth__ is now known as cliftonts [00:11] And I'm back! [00:11] Why does 3g get bored with the conversation and just drop out? [00:11] you have bad signal [00:12] well yes, I do miss gnome 2 sometimes. I love the way they've got bold and started working towards a vision but it is a bit worrying when they strip all the features out [00:12] no, I don't it does this all the time, wherever I am [00:12] cliftonts: That's why I just put MATE on lesser powered machines [00:13] and once it's disconnected it won't reconnect. I have to unplug and plug back in [00:13] I keep meaning to give that new gnome3 respin a test drive [00:13] sounds a lot like me e220. frankly useless :/ [00:13] I never really got the chance to play with the shell [00:14] spot on shauno [00:14] oh no, e173 apparently [00:16] aah, it looks like I was bumped off the network because someone has woken up and fixed it [00:16] I can see web pages again!! [00:18] and on that note I think it's bedtime [00:18] so thanks ali1234 for the inspiration, I'll catch you all next time [01:40] how the fudge did this get 15 different answers? http://askubuntu.com/questions/24946/how-do-i-disable-the-drum-beat-sound-on-the-login-screen [01:41] seriously? i thought ubuntu was supposed to be easy === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [04:58] Hi, we've been using pad.ubuntu-uk.org for development notes, but it appears to be down... Will it be up again in the future? Is there any way to get a copy of our notes somewhat soon? [05:05] popey would know [05:06] it's 6AM on a sunday though, so everyone sensible is sleeping [05:11] Thank you, I'll come back sometime tomorrow morning if the problem isn't solved [05:13] stick around in the channel if you can. someone who knows might wake up in a bit [05:15] Phew, fortunately I had the pad page open in some remote system, and while it got disconnected, I was able to get a screenshot of the top of the list, so I don't mind much anymore :) [05:17] would about there think "Morning," really, which people stuff something through. [05:18] the top 12 most used words in this channel for past 11 days, in order. weird- http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ [05:20] ...for a moment I thought my english failed me, as I could parse the sentence formed by the random words... :D [05:20] *couldn't [05:22] Unity windows after having better server first seems always system getting facebook. [05:23] that actually sums up my opinion of unity pretty well === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [08:24] good morning! [08:24] \o [08:37] hey people... [08:55] AlanBell are you there? [09:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yfXyn8bZcw&feature=youtu.be [09:24] good morning everyone. [09:36] morning brobostigon [09:39] morning jacobw [09:40] Good morning everyone. Could someone please let me know what the new "Install RELEASE" icon on my dash does? Because all it's done so far is cause me trouble. [09:51] morning all [09:51] hello [09:51] Halexander9000: never heard of that one, what does it look like/do? [09:51] morning AlanBell === 36DACBOS8 is now known as malang [10:25] AlanBell: Well, it looks a lot like the Ubuntu installed from the LiveCD I have from a month and a half ago, but after I go through all the steps it's always stuck at "Detecting file systems..." and it doesn't go any further than that. And on top of that, I think it's broken, since it displays "Unable to load pageProblem occurred while loading the URL file:///usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow/slides/index.htmlError opening file: [10:25] Ubuntu installer* [10:26] ok, so um, why are you running it on an installed system? [10:26] normally that doesn't get installed [10:26] it is called ubiquity, you can remove it from the software centre [10:27] Well, yesterday it updated. When I rebooted to complete the updates, this new icon appeared on my dash, and naturally I assumed that a new release of Ubuntu is pending installation. [10:28] hmm, ok, that isn't part of the upgrade process, ubiquity only runs on the live CD really [10:28] The thing is, I installed ubuntu on a mobile drive, and as such I use Rescatux as a boot loader. After the update, I saw a new entry of a new version of linux right beside the old one. [10:28] Used it, and thus here I am. [10:28] what version are you running at the moment? [10:29] So, can I force kill the process then? [10:29] Oh, um... what was the terminal command again? [10:29] For the version check... [10:29] cat /etc/lsb-release [10:30] Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS [10:30] ok, and you want to upgrade to 12.10? [10:31] Yes. And after going through all this trouble, I think I'd rather burn a new disc with the update than trying to fix this installer thing-ama-jiggy. [10:32] Can I force kill the process without any serious consequences? [10:32] sure [10:32] Alrighty then. [10:32] especially if you are going to start again :) [10:32] Cannot kill process with PID 13821 with signal 9. [10:32] Operation not permitted [10:33] Well, that's just wonderfull. [10:33] normally you would go to the software centre and go to edit-software sources and tell it to notify you of any new version (not just LTS) [10:33] then the software updater should offer you the new release and you let it get on with it [10:33] sudo kill -9 13821 [10:34] Oh, neat. Right... um, so, burn a new disc? [10:35] Or do the software center thing? [10:35] your call :) [10:35] Disc it is. [10:36] Thanks for the advice. Have a nice one, ok? Life that is. [10:36] needs to be USB or DVD [10:36] Yup. [10:37] AlanBell: Oh, and what's so new about the new version? [10:37] quite a few fixes in the Unity area, updated versions of various things, it isn't the most dramatic of upgrades [10:38] I see. [10:39] Hey, is having an 8 GB swap partition a good idea on a 1TB mobile hard-drive. [10:40] Because the system Ubuntu is running on is... well it only has 495.6 MB of RAM. [10:41] that sounds fine, you don't really want to be using swap, but it is harmless to have more of it than you need [10:41] ram upgrades are cheap and effective :) [10:42] True. But... I don't know for sure, but I doubt there's any RAM chips available for this old system. At least not the type it needs. [10:44] what is the spec of them? [10:44] And it's not my call when it comes to physical upgrades. I'm just installing ubuntu on that mobile hard-drive so I can backup the owner's files on it without any Windows viruses getting their greedy little fingers on this drive and on top of that so the owner can have a back up OS in case Windows XP decides to die. [10:45] :) [10:45] It's ... complicated. I don't know because I haven't popped the hood yet to look at them. But the system is... 6 to 10 years old? Maybe? [10:46] Question: How do I get a torrent of the latest Ubuntu iso? Usually it was right there in the download page. [10:47] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads [10:48] Thank you! [10:49] There we go... [10:51] AlanBell: I really hope nothing bad will happen with the data I already back-ed up on this drive as long as it's on a different partition, right? [10:51] the installer won't touch partitions you don't tell it to [10:52] so read carefully which partitions it is talking about :) [10:52] I purposefully made it an ntsf partition. So I can't accidentally select it as a root partition. [10:53] But... now that I think of it... it can't seem to read it anymore after the whole "installer" fiasco. [10:53] Did it remain unmounted? [10:54] Because I set it to be permanently mounted in root in a folder called FileStorage [10:54] But the installed asked me to unmount sdb for some reason. [10:54] installer*\ [10:55] Oh dear... [10:56] AlanBell: Um, help? [10:56] Please? [10:57] I don't really know what your situation is [10:57] Ask me anything! Just... help me get that data back. Please! [10:58] why do you think it is gone? [10:59] Because I right clicked the folder where it's supposed to be on and under Contents it says "none" [10:59] I think I feel sick... [11:00] There's nothing in there except a stupid loading animation on my cursor. [11:00] do you think it is mounted there? [11:00] How do I check? [11:00] type mount in a terminal [11:01] Sent the results in a PM addressed to you. [11:02] ok, nothing mounted apart from sdb2 on / [11:02] sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb [11:02] ^^ that will show you what partitions are on the disk [11:03] Done [11:04] /dev/sdb3 278530048 1953458175 837464064 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT <- your data [11:04] how do I mount it back to /FileStorage ? [11:04] so sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /home/Halexander9000/FileSTorage [11:04] How* [11:04] probably [11:04] something like that anyhow [11:05] sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /home/Mihaela/FileStorage ? [11:06] sounds about right [11:06] No... I think I know what the problem is. The mount folder is in root, not in home. Adapting... [11:06] There we go! [11:07] Pardon my french but FRAG YEAH! [11:07] Well then... burning that image to a disc now. [11:11] AlanBell: Thanks for everything! [11:14] AlanBell: Oh, and pardon me for asking, but your user name reminds me of Tron for some reason... [11:15] :) [11:15] * AlanBell wants a light cycle [11:15] * Halexander9000 wants a tron horse. Like the one from the music video by DaftPunk. [11:16] * Halexander9000 or a tron dragon. A Tron-Toothless-Nightfury maybe? [11:16] That would be awesome. [11:16] hehe [11:17] * Halexander9000 is burnin-burnin-done with the disc! [11:17] Ah, check-sum... [11:19] * Halexander9000 is the proud owner of a Ubuntu 12.10 disc now. [11:20] \o/ [11:20] Right, see you later on the grid AlanBell ;) [11:20] Goodbye! [11:26] hey people... just been excited to hear about 12.10... so looked on youtube and theres people not happy with the new release... even some long time supporter has said its a crap release..... should i trust the hype about this ... whats going on ? [11:27] Neoti_Laptop: Some people will always say it's bad [11:27] Neoti_Laptop: specifically what issues are people finding? [11:27] And people who ARE happy tend to make fewer blog posts/youtube videos/etc about it [11:28] I know that there are problems reading the dash with the orca screen reader, I consider that to be a major fault [11:28] however I don't consider the existence of the shopping lens to be a problem at all [11:28] Neoti_Laptop: Give it a go; if the Amazon stuff is the main gripe it's easy to turn off, other than that I don't think there are many problems [11:29] perceptions of a release are different from person to person, I suspect there are people out there who thing different things are important to them [11:29] sloness in searchs due to amazone. (yes it can be turned off.) nvidia drivers causing problems... 3 people listed the amd start up error as a bug... etc... [11:29] which AMD startup error? [11:29] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks vs http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsTheSameNowItSucks [11:29] sorry about spelling.... lol [11:29] ok, I don't have nvidea or AMD so I don't think those problems are important :) [11:29] @AlanBell - Lolz.... [11:30] all about perception :) [11:30] yep... [11:30] the amazon search seems kind of quick to me, but I have 70Mbit broadband [11:30] i was about to upgrade, but i think i'll leave it for a bit... maybe until 12.04 or something ... [11:30] im happy with 12.04..... [11:31] I do think that the amazon turn off switch has been terribly badly implemented, but I think they will do better soon [11:31] you don't have to upgrade [11:31] AlanBell: I guess it was a bit of a rush job [11:31] I think unity is better generally in 12.10 than 12.04 [11:31] penguin42: yeah, and they did it the hard way that doesn't work [11:32] AlanBell: I think the llvmpipe stuff isn't necessarily stable yet; so people who were on unity-2d may have a significant amount of pain [11:32] both of them will be most upset [11:32] AlanBell: It's not that unusual [11:32] llvmpipe will happen in virtualbox and on computers more than about 7 years old [11:32] AlanBell: Lots of people used unity-2d [11:34] oh, and USB displaylink devices [11:34] but apart from that, not having a GPU is a bit of an edge case [11:35] there are some things that don't correctly use the powerful GPU that they have [11:35] like some ARM boards [11:35] AlanBell: There were also people who found unity-2d more stable with the closed graphics drivers/cards they had, and/or found it more responsive [11:36] but in almost all cases you are better off throwing the "move lots of pixels about" job to the GPU and saving the CPU for important stuff [11:36] hahaha the UDS hotel showers [11:36] Laney: ? [11:36] see Daviey @ G+ [11:37] penguin42: sure, there are situations where the GPU doesn't get properly used, those situations should be fixed rather than moving the task to other silicone [11:37] silicon [11:37] do I want to look at a picture of Daviey in the shower?? [11:37] AlanBell: Yep, I'm just saying that dropping -2d forces peoples hand, which to force things to get fixed isn't necessariyl bad, but it'll get a group of people with broken situations [11:39] yeah [11:39] gnome shell is a good alternative to unity-2d [11:39] Laney: oh wow [11:39] AlanBell: That's also requiring 3d now isn't it? [11:40] I daresay they look slightly worse than brussels [11:41] penguin42: err, good point, it uses llvmpipe too on non-3d situations [11:42] it is faster than unity for the unfashionable, but still used task of "running an application that I have on my computer and I want to run" [11:43] AlanBell: Yeh, I'd noticed in a vm gnome3's shell was pretty responsive - unity seems to trigger an X (server) crash in kvm pretty reliably every few minutes in Quantal as well which is unfortunate [11:43] afternoon, all [11:44] not tried unity in KVM yet, don't think there would be any accelleration there [11:44] AlanBell: Correct, no acceleration [11:44] the virtualbox stuff should work but I think unity is broken and doesn't use it [11:44] AlanBell: It's certainly a heck of a lot more stable than in the Alpha's and Beta's - during the Alpha's the KVM guests were crashing seconds after login [11:45] wonder what virtualisation the Canonical folk use [11:45] AlanBell: I can't remember the bug number, but the current KVM one seemed to be a pretty repeatable xserver bug [11:46] or is it all done on hardware, which would explain why the alt/super key grabbing hasn't been addressed [11:53] AlanBell: You'd think the devs would be trying new versions on their laptops without breaking there main install [12:17] Hi.. I think I may have messed up (denial), and just lost 700mb of data on my external. My external drives keep changing it's partition format to Fat32 or something other than NTFS (which is what I always set it to), and I just tried to change it back, and basically it deleted all my stuff. While I admit this is probably my fault, is there a way to undo/recover my information - I changed it via gparted. [12:33] Supermanintights: It's an odd thing for a drive to change its format by itself === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:45] it's happened 3x on two different USB drives [12:46] granted the latest one is my fault trying to reverse the change, but my external drives have a tendency to just change format. Normally to 'unformatted' [12:46] which is the case for my 2tb drive that has been unused for about 18 months :( [12:56] Supermanintights: Interesting, I've been helping someone with a USB external drive corruption he's seeing; he's tracked it a long way - he thinks he's currently got it down to only happening on Ubuntu desktop installs but not server, and has some wireshark captured traces [12:56] Supermanintights: So, what do you think you actually did with gparted - just changed the partition table or something more than that? [12:57] with gparted, I just tried to change it from msdos fat32 to ntfs, but didn't consider I'd lose my data (I've changed partition type without loss of data once before, but I don't remember the specifics) [12:57] so unmouted, right click, format, then ntfs. I feel more and more retarded everytime I think about it. [12:58] Regarding the corruption in the past - it's happened on ubuntu and windows, and seems to be random - it works, I turn laptop off, turn it on the next day and it's just changed itself to unformatted - but if I get a recovery software (windows), I can actually recover the data without any loss [13:00] someone on the ubuntu main has told me to do a dd thing to try and image the disc as part of backup, but terminal seems to just be sat working since I ran it. [13:06] Supermanintights: If you did format as ntfs I suspect you've lost it; there might be some recovery stuff that can pull blocks apart individually, but I don't know which bits an ntfs overwrites [13:07] Supermanintights: Tell me a bit about the drive ? [13:07] the corrupted? well it's been two drives [13:07] both WD [13:07] the first one (and the one I just screwed today) is a Western Digital 1TB MyBook [13:07] are they WD branded external drives, or are they WD drives in a 3rd party enclosure? [13:07] ah ok, all WD branded [13:09] the 2tb (the one that's been set as unformatted for 18 months is a WD 2TB Essentials [13:09] Supermanintights: Changing the partition type should be fairly safe, reformatting is a bad idea [13:10] Supermanintights: It's also really odd to have a change like that happen rather than just a more random corruption; what's the host machine and are the drives externally powered or via a hub? [13:10] all I did was right click, format as NTFS [13:11] which change - normally, it corrupts/changes by going from formatted (normally NTFS) to 'unformatted' (according to ubuntu when I check it out) [13:11] this one was where it changed itself from NTFS to MS DOS / FAT32 [13:11] ah ok, sorry I thought you said it went from NTFS to Fat [13:12] yeh, the formatted to unformatted makes sense as a corruption; the NTFS-fat is a bit weirder [13:12] this time it did, which was weird, because I never use FAT32, except as a tiny partition if I'm transferring to my PS3 [13:12] but this was my entire drive - and I'd not touched it for a while as it was left at home. All my data was still on it, but it was just formatted as MSDOS according to win7, when I checked it out in Gparted, it was set to FAT32 [13:13] Supermanintights: MSDOS and FAT32 are approximately the same [13:14] It's not like I even abuse the drives, I don't tend to touch them mostly, they're just left in my laptop for the most part [13:14] (they're external ones that have a plug) [13:15] Supermanintights: And what's the laptop out of interest? [13:15] the ntfs-fat change, I hadn't used this drive in about 12 months, I knew there was data on there, but just hadn't ever needed to use it until my laptop crashed and I went to back it up, but when certain files kept failing to transfer (my large ones) - thats when I looked into it and saw the format change. [13:16] Toshiba Satellite A-500 [13:16] (17-X) [13:17] ok [13:17] hmm [13:17] that's a weird set of problems [13:17] (as was the problem described by the other person) [13:18] yup, the fact it just corrupts itself is weird - but to have it change as ntfs-fat32 is just weird, especially as all my data is there - and there's more data on there than was space on my laptop, so I definitely hadn't changed it myself and forgot about it (not that I'd ever need to) [13:26] ok, so it appears to have made an image back up of my drive. I've no idea what to do with it but now I'm going to try and recover this [13:27] Supermanintights: so you have one file which contains the entire disk, with partition table etc? [13:27] ironically, I just backed up everything from my dead laptop onto that that I needed, and my laptop won't even boot a live usb of ubuntu for me to go back and recover it again if needed [13:27] Supermanintights: If so, kpartx is your friend. [13:27] I assume so. I followed advice from someone else [13:27] sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/backup.dd bs=4M [13:27] That was the command I ran [13:27] yup [13:27] then your _entire drive_ is in backup.dd [13:28] it's 55gb - does that seem right size for you? [13:28] if your disk is 60GB.. [13:28] :( [13:28] it's 1tb capacity, there was at least 750gb at the last count [13:30] This is one of those moments where I really wish I could just wake up and start the day again. [13:30] talk to SuperEngineer [13:30] ;) [13:30] Supermanintights: Are you sure sdb was the right drive to backup? [13:30] Supermanintights: If you're seeing this many things going south, I'd really suggest running a memtest for a few hours [13:31] I think so - that's what it said on Gparted, but 55gb seems to be closer for the amount of data that's on my main disk [13:32] 62.95GiB used on my main drive - but it says /dev/sda(1) on gparted [13:32] what does 'file backup.dd' say? [13:32] Do i type that in terminal? [13:33] yes, without the '' [13:33] backup.dd: ERROR: cannot open `backup.dd' (No such file or directory) [13:33] (sorry if I'm supposed to use pastebin on that) [13:33] Type the full path to your backup file :) [13:33] instead of just "backup.dd" [13:34] Supermanintights: Don't worry about using pastebin unless it's more than about 3 lines [13:34] "/backup.dd: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, starthead 254, startsector 2, 1952151550 sectors, code offset 0xb8 [13:34] " [13:35] ah [13:35] * Supermanintights hopes that is a good 'ah' [13:35] Supermanintights: it's a partial backup (first 55GB) of your 1TB disk [13:35] oh, ok [13:35] 1952151550 * 512 bytes = 999501593600 bytes =~ 1TB [13:36] both my internal and my external drives are 1tb if that makes a difference [13:36] how can I back up the next several 55gb? [13:36] the disk named "sdb" [13:36] by not backing up to / but to the place where you mounted a disk that's big enough to hold everything :) [13:37] (so the same "dd if=" thing, but instead of "/backup.dd" use "/where-ever-you-mounted/backup.dd") [13:38] is that just the 750gb - or the full 1tb, I've had more than what's currently on there in the past, this is probably that drive's 4th reincarnation if that makes sense [13:39] anyone noticed when a window takes focus, the bar at the top is not for the window.. [13:39] Supermanintights: full 1TB, but there are ways to back up only the "used" space [13:39] eg: I plug my phone in, and a nautilis window pops up with the files right. Click the X and the previous window (chrome) closed. [13:39] dogmatic69: ooh, annoying :) Never seen that myself [13:40] dogmatic69: I've seen the popup come up without focus, so Alt+F4 would close the wrong window [13:40] very. Even though it has 'focus' I have to click in the window before the top bar is showing the correct thing. [13:40] MartijnVdS: ye, I think that is the same thing. [13:40] its on top but does not actually have focus. [13:40] dogmatic69, granted this is on ubuntu, but I know that similar can happen with windows if an app is 'always on top' but you say have clicked another window behind and alt+f4 - that may be completely twaddle but it might be relevant [13:41] Supermanintights: no, there is def something strange going on. [13:41] Say this second window just poped up. and its small so you can still see other windows behind. [13:41] no matter what you click that new window will not go away. [13:41] you have to first click it to have 'proper focus' and then click away. [13:42] dogmatic69: I use sloppy focus, I thought my bug was related to that [13:43] what is sloppy focus? [13:43] maybe I have that too. [13:43] dogmatic69: focus-follows-mouse [13:44] (but don't unfocus when mouse is over desktop) [13:45] ah, dont think I have that. [14:01] so *thats* what that fuse is connected to [14:05] AlanBell: ? [14:06] AlanBell: Wiring mysteries? [14:06] yeah, was fixing a fan in the bathroom [14:06] flicked the wrong switch in the consumer unit earlier and reset my server [14:08] * MartijnVdS had them all labelled when they replaced the kitchen [14:08] all computers should have a small laptop battery in them [14:08] (and added a few new outlets) [14:09] yeah, I have three labeled "sockets" [14:09] will be clarifying those lables later :) [14:09] AlanBell: you know the small UPSes APC sells right? :) [14:09] http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-GR&total_watts=200 [14:09] Afternoon all. Can a few of you try this for me and see if it breaks? http://web-dev.libertus.co.uk/vdash/ [14:10] TheOpenSourcerer: looks very nice [14:10] You can click on the chart or the table to the right. [14:10] AlanBell: or, the UK version: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-UK&total_watts=300 [14:10] TheOpenSourcerer: some UTF8 issue for the £ signs [14:11] MartijnVdS: that is the wrong side of the transformer though [14:11] the UPS should be on the low voltage DC side [14:12] AlanBell: You plug your PC into the UPS, which plugs into the wall.. so if the wall loses power it doesn't matter as much [14:12] but hmm. DC side UPS [14:12] That would rock [14:12] TheOpenSourcerer: Yeh, I'm seeing the same blob for the the £ [14:13] OK - So where do I fix that then? The data is in a MySQL db and is UTF-8 encoded? [14:13] MartijnVdS: yeah, the UPS is a 12v battery (normally) but they step it up to 240 and make it AC just to turn it back again [14:14] TheOpenSourcerer: in the doctype perhaps? [14:14] Ah ha. [14:15] $mysqli->set_charset("utf8") [14:15] TheOpenSourcerer: in firefox if I go to dev tools - character encoding and select western rather than utf-8 I get £ signs [14:15] Should be OK now. [14:16] yes, is OK now [14:16] TheOpenSourcerer: You can do arbitrary html injection on the parameter [14:16] But does it do anything? [14:16] TheOpenSourcerer: http://web-dev.libertus.co.uk/vdash/?ind=Penguin+Cleaner%3CH1%3EHello%3C/H1%3E [14:16] TheOpenSourcerer: It just gets included [14:17] lol [14:17] Pip pip! [14:17] It's Alan Hour! [14:18] This is going into Job Centres I think so I doubt many will know what SQL injection is, but thanks. I will do a bit more screening. [14:18] The db user only has SELECT though. [14:18] TheOpenSourcerer: you're using parameterized queries, I hope? :) [14:18] Yes. [14:18] TheOpenSourcerer: someone could send someone a URL with javascript in the URL that loads nasty stuff from that domain if that domain is a trusted one [14:18] then that bit is safe :) [14:19] AlanBell: Say that in English please? [14:20] http://web-dev.libertus.co.uk/vdash/?ind=job%3Cscript%3Ewindow.alert%28%22evil%20stuff%20goes%20here%22%29%3C/script%3E [14:20] \o/ Alans [14:20] ok. I see. Thanks. [14:20] * popey is making the most of free booze at the airport [14:20] Will clean up the $_REQUEST processor [14:20] popey: That's the fuel! [14:21] popey: Free booze? You must be a frequent flyer ;) [14:21] lo popey [14:21] this is the _best_ lounge I have ever been in [14:21] games room lounge, those silly hanging chairs from the 60s [14:21] did I mention the booze? :) [14:22] popey: which airport? [14:22] LHR T3 [14:23] TheOpenSourcerer: The trick would be to mail someone something like 'Hey, this job we were talking about