[00:11] <derekv> like, i want a sit-stand workstations setup
[00:11] <derekv> -s
[00:11] <derekv> but
[00:12] <derekv> i don't care about haveing an entire desk that raises up
[00:12] <derekv> i hardly even need a desk
[00:12] <derekv> i find it silly
[00:12] <derekv> i just need a place for keyboard, mouse, monitors
[01:38] <rick_h_> derekv: the other thing to think about is the fold up table top
[01:38] <rick_h_> I almost did that before I bought my geekdesk
[01:38] <rick_h_> or even something like http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mcpace/the-stand-up-desk-kit
[01:39] <rick_h_> http://www.ergotron.com/ProductsDetails/tabid/65/PRDID/379/language/en-US/Default.aspx are kind of cool
[01:40] <rick_h_> http://www.squidoo.com/folding-wall-mounted-desk is kidn of the flip wall mount I mean
[01:41] <rick_h_> but I will say I consider my geekdesk worth every penny
[02:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, the release party was tonight
[02:35] <snap-l> thought you were busy, so didn't make too many noises about it
[02:36] <rick_h_droid> yea didn't get back from baptism party until 7pm
[02:36] <rick_h_droid> I just thought the party was tomorrow
[02:36] <rick_h_droid> told jcastro I thought it was doh
[02:37] <snap-l> jcastro_ and Jill made it out
[02:38] <snap-l> jcastro_: Dude, did not realize what happened with Queensryche. Apparently there's now two bands under that moniker?
[02:38] <rick_h_droid> ah that's good then. Would have hated to mess it up for them
[11:31] <tony-smlr> The Sunday Morning Linux Review Podcast is Live!  http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=IZKUSyj_wqY
[13:58] <snap-l> good morning
[17:24] <derekv> rick_h_droid: so on the desk thing yea I found geekdesk a bit later it is at least priced better relative to another company i was looking at
[17:24] <rick_h_droid> derekv yea and if you just get the legs you save a bunch. I just out s solid core door on top
[17:25] <rick_h_droid> cuts over 100 off of it
[17:25] <derekv> I have a vision of a system that mounts on a pole, the wall or the ceiling and you can move it around, tilt it etc, with keyboard, mouse trays on independant arms and a decent number of monitors
[17:26] <derekv> there's a company tnat makes a system that is a pole then you buy monitor mounts and keyboard mounts etc for it
[17:27] <derekv> not cheap though ... its not like having a desk surface is a problem, it just seems unneeded
[17:28] <rick_h_droid> yea once I got mi
[17:29] <rick_h_droid> monitors on arms it's nice to have dual displays and sucj
[17:29] <rick_h_droid> just stand up and sit down easy without changing or moving things on the desk
[17:29] <derekv> yea so I thought the easy thing is to get the geekdesk and then some monitor arms for dual monitors
[17:30] <derekv> any monitor past 2 can just sit on its own stand
[17:30] <derekv> the arms could give any extra height and some tilt if I want it
[17:31] <rick_h_droid> yea true. just they clear the desk, make room for the dock under them etc
[17:35] <derekv> gah
[17:35] <rick_h_> gah?
[17:35] <Blazeix> gah.
[17:35] <derekv> gary bernhardt's tweet that the entire process model, kernel, and language (all of them) is broken for distributed systems
[17:35] <derekv> then he tweets that fist thing is to replace everything with bytcode
[17:36] <rick_h_> :)
[17:36] <derekv> and i threw up a little
[17:36] <rick_h_> yea, gary you have to follow with a salt-lick of salt
[17:36] <rick_h_> <3 usb3
[17:36] <rick_h_> backing up the system to prepare for reinstall wheee
[17:37] <rick_h_> can backup my whole system faster than download that iso
[17:38] <derekv> do you think he's not serious or just into bad ideas?  ive never watched his screencasts but i saw him at strangeloop
[17:38] <derekv> he was advocating for disruptive change
[17:38] <derekv> so i was curious what his ideas might be
[17:41] <derekv> i'm finding likely that while perhaps disruptive change is good, he's not the right guy to direct it
[17:42] <rick_h_> he's just ecentric
[17:42] <rick_h_> he has good ideas, but is also in an ideal world
[17:42] <rick_h_> and has lots of time to do this kind of researchy idealogical type stuff
[17:45] <derekv> yea
[17:46] <derekv> lets build the second system, lets make it ... perfect
[17:46] <rick_h_> man, are there any good movies :/
[17:46] <rick_h_> right, and make it my vision of perfect
[17:46] <rick_h_> I mean the guy's spent time ripping apart the ruby language to fix things that bug him
[17:46] <rick_h_> it takes a special person to go into that
[17:47] <rick_h_> smart, crazy, etc
[17:48] <derekv> frankly i'd like to be in that position
[17:48] <rick_h_> yea, it's cool in some ways
[17:48] <derekv> thats one career outcome i'd call santisfactory
[17:48] <rick_h_> but I honestly like building things
[17:49] <derekv> you need a mix of both
[17:49] <rick_h_> so I don't think I could spend that much time in the low levels of that stuff without going a little nuts
[17:49] <derekv> yea .. afk
[17:49] <rick_h_> but yea, I'd love to have time to really just tinker and see what comes of certain things more than the 'what's required to get x project done' way
[18:04] <derekv> a lot of time gets waisted by people getting overly idealistic or academic
[18:04] <derekv> but it is insignificant compaired to the time waisted by all the times people put up with something thats wrong because fixing it isn't required to get x project done
[18:06] <derekv> i need some chow
[18:06] <derekv> bbl
[19:28] <derekv> caffiene
[19:28] <derekv> i love it
[19:29] <derekv> i'm afriad I'm going to have to give it up at some point, I can tell it effects me differently then it used to
[19:35] <rick_h_> yea
[19:35] <rick_h_> I go through waves with it
[19:35] <rick_h_> and the delivery mechanism
[19:37] <derekv> yea maybe i should just stop mainlining it
[19:37] <derekv> people get the wrong idea when they see all the tracer marks
[19:47] <brousch> I am off it
[19:47] <brousch> Now it makes me sweaty and gives me angina
[19:50] <derekv> http://superuser.com/questions/124336/mac-os-x-keyboard-shortcuts-for-terminal <- derek makes another mark on the "to not buy macbook again" column
[19:51] <derekv> so
[19:51] <derekv> its hypocritcal coming from me because i've never been able to settle with one eviroment long enought to really learn its full potiental , like shortcuts etc
[19:51] <derekv> and customize it
[19:52] <derekv> but with the work , pair programming thing
[19:52] <derekv> makes it impossible
[19:53] <derekv> the obvious solution if it were not for having to deal with work computers would be to customize all my stuff
[19:53] <derekv> so I could mess with terminal on mac, or just not use mac, or install zsh and customize that
[19:54] <derekv> nvm
[19:54] <derekv> i don't know what my point is
[19:58] <derekv> I think it was that I'm frustrated by the three way trade off between working with others, customizing and optimizing your enviroment, and working in different enviroments
[19:59] <derekv> Another aspect is the desire to fix up my home work space
[19:59] <derekv> but I probably won't spend more than 5 or 10 hours a week using it
[20:14] <rick_h_> meh, script and git repos and customize your crap to be effecient
[21:08] <brousch> If everyone would just use Eclipse this wouldn't be a problem
[21:18] <brousch> Damn Detroit http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/21/michigan-police-investigate-series-shootings-involving-cars-on-busy-roads/?test=latestnews
[21:28] <brousch> rick_h_: It may be my imagination, but the ubuntu-michigan membership I just approved seemed to go much faster than before
[22:26] <rick_h_> brousch: must be a good day :P
[22:26] <brousch> I haven't done it in months, so I will blame you for the new speed
[22:27] <rick_h_> brousch: excellent, send a message to my boss please
[22:28] <rick_h_> he'll wonder how my UI work on private projects effected user approval, but I'll take it
[22:35] <brousch> darn