[00:13] <Quelp> unit193: Sorry for bothering you, but does the thunderbird messaging integration work for you with the packages you posted before?
[00:15] <Unit193> Haven't opened it, but it is installed and was in the menu, so let me check.
[00:16] <Unit193> Quelp: Yep.
[00:16] <Quelp> There is the mail, new mail and contacts button but new mails won't get shown for me
[00:16] <Unit193> Doesn't seem to light up, though.
[00:17] <Unit193> I lied, it does.
[00:24] <puff> I'm trying to instal a package that depends on libxprintapputil1 and libxprintutil1, but they're not found.  But google turns up this page which seems to suggest I *should* be finding it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/i386/libxprintutil1
[00:25] <puff> Oh, I'm on xubuntu 11.10 apparently (dunno how that happened, I *was* on 11.4... unless it was the safe-upgrade I just did last night).
[00:27] <Quelp> Anyway, with the thunderbird package from precise it works fine.
[00:28] <Quelp> But i hope the packages will be maintained for xubuntu 12.10 soon :)
[01:43] <craigbass1976> I'm trying to boot to a livecd.  I see the little man logo, and a keyboard, then nothing.  I'm assuming it eventually lands on the "run livecd or install" screen, but I can't see anything.  Any ideas?
[01:44] <GridCube> when you see that little man logo, press any key on the keyboard
[01:45] <GridCube> you should see the pre-boot menu, it gives you more options to boot
[02:04] <Shirakawasuna> anyone know how to get the thunderbird mail indicator back? My googling is not working out aside from rumors of the messaging indicator being gone - though it tends to not mention thunderbird / any fixes
[02:06] <Unit193> Messaging indicator does include thunderbird.
[02:12] <Shirakawasuna> Cool. The messages I saw said that 12.10 didn't have that indicator any more, though
[02:12] <Shirakawasuna> maybe they're wrong?
[02:13] <ManiacTwister> Unfortunately they aren't
[02:13] <Unit193> If you like unsupported methods, you can get it to work by installing a few packages from precise and setting a hold. :P
[02:25] <Shirakawasuna> darn
[02:25] <Shirakawasuna> I like being able to see if new mail is in :/. Maybe there's a thunderbird extension that does the job
[02:30] <vitina> hi folks, I just installed xubuntu 11.04 on my k55 asus laptop and I can't make the fn keys to work
[02:30] <vitina> tried a lot of solutions from the forums
[02:30] <vitina> but still can't set the brightness and my eyes are burning
[02:31] <vitina> can anybdy help me, please?
[02:37] <kcxzero> vitina, is there something else besides the brightness you test the fn keys with? Like the volume for example. I ask because it may be working and it may just be the brightness that's not working
[02:37] <kcxzero> Otherwise check to make sure you have the right keyboard layout in settings manager > keyboard > layout
[02:37] <Unit193> Shirakawasuna: As I said, all depends on how much you want it. :P
[02:38] <vitina> none of the fn combinations work except for turning screen off
[02:38] <vitina> I tested the key and it seems it doesn't have a scan code
[02:38] <vitina> so yes, it's not only a problem with the brightness
[02:39] <vitina> it's the fn key
[02:39] <kcxzero> ok, so the keyboard layout probably isn't set to the right one.
[02:40] <vitina> maybe, I'll check on the forums which layout might be the correct for my laptop
[02:40] <vitina> it is curently set to generi 105 key (intl) pc
[02:41] <kcxzero> yeah. that's the default. I'm using a desktop and that's what mines even set to.
[02:42] <kcxzero> why don't you try the "asus laptop" one.
[02:43] <kcxzero> do you have "use system defaults" ticked?
[02:43] <vitina> yep, tried that, still doesn't work
[02:43] <kcxzero> ok
[02:43] <vitina> should I reboot first?
[02:43] <vitina> it's unticked
[02:43] <kcxzero> was it unticked before you changed anything?
[02:43] <vitina> nope
[02:44] <vitina> brb, I'm gonna reboot
[02:44] <kcxzero> ok, just asking because "use system defaults" usually works for most system. So I just wanted to make sure that was already tried.
[02:46] <vitina> I'm sorry, I missed the last you said already pressed reboot
[02:46] <vitina> (still doesn't work :( )
[02:47] <kcxzero> I just said "ok, just asking because "use system defaults" usually works for most system. So I just wanted to make sure that was already tried."
[02:49] <kcxzero> definitely seems like a common issue, I found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/53507/fn-keys-f9-f12-do-not-work-on-an-asus-u30sd Unfortunately, I besides the key layout I don't really have anymore advice. I'd go with sticking around here see if anyone else can help and posting on the forum.
[02:50] <vitina> hey, thank you for your time, much appreciated
[02:50] <vitina> I'll check that link
[02:50] <vitina> and also some say it might be a problem with asus' bios
[02:51] <vitina> I'll look into that too
[02:51] <vitina> thanks again :D
[02:51] <vitina> bye
[02:52] <jrzabott> Unit193: Hello... just to thank you... mt xcfe is working perfectly... I've used the 'install xcfe' feature... everythjing runs smooth now. :)
[02:53] <Unit193> Great, glad we could help.
[02:54] <jrzabott> Unit193:  My plasure. =)
[02:54] <Guest66773> in my xubuntu touchpad settings revert to default after reboot whic disables touchpad tapping, does anyone know how to fix this?
[02:54] <jrzabott> Good night everybody..
[03:36] <xubuntu167> I need help!
[03:38] <Naru> I have an HP Pavilion DV8000. I just installed the latest Xubuntu version on it. I DO NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS (Wired or wireless). My wifi does not turn on and I can not access any wifi signals (nor see them). Please help!
[03:40] <Naru> I have an HP Pavilion DV8000. I just installed the latest Xubuntu version on it. I DO NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS (Wired or wireless). My wifi does not turn on and I can not access any wifi signals (nor see them). Please help!
[03:42] <holstein> Naru: lets talk about what device you have
[03:42] <holstein> !broadcom
[03:43] <holstein> i bet its broadcom... you can check from that site ^^ there are instructions for "no internet access"
[06:23] <Quelp> Does anyone here use sublime-text2 under Quantal? For some reason the view "hangs" up as soon as i click/scroll/write in the window. Look here: http://imagebin.org/232689  The lines gets repeated and the scrollbar too..
[06:40] <Quelp> For the record: Activating Compositing in the Window Settings of Xfce fixed it.
[08:32] <Yotson> hi all. trying to replace thunar with pcmanfm here. First question would be, is it possible to get rid of thunar while still automounting volumes and so on?
[08:39] <baizon> Yotson: yes
[08:39] <baizon> just remove thunar
[08:40] <Yotson> cool. thanks baizon. did that, in software center. installed pcmanfm as well. some hickups remain.
[08:44] <Yotson> in the menu -> accessories, 2 entries of 'filemanager'. On the desktop, trash, file system, Home and external volumes 'don't work'. "Folder could not be opened. The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files."
[08:45] <Yotson> how would i get rid of one of those 2 entries of 'filemanager'? And what to do about those desktop shortcuts that throw the error?
[08:50] <baizon> Settings-Settings Manager-Preferred Applications-Utilities and change File Manager section from the menu
[08:51] <baizon> Yotson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Changing_Your_Default_File_Manager
[08:51] <Yotson> yup. got that set to pcmanfm.
[08:51] <Yotson> ah nice. linky. thanks again baizon
[08:51] <baizon> np
[09:21] <xubuntu418> hello
[09:21] <xubuntu418> hi
[09:24] <baizon> hi hi
[09:24] <baizon> !hi | xubuntu418
[09:29] <xubuntu418> sqlqm
[09:29] <xubuntu418> salam
[09:43] <Yotson> ok, at least some progress. managed to remove one of the 2 file manager entries from the menu. still no luck with the home/filesystem/trash/volume shortcuts on the desktop though.
[09:43] <Yotson> spits out "The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files "
[09:59] <suttiwit> hmm...
[09:59] <suttiwit> hi there
[09:59] <baizon> hi hi
[10:00] <suttiwit> what are the bug fixes of ubuntu 12.10?
[10:00] <suttiwit> xubuntu*
[10:01] <baizon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzkJ-zaa1bc
[10:02] <suttiwit> kk
[10:03] <schreber> Has anyone been experiencing numerous application crashes or odd behaviors in xubuntu 12.10?
[10:04] <suttiwit> nothing is stopping me from working my way writing over 100 lines of C Code. schreber
[10:04] <Yotson>  /not/ caused by me, the user? nope. :)
[10:04] <baizon> schreber: for example?
[10:05] <schreber> suttiwit: It's not stopping me either but I thought it strange that I don't recall any random crashes in 12.04 nor did I experience a disappear trashcan
[10:05] <schreber> like yesterday it was there then the next gone, log out then log in again and it's back or logging in an hour or so back the first thing that happened was appfinder crashed
[10:07] <schreber> I'll admit I'm nit picking but the behavior is an usual one for me.
[10:38] <overhead> hello guise, I want to say that I have been using Xubuntu for a while and I am not so happy with the support for certain audio devices. Therefore, I will use an other distro but just wanted to say it was a good time using Xubuntu. Bye
[10:43]  * Kagee moves his audio streams from the bluetooth headset to the SP/DIF and on to the USB headset
[10:43]  * Kagee shakes his head
[10:53] <Yotson> any ideas/new keywords for this "The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files " thingy? my searching/google comes up with loads of 'almost working' solutions.
[11:23] <suttiwit> hey yotson, mind a pm?
[11:23] <Yotson> why not in here?
[11:23] <suttiwit> uh.. ok, fine
[11:24] <suttiwit> do you think yo can pastebin me your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:24] <suttiwit> your
[11:25] <Yotson> not sure why but sure.
[11:25] <suttiwit> why: because I am making a kind of tweak tool to convert IPv4 repo to IPv6 repo.
[11:26] <suttiwit> i need yours as a sample...
[11:27] <Yotson> http://pastebin.com/0hCX0AMe there you go.
[11:27] <suttiwit> thank you, Yotson.
[11:28] <suttiwit> :)
[11:28] <Yotson> np. :)
[11:32] <Yotson> still no luck here with that filemanager stuff. i did manage to break/nuke the desktop though. lol
[11:53] <nantou> I need to copy ALL the information of my laptop, with all symlinks, respecting tree structure and hidden files, etc, to a new 1 TB HDD. Then I will take the 360 GB out of the laptop, put in the 1TB HDD and use it as the regular HDD, can that be done? please paste links or suggest search terms
[11:53] <nantou> GRUB too
[11:55] <nantou> 2 windows virtualizations...
[12:05] <TheSheep> nantou: suggested search terms: dd, tar
[12:08] <nantou> is backing up the entire list what I have to do TheSheep ?
[12:08] <TheSheep> nantou: list?
[12:09] <nantou> oops
[12:09] <nantou> is backing up the entire HD what I have to do TheSheep ?
[12:09] <nantou> dd if=/dev/hda of=/server_mount/hda.dd
[12:10] <TheSheep> nantou: except I would write it to the new disk directly
[12:10] <TheSheep> nantou: the problem is with the parition table, it would be the wrong size
[12:10] <nantou> ok, im starting a thread
[12:10] <TheSheep> nantou: so I guess a better approach would be to create partitions of the same sizes on the new disk, and dd-ing them separately
[12:11] <nantou> this looks like its going to involve a series of cimplicated steps
[12:11] <TheSheep> but personally, I would just tar up my home directory and any data I need, install new system on the new hdd and untar it there
[12:12] <nantou> o...
[12:12] <nantou> gtg now, but ill be back with more questions
[12:21] <josy1982> how i can configure automatic updates?
[12:44] <suttiwit> I didn't know the media player on xubuntu can play a tracker music... :P
[12:44] <suttiwit> Well, I've got schism tracker though :p
[12:53] <xubuntuInstallat> Hey
[12:54] <xubuntuInstallat> I was wondering if someone can help me. I am currently installing Xubuntu 12.10 and it is stuck for a while at "Restoring previous installed packages". Should I continue to wait?
[13:13] <recon_lap> xubuntuInstallat: no, I'd skip it if it get stuck, probably not really important
[13:23] <xubuntuInstallat> recon_lap: thanks but I could not skip it. I waited and now it seems like it skipped it on its own.
[14:03] <nantou> please confirm that I can make an exact copy of my hard drive with http://www.aboutdebian.com/tar-backup.htm, target directory will be in a brand new 1TB HD that will be, in the end, be inserted in lieu of the present 360GB HD
[14:04] <Mathias> yup
[14:06] <nantou> that will copy absolutely everything present in my HD, right? torrent files, hidden ones, permissions...
[14:07] <Mathias> didn't read your whole question
[14:07] <Mathias> but you can clone it perfectly with dd
[14:11] <nantou> what about http://www.tuxradar.com/content/how-clone-hard-drives-clonezilla?
[14:11] <innot> I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and now I have two shortcuts for one hard drive. Is there any way to delete the other?
[14:11] <nantou> drop the ?
[14:19] <nantou> in dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=64k , =/dev/sda is the original HD and dev/sdb is where I want the clone to be written, correct?
[14:34] <Diegongui> hello all
[14:35] <Diegongui> I'm downloading xubuntu last version for the first time
[14:36] <blackgatonegro> 12.10?
[14:36] <Diegongui> to my notebook or laptop specs, hp dv 2222la 1.6ghz 3.5 gb ram
[14:36] <Diegongui> yes
[14:36] <Diegongui> do you think it will fly there?
[14:36] <blackgatonegro> be sure to install enabling online updates, and install restricted drivers
[14:37] <Mathias> Diegongui: should work perfectly
[14:37] <blackgatonegro> Diegongui well, that hardware will work for xubuntu, yes
[14:37] <blackgatonegro> gtg now
[14:37] <blackgatonegro> bye
[14:37] <Diegongui> because I tried ubuntu 12.10 but very slow to me
[14:37] <Diegongui> from the beginin
[14:37] <Mathias> might be unity
[14:38] <Mathias> too much action for your gpu
[14:38] <Diegongui> yes a couple of years ago tried version 8 but didn't used it so much
[14:39] <Diegongui> I tried linux puppy also (I have it on my pendrive)
[14:39] <Diegongui> but couldn't make it to save my profile
[14:39] <Mathias> when you run it from a pendrive it's kind of sluggish
[14:40] <Diegongui> and what about xubuntu from a pendrive?
[14:40] <Mathias> that would also be sluggish, but it
[14:41] <Mathias> it's because the read-speed isn't that fast
[14:41] <Diegongui> the thing is that my cd/dvd player doesn't work, I think the laser life is over
[14:43] <Diegongui> xubuntu uses gnome 3? I read that many users don't like it because instability or slow or some
[14:43] <Mathias> xubuntu uses xfce
[14:44] <Diegongui> oh I knew that but didn't know that were similar
[14:44] <Diegongui> I mean the same job
[14:45] <Diegongui> anyway I'll find out soon, I have other question
[14:46] <Diegongui> what distro do you think will work very fast on an old pc running 256mb ram sempron 2ghz
[14:47] <Diegongui> fast and stable
[14:47] <Diegongui> the onboard video card must be very slow too
[14:48] <NeoX> hi all
[14:48] <NeoX> ou salut à tous
[14:53] <drc> Diegongui: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=puppy
[14:54] <Mathias> Diegongui: lubuntu maybe?
[14:54] <Diegongui> I'll try lubuntu
[14:54] <Diegongui> and see
[14:54] <Diegongui> well, I have to leave, thanks all
[15:39] <longer> hi guys, I have small problem
[15:40] <longer> after ssh localhost I can see
[15:40] <longer> Cannot open display ""
[15:40] <longer> Error opening display!
[15:41] <longer> how to solve this?
[15:41] <TheSheep> longer: "solve"?
[15:42] <TheSheep> longer: what are you trying to do in the first place?
[15:42] <longer> I meant how to get rid of that issue?
[15:42] <recon_lap> seems like he's trying to use GUI through a SSH connection
[15:42] <longer> no
[15:42] <TheSheep> longer: What is the issue exactly? What are you trying to do, what is the expected outcome?
[15:42] <longer> not ssh -X localhost, but ssh localhost
[15:43] <longer> ok, from other side - where those errors came from?
[15:44] <Kagee> Sound like a gui program may be in your .bashrc or profile and is run on every login
[15:44] <TheSheep> longer: we can keep guessing all day
[15:44] <longer> I didn't think about that
[15:45] <longer> I will check that
[15:45] <Kagee> longer: those error (or simmilar) come from GUI programs started from shells/terminals where the DISAPLAY-variable is not set. Thus the program does not know what X-screen to appear on.
[15:46] <Kagee> DISPLAY, even
[15:48] <longer> xbacklight and numlockx causes those messages
[15:48] <longer> in .profile
[15:49] <longer> so now how to set DISPLAY variable?
[15:49] <Kagee> sounds correct.
[15:51] <Kagee> well, the answer to you question is to add something like "DISPLAY=:0" before those commands in your .profile, but then those programs will be run (ran?) every time you login with ssh ...
[15:52] <longer> you are my man :)
[15:52] <longer> export DISPLAY=:0 helped :)
[15:54] <longer> thanks for help :)
[15:56] <xubuntuAsk> hello
[15:56] <longer> bye!
[15:56] <xubuntuAsk> is ther someone here ? please?
[15:57] <TheSheep> !hi | xubuntuAsk
[15:58] <xubuntuAsk> i installed 64 bit version (release version not the beta ) and i see some bugs   _ many drives on the desktop _ wifi problems
[15:58] <xubuntuAsk> have you the same errors ?
[15:59] <TheSheep> I don't have wifi problems, and I don't display anything on my desktop, so no.
[15:59] <xubuntuAsk> problem when reconnecting wifi , it ask me the wifi key even if it is reconnecting , and problems with gnome disk utility
[15:59] <xubuntuAsk> you are using 32b or 64 b ?
[15:59] <TheSheep> 64 bit
[16:03] <xubuntuAsk> oh ok so i'll try a reinstallation  _ may be there were a problem during the installation
[16:03] <xubuntuAsk> thank you TheSheep
[16:20] <nantou> im looking for 2.5'' 2TB external HD, id appreciate brands or links
[16:20] <nantou> not 3.5''
[16:20] <Mathias> nantou: wrong channel
[16:25] <bazhang> ##hardware nantou
[16:42] <wonderworld> hey, is there a way to make thunar remember sftp:// bookmarks?
[16:55] <G__81> hi i am using xubuntu 12.10 and everything works more or less flawlessly. The one issue that i find is that xfrun4 takes quite a lot of time to startup
[16:55] <G__81> i am using xubuntu 12.10 in 2 machines and i find the same problem with 32 and 64 bit versions
[16:55] <G__81> when i tried running xfrun4 in a terminal i get the following message
[16:57] <G__81> http://pastebin.com/xh4PMPeb
[16:57] <G__81> anyone else facing this problem ?
[17:03] <n2diy_> is there a way to release some swap memory without rebooting?
[17:05] <n2diy_> actually, I'd like to free up both ram and swap.
[17:05] <Mathias> kill stuff?
[17:06] <G__81> hi Mathias
[17:06] <G__81> can you help me with my problem?
[17:11] <Mathias> don't know :s
[17:13] <wonderworld> G__81: swapoff
[17:13] <G__81> wonderworld, swapoff ?
[17:13] <G__81> my question is not related to swap :)
[17:13] <wonderworld> that would turn off swap
[17:13] <W8KWA> Hi I got a question about full disk / home folder and paths in programs like Libre-office and other software, anyone able to answer?
[17:14] <wonderworld> ohh sorry
[17:14] <W8KWA> encryption specificaly
[17:14] <G__81> wonderworld, just have a look @ the pastebin link. I see that problem and hence i see a startup delay in xfrun4
[17:15] <wonderworld> sorry, i tried to help n2diy_ ...
[17:15] <wonderworld> got the wrong line
[17:16] <n2diy_> wonderworld, ok, and swapon will restart it?
[17:16] <wonderworld> yes, but i think this will not free your swap
[17:17] <wonderworld> in general you don't have to tak care of it
[17:17] <wonderworld> the kernel does automatically
[17:17] <n2diy_> wonderworld, well, we'll find out in a second.
[17:17] <wonderworld> why do you need to clear your swap?
[17:18] <G__81> n2diy_, When paging happens the pages gets moved in and out of the swap. You dont have to clear it manually to be precise
[17:20] <wonderworld> is there a way to make thunar remember sftp:// bookmarks?
[17:20] <Arizona> xfce++
[17:22]  * W8KWA is trying to work out why LibreOffice & Guayadeue keeps trunkating paths to /home/$user and yanking the rest of it out
[17:22] <n2diy_> wonderworld, because nearly all of it is in use, and the HD is doing a lot of thrashing. Swapoff -a reduced my swap usage from 300m to 150m, out of 500m, so I'd say it worked?
[17:22]  * W8KWA thinks it has something to do with his OS drive & home folder being encrypted
[17:24] <wonderworld> n2diy_: you can set "swapiness" to decrease the amount of swapping in your system
[17:25] <n2diy_> W8KWA, Hi OM, I read awhile ago that folks were having problems restoring their encrypted directories due to the encryption keys being encrypted inside /home, or something to that effect?
[17:27] <W8KWA> I can get into the dirctory's no problems.  Its when I tell programs like 'LibreOffice' use the /home/$user/Documents/templates folder it truncates it to /home/$user then crashes
[17:28] <jamin> wonderworld, afaik gigolo is the suggested way to have thunar remember the sftp bookmarks
[17:28] <n2diy_> W8KWA,  roger that, I don't use Libreoffice, so just guessing, could it be something in prefrences?
[17:29] <W8KWA> I thought it might be something else cause Guaydeque my music player does the same thing
[17:29] <G__81> hi i am using xubuntu 12.10 and everything works more or less flawlessly. The one issue that i find is that xfrun4 takes quite a lot of time to startup
[17:29] <G__81> when i tried running xfrun4 in a terminal i get the following message
[17:30] <G__81> http://pastebin.com/xh4PMPeb
[17:31] <G__81> can someone help me out ?
[17:31] <n2diy_> W8KWA, could you create another user without an encrypted /home, and test with him?
[17:31] <W8KWA> Only two differences than what i ran before, and thats the move to Xubuntu 12.10, and full drive encryption, and home folder encription.  Thought it might have something to with the double encryption layers
[17:31] <W8KWA> ah, ok havent tried that yet
[17:32] <jamin> W8KWA, you're doing full drive AND home encryption?
[17:32] <W8KWA> It offered it so... yeah.  I figured worst case I loose about a days worth of effort
[17:32] <n2diy_> W8KWA, I believe the problems I read about were solved in a couple of releases ago?
[17:33] <jamin> even if it works, that will likely have a non-trivial performance impact
[17:37] <wonderworld> W8KWA: it should work, if LibreOffice is run by the same user who owns the home directory
[17:38] <W8KWA> Just tested it, same issue on non encrypted home folder but incrypted drive
[17:38] <W8KWA> So it must be an issue with an 'encrypted drive' for some bizzare reason
[17:39] <jamin> W8KWA, what issue is that?  I've been using full disk encryption under 12.04 for some time...
[17:39] <recon_lap> why would you encrypt your drive but nit your home folder?
[17:39] <wonderworld> can you access data on your encrypted drive with thunar?
[17:39] <jamin> recon_lap, because if you have your drive encrypted, your home folder is by definition already encrypted
[17:40] <jamin> wonderworld, yes
[17:40] <W8KWA> yep i can get to it with Thunar, and concolse, just LibreOffice, and Guada~ wont let me set a path in any of their preferences
[17:40] <jamin> keep in mind that is with 12.04
[17:41] <W8KWA> I can even open folders and files in the programs but they wont let me set paths with out tuncating it to /home/$user and nothing afterwords
[17:42] <jamin> W8KWA, checking the same on my 12.04 box...
[17:42] <wonderworld> ok, so its about saving files?
[17:42] <W8KWA> no
[17:42] <W8KWA> For LibreOffice I use custom file templates
[17:42] <wonderworld> you can open /home/user/file.txt but not /home/user/dir/file.txt ?
[17:43] <W8KWA> I use /user/charles/Documents/Templates to store the templates in
[17:43] <W8KWA> When i set the path to that in LibreOffice it only shows /home/charles
[17:43] <wonderworld> it crashes......
[17:44] <wonderworld> i'll try it with mine....wait a second
[17:44] <W8KWA> In Guay~ my music program, I set the sourse for one my collectsions to a folder on the secound drive where multipal collections are on, its doing the same thing, truncateing the path to /home/charles and nothing after that
[17:44] <W8KWA> Music is symlinked out but the templates isnt
[17:45] <wonderworld> sounds like it has nothing to do with the encryption
[17:45] <wonderworld> that should be fully transparent to all applications
[17:46] <jamin> W8KWA, yes I see the same issue on full disk encryption with 12.04 any new paths added are truncated to the top level of the user's homedir
[17:46] <W8KWA> it worked fine with it not being encrypted in Ubuntu 12.04
[17:47] <jamin> I take that back... I just got it to work... I can add any directory within my user's home directory
[17:48] <jamin> just have to make sure that you're actually in the target directory within the selection dialog, rather than simply having it selected...
[17:48] <jamin> and I'm using full disk encryption here on 12.04
[17:48] <W8KWA> with Libre?
[17:48] <jamin> W8KWA, yes
[17:49] <W8KWA> I'll re-test it
[17:50] <W8KWA> nope still des the same thing. truncates it to /home/charles
[17:51] <W8KWA> I even see the files and everything.  I click ok and the path goes to /home/charles
[17:52] <W8KWA> Dont supposes theres a Quick way to unencrypt a drive/home folder
[17:55] <wonderworld> W8KWA: https://kororaa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=441
[17:55] <wonderworld> he solved it by configuring it with KDE
[17:55] <wonderworld> i have the same problem btw
[17:56] <wonderworld> someone filed a bug already
[17:56] <wonderworld> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.bugs/56170
[18:01] <W8KWA> ah ok...
[18:02] <W8KWA> the other one is Gua... but its one of thoes one man jobs unfortunatly
[18:03] <W8KWA> I want to keep my main login as a one DE, and avoid a big mess
[18:03] <W8KWA> I wonder if theres a text file to manualy add it in somewhere
[18:04] <wonderworld> you could just link your templates directory to the directory where libreoffice expects the files
[18:04] <wonderworld> in it's default setting
[18:07] <W8KWA> That would work
[18:07] <W8KWA> Thanks..
[18:08] <Arizona> so uh anyone using weechat on xubuntu atm
[18:10] <Raytray> irssi here
[18:11] <Arizona> Raytray: really?
[18:11] <Arizona> do u use multiple
[18:11] <Arizona> networks on irssi
[18:11] <Raytray> Freenode and a local bitlbee one. Yeah, why?
[18:14] <Raytray> If you do /connect instead of /network it will add another network connection rather than dropping the first and then connecting.
[18:14] <Arizona> Raytray:
[18:15] <Arizona> I don't really know hot to configure it so it will save oth
[18:15] <Arizona> er networks, Raytray
[18:15] <Arizona> also:
[18:15] <Raytray> Arizona, http://irssi.org/documentation/startup#c3 the documentation here should help.
[18:15] <Arizona> I don't know how to switch networks
[18:15] <Raytray> You define networks, then attach servers to them
[18:15] <Arizona> alright
[18:16] <Raytray> ctrl-x on the server tab.
[18:16] <Arizona> thank you
[18:16] <Arizona> :)
[18:16] <Arizona> I use weechat and xchat
[18:16] <Arizona> but I wanted to try out
[18:16] <Raytray> np, weechat is also a fine client, I've never really used it though.
[18:16] <Arizona> irssi
[18:16] <Arizona> I know its fine, I've used it for years
[18:34]  * W8KWA uses X-chat, but I love kvirc just dont like the overhead :)
[18:43] <wonderworld> i love konversation
[18:47] <stella_austin> Hi folks. Can someone suggest reasons why the update process quits a few minutes after it starts, without updating anything. The notification says there are 36 updates ready to install.
[18:53] <recon_lap> stella_austin: are you using the update icon and select "install updates" because if they are new packages you need to enter a password, so select view update first
[18:54] <craigbass1976> What are some of the options I should try when booting a livecd?  I can't see anything and haven't run across a solution yet to Xubuntu related AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series on board graphics cards.
[18:55] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: what sort of problem are you running into?
[18:56] <craigbass1976> recon_lap, when I try to boot from the cd, I see nothing.  I hear the cd spinning, so I know it's eventually landing on the "tyr it or install it" screen.
[18:57] <craigbass1976> I do see the screen where I can hit any key and land at the boot screen (F6 for more options, etc)
[18:57] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-to-set-nomodeset-for-installation
[18:57] <stella_austin> recon_lap, yes, using the update icon, then selecting view updates. I think it prompted for a pwd but I don't think I got to that stage before I quit. I'll try it. Thanks!
[19:04] <Belserusk>  Hi. How do I reset xfce4 panel from the terminal?
[19:04] <craigbass1976> recon_lap, thanks.  Now, once I install Xubuntu and make the permanent fix, what are the chances of it getting wiped after an update?  This won't be my box, so I've going to have to either fix it remotely somehow or take a road trip if nomodeset get's unset.
[19:09] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: you gone passed my pay grade, never had this problem myself, I would think once you update your grub that the fix is not likely to get overwritten easily. but I don't know that for a fact. also I'm not even to sure what nomodeset does, I think it disables detection of property graphics drivers, but not sure of that :)
[19:10] <kcxzero> Belserusk, you mean restore to default or just restart?
[19:10] <Belserusk> Hi kcxzero, restart
[19:10] <Belserusk> BTW, what does this do? $  xfce4-panel --exit
[19:10] <kcxzero> kill it
[19:11] <kcxzero> to start it back up xfce4-panel
[19:11] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: if you have ssh setup fixing it remotely should be possible, as long as someone is able to boot machine to command line
[19:12] <kcxzero> did it start back up Belserusk?
[19:13] <Belserusk> kcxzero, Yes. I used $ killall xfce4-panel; xfce4-panel
[19:13] <kcxzero> oh ok, cool then.
[19:13] <Belserusk> Thanks kcxzero
[19:13] <kcxzero> np, glad it helped
[20:48] <WalterN> needs more people in here
[20:49] <zzillezz> needs more online people :)
[20:49] <WalterN> heh
[20:49] <WalterN> anyway.. yay for question/issues time
[20:50] <zzillezz> :-)
[20:50] <WalterN> I did a normal Ubuntu 12.10 install... unity was fail (as normal) so installed Xfce.. everything is happy except for icons
[20:50] <WalterN> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturedcran-02032012-171039.php is what it looks like
[20:50] <zzillezz> what's wrong with them?
[20:51] <WalterN> just missing
[20:51] <GridCube> WalterN, what do you mean by "installed xfce"?
[20:51] <zzillezz> that's not the standard xubuntu layout
[20:51] <GridCube> did you properly installed the xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[20:52] <GridCube> or just installed "xfce4"
[20:52] <WalterN> I installed the Xfce4 metapackage
[20:52] <GridCube> no
[20:52] <zzillezz> that's not the right thing
[20:52] <WalterN> which branched out to a bunch of other xfce things
[20:52] <GridCube> you need the xubuntu-desktop
[20:52] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:53] <WalterN> interesting... why did it not install that package?
[20:53] <WalterN> oh
[20:53] <WalterN> derp
[20:53] <WalterN> cause its not 'xfce' :P
[20:54] <WalterN> what is the difference?
[20:54] <GridCube> xubuntu-desktop comes with icons
[20:54] <GridCube> xfce dont
[20:54] <GridCube> for starters
[20:54] <apm1> WalterN, it is xfce with xubuntu specific tweaks
[20:54] <WalterN> ok
[20:54] <zzillezz> xubuntu is a spin of xfce on top of ubuntu
[20:55] <WalterN> woah, thats a lot more packages to be installed
[20:55] <GridCube> yes
[20:55] <GridCube> it should
[20:55] <WalterN> wait
[20:55] <WalterN> what?
[20:55] <WalterN> kernel?
[20:56] <WalterN> linux-headers-3.5.0-17-generic
[20:56] <GridCube> that might be just a standard update
[20:56] <GridCube> see if it saying "this packages are waiting to be updated"
[20:56] <WalterN> I... just checked for updates today though
[20:56] <apm1> wow you guys are on 3.5 :p
[20:57] <apm1> i am using 2.6 and 3.2 yet :)
[20:57] <WalterN> I'm looking at what synaptic is saying.. not using the terminal at the moment
[20:57] <GridCube> 3.2.0-32 on 12.04
[20:57] <WalterN> lets see what are updates
[20:58] <GridCube> i know that for 12.04 we shipped a different kernel because of PAE support, but i dont think thats the case anymore
[20:58] <WalterN> thats what I thought... its all up to date
[20:58] <apm1> GridCube, i haven't even looked at a screenshot of 12.10
[20:58] <GridCube> apm1, im pretty sure its exactly equal to the one of 12.04 :P
[20:58] <GridCube> xubuntu == stability
[20:59] <apm1> debian = stability rock solid :p ,
[20:59] <apm1> lets switch to Off topic ?
[20:59] <WalterN> anyway
[20:59] <GridCube> ubuntu == debian make better
[20:59] <GridCube> :P ok
[20:59] <GridCube> say mister WalterN
[20:59] <WalterN> installing xubuntu-desktop
[21:00] <WalterN> sir GridCube?
[21:00] <GridCube> :) good luck, after that we can actually give you some support :D
[21:00] <GridCube> :P nothing i was just saying you to say your anyway
[21:00] <WalterN> guess I'll have to restart, because kernal
[21:00] <GridCube> not really needed
[21:01] <WalterN> so... log out and back in?
[21:01] <WalterN> anyway, done installing
[21:01] <GridCube> WalterN, that should do
[21:01] <GridCube> WalterN, rememeber to choose xubuntu as you session
[21:02] <WalterN> and icons are showing
[21:02] <WalterN> alright... brb then
[21:02] <WalterN> meh
[21:02] <WalterN> screw it, full restart
[21:02] <WalterN> because ponies
[21:02] <GridCube> WalterN, as you please
[21:08] <WalterN> def. have icons now... but no window boarders XD
[21:09]  * WalterN pokes GridCube
[21:09] <GridCube> alt-f2: xfwm4 --replace
[21:10] <WalterN> that works
[21:10] <GridCube> :)
[21:11]  * apm1 high fives GridCube  :)
[21:11] <WalterN> now...
[21:12] <WalterN> oh... for some reason the far right screen is.. funky transitioning between the left two screens and the right screen
[21:13] <WalterN> ran into this earlier with just Xfce
[21:14] <GridCube> far right?
[21:14] <WalterN> the edge between the left two screens and the right screen
[21:15] <GridCube> no idea what that means
[21:15] <apm1> i think by screens he means virtual workspaces ?
[21:15]  * WalterN flails
[21:15] <WalterN> I dont know how to explain it
[21:15] <apm1> flails ?
[21:15] <apm1> WalterN, screenshot ?
[21:16] <WalterN> its like there is a 4th computer screen there that windows can get lost in
[21:16] <apm1> ah , he is indeed talking about a workspace
[21:17] <apm1> WalterN, can you give us a screenshot ?
[21:17] <WalterN> sure...
[21:17] <WalterN> uh
[21:17] <WalterN> first..
[21:18] <WalterN> it might be because of the way I had it set up with Xfce
[21:19] <WalterN> so I'm doing
[21:19] <WalterN> xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --right-of DVI-0
[21:19] <WalterN> xrandr --output DVI-1 --left-of DVI-0
[21:19] <zzillezz> anyone knows why my windows partition is mounted with 2 icons on my desktop?
[21:19] <zzillezz> didn't have that in earlier xubuntu versions
[21:19] <GridCube> zzillezz, know bug
[21:19] <zzillezz> alright then :)
[21:20] <zzillezz> thx
[21:20] <GridCube> WalterN, install arandr and set stuff visually
[21:20] <apm1> !info arandr
[21:20] <WalterN> that orientates them correctly... and was working with just Xfce
[21:21] <WalterN> time for some screen shots I guess
[21:21] <GridCube> zzillezz, read the known issues: http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release/
[21:21] <recon_lap> why I always wait before upgrading :) give the dev's a chance to finx the problems so I dont have to deal with them :)
[21:22] <WalterN> and that would be why
[21:22] <WalterN> interesting
[21:22] <WalterN> screen shot is showing a computer screen in between my actual computer screens... lol
[21:23] <WalterN> weird
[21:23] <WalterN> lemme put it up
[21:24] <WalterN> http://tiwake.com/screenie.png
[21:25] <apm1> WalterN, that is an unreal resolution 7000x#### :p
[21:25] <apm1> man i haven't seen such a monitor setup ever :p
[21:26] <WalterN> the three blue desktop backgrounds map to my actual screens
[21:26] <WalterN> the middle right section I dont actually see
[21:26] <apm1> i have to leave , fellow neckbeards :p
[21:27] <GridCube> your setup scares me WalterN
[21:27] <GridCube> D:
[21:27] <GridCube> thats a huge monitor you must have
[21:28] <WalterN> no... just three 1080p screens :P
[21:28] <GridCube> D:
[21:28] <WalterN> and for some reason its inserting a 4th in there as you can see in the screen shot
[21:28] <GridCube> remove it
[21:28] <WalterN> how?
[21:29] <WalterN> in the settings, its not showing more than three screens
[21:29] <GridCube> right clic on the virtual desktop selection thingy on your panel
[21:30] <GridCube> it shows 4 desktops
[21:30] <WalterN> right click where?
[21:31] <GridCube> WalterN, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-211012-183037.php
[21:32] <WalterN> I cant comprehend :-x
[21:32] <GridCube> the work areas selection, on your panel
[21:32] <GridCube> where your work areas are shown
[21:33] <WalterN> oh that
[21:33] <WalterN> it is still doing it
[21:34] <WalterN> change it to one and same issue, change it to 5 same issue
[21:34] <GridCube> WalterN, install arandr and see visually what is going on with your setups
[21:35] <WalterN> oh
[21:36] <WalterN> it thinks the other display port is active
[21:36] <WalterN> but I cant select or deselect it, the box is grayed out
[21:36] <WalterN> or
[21:36] <WalterN> no
[21:36] <WalterN> cause
[21:37] <WalterN> its doing the same for HDMI?
[21:37] <WalterN> I donno...
[21:37] <aoxi> http://pastebin.com/bzSSdDJ4
[21:37] <aoxi> if someone could look that over and offer any suggestions, id be very thankful
[21:37] <aoxi> this didnt occur after an upgrade. im running xubuntu 12.04
[21:38] <WalterN> GridCube: http://tiwake.com/screenie2.png
[21:39] <GridCube> WalterN, this goes beyond my paygrade, no idea whats going on there, sorrys
[21:40] <WalterN> lol
[21:40] <WalterN> hmm
[21:40] <WalterN> lets try something
[21:40] <GridCube> aoxi, you log in and then it send you back to the lightdm greeter?
[21:42] <aoxi> GridCube → no, see the symptoms section
[21:42] <aoxi> when i put no change, it means the same symptoms occur:
[21:42] <aoxi> The 'mice' splash screen comes up, with a 'loading' pointer. The mouse logo itself is flickering into view every few seconds, like XFCE failing to load.
[21:43] <WalterN> well... displays are mirrored again
[21:43] <GridCube> aoxi, yes, but it just stays like that or it sends you back to the user/password selection stage?
[21:43] <aoxi> it stays like that
[21:43] <GridCube> ok
[21:44] <GridCube> do you have a different user on that machine?
[21:44] <aoxi> no
[21:44] <GridCube> can you login as guest?
[21:45] <aoxi> i get what youre implying. im sure if i creat another user it will work just fine
[21:45] <GridCube> this is just to see if this is just a missconfiguration somewhere on your user files
[21:45] <WalterN> alright
[21:45] <WalterN> well thats fixed.. I think
[21:45] <aoxi> i was hoping maybe there was a way to reset the configs of the user
[21:45] <GridCube> aoxi, there is, i was just trying to see if thats the case
[21:46] <aoxi> im booted into windows at the moment. id have to reboot to verify for certainty
[21:46] <aoxi> but please do explain how to do just that and ill note it down
[21:47] <GridCube> aoxi, you can simply delete the .ICEauthority and .Xauthority files on your ~/ folder that usually does it
[21:48] <GridCube> if its in case just a missconfiguration issue
[21:48] <aoxi> be right back then :)
[21:53] <aoxi> GridCube → guest can log in just fine, so i deleted those two files from the user's homedir, and then logged in as that user
[21:53] <aoxi> the problem still persists
[21:54] <GridCube> so, its a configuration issue, just not the one i though
[21:54] <GridCube> get rid of the files on ~/.gnome2/keyrings
[21:54] <GridCube> and try again
[21:55] <aoxi> ive always had that keyring error sporatically
[21:55] <aoxi> i just ignored it because i dont run gnome?
[21:55] <GridCube> but you do run the gnome keyring :)
[21:57] <aoxi> no change
[21:59] <GridCube> mmm
[21:59] <GridCube> well, there might be better solutions to offer you, but i only know the brute force ones
[22:05] <craigbass1976> recon_lap, sorry, I went and ate.  What you said sounds great, but I don't think the network starts until someone has logged in.
[22:06] <aoxi> http://pastebin.com/er34wYQx
[22:06] <aoxi> heres the current .xsession-errors, if it will help
[22:06] <aoxi> seems to be mostly the same
[22:06] <aoxi> 'another instance already running'
[22:07] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: you'd probably never get through the firewalls anyway
[22:07] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: but you can boot to a cmd line and login
[22:08] <keithclark_> how do I give a user sudo access?
[22:09] <keithclark_> Actually I used to have that access, but I tried to rsync backup this machine and now I no longer have sudo access, how can that be
[22:11] <TheSheep> keithclark_: you add them to the admin group
[22:11] <keithclark_> TheSheep, but why would rsync have taken that away?
[22:12] <TheSheep> keithclark_: maybe you rsynced /etc/group?
[22:12] <TheSheep> keithclark_: or /etc/sudoers?
[22:13] <keithclark_> I rsynced the whole hard drive.  This should just back everything up, no?
[22:14] <craigbass1976> recon_lap, she's on Time Warner and I can punch a hole on 22 through her router to this box I imagine.
[22:15] <TheSheep> keithclark_: depends on the options, if the sudoers file has wrong permissions it will stop working
[22:15] <WalterN> hmm
[22:16] <WalterN> now its not letting me change the icons...
[22:16] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: maybe, but how do you get an ip?  think we getting side tracked
[22:16] <David-A> keithclark_: with not the right options to rsync, it may not preserve permission info for files, and if the user rsyncing is not root it is not able to copy all system files
[22:16] <David-A> *not root or not sudo
[22:16] <keithclark_> David-A, yes, I rsynced using sudo.  Now I have no sudo access
[22:17] <craigbass1976> recon_lap, Right.  I'm going back to smoke signals and carrier pigeons.  :)
[22:17] <WalterN> and some icons are missing again, as described before
[22:17] <keithclark_> Without sudo access, I cannot add myself back into sudoers.  I guess I'm screwed here?
[22:18] <David-A> keithclark_: and with the -p or -a or equivalent option?
[22:18] <craigbass1976> keithclark_, can you do it from a livecd?
[22:18] <keithclark_> craigbass1976, no live cd available
[22:19] <keithclark_> I'm very surprised that rsync can screw up like this.
[22:22] <David-A> keithclark_: have you diagnosed what happened? do the system files have the right owners and permissions? can it be that the numeric id of user or group have changed if system and home restored in different ways?
[22:22] <keithclark_> David-A, I'm not sure I understand though.  rsync should backup.  Why would it modify my system?
[22:24] <David-A> keithclark_: rsync needs switches to preserve permission info. what switches did you use?
[22:25] <David-A> keithclark_: cont. diagnosing, do your current user belong to admin group?
[22:25] <keithclark_> I used the information found here:  http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html
[22:26] <keithclark_> Here is the basic command I used:  rsync -avz -e ssh remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir /this/dir/
[22:26] <keithclark_> With / and / as the source/destination
[22:29] <David-A> keithclark_: is the target a filesystem that preserves unix permissions? (forgive me for asking)
[23:34] <meomic> hi, im not sure if i should ask here cuz im using ubuntu 12.10 x86-64 + xfce but i'll give a try, can you guys tell me if its only me that has problem with 'application finder' long wait till launch? i mean in 12.04(i had xfce 4.10 from xubuntu backports from quantal)  it was launched 1sec after i clicked a shortcut and in 12.10 it is like 10 secs... (i have an option checked 'keep in background
[23:34] <meomic> - should be fast')
[23:59] <meomic> sorry to bother you guys - found already solution - someone reported same error i get on launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-appfinder/+bug/1048805    thanks for your time :)