[01:01] Darkwing: Yes. === shumski is now known as shumski_away [05:59] good morning all [09:18] tidy upo ti [09:18] tsk [09:18] tidy up time === shumski_ is now known as shumski_away === shumski_away is now known as shumski_ [10:55] \o [11:06] could someone on quantal test KDevelop from https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [11:07] * Riddell tries [11:08] if all goes well, I'll upload to -proposed [11:10] ug [11:10] error dialogue "Plugin 'Git Support' could not be loaded correctly and was disabled. [11:10] Reason: git is not installed." [11:10] which will be because this is a new install [11:10] then crash [11:11] ug [11:11] second time it runs but when I click on Review tab it crashes [11:11] :( [11:12] does it work fine once you install git? [11:13] third time it seems to run fie [11:13] fine [11:15] hmph [11:16] Riddell: do you have a backtrace that we can send? [11:20] shadeslayer: can't recreate it now :( [11:21] maybe it disabled that plugin? [11:21] hum well I guess you should find someone else to test, that was hardly successful [11:22] !testers [11:22] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw [11:22] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental < KDevelop needs testing [11:22] shadeslayer, what's up for the ping? ah OK wait [11:22] mm, got the Review one again [11:22] specifically for quantal [11:22] whoo [11:26] http://paste.kde.org/577580/ [11:27] it is reproducable, just remove git, start kdevelop, enable the plugin in Settings and switch to Review tab [11:27] well ... that backtrace is of no use [11:27] no it has no useful thread there that I can see [11:28] whooo [11:28] schedule is up [11:28] schedule? [11:28] Riddell: okay, how about this, kdevelop should depend on git-core [11:28] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/2012-10-29/ [11:29] primarily because when developing for kde, you'd need git anyway [11:29] what happens if you do the same with some other $VCS? [11:29] kdevelop has support for a few [11:29] svn? [11:29] shadeslayer: not unless the part you're working on is in svn [11:29] * shadeslayer installs kdevelop on precise to check [11:30] not to mention my install is all sorts of fscked [11:30] shadeslayer: I downgraded to the kdevelop in quantal and it has the same issue [11:30] :( [11:30] hm, now it only shows svn and git here [11:31] "WebScale Packaging and Main Promotions" [11:31] xD [11:33] shadeslayer: nvm, I was mixing up qtcreator and kdevelop as I seldomly use either of them [11:33] oic [11:34] here's what I think, upstream enables git plugin by default, which means they expect distros to make sure instaling kdevelop users also install git-core [11:35] Riddell: how do you trigger the crash? [11:35] Riddell: what are we tidying? [11:39] sigh, most Kubuntu sessions are on Tuesday, when I'm on volunteer duty [11:40] Riddell: can we move some tuesday sessions to Wednesday? [11:40] or should I just move my volunteering to Wednesday? [11:42] apachelogger: anything that needs it? [11:42] shadeslayer: I've not looked at the sessions yet, I think I can do scheduling so I'll move them about [11:42] cool [11:43] we have 1 session on Monday, 4(!) sessions on tuesday, 1 on Wednesday, None on Thursday [11:44] none on thursday is sensible, that means we can add them during the week [11:44] right, but all the sessions got clustered on Tuesday :P [11:44] yeah, I can fix that when I get onto it [11:45] sure [12:45] Riddell: my kitchen :P [12:54] Riddell: Schedule looks like it worked out well. [12:54] * ScottK is just glad our stuff is on there. [12:56] heh yeah [12:58] I wonder when I suggested shipping nm-vpnc [13:12] Hiyas all [13:13] shadeslayer: a few days ago when someone complained that the option is there and does nothing [13:26] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/17/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t22:15 [13:26] I guess I did [13:26] and a couple of minutes later I went to sleep [13:26] no wonder why I don't remember it [13:27] shadeslayer: gj [13:28] yofel: aren't the deps broken when the option is there but does not work? [13:28] i.e. nm-kde uses a plugin system IIRC === shumski_ is now known as shumski [13:28] well [13:28] Suggests: network-manager-vpnc [13:29] EWRONG [13:30] heh [13:31] someone write a webapp to track SRUs [13:31] * apachelogger is totally not able to remember all the crap [13:31] use tags [13:31] EWRWORKFL [13:31] I have no idea what that means [13:32] EWRONGWORKFLOW (felt too long :P) [13:32] heh [13:32] bug 1048082 [13:32] Launchpad bug 1048082 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.4 RC1" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048082 [13:32] yofel: WRGNWRKFLW [13:32] learn sms spelling for crying out loud :P [13:33] aye, apachelogger's SMS speak makes more sense :P [13:33] hmm [13:33] also it has le typo [13:33] caps-- [13:33] good point [13:33] I can approve my own SRU bug for raring [13:33] not sure if advisable [13:34] approve? [13:34] only ubuntu-sru can approve shit :P [13:34] idk [13:34] you mean open the bug task? And dev can do that as long as he has upload rights [13:34] * apachelogger preps digikam sru or something [13:34] clearly I'm all powerful : http://i.imgur.com/L99Ug.png [13:35] that's a nomination [13:35] any dev can approvae/decline a nomination [13:35] though it is funny that for you it does not auto-approve ^^ [13:35] * apachelogger never has to approve his own nominations [13:35] * shadeslayer approves and preps raring upload [13:35] is raring open yet? [13:35] I don't think so [13:35] I can just stage it in my ppa no? [13:35] * apachelogger is totally not following ubuntu-devel anymore [13:36] my last upload got into the approval queue [13:36] * apachelogger slaps shadeslayer [13:37] shadeslayer: your changelog entry in digikam is still not SRUable [13:37] "* Update install files" [13:37] also it still misses stuff [13:37] I thought you said that it was fine earlier >.> [13:37] also not-isntalled is not updated [13:37] shadeslayer: no, I complained about that right after you pushed [13:37] it isn't? [13:38] me@novalis:~/src/bzr/digikam$ less debian/not-installed |grep kconf_up [13:38] ./usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/adjustlevelstool.upd [13:38] right [13:38] wait [13:39] hm, not sure what a appropriate SRU entry would be for shipping adjustlevelstool.upd [13:40] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299755 [13:40] KDE bug 299755 in AdjustLevels "After latest X upgrades the Level Tools upgrade is a solid color (black, white, gray)" [Normal,New] [13:42] I hate changelogs :| [13:43] shadeslayer: also stuff in not-installed is still not installed or documented [13:43] ./usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/imgur.png [13:43] and the likes [13:44] http://paste.kde.org/577646/ [13:44] auto-explainatory? those images are trademarked iirc [13:44] and upstream does not ship a appropriate license for the same [13:44] document [13:44] and report upstream [13:45] and shouldn't they ship those icons with oxygen? [13:46] why? [13:47] No ship it with nitrogen instead [13:48] oh boy [13:48] * digikam 3.0.0 uses features from unreleased kdegraphics >=4.10 & ships [13:48] a private version of the kdegraphics libs - this is not the Debian way :-( [13:48] and fun : * Suspend digikam-dbg >130Mb [13:50] it's the digikam way [13:51] we should talk to sune about it [14:04] * apachelogger preps digikam precise sru [14:05] No primary archive build or not targetting main|restricted -> not cleaning l10n content. [14:05] shadeslayer: please be having a uds session to write a whitepaper on how exactly l10n crap is supposed to work nowadays [14:06] does anyone who's attending UDS know how l10n crap works? [14:06] Riddell: ^ [14:06] *supposed* to work [14:08] ScottK: bug 658047 & bug 781728 precise SRU [14:08] Launchpad bug 658047 in digikam (Ubuntu Precise) "Update digiKam icon to default Oxygen provided icon" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658047 [14:08] Launchpad bug 781728 in digikam (Ubuntu Precise) "digikam icon does not scale in unity (Ubuntu 11.04)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781728 [14:15] apachelogger: did you fix0r changelog? [14:15] no [14:15] ScottK, Riddell: so..... no default page one for netbook as semi-workaround for now? [14:16] apachelogger: can you have a look at : http://paste.kde.org/577646/ [14:16] and see if that's suited for a SRU [14:16] yah [14:16] cool [14:34] apachelogger: yes sounds like the best workaround [14:35] apachelogger, shadeslayer: we ship whatever .po files upstream ships with the packages and language-pack-kde-xx is a meta package to install upstream lanuage packs like kde-l10n-xx [14:36] and what about non-KDE apps? [14:36] and what about desktop files? [14:36] and how does not get missing translations for say kile [14:36] (kile having a kile-i18n package) [14:38] apachelogger: desktop files in universe aren't stripped so they're just upstream [14:38] apachelogger: everything fixed and uploaded to bzr branch [14:38] non-KDE apps in universe aren't stripped, the translations are in the packaes [14:39] let me know if you still face issues === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [14:39] kile-l10n should be added to the language-pack-kde-xx meta packages [14:39] how does debian handle that? (kile-l10n for example) [14:39] they don't as far as I know, you just need to know to install kile-l10n [14:39] ah [14:39] kile's always been in universe so there's no change to it [14:40] Riddell: btw what do we do about KDevelop? [14:41] shadeslayer: SRU if the team will agree to it? [14:41] Riddell: and what about firefox for example? [14:42] idk ... maybe ask upstream what the best way to go about it would be? [14:42] Riddell: because I can't trigger the crash ok precise [14:42] apachelogger: same as always, language-pack-fr-base recommends firefox-locale-fr [14:43] shadeslayer: well it's not a regression so no change there [14:43] right [14:43] Riddell: but how is it loaded? :P [14:43] but it'll need someone other than me to declare it stable, cos it doesn't like my computer [14:44] apachelogger: how is what loaded into what? [14:44] the mo file into whatever tries to display a localized versoin of the desktop file [14:46] apachelogger: patch kubuntu_langpack_desktop_files.diff from kde4libs [14:48] and can we please write down all that stuff somewhere? [14:48] also what is installed when by what [14:48] and load when y what [14:48] s/y/by/ [14:48] apachelogger meant: "and load when by what" [14:57] somehow our kubuntu-netbook settings branch disappeared [14:57] spooky [14:59] maybe it was never there [14:59] it's part of the skunkworks now [15:04] Riddell, ScottK: bug 1069859 [15:04] Launchpad bug 1069859 in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings (Ubuntu Quantal) "don't create initial newspaper page" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069859 [15:04] Riddell: it was there, it is mentioned all over packaging ^^ [15:06] apachelogger: patch is just a changelog? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/120633209/quantal.patch [15:09] debdiff is being silly [15:09] tar.gz contains the dir [15:09] also for future reference bug 1069869 [15:09] Launchpad bug 1069869 in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings (Ubuntu) "merge kubuntu settings into one source package" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069869 [15:15] Riddell: can I actually introduce a new package+dep on package in an SRU? [15:17] apachelogger: mm unlikely [15:18] http://paste.kde.org/577748/ [15:18] curious [15:18] also bogus [15:18] ./debian/plasma-active.install:usr/lib/libkdeinit4_plasma-widgetstrip.so [15:24] hi everyone, congratulations on another release!! [15:28] * apachelogger hugs yuriy [15:29] Riddell: plasma-mobile with declarative-plasmoids building in ppa:apachelogger [15:29] * apachelogger leaves for dinner [15:32] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.10-release "The Calligra site includes many other applications" should be suite? Also "We recommend you learn how to check your image file to ensure it has downloaded correctly." sounds a little condescending, or at least should have a link for how to do it [15:33] yuriy: mm yes, want to fix it or shall I? [15:33] or you can poke mparillo, he's good with website updates [15:35] Riddell: I don't know where the website is kept. probably quicker for whoever wrote/maintains the page [15:36] Riddell, yuriy: Could it have been copied from a wiki, where it was a link to a URL? [15:36] Checking .... [15:37] probably [15:44] I could change that to a link to the Calligra site (maybe http://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download#Ubuntu)? Or simply change it to suite. [15:44] mparillo: change it to suite [15:48] Done. Too minor for me to bother creating tracablity via Launchpad bug. [15:50] BTW, yesterday I asked on #kubuntu about some warnings I got through kdesudo. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1296175/ The response was basically 'Do not worry.' Do you agree? [15:52] mparillo: yes, to varying degrees of yes [15:52] ibus being broken isn't really news [15:53] .desktop files often miss semi colons, it's not a problem for any parser as far as I know, but feel free to supply patches [15:53] "D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication" I see often enough and it doesn't give problems although I'm not sure the cause [15:59] Thank you. === shumski is now known as shumski_away [16:37] apachelogger: mhmm, you've added the hicolor digikam icons to digikam-data, but not the hicolor versions of showfoto. So showfoto will fallback to the (updated) pixmap version [16:38] oh la la [16:38] indeed [16:38] ScottK: please be rejecting digikam [16:39] Riddell: Thank you. Based on this, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=107192&p=247459&hilit=kdesudo#p247459 even if the messages are bugs, they might be upstream of Kubuntu. [16:41] Anybody any sound problems with quantal? [16:43] mparillo: unless I am completely mistaken the dbus stuff is caused by kuniqueapplications [16:43] i.e. apps that are made to have one single instance run at a time [16:43] mparillo: when I see kdesudo kate ... I always wisj there would be a root:///not/my/file or file://@/not/myfile would reduce the account of code running priviledged dramaticly ;-) [16:45] allee: Could you elaborate, please? [16:45] allee: would be simple enough to do in kate to begin with :P [16:45] :-) [16:46] "why good user I cannot write to this here file, perhaps you should give me temporary permission to do so" [16:46] same goes for dolphin [16:46] mparillo: I usualy use something like kate sftp://root@localhost/etc/hosts but that needs an ssh server. [16:46] certainly more transparent than a separate kio slave or using a different file uri [16:47] QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /root/.config/ibus/bus [16:47] lazy developers not doing file exists checks is also cool [16:48] apachelogger: I've added this check + create to our startkde a while ago. [16:48] that thing is a big hack anyway [16:49] apachelogger: Yes, ibus should take care. But better that this warning everytime you start a KDE prog. [16:50] mparillo: with imaged root:// or file:/root@ only the io-slave or d-bus backend would run as root everything else as the current user (unpriviledged) === AlexZion is now known as 5JTAAGYA1 === 5JTAAGYA1 is now known as AlexZion [17:04] hmm, there's no anymore any install option for CD, right? [17:05] * Tm_T cannot find any dvd for writing [17:05] pxe boot [17:06] could be my only option eventually, but I wanted to avoid that [17:09] hah, found unused stack of dvd+rw disks [17:10] these must be from 7 years ago? [17:11] USB key is the more common way I'd think [17:11] I would use that if mine weren't used for installing by my boss [17:12] ...and I haven't seen that usb key since (: [17:13] * Tm_T is doing panic-rescue on his work laptop due to failing hard disk [17:16] apachelogger: Rejected. [17:16] thx [17:17] its annoying that every time kernel update shows up i have the same problem: http://pastebin.com/hVD6mWee [17:21] * shadeslayer goes off reading cj's emails [17:27] ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr) [17:27] ::workspace-bugs:: [1065096] Certain keyboard shortcuts disappear between 4.9.1 and 4.9.2 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1065096 (by Peder Chr. Nørgaard) [18:35] \o [18:35] hi Quintasan [18:35] sup shadeslayer [18:36] not much, looking at #kubuntu for a bit [18:37] well, I'm providing live support for my roommate, he's a Kubuntu user :D [18:37] You can't get better support than this :P [18:38] :D [18:39] I so want to say 'Thanks for the favor' in #kubuntu but will refrain myself [18:47] heh, #debian-live just went beserk with commits [18:49] shadeslayer: how the hell does pidgin import gg contacts [18:50] it uses libpurple [18:50] yus [18:50] telepathy-haze also uses that [18:50] that's how [18:50] so why the hell, ktp doesnt import them? [18:50] idk ... sometimes software does weird shit [18:50] and everyone calls them bugs [18:50] how do you call this? [18:50] magic [18:51] if pidgin can do it then other stuff using libpurple should be able to do so too [18:51] i blame telepathy-haze or KTP [18:51] can you check if empathy can import contacts? [18:51] if it can, it's a KTP issue, if not, it's a tp-haze issue [18:52] I ain't polluting my install with gnome crap :P [18:52] brb launching vm [18:53] hmmm .. give me your account details? I've already polluted my install :P [18:53] ohohohoohho [18:53] nope.avi [18:53] xD [19:23] shadeslayer: da fuq [19:23] ? [19:23] haze is installed but no gg in create account [19:24] for empathy? [19:24] yeah [19:24] odd [19:25] http://askubuntu.com/questions/81632/cant-import-gadu-gadu-contact-list-from-server [19:26] it uses sunshine [19:26] aye [19:27] shadeslayer: make ktp work with sunshine :P [19:27] there must be some reason why they do not use haze for GG [19:27] does empathy + sunshine work? [19:28] grr [19:28] let me launch vm once again [19:28] :P [19:29] fcks [19:29] no sunshine for quantal [19:29] goddamn it [19:29] lawl right [19:31] installing precise package [19:32] shadeslayer: It doesn't even list gg after installing sunshine [19:32] @_@ [19:33] way to go Ubuntu [19:34] ... [19:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-haze/+bug/1032215 [19:34] Launchpad bug 1032215 in telepathy-sunshine (Ubuntu) "gadu-gadu contacts invisible in empathy (telepathy-haze)" [Undecided,New] [19:35] !info kadu [19:35] kadu (source: kadu): Gadu-Gadu/XMPP client for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-2 (quantal), package size 4173 kB, installed size 10743 kB [19:35] xD [19:35] shadeslayer: account-plugin-gadugadu is the way in quantal [19:35] what's that? [19:35] god only knows [19:36] I installed it and GG showed up in empathy [19:36] hurr durr [19:37] and it does not import contacts [19:37] #$%#$@%@#$#$@% [19:37] nothing [19:37] use sane protocols, srsly [19:38] it has to be tp backend problem [19:38] sunshine worked until they decided to remove it god knows why [19:38] shadeslayer: In Poland, Gadu support is essential. [19:38] unmaintained [19:38] shadeslayer: What ScottK said [19:39] FWIW, Kadu is a KDE app that is maintained with an upstream that cares about Kubuntu. [19:39] So use that ... [19:39] ScottK: Yes, but unfortunately it makes telepathy look a little bit silly IMO [19:39] hmm [19:40] possible solutions: use Kadu [19:40] look around and see why Pidgin can import contacts using libpurple and we can't [19:40] ABANDON THE WARSHIP [19:41] file a bug against haze? [19:41] I'll first do some research [19:42] not like I can fix this code-wise but at least I can provide information [19:42] right [19:45] Quintasan: If telepathy wants to look silly, who am I to stop them. [19:46] Right. [19:46] ALLOW USERS TO UNIFY THEIR CONTACTS [19:46] Don't support the most popular network in Poland [19:46] I don't happen to want my contacts unified, but whatever. [19:47] Not like it's the most important protocol but if you support AOL or sth then you could support GG as well