[00:02] <almoxarife> Belial`: system settings/configure desktop > application appearance > gtk settings
[00:03] <Belial`> yeah, that's where gtk-configuration is.
[00:03] <Belial`> but is there a way to set custom icons that i downloaded? so far i haven't been able to.
[00:03] <Belial`> the drop down list doesn't list all the icon sets.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> but, I'll give it another shot.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> right, I've reconfigured kdm as default dm, I'm now going to stop lightDM and have another go.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> back in a tick
[00:04] <Belial`> maybe i need to put icons in /usr/share/icons for it to see them?
[00:07] <almoxarife> Belial`: you would be better off 'installing' the icon sets thru the 'install' process, then look for them
[00:08] <BarkingFish> I don't know what you did,or how, but KDM is working now,and so is VLC, gimp, usw. Thank you, Snowhog and almoxarife :D
[00:08] <BarkingFish> No more lightDM to content with :P
[00:08] <BarkingFish> Beats the hell out of me why they made it into the default
[00:08] <Belial`> almoxarife, well i have the kfaenza icon set installed through settings, but that's not showing in the drop down menu in gtk-configurator. i wasn't expecting it to though. i think i may have found the answer. it requires editing the gtk rc file.
[00:08] <Belial`> i'll give that a shot.
[00:09] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: you just need to re-install it :)
[00:10] <almoxarife> Belial`: not sure, i installed qtcurve for gtk and kde, nice uniform icon set that looks good on both, no more worries
[00:10] <BarkingFish> well I'm glad I did.  What possessed us to use a non KDE app as the dm for KDE?  Surely KDM is and *should be* the default for KDE.
[00:11] <Belial`> almoxarife, yeah, i was thinking about checking into that too. it's more or less the reason why i don't use firefox. oxygen kde for firefox breaks every time firefox updates, so i've been sticking with rekonq for now.
[00:13] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: there is a good reason to use lightdm, its centers on the screen, great if your nvidia card overscans on a big plasma screen, you still get to see the dm :) , one good use for lightdm
[00:13] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2NTg
[01:00] <johnjacobjingerh> what happened to quanta plus? it's not in the repositories?
[01:09] <OerHeks> johnjacobjingerh, long time no see quanta+
[01:10] <OerHeks> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.2.0/kdewebdev/quanta/ 3 years old ...
[01:19] <johnjacobjingerh> oh
[01:19] <johnjacobjingerh> damn
[01:19] <johnjacobjingerh> i am only just starting to use it
[01:20] <johnjacobjingerh> sooo... is there any way to get it
[01:20] <johnjacobjingerh> or is there something better for css website design
[01:23] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: What are you looking for?
[01:26] <johnjacobjingerh> nafg quanta plus
[01:45] <sHIERO> moning all
[01:46] <oneadvent> hi sHIERO
[01:46] <sHIERO> hey...
[02:42] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: Have you seen Kompozer?
[02:43] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: Personally for WYSIWYG I've been doing something else recently.
[02:43] <nafg> I use a regular text editor, and livereload.
[02:44] <nafg> It's a script + browser plugin that lets you reload the browser page whenever you save the source file.
[02:44] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: are you still there? :)
[02:45] <oneadvent> ok i have an odd problem,just realized. my middle click isn't working. any ideas on trouble shooting if it is a hardware or software problem
[02:45] <oneadvent> i really only use it in chrome...
[02:45] <nafg> oneadvent: By software you mean driver?
[02:45] <nafg> Or browser code?
[02:45] <nafg> javascript
[02:46] <oneadvent> yea, like the new 12.10 maybe removed the driver
[02:46] <oneadvent> or something...
[02:57] <oneadvent> ok used xinput and i get no response on middle click
[02:58] <oneadvent> i get it on all other button and scrolling and moving actions
[03:09] <oneadvent> arrrggg tried it on lappy, same result, think my mouse button broke :(
[03:13] <OerHeks> oneadvent, same here, middle mouse just scrolls the page. didn't miss it untill you just noticed it.
[03:23] <alex20032> Hi
[03:24] <alex20032> Last time i was here, people suggested me to use "dont remember the name" instead of muon software center
[03:26] <avihay> alex20032: what is synaptic ?
[03:27]  * OerHeks was thinkin about synaptic too
[03:27] <alex20032> no it was not synaptic
[03:27] <alex20032> I alway use synaptic
[03:27] <alex20032> Was something like easy to use software center like ubuntu
[03:28] <alex20032> You know, normally, we use ubuntu software center in combo with synaptic...
[03:28] <alex20032> Just dont remember what people suggested me to use in combo with synaptic
[03:28] <avihay> well, there's package-kit/apper, but I wouldn't recommend it
[03:28] <alex20032> yes, apper
[03:28] <alex20032> this name remember me something
[03:28] <avihay> apt-get?
[03:29] <alex20032> i am not talking about console command
[03:29] <alex20032> Why  you wouldnt recommend apper?
[03:30] <alex20032> I am looking for something better than muon software center
[03:30] <avihay> same reason I wouldn't recommend muon
[03:30] <alex20032> Muon software center dont have thing well sorted(category), top rated, popular download... I am looking for something like ubuntu software center made for kde
[03:32] <alex20032> But i dont want to install ubuntu software center, or it will install lot of dependance file
[03:32] <avihay> they both broke my system, a bit more often then I'd like. did so and told me everything was fine or gave me obscure error messages, and both don't provide the dpkg output, that would have alerted me to errors properly regardless of the gui's poor understanding of what's going on
[03:33] <alex20032> Normally, I use synaptic, but when i what to see, whats hot these time, whats cool... see picture, some info, and rating, popular program... then install with synaptic
[03:34] <alex20032> What about Linux Mint KDE, does it use Muon software center?
[03:38] <alex20032> Ok, mint look like to use a software center i will like more
[03:38] <OerHeks> I don't keep up with all ubuntu forks.
[03:38] <alex20032> But i never understood what is the difference with mint and ubuntu...
[03:39] <alex20032> *Except different desktop and software manager
[03:40] <alex20032> Well, except the main version instead of unity use Mate or cinamon, other version are, at my eye, ubuntu(Kubuntu->Linux mint KDE, Xubuntu->Linux mint XFCE....) with a different theme and software manager
[03:40] <alex20032> I can see what else is different
[03:42] <alex20032> Currently, there is 2 thing i didnt like with kubuntu: Last time i used it, KDE was unstable each time i was copying file(12.04) and also, the software manager. I guess with the new version of KDE, it should be resolved, but I still have a problem with the software manager
[03:49] <johnjacobjingerh> i dunno... i just installed KDE and it's terrible so far
[03:49] <johnjacobjingerh> the konsole crashed twice
[03:49] <johnjacobjingerh> and so did the web browser and all i did was load www.google.com
[03:51] <Jekyll> johnjacobjingerh: backtrace ?
[03:51] <johnjacobjingerh> didnt
[03:52] <johnjacobjingerh> just happened, i'm only using to test something for a sec
[04:52] <Sector7> Hello everybody :D
[05:37] <syria> Hi, I want to update from 12.04 to 12.10 but I get this error! http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png
[05:39] <hateball> syria: What does it say if you click on details
[05:40] <syria> hateball:  It says "   Encountered a section with no Package: header"
[05:40] <xixor> hi everyone!
[05:45] <syria> hateball:  Do you have an idea what should I do please?
[05:45] <xixor> yo! Can anyone provide some tips for upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 before I proceed?
[05:45] <hateball> syria: do you get the same result if you run this in a terminal: sudo apt-get update
[06:01] <noaXess> moring
[06:01] <noaXess> someone also uses citrix icaclient on 12.10?
[06:01] <noaXess> or.. ther question.. whats the package name for ms core fonts? i think i need them..
[06:03] <syria>  Hi, I want to update from 12.04 to 12.10 but I get this error! http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png
[06:04] <noaXess> syria: what about running this command: sudo do-release-upgrade
[06:04] <syria> noaXess:  I will try it now.
[06:05] <syria> noaXess:  Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[06:05] <syria> No new release found !!!
[06:06] <syria> noaXess:  I am running under Kubuntu 12.04
[06:06] <noaXess> syria: so you need to enable normal releases upgrade in software sources..
[06:07] <syria> noaXess: How do I navigate to the software sources please?
[06:07] <syria> noaXess: Do I have to navigate to the file itself?
[06:08] <noaXess> syria: got to kmenu searc for software, take "muon software Center" and go to "Settings / Confogure Software Sources" and check this http://i.imgur.com/Qx55O.png
[06:10] <syria> noaXess: I cannot do anything after clicking okay, The update will close itself.
[06:10] <syria> noaXess: http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png After clicking okay on the error message.
[06:10] <noaXess> hm... but you can open kmenu?
[06:11] <syria> noaXess: Yes.
[06:11] <noaXess> syria: open apper software center?
[06:11] <syria> but I cannot do anything with http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png
[06:11] <syria> one moment please.
[06:12] <syria> noaXess: I am getting the same message in software center!  " The package system could not be initialized, your configuration may be broken."
[06:12] <noaXess> hm
[06:12] <noaXess> what are in details?
[06:13] <syria> noaXess: It says "   Encountered a section with no Package: header"
[06:13] <noaXess> syria: do a: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:13] <syria> Working....
[06:23] <Wizard> Hello.
[06:26] <syria> noaXess: Err http://dl.google.com stable/main i386 Packages !
[06:27] <syria> noaXess:  I have got some error messages ! 97% [20 Packages xz 0 B]/usr/bin/xz: (stdin): File format not recognized
[06:28] <syria> noaXess:  Please check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296854/
[07:42] <noaXess> what is default sftware manager/updater in kubuntu 12.10? muon or apper?
[07:42] <Wizard> Muon.
[07:46] <noaXess> Wizard: so i can remove or just disable apper?
[07:51] <syria> noaXess:  Hey
[07:52] <noaXess> syria: hey. sorry. got own prolems with my debugging system after upgrade to 12.10.. but fixed now ;)
[07:52] <noaXess> you fixed sours=
[07:52] <noaXess> yours
[07:52] <syria> noaXess: No worries :)... i had a problem>>> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296854/
[07:52] <noaXess> syria: seams there is a google repo problem
[07:53] <noaXess> you disabled google repo?
[07:53] <syria> noaXess:  I don't remember doing this! but few days ago the update operation was not successful, because I lost the internet suddenly.
[07:54] <noaXess> syria: do a sudo apt-get -f install
[07:54] <noaXess> whats the output
[07:55] <syria> noaXess:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296942/
[07:57] <noaXess> syria: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ | grep talkplugin
[07:58] <syria> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296946/
[07:58] <syria> noaXess: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296946/
[08:00] <noaXess> syria: hm.. don't know what happend if you move all those talkplugin files and rerun sudo apt-get update.. may they should be regenerated..
[08:00] <noaXess> i would move them to a temp dir and run: sudo apt-get update
[08:00] <noaXess> and reckeck the files with ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ | grep talkplugin
[08:01] <syria> noaXess:  I will try it.
[08:04] <syria> noaXess:  I cannot move the files seems like it needs permission, I am using the default file manager "Dolphin"
[08:05] <noaXess> syria: do it with sudo ;)
[08:06] <syria> noaXess:  Using the graphical user interfaces is making me lazy! :P
[08:06] <noaXess> sudo mv file newfiel ;)
[08:07] <noaXess> file
[08:08] <syria> noaXess:  Do I have to move the files in this location ? /var/lib/apt/lists/ or this one please? /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ?
[08:11] <noaXess> syria: move it to your home folder or /tmp: sudo mv dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_* /tmp
[08:11] <noaXess> better sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_*
[08:12] <noaXess> this is it: sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_* /tmp
[08:12] <noaXess> grrr
[08:12] <syria> noaXess: It works!!!
[08:13] <noaXess> syria: now: sudo apt-get update
[08:13] <syria> noaXess:  okay
[08:13] <noaXess> and then: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ | grep talkplugin
[08:14] <syria> noaXess:  After this command only, sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_* /tmp ,,, I have received a system notification telling me that security updates are available, then in konsole sudo apt-get update
[08:15] <noaXess> does last command success?
[08:15] <syria> Now I am waiting, If it didn't work, I will move all the files.
[08:15] <noaXess> syria: only talkplugin files have problems
[08:15] <syria> noaXess:  Still working, 100% [Waiting for headers]                                         255 B/s 0s
[08:15] <syria> I have a very slow INTERNET  connection.
[08:16] <syria> Yeah I mean move all the files related to google talk.
[08:16] <noaXess> with above move command all talkplugin files are moved ;)
[08:17] <syria> aaaah I see!!
[08:18] <syria> noaXess:  Google doesn't allow Syrians to use most of all its services.
[08:19] <noaXess> syria: okeee.. so you can't use talkplugin?
[08:20] <syria> noaXess:  No! it is completely useless, Removing it is easier than fixing the problem right?
[08:20] <noaXess> syria: yes.. you need to remove it and also remove the software repo in software sources
[08:21] <noaXess> syria: the package name is: google-talkplugin
[08:21] <syria> "sudo apt-get remove google-talkplugin"
[08:21] <noaXess> you should remove it with: sudo apt-get remove google-talkplugin
[08:21] <noaXess> yeah ;)
[08:21] <syria> Okay
[08:24] <syria> noaXess: I have removed the plugin and the source and now i am waiting for the output of apt-get update
[08:25] <syria> noaXess:  This is how it ended >>> Reading package lists... Done
[08:25] <syria>  I guess we are fine now. :)
[08:25] <noaXess> syria: fine .. now do the sudo apt-get upgrade to ugprade latest packages.. after that you can run the release upgrade over software manager.. or over console with sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:27] <syria> noaXess:  Now I am waiting for the output of sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:28] <noaXess> syria: thing it will take long time to upgrade 12.10
[08:29] <syria> noaXess:  Yeah sure, Thank you very much for your time. :)
[08:29] <noaXess> syria: your welcome ;)
[09:39] <bux> hi there,
[09:40] <bux> I have a data folder in my /home and I like to mount it as /data/
[09:40] <bux> should I use mount cooamnd for that ?
[09:41] <bux> command *
[09:42] <navlelo> you could just symlink it
[09:45] <dogweather> bux: the --bind option to mount does this.
[09:46] <dogweather> Symlinking works as well; there'll be slight differences in how the directories appear under these two methods.
[09:57] <bux> dogweather: yes, but I have this issue
[09:57] <bux> mount: mount point /data/ does not exist
[10:02] <dogweather> Not a problem. Become superuser, then create it.
[11:04] <root5_all_SYS> !backtrack
[11:04] <akis> i am running on xubuntu some kde apps. any idea why skanlite cannot scan images in grey/color mode (i take a smudged image) but it can scan perfectly at lineart mode. SimpleScan nca alos perfectly scan b/w and color images. any advise?
[11:05] <root5_all_SYS> !help
[11:06] <oepra> hello, i've just upgraded to kubuntu 12.10, and i'm now getting a black screen when i start vmware
[11:07] <gardian> i have a login screen problem; my login screen a blue (like the blue of the bsod) and it's very buggy; how can i fix that? (i'm on 12.10)
[11:07] <root5_all_SYS> hi, i want to backup my Operating system, what is the procedure please?
[11:11] <Wizard> root5_all_SYS: There is wide range of backup tools available.
[11:11] <Wizard> From simple to very robust server solutions.
[11:11] <Wizard> If you want to clone your os, clonezilla should be enough.
[11:14] <root5_all_SYS> hi, i want to backup my Operating system, what is the procedure please?
[11:15] <hateball> !backup | root5_all_SYS
[11:15] <FlyingElvis> root5_all_SYS: best thing to do is put your entire home folder on another drive
[11:16] <FlyingElvis> the rest of it is expendable IMO if you have a copy of the iso
[11:16] <hateball> Separating /home on another partition/drive is not making a backup of things, even if it's a good idea.
[11:17] <root5_all_SYS> FlyingElvis: i want to backup with my installed programs, getting internet connection is very dear where i am living
[11:17] <FlyingElvis> ahh then read ubottu
[11:17] <hateball> root5_all_SYS: If you have drivespace, I like clonezilla for doing that
[11:17] <hateball> just dump the entire drive/partition to an image you can restore
[11:18] <root5_all_SYS> hateball: how?
[11:19] <root5_all_SYS> how to make an image?
[11:19] <hateball> root5_all_SYS: here is a nice start http://clonezilla.org/general-live-use.php
[11:30] <root5_all_SYS> my main hard drive is mounted on /, is i partition it without backuping my os , am i going to lose evrething?
[11:37] <L1nk_error_404> my main hard drive is mounted on /, is i partition it without backuping my os , am i going to lose evrething?
[11:37] <Peace-> L1nk_error_404: mm?
[11:37] <yofel> L1nk_error_404: you're only on the safe side with backups. But if you select the current / disk as the new one *without* formatting, it should only erase the OS and keep at least /home intact if that's on the same partition
[11:38] <Peace-> L1nk_error_404: if you install the new system in your harddriver it willl ask you to format
[11:38] <yofel> L1nk_error_404: if you re-partition you will loose all data
[11:40] <L1nk_error_404> grrrrrrrrrrr, thanks to all of you
[11:40] <L1nk_error_404> !thanks
[11:41] <L1nk_error_404> !i know you are a bot
[11:41] <L1nk_error_404> hihi
[11:41] <kroson> Hi, can anyone use libreoffice plugin in Firefox, so it opens document, presentation... files embedded? Thanks
[12:47] <swex_> hello everybody
[12:48] <swex_> after upgrade my kubuntu to 12.10 I've got mouse and keyboard turn off
[12:48] <swex_> and I have to restart X to get them work again
[12:48] <swex_> where to explore issue? any log file etc?
[12:49] <noaXess> swex_: hey and welcome
[12:49] <noaXess> swex_: are you on a notebook?
[12:49] <swex_> I'm login remotely and see keyboard and mouse in lsusb but they dont response to my actions
[12:49] <swex_> noaXess, no desktop pc
[12:50] <noaXess> swex_: hm.. strange...
[12:51] <noaXess> swex_: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:51] <swex_> nothing useful in there..
[12:51] <noaXess> swex_: and then unplug keyboard and replug again.. whats the output?
[12:52] <swex_> noaXess, kernel sees them but they kind of hooked by X
[12:52] <swex_> and dont response to me untill I restart X
[12:53] <noaXess> swex_: hm....
[12:57] <swex_> noaXess, so no X experts?))
[12:57] <noaXess> swex_: yre you using /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[12:57] <swex_> no
[12:59] <natman> Hi, i am unable to shut down my pc using kubuntu
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <Nine_9> hey guys, saturday I`ve updated all the packages then shutdown the pc, today when i turned it on, before the splash screen it displayed a dialog and the network and sound devices doesn`t work. I`m on live cd right now.
[13:16] <Nine_9> every time i start it displays a dialog before the splash screen, and after it it asks if i want to remove my audio devices. The network manager says there`s no network interface
[13:16] <Nine_9> can somebody help me please (insert interrogation point here)
[13:16] <Peace-> mm
[13:17] <Nine_9> bad kd layout
[13:17] <Nine_9> kb
[13:17] <Peace-> Nine_9: your audio is working ?
[13:17] <Peace-> or not?
[13:17] <Nine_9> Peace-: with the live distro yes
[13:17] <Peace-> Nine_9: i mean with the system
[13:17] <Peace-> = no livecd
[13:17] <Nine_9> nope, it doesn`t even detect the interface
[13:18] <Nine_9> and the kernel is the same
[13:18] <Peace-> Nine_9: ok so the kernel is your problem
[13:18] <Peace-> mmm?
[13:18] <Peace-> how can be the same if you have upgraded?
[13:18] <Nine_9> only linux related stuff that i installed is linux-firmwares
[13:19] <Peace-> have you tried with an older kernel ?
[13:19] <Nine_9> i have updated all packages, but there was no kernel update
[13:19] <Peace-> have yoou tried with a new fresh user?
[13:19] <Nine_9> i also have tried an older kernel
[13:19] <Nine_9> Peace-: nope.
[13:19] <Nine_9> nope for the new user
[13:19] <natman> Hi, i am unable to shut down my pc using kubuntu
[13:20] <Nine_9> should i try a new user?
[13:20] <Peace-> Nine_9: try it just to figure out faster
[13:20] <Nine_9> Peace-: ok. be back in a moment
[13:20] <Peace-> Nine_9: sudo adduser testuser
[13:21] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0  this close your computer
[13:21] <BluesKaj> natman, did you try logging out then choosing shutdown
[13:21] <Peace-> natman: try that from konsole
[13:21] <BluesKaj> or sudo halt
[13:22] <natman> BluesKaj: Peace-, hi bottom of thread is attached pic of what happens when i try shutdown -h now from konsole
[13:22] <Peace-> natman: ?
[13:23] <natman> Peace-:  sorry http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?60591-Unable-to-shut-down!
[13:23] <natman> Peace-:  is my thread
[13:23] <Peace-> natman: i am not login in
[13:23] <Peace-> i can 't see it
[13:23] <BluesKaj> natman, are you reading our answers ?
[13:24] <natman> BluesKaj:  i tried the log out and shutdown, gives the same problem
[13:24] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:24] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:24] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:24] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:25] <Peace-> xD
[13:25] <BluesKaj> nat did you try Peace- , command in the terminal ?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> nat
[13:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i guess yes :D
[13:26] <Peace-> BluesKaj: 5:24] <-- natman has left this server (Quit: Konversation terminated!).
[13:26] <BluesKaj> looks that way
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:26] <Smurphy> Anyone tested KUbuntu on a Geforce GTX660Ti  yet ?
[13:26] <Smurphy> Guess I'll ne checking it out next week - on my Gaming machine :)
[13:27] <BluesKaj> oh yeah ..we have so many ppl with that card ?
[13:29] <natman> Peace-: BluesKaj hi back again, ya that command gave the same issue, stalls on shutdown at gre kubuntu logo
[13:31] <BluesKaj> natman, what about Peace- 's command ?
[13:32] <natman> BluesKaj:  It turned my laptop 'off', when i got to the shutdown screen ( gey Kubuntu logo ) it just stalls, and i had to power off by pressing the power button
[13:36] <BluesKaj> natman, I'll ask once more and rephrase. Which command did you use ?
[13:36] <Nine_9> hello guys. Nope, i`ve tried another user and the same thing.
[13:37] <natman> BluesKaj: qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:37] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:37] <BluesKaj> natman, did you try sudo halt , ?
[13:38] <natman> BluesKaj:  yes, it also gives the same problem
[13:38] <Nine_9> after loggin in a message appears complaining that it ``can`t open ConsoleKit session, setuid permission is not correct``
[13:39] <Nine_9> on the network manager it says "network manager is not running" but i`ve tried starting it both with "init.d/ntework-manger start" and "start network-manager" but doesn`t work
[13:40] <Nine_9> any help?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[13:41] <BluesKaj> or start
[13:41] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: ok. i'm lemme try that. thanks.
[13:44] <Peace-> natman: you need to tweak your kernel line
[13:44] <Peace-> natman: i guess i can't see your pic
[13:44] <Peace-> natman: so i am not sure
[13:44] <natman> Peace-: ill past it up for you
[13:47] <natman> paste.kde.org wont load for me, where should i post my pic?
[13:47] <Peace-> natman: ubuntu stuff
[13:50] <natman> Peace-:  BluesKaj http://tinypic.com/r/2ij2f79/6
[13:51] <Peace-> natman: did you mount something not very well ?
[13:52] <natman> Peace-:  nope, all i did was upgrade from 12.04, it all went well then this happens, ( tried shutting down loads of times since, gte the error every time )
[13:52] <Peace-> natman: try thsi sudo stop lightdm & sudo shutdown -h now
[13:52] <natman> Peace-:  ok, brb
[13:54] <Nine_9> Nope, it doesn`t work. It don`t even mount usb devices automatically anymore. It changed the keyboard layout. Is there a way to install packages from the usb device like if it was a CD?
[13:54] <Nine_9> what a disastrous update
[13:55] <Peace-> Nine_9: mm
[13:55] <Peace-> Nine_9: so it's not a user related problem
[13:55] <Peace-> but a system problem
[13:56] <natman> Peace-:  ya same problem, after i ran the command the following appeared before asking for my password " [1] 2773"
[13:58] <Nine_9> is there a way to revert back some packages to the ones in usb
[13:58] <Nine_9> ?
[13:58] <Peace-> mm revert back ?
[13:58] <Nine_9> the muon manager has a wizard to add repo from cdrom, is there a way to add from usb drive?
[13:59] <natman> Peace-:  back to 12.04?
[14:00] <Nine_9> or a way to revert the system to the state it was before the latest update?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[14:00] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: i`ve tried that already.
[14:00] <Peace-> natman:  dmesg | grep -i "mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)"
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, you mentioned a usb , usb what ?
[14:01] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: usb drive
[14:02] <natman> Peace-:  output was http://paste.ubuntu.com/1297552/
[14:02] <Peace-> natman: not sure but read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2008576
[14:02] <Nine_9> man, the worst thing is when network doesn`t work on linux.
[14:03] <Peace-> Nine_9: iwconfig
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, ok , sudo dhclient eth0
[14:04] <Nine_9> Peace-: isn`t that for wireless?
[14:04] <Peace-> Nine_9:  iwconfig  | pastebinit
[14:04] <Peace-> Nine_9: do it
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yes it wifi
[14:04] <Nine_9> my network is wired
[14:04] <Peace-> Nine_9: do it
[14:04] <natman> Peace-:  okay, sounds complicated, will read it and try later
[14:05] <Peace-> Nine_9: or fix by yourself then
[14:05] <Peace-> dude i have to go no time to answer
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, ok try , sudo dhclient eth0 , this should work
[14:05] <Nine_9> Peace-: ok thanks.
[14:06] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: lemme try.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Peace-, no need to be rude
[14:06] <Peace-> ...
[14:06] <Peace-> ok bye
[14:07] <BluesKaj> iwconfig  just gives no wirelkess extensions on a wired connection
[14:08] <Peace-> BluesKaj: if eth0 is recognized shoul dbe in the list
[14:08] <Peace-> if not you have not in the list
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ifconfig is what he needs
[14:10] <Peace-> try iwconfig
[14:10] <Peace-> you will se your eth
[14:10] <sailor_scott> Hi everyone, I'm trying to use a s/mime cert in kmail but I'm getting a red cross when I select it in the identity settings. Can anyone help?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> I see your ppoint Peace- , you could have explained that instead of the other thing you said
[14:10] <Peace-> like i said before no time
[14:10] <Peace-> bye :P
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Peace-, still no reason to be rude
[14:14] <Nine_9> here are the returns of the commands: http://paste.kde.org/577682/
[14:21] <Nine_9> here is the dpkg log> http://paste.kde.org/577694/
[14:22] <Nine_9> I`m thinking about reinstalling the entire system.
[14:23] <Nine_9> the problem is... I`ll have to keep using an outdated version of it, because there`s no way to know when shit will happen, and if it happens, there`s no easy way to revert that.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, your ethernet connection isn't even recognized , run lspci and look for something like this , 00:07.0 Bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
[14:24] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: isn`t it easier to reinstall the entire thing? Because there are more things that doesn`t work. If it were only the ethernet, but the entire system is broken.
[14:25] <Nine_9> I dunno why i had this dumb idea to update something that was working perfectly well.
[14:26] <Nine_9> I blame the update manager though.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, that's your call , but if we knew the kernel module/driver your NIC needs then the networking problem should be eassily fixed . If this is an older pc I suggest the ' alternate install  '
[14:27] <BluesKaj> if a clean install is what you intend
[14:28] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: wait... I can run that command from the live system right?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, yes
[14:29] <BluesKaj> have you updated upgraded the system since the install ?
[14:29] <Nine_9> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$ lspci | grep Ethernet 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
[14:29] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: nope, just some packages.
[14:30] <Nine_9> i`ve installed it this month
[14:30] <Nine_9> sorry, upgrade != update. so nope
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yeah kind of difficult without an internet connection
[14:33] <march84> hello everyone
[14:34] <march84> i have found a bug in 12.10 but no idea how to search for it or how to report it
[14:36] <L3top> !bug
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Nine_9,  try loading the atheros module : sudo modprobe atl1e  , thiis might do the trick
[14:37] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: ok. however, i wonder why there are so many "half-installed" packages in dpkg log
[14:37] <march84> when i unplug/plug power supply or the battery is fully charged, i found all the mounted partition (/home, /windows,/whatever) mounted but not accessible
[14:37] <march84> and not unmountable either (busy)
[14:37] <march84> only way to solve is rebooting
[14:37] <march84> how can i "name" this bug
[14:37] <Nine_9> anyway, lemme try that
[14:42] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: yeah! It works! Thank you man!
[14:42] <BluesKaj> cool , Nine_9  :)
[14:43] <BluesKaj> now you can run your updates and upgrades , Nine_9
[14:43] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: yeah, and the module was atl1c in fact
[14:43] <Nine_9> atl1e didn't work
[14:44] <BluesKaj> how did you dind the correct module ?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> find
[14:44] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: well. i was going to try all atheros modules (atlXXX) the second one i've tried after atl1e was atl1c and it worked :) heh
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:46] <SIR_Taco_> ath5k or ath9k don't work?
[14:46] <Nine_9> i'm gonna disable all the non official repos and also the backports one and update/downdate everything
[14:46] <Nine_9> SIR_Taco_: nope
[14:46] <SIR_Taco_> weird
[14:46] <Nine_9> mine is atheros 8151
[14:46] <SIR_Taco_> ah
[14:46] <Nine_9> ar8151
[14:52] <Nine_9> is there a program or something that allows you to "restore" the system to a previous state?
[14:52] <Nine_9> It would be useful imho. So I could create a backup of the working system before updating
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, have you run the updates and upgrades to finish the half installed packages
[14:53] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: running right now
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:54] <Nine_9> you know, a kind of system backup helper, but for the system itself, disconsidering /home
[14:54] <BluesKaj> you'll probly find your setup will work fully afterwards, 12.10 is pretty stable
[14:56] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: but I'm using the lts version (12.04) should i upgrade the entire thing to 12.10?
[14:56] <Nine_9> LTS
[14:56] <Nine_9> i was planning to keep using the LTS
[14:57] <Nine_9> until the next LTS. I wasn't planning to use these rapid release versions
[14:58] <Nine_9> but if it's more stable it's not a bad idea to upgrade i think.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, it has a longer support period , and if you require that for work or home office etc then yes it is a good idea to stay on 12.04LTS
[14:58] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: ok.
[15:14] <Fifo> hi everybody
[15:15] <Fifo>  
[15:16] <Fifo> HI
[15:17] <march84> hi
[15:20] <Fifo> hi
[15:26] <ggggguest> hi
[15:30] <ggggguest> Could someone please help me out. I just upgraded to Kubuntu 12.10 and in muon and in the software center searching for packages only gives very limited results. i couldn't find the package for synaptic or mdam for example. had to apt-get them. synaptic's quick search is the same, the only thing that works is the search button in synaptic. anything else won't display the packages i search for
[15:30] <Peace->  ggggguest apt-cache search stuff
[15:31] <Peace-> ggggguest: just do an alias for that
[15:32] <ggggguest> isn't it possible to search for the packages with a graphical client like muon anymore in 12.10? it used to work fine in 12.04. i'm on a fresh install by the way.
[15:32] <Peace-> ggggguest: i guess you can but idon't use it btw
[15:33] <Peace-> i find konsole faster
[15:34] <Peace-> ggggguest: i find synaptic btw in muon ... http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/22/plasma-desktopl23480.png
[15:34] <ggggguest> Peace: i see. i prefer browsing through the packages with muon or synaptic
[15:36] <Nine_9> okay, it took some decades, but now it's installed and i'm going to restart to see if it works
[15:36]  * Nine_9 cross fingers
[15:36] <march84> i have mount problems since 12.10
[15:36] <ggggguest> Peace:  thanks for checking it out on your machine! looks like it's working perfectly for you.
[15:39] <Nine_9> yay! it works!
[15:39] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: thank you very much! You're really an awesome kubuntu guru :D
[15:40] <Nine_9> it was just a matter of running "apt-get install -f"
[15:40] <Nine_9> as superuser o'course
[15:40] <Nine_9> after disabling those repos also
[15:40] <BluesKaj> no I'm not a guru , just a guy who's glad to see ppl using open source :)
[15:41] <Nine_9> a humble guru :D
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , sometimes the dependencies get broken and a quick re-upgrade is in order
[15:43] <ggggguest> Peace: really strange
[15:43] <ggggguest> Peace: i can only see the packages: Muon and the xserver driver for synaptics
[15:55] <Fifo> hi
[15:57] <ggggguest> Peace: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/snapshot1sd.jpg/ that what it looks like here
[15:59] <Nine_9> What's the irc client in Peace's screenshot?
[16:02] <ggggguest> webchat.freenode.net
[16:03] <ggggguest> webirc by freenode because my quassel kept crashing
[16:03] <Nine_9> oh noes, web-based irc client! :B
[16:04] <ggggguest> Nine_9: horrible!
[16:04] <Nine_9> but i was talkin bout the client here: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/22/plasma-desktopl23480.png
[16:04] <Nine_9> quassel works very well here
[16:04] <Fifo> but i think i finally fixed quassel now (me=gggggeust)
[16:05] <Fifo> oh i thought you ment my screenshot
[16:06] <Fifo> i still haven't figured out why i can't find my packages
[16:07] <Nine_9> i can find synaptic here, but i agree it's hard to find some packages in muon
[16:08] <Nine_9> for example, nm-appled
[16:08] <Fifo> i don't get why i can't find it...
[16:08] <Fifo> can't find gnome-disk-utility either
[16:09] <Nine_9> when i type gnome-disk the first item that appears is  gnome-disk-utility
[16:12] <Fifo> not here. not in synaptic. not in muon. not in software center
[16:12] <Nine_9> =/
[16:13] <Nine_9> that's why i almost always use apt-get and tab-completion :)
[16:14] <Nine_9> a good search tool would be useful though, sometimes you forget the packages names
[16:14] <Fifo> but i find it hard to find software that i don't know the name of that way
[16:14] <Fifo> exactly what i meant
[16:15] <Fifo> i'll try a restart
[16:15] <Nine_9> last time i checked the search in synaptic (not the quick filtering one) were pretty good
[16:29] <Nine_9> #games
[16:29] <Nine_9> wrong channel
[16:32] <Fifo> no luck
[16:33] <Fifo> refreshed packages a gazillion times..
[16:34] <Fifo> no clue how to make this work. repo settings look good
[16:34] <_jam> Fifo: i just joined, you having issues upgrading?
[16:35] <Fifo> i did a fresh install of 12.10; now i can't see most of the packages when serching for them in muon, software center and synaptic
[16:36] <_jam> n/m then. good luck
[16:36] <Fifo> for example i couldn't find synaptic in muon - had to install via commandline
[16:36] <Fifo> n/m?
[16:37] <Fifo> _jam: n/m?
[16:40] <OerHeks> Fifo, n/m = short for never mind.
[17:11] <Fifo> OerHeks thanks
[17:11] <Nine_9> Fifo: synaptic search tool isn't working properly also?
[17:11] <Nine_9> not the quick filter thing
[17:11] <Fifo> the quicksearch is not working
[17:11] <Fifo> the search is
[17:12] <Fifo> sorry it's called quick filter
[17:13] <Fifo> i still couldn't figure out what's wrong
[17:13] <Fifo> maybe i'll do another fresh install of kubuntu and hope it wont't be there any more
[17:14] <Nine_9> maybe it's a cache problem dunno if it makes sense because i think every package manager has its own independent search engine
[17:14] <Nine_9> try to clean apt cache
[17:19] <Fifo> you're a genius!!
[17:20] <Fifo> it's working again! thank you so much Nine_9
[17:20] <Wizard> :D
[17:20] <Nine_9> nope, i'm not a genius. I'm glad it worked :)
[18:06] <ptomblin> After the upgrade, my email isn't getting delivered to /var/mail/ any more.  Instead, I see the following in my logs: /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -c /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf -m "${EXTENSION}"
[18:06] <ptomblin> How do I get my email?
[18:14] <Wizard> ptomblin: Do you use dovecot on Kubuntu o_O?
[18:15] <ptomblin> Yes, but up until I upgraded, it was great because it didn't mess with the way I stored email (so local users could use mutt and remote users could use imap)
[18:15] <ptomblin> but now it's hiding my email somewhere else, and even my imap users can't find it.
[18:16] <Wizard> Hmm.. Have you checked package changelog?
[18:16] <Wizard> Maybe there is some info about it :)
[18:16] <Wizard> Than, check this config files.
[18:16] <Wizard> s/files/file/g
[18:16] <ptomblin> Where would I find that?  I'm used to Debian, where they don't change the entire way the package works without some sort of option to keep the old config.
[18:18] <Wizard> They do, sometimes.
[18:19] <Wizard> Check /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf
[18:20] <ptomblin> I can't find the option called "totally_fuck_up_your_users_email"
[18:23] <bazhang> ptomblin, no cursing here
[18:23] <shadeslayer> !language > ptomblin
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ptomblin: and apt-get changelog foobar will get you the changelog for foobar
[18:27] <ptomblin> The changelog doesn't mention "move people's email from mbox to maildir, but don't tell imap about the change so it's still looking in the mbox"
[18:30] <Wizard> This is funny :)
[18:34] <ptomblin> It appears this package "mail-stack-delivery" make some really annoying changes to my postfix configuration as well, including stripping out some of my spam protections.
[18:34] <ptomblin> Way to go, Kubuntu.
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ptomblin: not Kubuntu's fault really
[18:36] <shadeslayer> blame dovecot packaging, Kubuntu has nothing to do with dovecot
[18:38] <ptomblin> I think I'm going back to Debian - they know how to do an upgrade without breaking everything.
[18:40] <Wizard> Brave words.
[18:49] <Quintasan> ptomblin: FYI I do not think Kubuntu Developers are responsible for any changes to that package. It would be far more productive to report a bug against that package (if you are sure that a change in that package broke the whole thing) to let people know about possible problems instead of implying that we are incompetent
[18:50] <ptomblin> Right now, my priority is to get email working again for my users.  I'll consider a bug report when I have things working like they did before the upgrade.
[18:55] <Quintasan> ptomblin: You might as well try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[20:46] <alesan> hi
[20:46] <alesan> I use kubuntu, with all the effects disabled etc
[20:47] <alesan> do you think an AMD card that I want to buy will work? I will be connecting 3 monitors to it
[21:07] <artao> hai .. how can I completely disable a piece of hardware? the digital audio on my graphics card keeps taking over from the mobo audio ... i won't be using the video card's audio any time in the forseeable future, so I want it gone
[21:12] <maxstyvason> what happened to all the emulators in the repositories?
[21:12] <maxstyvason> am I the only one who noticed them missing?
[21:23] <rozmuq> hi. when i'm trying to install something, i get many errors.. http://pastebin.com/8Li15u4K
[21:24] <maxstyvason> looks like the downlaoded package is in shambles
[21:25] <maxstyvason> try another repository
[21:46] <maxstyvason> haha in mario all stars 9-4 it has japanese text in the english version
[21:47] <maxstyvason> wew a2
[21:47] <maxstyvason> whats the furthest anyone has ever made it in this game
[22:06] <DarthFrog> artao: you can disable it in pulseaudio, using (I think) pavucontrol.
[22:31] <artao> i'll try that DarthFrog
[22:44] <artao> well. that seems to have disabled it, for now.
[22:44] <artao> now to see if it persists
[22:45] <jmichaelx> are there any xorg-edgers users here?
[22:45] <dougl> xorg-edgers?
[22:46] <jmichaelx> if you don't know what it is, you're not using it
[22:47] <artao> that appears to have worked DarthFrog .. that which previously triggered the audio takover no longer does
[22:47] <artao> i suppoe i should logout-in to save those settings
[22:48] <dougl> ah - so must mean you dont have time to explain... if ya talked about it more the channel would have more opportunity to help you.
[22:48] <dougl> jmichaelx, ^^^
[22:50] <dougl> jmichaelx, I always try to chat about issues, even when I know nothing about them... eventually the channel starts then we all learn something... thats just me tho - best of luck to you ::)
[22:51] <jmichaelx> dougl: many thanks for your helpful attitude, but i really only wanted to know whether anyone else was using that PPA.
[22:52] <dougl> jmichaelx, cheers...
[22:53] <jmichaelx> dougl: the bigger issue i am working on, is trying to get nvidia + vdpau working. it winds up being broken a good deal of the time.
[22:54] <dougl> jmichaelx, I thot vdpau was out long enough that it would be working without a hitch - sorry to hear about the trouble...
[22:55] <jmichaelx> vdpau has not worked for me (on three machines, with three different nvidia cards) at release, for the last three kubuntu releases
[22:55] <jmichaelx> dougl: no, it's broken much of the time
[22:56] <dougl> I was looking forward to vdpau when I was interested in media center since then have not tried to keep up or had any interest...
[22:56] <dougl> that sucks
[22:56] <jmichaelx> dougl: i think it mostly sucks that proprietary drivers are involved
[22:57] <dougl> jmichaelx, that always seems to be at the root of the issue... all comes back to that.
[22:57] <jmichaelx> yep. it sure does
[22:58] <dougl> are the opensource drivers ever gonna support vdpau?
[22:58] <jmichaelx> i seriously doubt it, but who knows. i think that would depend a lot on whether or not nvidia would ever open up more of their specs
[23:00] <dougl> jmichaelx, yeah - not likely... if they are gonna be so closed minded maybe they should make a Nvidia Linux - err maybe not.
[23:01] <jmichaelx> dougl: i'm surprised that you've never heard of the xorg-edgers PPA. it provides a newer xorg and drivers (both free and closed) than what are found in the repos... but it is also a 'use at your own risk' kind of a deal. for me, their packages *usually* work MUCH better that the packages provided by ubuntu
[23:01] <dougl> just do a better job on the drivers is better spent.
[23:02] <dougl> jmichaelx, I am stock out of the box these days... work is very time consuming - I want to be able to get up an running in less that 4 hours if need be...
[23:03] <jmichaelx> using both ubuntu's repos, and the exorg-edgers PPA, i find that i will get VDPAU working, but then it will break again at the next upgrade.
[23:03] <dougl> jmichaelx, doh! damn upgrades.
[23:03] <jmichaelx> dougl: yea, but playing high def does not work out of the box on much of anything i have... without VDPAU
[23:05] <dougl> jmichaelx, when I got the new job I bought appletv for entertainment... computers are just for youtube and facebook and sound and printer server...
[23:05] <dougl> HD does not work or gives your cpu a hernia?
[23:05] <jmichaelx> dougl: i understand what you're saying, but it really is not supposed to be that way
[23:06] <dougl> ah - re read = better understanding
[23:06] <jmichaelx> dougl: it does not work. audio & video wind up wau out of sync... CPU usage goes very high... it's ridiculous
[23:06] <dougl> right
[23:06] <jmichaelx> way*
[23:07] <artao> well. ... logging out crashed .. i gotta remember to unplug my dictaphone and camera before doing that .. but the disabled hdmi audio remained disabled, and the mobo audio is still in charge ... so YAY
[23:07] <jmichaelx> good video performance in linux is still a very problematic thing
[23:08] <dougl> jmichaelx, not sure what to say here regarding the channel chiming in on our chat...
[23:08] <dougl> everyone is sleeping today.
[23:09] <dougl> supper time here - gotta run.
[23:10] <dougl> jmichaelx, you take care and save some hair to pull out next upgrade... seriously - good luck
[23:10] <jmichaelx> dougl: ok, bon appetit!
[23:12] <jmichaelx> what's bad, is that i had vdpau working, using xorg-ppa packages. at that point, i should have commented out that PPA in sources.list....    but instead, i let it upgrade again... now VDPAU is broken
[23:15] <jmichaelx> the words torvalds had for nvidia a few months back were none too strong
[23:15] <isaac> does anyone know where to obtain  libjpeg.so.8 please?
[23:16] <tsimpson> !find libjpeg.so.8
[23:18] <isaac> and just what package would that be?
[23:18] <tsimpson> isaac: libjpeg-turbo8 is the package name
[23:18] <isaac> Okie. Thanks.
[23:18] <tsimpson> you should have it already though
[23:19] <tsimpson> it's part of the default install
[23:19] <isaac> not if U're still running 10.x LTS
[23:19] <isaac> But I may backup / and upgrade this weekend.
[23:20] <isaac> I'm not sure I'm going to like 12.x
[23:20] <tsimpson> I don't see libjpeg-turbo8 in Lucid, so I don't think it's available
[23:20] <isaac> it is available in 11.x LTS apparently
[23:21] <tsimpson> yes, 11.04
[23:21] <tsimpson> but not 10.04
[23:21] <isaac> 10.x getting old, I have to upgrade
[23:22] <tsimpson> you have until next April to upgrade from 10.04 (Lucid), and you can upgrade straight to 12.04 (Precise) from it
[23:22] <isaac> managed to get this far with it though :-)
[23:22] <isaac> I won't like 12.x
[23:22] <tsimpson> why not?
[23:22] <isaac> What happens in april,  10.x repositories evaporate?
[23:23] <tsimpson> no, updates for the desktop components will end
[23:23] <tsimpson> server support continues until 2015
[23:23] <isaac> ...and probably some repo's
[23:23] <isaac> incentive to upgrade
[23:24] <tsimpson> no, the repos will remain until the server support ends
[23:24] <tsimpson> but they are still accessible, just from a different server
[23:25] <tsimpson> see http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ it goes right back until 4.10
[23:58] <BlackBsd> :-) have not been here in a while. hello