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ssulacohello01:00
naDahhey guys, gotta a bit of a problem with my keymap and do belive it was here i got help the last time around01:42
Unit193May have been in http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuFAQ ?01:43
naDahnope, i've already googled my heart out01:43
Unit193Well, what's the issue?01:44
naDahthe first problem was that lxde reverted my keymap to us on reboot so i solved that problem by putting setxkmap se in autostart, so far so good but now i can't make grave accents, the tilde-sing and some other characters01:46
naDahsing = sign01:47
jmarsdennaDah: You could try my old way using dpkg-reconfigure to set the desired keyboard layout in your initramfs... I have not tried it on 12.10 yet, but I think it will still work.    su-to-root -X -c "dpkg-reconfigure -fgnome keyboard-configuration"04:38
Kamilion'llo. Recently upgraded a bunch of machines; had a panel app to measure cpu, ram, net, swap, and disk @ 50ms with my old setup, can't seem to figure out how to get a rapidly updating graph in my panel with 12.1004:40
naDahjmarsden, no it doesn't help, also I'm on 12.04 since 12.10 wouldn't let me connect to the internet04:41
jmarsdennaDah: OK.  Please do file a bug report about the 12.10 issue on Launchpad, and provide full details, so we can look at getting it fixed.04:42
wxlKamilion: i don't remember such a thing, unless you mean, like, compiz or something goofy04:42
wxl…but that's not a panel app04:43
naDahjmarsden, consider it done04:43
Kamilionwxl: plain ol' gnome-system-monitor04:43
Kamilionall i want is my fast update rate back, i don't mind the configurationless lxpanel cpu meter applet, just need to change it's update rate04:43
wxlisn't that an app, not a panel app, Kamilion ?04:43
Kamilionhttp://files.sllabs.com/files/images/maverick-panel.png04:44
Kamilioni'm pretty sure that's what's called a panel app04:44
wxlKamilion: yep; also looks like ubuntu04:45
Kamilionhttp://files.sllabs.com/files/images/maverick-panel2.png04:46
Kamilionyep.04:46
wxlKamilion: and you realize you're on the lubuntu channel and ubuntu != lubuntu?04:46
Kamilion[21:43:50] <Kamilion> all i want is my fast update rate back, i don't mind the configurationless lxpanel cpu meter applet, just need to change it's update rate04:47
Kamilionis that a change I can make through some kind of dynamic configuration like dconf/gconf, config files in ~, etc, or will I have to apt-src the package and make a code change?04:47
wxlKamilion: first off there are resource monitors you can use to get cpu and ram but the refresh rate is the refresh rate afaik04:48
Random832i've actually got lxpanel source, so I can look04:48
wxl…unless you want to change code04:48
jmarsdenKamilion: I suspect increasing the update rate would increase its CPU utilization... and Lubuntu is intended to work on older slower PCs.  So unless there is a cpu panel meter config file somewhere (there might be, I have not looked for it), you'll probably have to edit the code.04:48
KamilionRandom832: thanks; that'd be totally helpful :D04:48
Random832It is, in fact, hardcoded to 1500 milliseconds.04:49
Kamilionalso -- what's up with "Resource Monitors" being the CPU and RAM apps linked together?04:49
Random832no idea04:50
wxlwhy? so you can have a ram monitor, too? XD04:50
Kamilionah, nevermind... CPU only, CPU + ram, and Network monitor04:50
Random832I will note that "Resource Monitors" updates every second04:50
Kamilionis that configurable, Random832, or hardcoded?04:50
Random832hardcoded04:50
Kamilionk, got a filename and linenumber for me? :304:51
Random832src/plugins/monitors/monitors.c04:51
Random832and there's actually two places you have to change since it calls a timer function that sets the interval in seconds, you'd need to change the function call to make it use milliseconds, look in src/plugins/cpu/cpu.c04:52
Kamilionno problem, I'm familar enough with GTK04:52
Random832I was doing some hacking on lxpanel the other day because the cpufreq frontend app is disabled04:52
Random832[or, rather, the menu from it is disabled]04:52
Kamilionalso -- anyone else use wajig?04:53
Random832whats that04:55
Kamilioninteractive apt-get04:55
wxlanother one? bah04:56
Kamilionit's actually been around04:56
KamilionI just realized it's in the maverick repos04:56
NUCLEARWINTERKamilion, you could use conky for monitoring such a things04:56
NUCLEARWINTERbut it will really use your CPU for drawing those nice neat graphs04:56
KamilionNUCLEARWINTER: doesn't that require that I minimize everything to look at the desktop to see that?04:56
wxlNUCLEARWINTER: did you see his desktop??? XD04:57
NUCLEARWINTERKamilion, or you can change workspace04:57
NUCLEARWINTERwxl, unfortunately04:57
Kamilionhm, not a bad idea. I normally disable the workspaces04:57
NUCLEARWINTERlike you have terminal and something in #1 where you can see conky04:58
* Kamilion can't upgrade this machine from maverick until nvidia releases cuda 5.004:58
NUCLEARWINTERand you have brwoser in #2 and email client in #304:58
KamilionI don't really use workspaces too often, i admit.04:58
NUCLEARWINTERyour shame04:58
NUCLEARWINTERI use if I dont have a multiple displays04:59
Kamilioneh, I've got a single 1080p panel on a quad core05:00
Kamiliongenerally I only have chromium, nautilus, vmware, and a couple terminals open.05:00
Kamilionand kvirc.05:01
* jmarsden usually has IRC/Skype/other real time comms in #1, Terminals in #2, whatever I'm working on (Emacs, app being debugged, whatever) in #3, email in #4, browser in #5, Virtual machine related stuff in #6 :)05:01
Kamilionalso -- this was quite annoying: http://files.sllabs.com/files/images/fix-onlyshowin.png     -- trying to find why the packages I installed didn't show up in my applications menu >.<05:02
Kamilioni was lucky lxinput was there05:02
NUCLEARWINTERbecouse their Categories are wrong05:02
Kamilionno -- OnlyShowIn05:02
NUCLEARWINTERdoes not matter05:03
Kamilioncategory works fine; they show up in Accessories just fine now.05:03
Kamilioni just appended LXDE; to the proper OnlyShowIn entries05:03
* Kamilion uses rabbitvcs and dropbox05:04
Kamilionneed nautilus --no-desktop for that05:04
Kamilionand i use too many gedit plugins :305:05
Kamilionother than that; have always preferred lubuntu as my base; I even install x2go and lubuntu-core+nautilus+gedit+gnome-terminal on my servers.05:05
Kamilionso; great job at bringing LXDE to ubuntu and keeping it alive and loved for so long :D05:07
Kamilion*GASP* Oh, oh, cuda 5 SDK was released on october 15th... I'M FREE OF MAVERICK!05:08
Kamilionhere I come lubuntu quantal :D05:08
Kamilion... Wait, what? It still only supports 10.10 and 11.04?!05:08
Kamilionoh, now i feel dumb. nvidia-cuda-toolkit is in quantal's repo.05:12
Kamilionmeh. Maybe I'll just install KVM on quantal; shove maverick into a guest and assign the guest one of the nvidia cards, since I don't think vmware9 does PCI device passthrough05:14
zrutyAh, I guessed right...05:23
zrutyWhich is the program similar to NetworkManager under Gnome that is used in Lubuntu?05:24
jmarsdenzruty: Is this a trick question?  The program similar to NetworkManager under Gnome that is used in Lubuntu is... NetworkManager05:48
zrutyNo, no trick question. I can not find it in the systray05:51
zrutyMaybe I need to rephrase05:51
zrutyIn Gnome there is networkmanager05:51
zrutyBut that can not be used under LXDE, so what does lubuntu use, since that is LXDE?05:52
zrutyjmarsden: see up06:03
jmarsdenzruty: the package network-manager is installed by default in Lubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 as far as I know.  Run the command   dpkg -l network-manager   to verify this, if you see it listed with ii at the start of the output line, it is installed.06:04
jmarsdenzruty: You could also run the command   nm-tool  to see the current network manager status, if I am correct.06:06
jmarsdenzruty: If we need to look for icons, in my Lubuntu 12.10 installation here there is an icon near the right of the panel which has two arrows in it, one pointing up and one pointing down.  Clicking it reveals a popup menu including an item named Edit.  Clicking that gets me into a dialog about editing network settings... is that what you are looking for?06:08
zrutyYes, I am looking for that applet, so I can get networking working06:11
JohnDoe_71Rusrun nm-applet ?06:12
jmarsdenFor me it is "just there" by default.  if you you can try editing the lxpanel and adding it by hand.06:12
zrutyAdd applet?06:13
AscavasaionAnyone else here having continual crashes using Ubuntu 12.04.1?  Especially when using filemanagers?06:16
jmarsdenzruty: At a shell prompt, type    nm-applet &    and see if you then it the icon you are looking for?06:17
zrutyjmarsden: That works!06:18
zrutyThanks!06:18
jmarsdenzruty: You're welcome.  Not sure why the default nm-applte did not start (or died) for you, but at least now you can try to fix the issue :)06:18
zrutyEven the network works now06:18
zrutyYes!06:18
zrutyThanks again!06:19
jmarsdenzruty: No problem.06:19
aptosidis there a way to track changes to lubuntu... what did get an update and such?08:43
KamilionRandom832: Thanks much. http://files.sllabs.com/files/storage/kamilion/lxpanel-mon/lxpanel-monitor.c.diff09:21
Kamilionhttp://files.sllabs.com/files/storage/kamilion/lxpanel-mon/lxpanel_0.5.10%2bgit20120823-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb09:22
lotushey,14:17
aptosidis there a way to track changes to lubuntu... what did get an update and such?14:22
holsteinaptosid: i usually look before i leap.. i like to scan the list of changes before i run the upgrade14:49
holsteini find, if there is hardware support breakage, its usually a kernel upgrade that "breaks" it14:50
holsteinaptosid: depending on how you did the upgrade.. i think synaptic keeps a list of what happened14:50
pmatulisaptosid: /var/log/apt15:04
aptosidholstein pmatulis i mean where i can see on a website what did change... so before i do the update... but thx for the info16:11
pmatulisaptosid: you would need to look at the changelogs of each package16:20
pmatulis(apt-get changelog <package>) should help16:22
aptosidyes and i would like to know if ubuntu or lubuntu offers such... i did look around but didnt find such... can also be that i didnt look good enough... to get hard facts is a always a problem and difficult to find on the website16:22
aptosidi did look into know issues before upgrade... even such is difficult to find...16:23
holsteinwell, to get hard facts about your particular hardware case is near impossible16:24
aptosidright... thats the reason i asked if there is a website where i can look before for myself... so i can see ahhh changes or not and then decide what i do16:28
holsteini typically que up the upgrade, glance through the list, and do some research if necessary.. sometimes i have read "nothing will break" and it did... and i have read "things will be bad" and they werent.. i typically just read, and go for it and know how to fix or revert16:30
aptosidyes is a way16:32
aptosidmy mistake is that i didnt try the live cd before the upgrade... burning was ok but it dosnt boot and for unknown reasons f6 for nomodeset dosnt work16:34
leszekhi16:55
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pmatulishi19:04
yngveI folks! I did a fresh 12.10 install and have no sound in build-in speakers. I have sound on headphones. It worked in 12.0419:52
wxlyngve: let's start with the obvious. have you checked alsamixer and made sure nothing's muted?19:53
yngve I have checked alsamixer and everything seems to be working (I can see the volum indicater jumping up and down while playing music). Nothing is muted, sound in headphones but no sound on the speakers. It works when I use the Lubuntu 12.04 live CD. I am on Macbook air 1.1.19:53
wxlhm19:53
yngveI have gone through http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto...lem-on-ubuntu/19:54
yngveAnd https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems19:54
yngvethat*s http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/19:54
wxlyngve: i don't have an answer for you right now but i have a theory that it may be due to the hardware you have. i have noticed a bunch of the ppc folks are having problems with sound.19:54
wxlyou use grub, not yaboot, right?19:54
yngveppc?19:55
wxlppc = old apple19:55
yngveI use grub yes19:55
yngveAh19:55
yngveyes itś old, 200819:55
wxlso could you give me the results of "lspci | grep -i audio"19:55
yngveSo I am not alone. That is good19:55
wxlyeah but it's still an intel chip, nto a ppc19:55
wxlmight have the same audio card tho19:55
yngveIt is Intel realtek I think19:59
wxli need the exact line please20:00
yngvemm, how did I get that?20:03
wxlytou can copy and paste20:03
wxlah you're on xchat20:04
wxli swear xchat has an /exec command but can't be sure20:04
wxlit does20:04
wxldo this:20:04
wxl /exec -o lspci | grep -i audio20:05
wxlwithout the space before the slash of course20:05
yngve00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)20:06
wxlthanks20:06
aptosidhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207486720:07
wxlaptosid: random?20:07
aptosidno... the reason is that he is looking after another distro because he cant get it working20:08
aptosidso i thought maybe someone from here can give him an answer... before he leaves ubuntu20:09
wxlif it doesn't work, it doesn't work i guess. makes me wonder if it will work elsewhere. if it will, he can provide which version it took and we can make a bug report so he can come back to ubuntu. beyond that, if he does find a driver that works, there are ways to get it into ubuntu, even unofficially20:10
aptosidut is still the question... it did work before... so what changes were done that it dosnt work anymore20:12
aptosidbut20:12
wxlgood question20:12
wxli'd ask the guy who apparently knows that20:12
wxli.e. 2nd to last reply20:12
aptosidwhat i found out that there are newer drivers at x.org... the pulls were from august... the latest changes in september... and some look important like fix build with...20:16
wxlso someone with the hardware should test them20:17
wxlas obviously those without can't XD20:17
aptosid:D20:19
wxli hope you realize i'm not trying to be unhelpful, but i don't know what other help i can offer.20:19
aptosidnp20:20
yngveseems like ppa:mactel-support does not for lubuntu 12.1020:25
yngveMaybe it was a bad idea upgrade when I have an old mac20:26
chaotixhi all.....  anyone know how to add the search bar to synaptic package man. ?   i know that i can click on search, but in some distrobutions there is a search bar where the search button is in LXDE, and i find it to be wayyyy more convenient. looked around in settings→preferences but i cant seem to find it :(    ...anyone know where it is??23:59

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