[01:00] <ssulaco> hello
[01:42] <naDah> hey guys, gotta a bit of a problem with my keymap and do belive it was here i got help the last time around
[01:43] <Unit193> May have been in http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuFAQ ?
[01:43] <naDah> nope, i've already googled my heart out
[01:44] <Unit193> Well, what's the issue?
[01:46] <naDah> the first problem was that lxde reverted my keymap to us on reboot so i solved that problem by putting setxkmap se in autostart, so far so good but now i can't make grave accents, the tilde-sing and some other characters
[01:47] <naDah> sing = sign
[04:38] <jmarsden> naDah: You could try my old way using dpkg-reconfigure to set the desired keyboard layout in your initramfs... I have not tried it on 12.10 yet, but I think it will still work.    su-to-root -X -c "dpkg-reconfigure -fgnome keyboard-configuration"
[04:40] <Kamilion> 'llo. Recently upgraded a bunch of machines; had a panel app to measure cpu, ram, net, swap, and disk @ 50ms with my old setup, can't seem to figure out how to get a rapidly updating graph in my panel with 12.10
[04:41] <naDah> jmarsden, no it doesn't help, also I'm on 12.04 since 12.10 wouldn't let me connect to the internet
[04:42] <jmarsden> naDah: OK.  Please do file a bug report about the 12.10 issue on Launchpad, and provide full details, so we can look at getting it fixed.
[04:42] <wxl> Kamilion: i don't remember such a thing, unless you mean, like, compiz or something goofy
[04:43] <wxl> …but that's not a panel app
[04:43] <naDah> jmarsden, consider it done
[04:43] <Kamilion> wxl: plain ol' gnome-system-monitor
[04:43] <Kamilion> all i want is my fast update rate back, i don't mind the configurationless lxpanel cpu meter applet, just need to change it's update rate
[04:43] <wxl> isn't that an app, not a panel app, Kamilion ?
[04:44] <Kamilion> http://files.sllabs.com/files/images/maverick-panel.png
[04:44] <Kamilion> i'm pretty sure that's what's called a panel app
[04:45] <wxl> Kamilion: yep; also looks like ubuntu
[04:46] <Kamilion> http://files.sllabs.com/files/images/maverick-panel2.png
[04:46] <Kamilion> yep.
[04:46] <wxl> Kamilion: and you realize you're on the lubuntu channel and ubuntu != lubuntu?
[04:47] <Kamilion> [21:43:50] <Kamilion> all i want is my fast update rate back, i don't mind the configurationless lxpanel cpu meter applet, just need to change it's update rate
[04:47] <Kamilion> is that a change I can make through some kind of dynamic configuration like dconf/gconf, config files in ~, etc, or will I have to apt-src the package and make a code change?
[04:48] <wxl> Kamilion: first off there are resource monitors you can use to get cpu and ram but the refresh rate is the refresh rate afaik
[04:48] <Random832> i've actually got lxpanel source, so I can look
[04:48] <wxl> …unless you want to change code
[04:48] <jmarsden> Kamilion: I suspect increasing the update rate would increase its CPU utilization... and Lubuntu is intended to work on older slower PCs.  So unless there is a cpu panel meter config file somewhere (there might be, I have not looked for it), you'll probably have to edit the code.
[04:48] <Kamilion> Random832: thanks; that'd be totally helpful :D
[04:49] <Random832> It is, in fact, hardcoded to 1500 milliseconds.
[04:49] <Kamilion> also -- what's up with "Resource Monitors" being the CPU and RAM apps linked together?
[04:50] <Random832> no idea
[04:50] <wxl> why? so you can have a ram monitor, too? XD
[04:50] <Kamilion> ah, nevermind... CPU only, CPU + ram, and Network monitor
[04:50] <Random832> I will note that "Resource Monitors" updates every second
[04:50] <Kamilion> is that configurable, Random832, or hardcoded?
[04:50] <Random832> hardcoded
[04:51] <Kamilion> k, got a filename and linenumber for me? :3
[04:51] <Random832> src/plugins/monitors/monitors.c
[04:52] <Random832> and there's actually two places you have to change since it calls a timer function that sets the interval in seconds, you'd need to change the function call to make it use milliseconds, look in src/plugins/cpu/cpu.c
[04:52] <Kamilion> no problem, I'm familar enough with GTK
[04:52] <Random832> I was doing some hacking on lxpanel the other day because the cpufreq frontend app is disabled
[04:52] <Random832> [or, rather, the menu from it is disabled]
[04:53] <Kamilion> also -- anyone else use wajig?
[04:55] <Random832> whats that
[04:55] <Kamilion> interactive apt-get
[04:56] <wxl> another one? bah
[04:56] <Kamilion> it's actually been around
[04:56] <Kamilion> I just realized it's in the maverick repos
[04:56] <NUCLEARWINTER> Kamilion, you could use conky for monitoring such a things
[04:56] <NUCLEARWINTER> but it will really use your CPU for drawing those nice neat graphs
[04:56] <Kamilion> NUCLEARWINTER: doesn't that require that I minimize everything to look at the desktop to see that?
[04:57] <wxl> NUCLEARWINTER: did you see his desktop??? XD
[04:57] <NUCLEARWINTER> Kamilion, or you can change workspace
[04:57] <NUCLEARWINTER> wxl, unfortunately
[04:57] <Kamilion> hm, not a bad idea. I normally disable the workspaces
[04:58] <NUCLEARWINTER> like you have terminal and something in #1 where you can see conky
[04:58]  * Kamilion can't upgrade this machine from maverick until nvidia releases cuda 5.0
[04:58] <NUCLEARWINTER> and you have brwoser in #2 and email client in #3
[04:58] <Kamilion> I don't really use workspaces too often, i admit.
[04:58] <NUCLEARWINTER> your shame
[04:59] <NUCLEARWINTER> I use if I dont have a multiple displays
[05:00] <Kamilion> eh, I've got a single 1080p panel on a quad core
[05:00] <Kamilion> generally I only have chromium, nautilus, vmware, and a couple terminals open.
[05:01] <Kamilion> and kvirc.
[05:01]  * jmarsden usually has IRC/Skype/other real time comms in #1, Terminals in #2, whatever I'm working on (Emacs, app being debugged, whatever) in #3, email in #4, browser in #5, Virtual machine related stuff in #6 :)
[05:02] <Kamilion> also -- this was quite annoying: http://files.sllabs.com/files/images/fix-onlyshowin.png     -- trying to find why the packages I installed didn't show up in my applications menu >.<
[05:02] <Kamilion> i was lucky lxinput was there
[05:02] <NUCLEARWINTER> becouse their Categories are wrong
[05:02] <Kamilion> no -- OnlyShowIn
[05:03] <NUCLEARWINTER> does not matter
[05:03] <Kamilion> category works fine; they show up in Accessories just fine now.
[05:03] <Kamilion> i just appended LXDE; to the proper OnlyShowIn entries
[05:04]  * Kamilion uses rabbitvcs and dropbox
[05:04] <Kamilion> need nautilus --no-desktop for that
[05:05] <Kamilion> and i use too many gedit plugins :3
[05:05] <Kamilion> other than that; have always preferred lubuntu as my base; I even install x2go and lubuntu-core+nautilus+gedit+gnome-terminal on my servers.
[05:07] <Kamilion> so; great job at bringing LXDE to ubuntu and keeping it alive and loved for so long :D
[05:08] <Kamilion> *GASP* Oh, oh, cuda 5 SDK was released on october 15th... I'M FREE OF MAVERICK!
[05:08] <Kamilion> here I come lubuntu quantal :D
[05:08] <Kamilion> ... Wait, what? It still only supports 10.10 and 11.04?!
[05:12] <Kamilion> oh, now i feel dumb. nvidia-cuda-toolkit is in quantal's repo.
[05:14] <Kamilion> meh. Maybe I'll just install KVM on quantal; shove maverick into a guest and assign the guest one of the nvidia cards, since I don't think vmware9 does PCI device passthrough
[05:23] <zruty> Ah, I guessed right...
[05:24] <zruty> Which is the program similar to NetworkManager under Gnome that is used in Lubuntu?
[05:48] <jmarsden> zruty: Is this a trick question?  The program similar to NetworkManager under Gnome that is used in Lubuntu is... NetworkManager
[05:51] <zruty> No, no trick question. I can not find it in the systray
[05:51] <zruty> Maybe I need to rephrase
[05:51] <zruty> In Gnome there is networkmanager
[05:52] <zruty> But that can not be used under LXDE, so what does lubuntu use, since that is LXDE?
[06:03] <zruty> jmarsden: see up
[06:04] <jmarsden> zruty: the package network-manager is installed by default in Lubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 as far as I know.  Run the command   dpkg -l network-manager   to verify this, if you see it listed with ii at the start of the output line, it is installed.
[06:06] <jmarsden> zruty: You could also run the command   nm-tool  to see the current network manager status, if I am correct.
[06:08] <jmarsden> zruty: If we need to look for icons, in my Lubuntu 12.10 installation here there is an icon near the right of the panel which has two arrows in it, one pointing up and one pointing down.  Clicking it reveals a popup menu including an item named Edit.  Clicking that gets me into a dialog about editing network settings... is that what you are looking for?
[06:11] <zruty> Yes, I am looking for that applet, so I can get networking working
[06:12] <JohnDoe_71Rus> run nm-applet ?
[06:12] <jmarsden> For me it is "just there" by default.  if you you can try editing the lxpanel and adding it by hand.
[06:13] <zruty> Add applet?
[06:16] <Ascavasaion> Anyone else here having continual crashes using Ubuntu 12.04.1?  Especially when using filemanagers?
[06:17] <jmarsden> zruty: At a shell prompt, type    nm-applet &    and see if you then it the icon you are looking for?
[06:18] <zruty> jmarsden: That works!
[06:18] <zruty> Thanks!
[06:18] <jmarsden> zruty: You're welcome.  Not sure why the default nm-applte did not start (or died) for you, but at least now you can try to fix the issue :)
[06:18] <zruty> Even the network works now
[06:18] <zruty> Yes!
[06:19] <zruty> Thanks again!
[06:19] <jmarsden> zruty: No problem.
[08:43] <aptosid> is there a way to track changes to lubuntu... what did get an update and such?
[09:21] <Kamilion> Random832: Thanks much. http://files.sllabs.com/files/storage/kamilion/lxpanel-mon/lxpanel-monitor.c.diff
[09:22] <Kamilion> http://files.sllabs.com/files/storage/kamilion/lxpanel-mon/lxpanel_0.5.10%2bgit20120823-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[14:17] <lotus> hey,
[14:22] <aptosid> is there a way to track changes to lubuntu... what did get an update and such?
[14:49] <holstein> aptosid: i usually look before i leap.. i like to scan the list of changes before i run the upgrade
[14:50] <holstein> i find, if there is hardware support breakage, its usually a kernel upgrade that "breaks" it
[14:50] <holstein> aptosid: depending on how you did the upgrade.. i think synaptic keeps a list of what happened
[15:04] <pmatulis> aptosid: /var/log/apt
[16:11] <aptosid> holstein pmatulis i mean where i can see on a website what did change... so before i do the update... but thx for the info
[16:20] <pmatulis> aptosid: you would need to look at the changelogs of each package
[16:22] <pmatulis> (apt-get changelog <package>) should help
[16:22] <aptosid> yes and i would like to know if ubuntu or lubuntu offers such... i did look around but didnt find such... can also be that i didnt look good enough... to get hard facts is a always a problem and difficult to find on the website
[16:23] <aptosid> i did look into know issues before upgrade... even such is difficult to find...
[16:24] <holstein> well, to get hard facts about your particular hardware case is near impossible
[16:28] <aptosid> right... thats the reason i asked if there is a website where i can look before for myself... so i can see ahhh changes or not and then decide what i do
[16:30] <holstein> i typically que up the upgrade, glance through the list, and do some research if necessary.. sometimes i have read "nothing will break" and it did... and i have read "things will be bad" and they werent.. i typically just read, and go for it and know how to fix or revert
[16:32] <aptosid> yes is a way
[16:34] <aptosid> my mistake is that i didnt try the live cd before the upgrade... burning was ok but it dosnt boot and for unknown reasons f6 for nomodeset dosnt work
[16:55] <leszek> hi
[19:04] <pmatulis> hi
[19:52] <yngve> I folks! I did a fresh 12.10 install and have no sound in build-in speakers. I have sound on headphones. It worked in 12.04
[19:53] <wxl> yngve: let's start with the obvious. have you checked alsamixer and made sure nothing's muted?
[19:53] <yngve>  I have checked alsamixer and everything seems to be working (I can see the volum indicater jumping up and down while playing music). Nothing is muted, sound in headphones but no sound on the speakers. It works when I use the Lubuntu 12.04 live CD. I am on Macbook air 1.1.
[19:53] <wxl> hm
[19:54] <yngve> I have gone through http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto...lem-on-ubuntu/
[19:54] <yngve> And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:54] <yngve> that*s http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/
[19:54] <wxl> yngve: i don't have an answer for you right now but i have a theory that it may be due to the hardware you have. i have noticed a bunch of the ppc folks are having problems with sound.
[19:54] <wxl> you use grub, not yaboot, right?
[19:55] <yngve> ppc?
[19:55] <wxl> ppc = old apple
[19:55] <yngve> I use grub yes
[19:55] <yngve> Ah
[19:55] <yngve> yes itś old, 2008
[19:55] <wxl> so could you give me the results of "lspci | grep -i audio"
[19:55] <yngve> So I am not alone. That is good
[19:55] <wxl> yeah but it's still an intel chip, nto a ppc
[19:55] <wxl> might have the same audio card tho
[19:59] <yngve> It is Intel realtek I think
[20:00] <wxl> i need the exact line please
[20:03] <yngve> mm, how did I get that?
[20:03] <wxl> ytou can copy and paste
[20:04] <wxl> ah you're on xchat
[20:04] <wxl> i swear xchat has an /exec command but can't be sure
[20:04] <wxl> it does
[20:04] <wxl> do this:
[20:05] <wxl>  /exec -o lspci | grep -i audio
[20:05] <wxl> without the space before the slash of course
[20:06] <yngve> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[20:06] <wxl> thanks
[20:07] <aptosid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2074867
[20:07] <wxl> aptosid: random?
[20:08] <aptosid> no... the reason is that he is looking after another distro because he cant get it working
[20:09] <aptosid> so i thought maybe someone from here can give him an answer... before he leaves ubuntu
[20:10] <wxl> if it doesn't work, it doesn't work i guess. makes me wonder if it will work elsewhere. if it will, he can provide which version it took and we can make a bug report so he can come back to ubuntu. beyond that, if he does find a driver that works, there are ways to get it into ubuntu, even unofficially
[20:12] <aptosid> ut is still the question... it did work before... so what changes were done that it dosnt work anymore
[20:12] <aptosid> but
[20:12] <wxl> good question
[20:12] <wxl> i'd ask the guy who apparently knows that
[20:12] <wxl> i.e. 2nd to last reply
[20:16] <aptosid> what i found out that there are newer drivers at x.org... the pulls were from august... the latest changes in september... and some look important like fix build with...
[20:17] <wxl> so someone with the hardware should test them
[20:17] <wxl> as obviously those without can't XD
[20:19] <aptosid> :D
[20:19] <wxl> i hope you realize i'm not trying to be unhelpful, but i don't know what other help i can offer.
[20:20] <aptosid> np
[20:25] <yngve> seems like ppa:mactel-support does not for lubuntu 12.10
[20:26] <yngve> Maybe it was a bad idea upgrade when I have an old mac
[23:59] <chaotix> hi all.....  anyone know how to add the search bar to synaptic package man. ?   i know that i can click on search, but in some distrobutions there is a search bar where the search button is in LXDE, and i find it to be wayyyy more convenient. looked around in settings→preferences but i cant seem to find it :(    ...anyone know where it is??