[06:28] <ojn> Alright, getting ubuntu onto the arm chromebook wasn't hard at all (I went the conservative way and installed it on an SD card though). It's a bit janky though, so I'm looking forward to what those who have patient to fix up those kind of things will do to it. :-)
[06:31] <SoulShadow> wow
[06:31] <SoulShadow> you got one already?
[06:31] <SoulShadow> ojn: did you pull the mali drivers from chromeos and use the chromeos kernel?
[06:32] <ojn> SoulShadow, I work on Chrome OS, I've had these devices for quite a while by now. :-)
[06:32] <ojn> SoulShadow, Sticking to Xfb for now.
[06:32] <SoulShadow> you do?
[06:32] <ojn> https://plus.google.com/109993695638569781190/posts/b2fazijJppZ for what I did, it wasn't hard.
[06:33] <SoulShadow> OH THATS YOU?
[06:33] <SoulShadow> Hi, I'm Nick.
[06:33] <ojn> Ah, hey.
[06:34] <SoulShadow> I really am impressed and floored with how open your team is
[06:35] <ojn> It comes and goes a bit, but since most of the work we do is in the open in the first place, taking the final step and actually talking a bit about it in public isn't a huge one. It tends to come and go with workload and how much time we have to deal with it though. :)
[06:35] <SoulShadow> Yeah, I'm sure your workload has lightened significantly with the launch?
[06:35] <ojn> It's a few days of quiet before we start getting bug reports from people receiving devices. :-)
[06:36] <SoulShadow> haha
[06:36] <ojn> Alright, I have to go get sleep. Later.
[06:36] <SoulShadow> hope to have a chance to speak with you later, i am glad I found you
[06:51] <lilstevie> ojn, to be honest it is a shame that the arm chromebook isn't available in more countries
[06:51] <SoulShadow> lilstevie: is it only available in NA and EU?
[06:51] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, seems that way
[06:52] <lilstevie> I was looking on amazon and they don't ship outside of the US for the chromebook
[06:52] <SoulShadow> amazon never ships out of the US
[06:52] <SoulShadow> unless you mean you can't find it on amazon uk
[06:52] <lilstevie> and I haven't seen any of the listed resellers that will ship to here
[06:52] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, amazon ship to AU for a lot of items
[06:52] <SoulShadow> hm
[06:52] <SoulShadow> it's not on amazon uk
[06:52] <lilstevie> cause we don't have our own amazon
[06:53] <suihkulokki> books etc are easy to ship abroad, consumer electronics is trickier
[06:53] <SoulShadow> i'm sure you could still acquire it, lilstevie
[06:53] <lilstevie> suihkulokki, they are who we are meant to get our kindles from :p
[06:53] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, yeah, but it will involve using people in NA/EU to order it then ship
[06:54] <lilstevie> I am not fond of that idea
[06:54] <SoulShadow> ebay?
[06:55] <lilstevie> it is probably a good thing that it is out of reach anyway tbh, I have my hands full with the transformer stuff
[06:55] <SoulShadow> lol
[06:55] <SoulShadow> i'm always afraid of buying asus stuff anymore
[06:55] <SoulShadow> their repair centers in the US are atrocious
[06:55] <lilstevie> they aren't bad here
[06:56] <SoulShadow> tons of horror stories about the US ones
[06:56] <lilstevie> yeah
[06:56] <SoulShadow> which is sad, because their ultrabooks are fantastic
[06:56] <lilstevie> I've seen
[06:56] <SoulShadow> just not worth the hassle
[06:56] <lilstevie> tbh asus has been hit pretty bad with the transformer series, users picking apart every little issue
[06:57] <lilstevie> you know things like "they should recall this garbage" etc.
[06:57] <SoulShadow> well, some of the issues are warranted
[06:57] <SoulShadow> like the wifi/gps issue
[06:57] <lilstevie> wifi isn't as bad as people make out
[06:57] <lilstevie> I have one of the ones where the wifi is "bad"
[06:57] <lilstevie> and it is the same as my HP AIO
[06:58]  * SoulShadow shrugs
[06:58] <SoulShadow> until asus starts using synaptics or someone better for their trackpads
[06:58] <lilstevie> sure most of my devices get better signal, but others get far worse, and nobody complains about them
[06:58] <SoulShadow> i'll probably still pass
[06:58] <lilstevie> well the trackpad is elantech
[06:58] <lilstevie> same trackpad as the ones in their netbooks
[06:58] <SoulShadow> elantech drivers are lulz
[06:58] <lilstevie> tell me about it
[06:59] <SoulShadow> my dream notebook at this point
[06:59] <SoulShadow> 13.3" 10w ULT haswell, tablet+docking keyboard
[06:59] <SoulShadow> that provides more power somehow
[06:59] <SoulShadow> like, discrete graphics
[07:00] <lilstevie> what is fun is the fact that the trackpad is identical to the netbook one, except it is i2c, and the normal driver for it doesn't work because of it being i2c
[07:00] <SoulShadow> lol
[07:00] <lilstevie> so under ubuntu you are stuck with using mtrack
[07:00] <lilstevie> and losing the ability to 2finger scroll, or 2finger click
[07:00] <SoulShadow> lol
[07:01] <lilstevie> I tried bringing the full interface from the x86 driver across and that just failed abysmally cause it is tied into ps/2
[07:01] <SoulShadow> i wonder if they can passively cool a 10w cpu
[07:01] <SoulShadow> in a 13.3" chassis
[07:02] <lilstevie> they should
[07:02] <lilstevie> I hate fans
[07:02] <lilstevie> which is why I love my arm computers
[07:02] <SoulShadow> but seriously, is that not a great idea for a tablet/ultrabook hybrid?
[07:03] <lilstevie> it is
[07:03] <SoulShadow> 13.3" 10w haswell, 2560x1600 display, with a thunderbolt-type keyboard dock that has a battery and dGPU
[07:03] <SoulShadow> that's perfect
[07:03] <SoulShadow> someone just has to MAKE IT
[07:03] <SoulShadow> and TAKE MY MONEY
[07:03] <lilstevie> heh
[07:03] <SoulShadow> i'd pay 1.5k for that
[07:04] <SoulShadow> assuming 256GB SSD
[07:04] <SoulShadow> ofc
[07:07] <lilstevie> I am at least 1 generation behind with all my intel stuff as it is though so meh :p
[07:07] <SoulShadow> i'm upgrading to a haswell desktop and laptop
[07:07] <SoulShadow> lol
[07:08] <SoulShadow> right now there's just a debate for me between the new chromebook
[07:08] <SoulShadow> and the new nexus 7 32GB
[07:08] <SoulShadow> and possibly the new nexus 10
[07:08] <SoulShadow> depending on price
[07:09] <lilstevie> I have one machine with westmere and one with sandy bridge so I probably will not be upgrading until the end of haswell or start of broadwell
[07:09] <SoulShadow> i have a machine with bloomfield/nehalem
[07:09] <lilstevie> ah so you are due for an upgrade anyway
[07:09] <SoulShadow> yup
[07:10] <SoulShadow> and my other machine is a core 2 mobile laptop
[07:10] <SoulShadow> the chromebook would be nice for note-taking
[07:10] <lilstevie> yeah, the laptop is core2 but thats the gfs, and she doesn't care
[07:10] <SoulShadow> i have 6 hours of classes on tuesdays
[07:10] <lilstevie> I personally use my tf201 as a netbook for uni and stuff so eh
[07:11] <SoulShadow> and i feel like the 6.5 hours of the chromebook
[07:11] <SoulShadow> is being extremely conservative
[07:11] <SoulShadow> MBA11" gets that long, with a more power hungry soc
[07:11] <lilstevie> what size battery does it have
[07:11] <SoulShadow> s/soc/chip
[07:11] <SoulShadow> 30whr, 2 cell
[07:12] <lilstevie> ah
[07:12] <lilstevie> my tf201 has a 25whr battery in the tablet and a 22whr one in the dock, no idea how many cell though
[07:13] <SoulShadow> shouldn't matter
[07:13] <lilstevie> but that is with the tegra3, which should be a little more power hungry than the exynos5
[07:13] <SoulShadow> i really dislike tegra 3
[07:13] <SoulShadow> i played with a winrt tab today
[07:13] <SoulShadow> was so goddamn laggy with that tegra 3 chip inside
[07:13] <lilstevie> I like the tegra3 more than the tegra2 though
[07:13] <lilstevie> which rt tab
[07:13] <SoulShadow> asus vivo
[07:13] <lilstevie> there you go
[07:14] <lilstevie> problem is probably not the tegra3 at all
[07:14] <lilstevie> asus have a horrible habbit of crippling their tablets io wise
[07:14] <lilstevie> they use horrible mmcs with really bad latency
[07:14] <lilstevie> and the ram isn't much better
[07:14] <SoulShadow> could be
[07:15] <SoulShadow> the experience wasn't very cohesive
[07:15] <SoulShadow> to get into word you go to desktop
[07:15] <SoulShadow> which is dumb
[07:15] <lilstevie> the nexus 7 has a lot less io issues than the rest of asus' tablets, and I hear that thing is a much nicer experience
[07:15] <SoulShadow> because google
[07:15] <SoulShadow> lol
[07:15] <lilstevie> yep
[07:16] <lilstevie> my tf201 has the same, if not a little worse read/write than a class10 sd card
[07:16] <lilstevie> *when doing 8MB writes
[07:17] <lilstevie> do less, and it drops closer to a class2
[07:17] <SoulShadow> nice
[07:18] <lilstevie> I hope that is sarcastic :p
[07:19] <lilstevie> that said though, mainline kernel has quirks for this card, due to some bug with blocksize
[07:19] <lilstevie> speed quirk that is
[07:32] <SoulShadow> personally i feel like ARM will never really compete with intel
[07:58] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, I feel it will
[07:58] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions :)
[07:58] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, over the past 10 years arm has made leaps and bounds improvements
[07:59] <lilstevie> if you told me in 2001 that microsoft would release an arm version of windows I would have slapped you silly for talking such nonsense
[07:59] <lilstevie> :p
[07:59] <SoulShadow> lilstevie: over the past 10 years intel has made leaps and bounds improvements :P
[08:00] <SoulShadow> for every large 'step' that arm has made intel has answered pretty well
[08:01] <SoulShadow> I think what's more amazing is that Intel is entering the mobile marketspace from a top-down approach
[08:01] <SoulShadow> that they're actually finally being able to get that low in tdp
[08:02] <SoulShadow> what can you equate a tegra 3 to
[08:02] <SoulShadow> in terms of processing power
[08:02] <SoulShadow> x86-wise
[08:03] <lilstevie> SoulShadow, I never said arm would replace intel, both have there place
[08:04] <lilstevie> intel own the performance sector, and I don't think and RISC system will have a chance on catching them
[08:06] <SoulShadow> uh
[08:06] <SoulShadow> intel chips are RISC.
[08:07] <SoulShadow> they just hide it, and use the CISC overlay because it's always been that way and when they changed it with p4 there was no reason to try to force everything to RISC
[08:15] <SoulShadow> bed.
[19:49] <scientes> How do I use android libflashplayer.so on u UN
[19:49] <scientes> Uninhibited
[19:49] <scientes> Ubuntu Firefox
[23:34] <litenite> Hello all
[23:36] <litenite> Anybody have ideas on how to install 12.10 server on panda ES?
[23:36] <litenite> I'm having trouble booting it through serial console seeing as there is no preinstalled image