[03:59] <bizhanMona> HI all, I have a question on xwindow latency on Ubuntu, if it has any relevance to the choice of the window manager, and how I can measure that, could you point me to some references please?thx
[05:07] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <dArKd3ViL>  what is the command/script to switch applications in reverse order? I am not asking for keyboard shortcut like alt+tab or alt+shift+tab.. but the command
[06:56] <dArKd3ViL> i want to add a custom shortcut as there is no listing of "switch applications in reverse order" under keyboard shortcuts
[07:14] <desrt> larsu: good morning
[07:14] <larsu> desrt, good evening ;)
[07:14] <desrt> you arrive wednesday?
[07:15] <larsu> desrt, oh, you're in Copenhagen already?! So good morning too you too
[07:15] <desrt> :)
[07:15] <larsu> desrt, I arrive Tuesday evening
[07:15] <desrt> cool
[07:20] <kenvandine> hey larsu!
[07:20] <larsu> kenvandine, good morning! Are you in copenhagen already as well?
[07:20] <kenvandine> yup
[07:25] <AlanBell> morning larsu, got a few minutes to help with the new messagingmenu api?
[07:26] <AlanBell> I am trying to fix gm-notify as that is using the old and busted indicator stuff and not the new hotness messagingmenu
[07:26]  * desrt pays attention
[07:26] <larsu> AlanBell, sure
[07:26] <pitti> hey larsu
[07:26] <pitti> hey desrt
[07:27] <desrt> pitti: hey
[07:27] <larsu> morning pitti
[07:27] <desrt> pitti: getting here wednesday?
[07:27] <pitti> desrt: no, next Sunday
[07:27] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1295825/ is I think something that should put something in the messaging menu
[07:27]  * larsu has the feeling desrt is lonely :)
[07:27] <AlanBell> but I can't get anything to turn up
[07:27] <desrt> didrocks, kenvandine, jasoncwarner_ beside me :)
[07:27] <kenvandine> :-D
[07:27] <desrt> sabdfl on the other side :)
[07:28] <larsu> AlanBell, you need to start a main loop, libmessaging-menu does all d-bus calls async. `GLib.MainLoop().run()`
[07:28] <AlanBell> ooh ok
[07:30] <larsu> desrt, sounds like excellent company :=)
[07:30] <AlanBell> yay, I have stuffs in the messaging menu \o/
[07:31] <desrt> :)
[07:31] <kenvandine> AlanBell, woot
[07:31] <larsu> yay!
[07:31] <AlanBell> right, now I have the hello world level thing sorted I can probably fix gm-notify
[07:31] <AlanBell> btw, when we "deprecate" an api that shouldn't normally mean "break totally"
[07:32] <larsu> yeah that's a bit unfortunate, but there was no practical way of supporting both in the same code base
[07:32] <larsu> and since there are not *that* many apps using it...
[07:33] <AlanBell> all the gmail notifiers and pidgin
[07:33] <larsu> and thunderbird, empathy, gwibber
[07:33] <larsu> liferea
[07:33] <AlanBell> yeah, but most of those got fixed
[07:42] <gema> didrocks: are you aware of unity forgetting the locked apps to the launcher on update?
[07:42] <gema> upgrade, rather
[07:44] <didrocks> gema: not really, do you have a precise reproducer?
[07:44] <kenvandine> hey davidcalle
[07:44] <davidcalle> hey kenvandine
[07:44] <gema> didrocks: what is a precise reproducer?
[07:44] <gema> didrocks: I upgraded one of my machines on saturday and this happened
[07:45] <didrocks> gema: only on one machine? can you please ping popey's team on #ubuntu-unity?
[07:46] <didrocks> sil2100: can you take care of that? ^
[07:46] <didrocks> hey sil2100 ;)
[07:51] <popey> gema, can you file a bug?
[07:51] <popey> (please)
[07:51] <gema> popey: yes, I am verifying it on another machine and the bug will be on its way
[07:52] <popey> thanks, ping me the bug number please gema
[07:53] <sil2100> Looking
[07:55] <sil2100> gema: if you can reproduce it, please poke me with the bug number and I'll see what I can do
[07:55] <gema> sil2100: will do , thanks
[07:56] <gema> sil2100: I upgraded my big machine with apt, I am going to try with update-manager now, just in case
[07:58] <Mirv> hmm, I've that one precise virtual machine I could try
[08:04] <Laney> hey
[08:06] <Laney> who's seen the copenhagen shower situation? ;-)
[08:08] <desrt> Laney: all....
[08:08] <pstolowski> Laney: don't know about Copenhagen, but there was extreme fog for last 48h in Poland and most flights cancelled so far :(
[08:10] <gema> sil2100: another annoying regression I have observed is with the sound indicator, when you slide the volume up it works, but if you just click somewhere to move the volume with one click it doesn't
[08:10] <gema> sil2100: is this intended behaviour or a regression?
[08:14] <larsu> gema, that should work (and has been working for me all through the q cycle)
[08:14] <gema> larsu: it doesn't work for me
[08:14] <larsu> gema, are you sure it doesn't work? The click target is slightly thinner with the new theme, so it's a bit hard to hit
[08:14] <gema> larsu: 100% sure
[08:14] <larsu> :(
[08:15] <gema> larsu: I am going to check as soon as I have the other machine upgraded
[08:15] <gema> with different HW and everything
[08:15] <Laney> I have to click wht looks like slightly above the slider
[08:15] <sil2100> gema: I can confirm this one, it doesn't work for me too
[08:15] <sil2100> Ah
[08:15] <sil2100> Laney: right
[08:15] <larsu> gema, thanks. Please also check if it works for other sliders (in System Settings, for example)
[08:15] <sil2100> gema: Laney is right, it works but you beed to click slightly above the slider
[08:16] <gema> sil2100: I have clicked everywhere and it doesn't seem to work
[08:16] <sil2100> So anyway, this is unintended behavior nevertheless..
[08:16] <sil2100> gema: could you check if  a bug report is present and if not, submit a new one?
[08:16] <gema> sil2100: will do
[08:16] <gema> sil2100:  which component, indicator?
[08:17] <larsu> gema, indicator-sound
[08:17] <gema> larsu: thanks
[08:21] <gema> oh, the network indicator seems to also not show my VPN information
[08:21] <popey> gema, how did you upgrade? you said "via apt", did you just fudge your sources.list?
[08:22] <gema> popey: yes, I s/precise/quantal/g and dist-upgraded
[08:22] <popey> erk. why not use update-manager or do-release-upgrade?
[08:23] <gema> popey: because this is a machine I care a lot for, and every time I use update manager to change releases something really bad happens and I need to reinstall
[08:23] <gema> popey: I am using update-manager on the laptop
[08:23] <popey> gema, does "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" offer to pull in more packages? i.e. is something missing?
[08:23] <popey> (note the caret on the end)
[08:24] <gema> popey: trying
[08:24] <gema> popey: it does, shall I go ahead with it?
[08:25] <popey> i would, you don't have a clean desktop install if you are missing packages IMO
[08:25] <popey> (this probably wouldn't have happened if you had used update manager or do-release-upgrade ;)
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> ah, crap, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803961
[08:25] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 803961 in Extension Compatibility "crash in unity_webapps_available_application_get_application_domain with Webapps-team on Ubuntu" [Critical,New]
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> guys, you need to fix your addon :)
[08:26] <gema> popey: I will confirm in no time with the laptop
[08:26] <gema> popey: meanwhile I will try to fix my desktop :D
[08:33] <sil2100> ;)
[08:33] <sil2100> gema: thanks
[08:33] <gema> sil2100: thank you :D
[09:44] <Mirv> gema, popey, sil2100: I just upgrade a virtual machine 12.04 to 12.10, and my custom locked apps (thunderbird, terminal) stayed alright in the launcher
[09:44] <Mirv> +d
[09:45] <gema> Mirv: that's good news, I am still upgrading the second machine
[09:45] <gema> with update-manager
[10:07] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin! I have a couple of pending i18n related bug fixes:
[10:07] <GunnarHj> bug #632011 - see comment #5
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632011 in language-pack-gnome-ko-base (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector won't install language support" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632011
[10:07] <GunnarHj> bug #875435 - MP + 2 branches for SRU
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 875435 in OEM Priority Project precise "iBus indicator does not show on the panel" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875435
[10:07] <GunnarHj> Do you have time to review and sponsor them?
[10:11] <pitti> GunnarHj: hey!
[10:11] <pitti> GunnarHj: not right now, sorry; can you please put them into the sponsoring queue for now?
[10:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: Sure if you tell me how you do that...
[10:12] <pitti> just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to bugs
[10:12] <pitti> MPs are automatically put there
[10:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, thanks!
[10:42] <mitya57> jbicha: I've uploaded a fix for segfault-when-handling-desktop to ppa:mitya57/nautilus
[10:42] <seb128> mitya57, 3.4 or 3.6 issue?
[10:43] <mitya57> (it's basically a drop of 21_correct_timestamp_use_fix_focus_issue.patch)
[10:43] <mitya57> seb128: 3.6
[10:43] <pitti> hey seb128, ça va?
[10:43] <seb128> great
[10:43] <seb128> pitti, salut, et toi ?
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien! comment est Copenhagen?
[10:43] <seb128> pitti, j'allais te pinger, j'ai réassigné https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/1068774 à udisks2, mais je suis pas sûr ... tu préfères être souscrit au bug ou que je réassign?
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068774 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "Does not detect hotplugged storage device" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, je te dirai quand j'y serai ;-) J'y vais demain, je fais parti de ceux qui font mercredi à vendredi seulement
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: oui, je vais le regarder
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, merci
[10:44] <mitya57> bon jour pitti, seb128 btw
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: Je lis tous les bugs udisks2
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, ok
[10:47] <seb128> mitya57, hey ;-)
[10:47] <pitti> hey mitya57, how are you?
[10:48] <mitya57> fine, merci
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: (et corriges moi svp s'il mon français est mauvais :) )
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, ok, pas de problème, il est très bon là ;-) (svp -> stp, s'il ->si ... sinon le reste est correct ;-)
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: "corriges", I think
[10:50] <pitti> err, "corrigez"
[10:50] <pitti> or is "corriges" right for the "tu" form?
[10:51] <pitti> seb128: ah, merci
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, "corrige moi" (tu) or "corrigez moi" (vous)
[10:51] <seb128> svp (vous), stp (tu)
[10:51] <pitti> oui, j'ai comprendre svp vs. stp
[10:51] <seb128> "je comprends" ou "j'ai compris" ;-)
[10:52] <pitti> mais je ne suis pas encore le impératif
[10:52] <pitti> err, "sais"
[10:52] <seb128> ca viendra ;-)
[10:53] <seb128> pitti, c'est l'heure de manger ici !
[10:53] <seb128> bbiab
[10:53] <pitti> seb128: bon appetit!
[10:53] <seb128> merci ;-)
[10:53] <seb128> à toi aussi !
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[10:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[10:59] <seb128> good thanks, and on my way to lunch ;-)
[10:59] <seb128> bbiab
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:16] <gema> sil2100: finished the update on the other machine, everything went smooth and my launcher is still there with my config
[11:17] <gema> sil2100: the sound slider, as you said, you have to click a bit above it, but it works
[11:17] <gema> sil2100: so no need for further bugs today :D thanks for your help
[11:26] <sil2100> gema: thanks for testing! But the slider thing is still a bug though
[11:26] <gema> sil2100: yes, do you want me to raise it_
[11:26] <gema> ?
[11:27] <sil2100> gema: not sure if there's an existing bug for that - if not, would be cool if you could create one :)
[11:27] <sil2100> At least we'll have it on our radar
[11:28] <gema> sil2100: I couldn't find one, I will search again and raise it if not
[11:33] <mitya57> ricotz: maybe you can copy the nautilus bugfix (^) to the gnome3 ppa?
[11:34] <ricotz> micahg, a version where the search-provider doesnt crash?
[11:34] <ricotz> micahg, oops
[11:34] <ricotz> mitya57, ^
[11:35] <mitya57> ricotz: no, gnome bug 686585
[11:35] <gema> sil2100: bug 1069762
[11:35] <ubot2> Gnome bug 686585 in general "Nautilus crashes with SIGSEV in nautilus_application_add_platform_data function" [Critical,Resolved: notgnome] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686585
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1069762 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Slider click only works slightly above the slider itself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069762
[11:37] <mitya57> ricotz: it's caused by our patch, and that patch is no longer needed
[11:37] <mitya57> (the issue it was trying to fix is already fixed another way, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674816#c7)
[11:37] <ubot2> Gnome bug 674816 in general "Nautilus windows does not take the focus." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[11:37] <sil2100> gema: thanks!
[11:37] <ricotz> mitya57, i see, you could have remove the actual file too, but it is fine
[11:37] <mitya57> ricotz: I thought I removed it...
[11:38] <ricotz> mitya57, you didnt ;)
[11:38] <mitya57> ricotz: I see now, but let's remove it next time :)
[11:40] <ricotz> mitya57, done, thanks!
[11:40] <mitya57> ricotz: thank _you_ :)
[11:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you should stop reading bug comments from angry users during the w.e :p
[11:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I noticed your "that's fixed in proposed already" on the messaging menu bug :p
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> heh, i need to stop reading bug comments in general :)
[11:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just stop reading emails :p
[11:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I made efforts to not reply to Bastien's trolling yesterday evening, I should stop reading emails during W.E ;-)
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, turning off email over the weekend is a good idea :)
[11:52] <ASA> hi@all
[11:53] <ASA> is this the right channel to ask about problems with GNOME 3 PPA'S ?
[11:54] <ASA> i have problems with nautilus 3.6 for ubuntu 12.10 since last update
[11:55] <ASA> it doesn't start anymore :(
[11:58] <seb128> ASA: that issue is being fixed, try updating again in a bit
[12:01] <ASA> wow seb128, thanks a lot.it works again :)
[12:02] <ASA> nice work  :)
[12:25] <hyperair> seb128: ping
[12:25] <hyperair> seb128: what's the status of pidgin's libmessaging-menu support?
[12:25] <hyperair> seb128: i noticed you assigned and unassigned yourself in that messaging menu bug.
[12:26] <seb128> hyperair, somebody posted a first draft patch this W.E
[12:26] <hyperair> W.E?
[12:26] <seb128> hyperair, I did, I wanted to work on it but got crazy busy with other work
[12:26] <seb128> hyperair, week end
[12:26] <hyperair> ah
[12:27] <hyperair> seb128: i don't see the patch though. where is it?
[12:27] <hyperair> oh hang on i see it
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> sigh @ https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/211939 :(
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> why would window methods throw permission errors with the webapps addon enabled? :/
[12:56] <cyphermox> morning!
[13:22] <mlankhorst> morning
[13:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Bon jour, Sebastien!
[13:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, how are you ?
[13:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm fine; hope you are as well.
[13:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Could you please take a look at bug #632011. There is no MP or patch; I think it's merely about removing a couple of branches from -proposed. See comment #5.
[13:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632011 in language-pack-gnome-ko-base (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector won't install language support" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632011
[13:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, hum, I'm not sure to understand the issue there
[13:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, installing language-pack-gnome-ko works on 12.10 here
[13:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, but not in 11.10 or 12.04 if you have proposed enabled.
[13:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, do you know why?
[13:35] <seb128> seems like a problem with the langpack generation, upload...
[13:35] <seb128> dpm, pitti: ^ is that a known issue?
[13:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, the base package depends on the other package with the same version number.
[13:36] <pitti> GunnarHj, seb128: yes, I've got a mail about this; apparently the -base packages in -proposed are newer than the update packages, for some weird reason
[13:36] <pitti> apparently something failed during copying the packages
[13:37] <seb128> hum, I wonder how that can happen
[13:37] <seb128> I see
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, is that something on your list of things to look at then? or dpm's?
[13:37] <pitti> dpm: how far are we from the next regular update cycle?
[13:38] <pitti> it seems much easier to just update the whole thing
[13:38] <seb128> dpm, pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-gnome-ko-base/+bug/632011 for tracking the issue
[13:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632011 in language-pack-gnome-ko-base (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector won't install language support" [High,In progress]
[13:38] <dpm> seb128, my packaging-fu is not up to solving that one
[13:38] <pitti> it would be quite some work to restore the matching update packages for those -bases
[13:38] <jbicha> dpm: you didn't publish a langpack schedule for quantal yet, right?
[13:38] <pitti> dpm: it's not really a packaging problem
[13:38] <dpm> pitti, jbicha, we haven't got a calendar yet, but we can publish an update after UDS
[13:39] <pitti> dpm: someone copied the -base packs from the PPA, but not the -update ones (or direct upload from macquarie)
[13:39] <pitti> dpm: that's for precise, BTW
[13:39] <dpm> ok, /me *really* reads the bug now
[13:39] <dpm> sorry
[13:40] <dpm> in that case, we don't have a Precise langpack update on the calendar until December: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/PreciseLanguagePackReleaseSchedule
[13:42] <GunnarHj> From debian/control in -base: Depends: ${misc:Depends}, locales (>= 2.3.6), language-pack-gnome-ko (>= ${binary:Version})
[13:42] <GunnarHj> I think that's the reason it fails.
[13:43] <seb128> GunnarHj, the issue is what pitti said "someone copied the -base packs from the PPA, but not the -update ones"
[13:44] <GunnarHj> seb128: Not sure I understand that; if that version had been also in -update, then everyone would have had a problem.
[13:46] <GunnarHj> Since there is no language-pack-gnome-ko package with the same version number.
[13:46] <pitti> yes, that is the very probleM :)
[13:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, the issue is that there should be a language-pack-gnome-ko and it got lost somewhere in the copy
[13:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, language-pack-gnome-ko from the same version should be restored
[13:47] <GunnarHj> Ok, then we are agreed.
[13:48] <GunnarHj> Think I have highlighted the issue now. It seems to be in good hands. ;-)
[13:48] <seb128> dpm, pitti, GunnarHj: what about just dropping https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-ko-base/1:12.04+20120801 from proposed?
[13:48] <seb128> e.g skip this round
[13:48] <pitti> seb128: it affects all languages alike
[13:48] <pitti> yes, that's certainly an option
[13:48] <seb128> oh, crap
[13:48] <pitti> we should just wait for the next round then
[13:49] <seb128> well, either drop them or or due an unscheduled update round
[13:49] <pitti> dropping them sounds fine
[13:49] <pitti> they are uninstallable anyway
[13:49] <pitti> i. e. drop all language-pack-* from precise-proposed
[13:49] <seb128> do you have the list/do you know the magic to run?
[13:49] <seb128> or should I ping the SRU guys?
[13:50] <pitti> grep '^Package: language-pack' /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-proposed_main_binary-i386_Packages | cut -f2 -d' ' > /tmp/packages
[13:51] <pitti> $ remove-package -m 'incomplete copy, uninstallable' -s precise-proposed $(< /tmp/packages)
[13:51] <pitti> looks plausible?
[13:51] <pitti> the output does, anyway
[13:51]  * pitti running this
[13:52] <seb128> nothing looking wrong offhand to me
[13:52] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:52] <seb128> it's only proposed anyway
[13:52] <pitti> dpm, GunnarHj ^ this should fix the bug, feel free to close
[13:52] <seb128> so there is no potential for high damage there
[13:52] <seb128> pitti, thanks a lot!
[13:52] <pitti> right, and it's "just" uninstallable, so doesn't wreck existing systems
[13:53] <GunnarHj> The same issue exists in Natty and Oneiric, I think.
[13:53] <didrocks> desrt: #ubuntu-unity
[13:53] <desrt> didrocks is having a bad day
[13:54] <GunnarHj> pitti, seb128, dpm: I'll close that task in the bug.
[13:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks
[13:57] <dpm> thanks GunnarHj, pitti and seb128
[13:58] <GunnarHj> pitti, seb128, dpm: Just to be sure: Did you notice my remark that Natty and Oneiric probably suffers from the same issue?
[13:58] <seb128> desrt, we just call that "monday" around, seems like mondays always manage to remind Didier that a long work week is coming
[13:58] <desrt> today is a good day
[13:58] <pitti> GunnarHj: not in general
[13:58] <desrt> he just got his bag
[13:59] <desrt> after some combination of airfrance and CDG lost it...
[13:59] <pitti> GunnarHj: e. g. language-pack-gnome-ko vs. -base seems ok
[13:59] <seb128> desrt, they managed to loose that?
[13:59] <desrt> it arrived a hour or two ago :)
[13:59] <seb128> good
[13:59] <dpm> seb128, regarding the Shotwell translations: it seems awfully complex what they do to generate their .pot file. Do you think this could be automated in the packaging? Ideally this should be done upstream, but I do not have high hopes they'll get to it.
[14:00] <seb128> dpm, knowing yorba they will get to it for their next version for pretty sure
[14:00] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok how? There are also -base packages with different version numbers.
[14:00] <seb128> dpm, I will generate the template manually with the steps they described for that one quantal upload
[14:00] <seb128> dpm, if they don't get to it during the R cycle I will have another look around beta time
[14:01] <pitti> GunnarHj: as I said, not for -ko; but there may be other languages, I didn't check all of them yet
[14:01]  * pitti is working on something else ATM
[14:01] <dpm> seb128, my concern was that they said they'd get to it back in 2009 too, but you know them better than me, and if you think they'll take care of it, I'll take your word for it :)
[14:01] <dpm> thanks seb128
[14:02] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok.
[14:03] <seb128> dpm, well, I think we managed to convince them that they need to solve that issue ;-)
[14:03] <dpm> yeah :)
[14:07] <GunnarHj> pitti: Checked it out, and now I understand better. My mistake about Natty and Oneiric. Sorry.
[14:07] <pitti> GunnarHj: ah, all ok with them? good *phew*
[14:07] <pitti> GunnarHj: thanks for checking
[14:21] <hyperair> seb128: oh god why does libindicate.patch look like that
[14:21]  * hyperair claws his eyes out
[14:21] <hyperair> i can't tell what's for libindicate and what's for notify-osd any more
[14:21] <hyperair> whyyyy?!!
[14:21] <seb128> heh, blame ted!
[14:22] <hyperair> i just spent the last few hours in magit trying to isolate which hunk belongs to which, and there are these bits and pieces which are so intermingled..
[14:22] <hyperair> *groan*
[14:22] <Laney> didn't jason do that in his patch?
[14:23] <Laney> +  * debian/patches/ubuntu_notify_support.patch:
[14:23] <Laney> +    - Split out notify changes from messaging-menu changes (was combined
[14:23] <hyperair> yeah
[14:23] <Laney> +      in indicate.patch)
[14:23] <hyperair> it's unclean
[14:23] <Laney> +    - Merged libnotify-0.7.patch
[14:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: is "blame ted" our very own "blame canada"?
[14:23] <hyperair> i looked at it.
[14:23] <seb128> Sweetshark, something like that ;-)
[14:23] <hyperair> Laney: there's stuff like the visibility manager stuff which shouldn't belong in the notify patch imo
[14:24] <Laney> fair enough
[14:27] <GunnarHj> dpm: Hi David, did you notice that I asked you to review the MP attached to bug #991002? As you can see from the bug comments, my proposal seems to be 'politically' controversial somehow. ;-)
[14:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 991002 in iso-codes (Ubuntu) "Change name for bn-BD from 'Bengali(Bangladesh)' to 'Bangla(Bangladesh)')" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991002
[14:29] <dpm> GunnarHj, I saw the e-mail, but haven't had time to look into it yet, sorry
[14:30] <Laney> GunnarHj: is it worth the fight with bubulle?
[14:31] <GunnarHj> dpm: No hurry; actually I'd like you to consider it carefully when you find the time.
[14:31] <GunnarHj> Laney: I don't know him...
[14:32] <GunnarHj> Laney: But an option might be an Ubuntu patch.
[14:32] <Laney> upstream
[14:32] <Laney> DD very involved in i18n stuff
[14:33] <GunnarHj> Laney: Who is DD?
[14:33] <Laney> bubulle (Christian) who you are conversing with on that bug
[14:34] <GunnarHj> Laney: Aha, yes I have realized that he is dedicated at i18n.
[14:35] <GunnarHj> Laney: We have different positions on the matter, so I hope that dpm will help us solve the 'conflict'. ;-)
[14:35]  * micahg is tempted to mark the bug won't fix in Ubuntu, it really should be fixed in the standard
[14:37] <Laney> that's how it sounds to me to be honest
[14:37] <Laney> then you avoid getting Ubuntu involved in the discussion at all
[14:39] <seb128> Laney, you want to target your bugs to the serie you upload the SRU to and subscribe ubuntu-sru ;-) (just did that for you on some quantal sru uploads)
[14:39] <Laney> true for the former
[14:39] <Laney> not sure the latter is necessary, is it?
[14:39] <pitti> it's not any more
[14:39] <seb128> oh, ok
[14:40]  * Laney looks for the SRU page
[14:40] <micahg> AIUI, uploader was still supposed to subscribe ubuntu-sru
[14:40] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[14:40] <seb128> well I saw it was useful to track verification-needed/done/failed comments
[14:40] <Laney> if it's there it's fine
[14:40] <seb128> saw->though
[14:40] <seb128> e.g for the SRU team to notice comment and flag as appropriate
[14:40] <GunnarHj> micahg, Laney: Of course it would be best to get the standard fixed. But I'm not sure that the next best option is to not do anything. Think Ubuntu ought to show respect to the native Bangla speakers. But let's wait til dpm has considered the issue.
[14:41] <micahg> GunnarHj: it's not a matter of respect, the package is a reflection of the standard
[14:42] <micahg> now, one might propose that using the iso-codes package for the localechooser might be wrong, but that's another discussion :)
[14:42] <GunnarHj> micahg: But what's displayed in language-selector is Ubuntu's responsibility, right?
[14:43] <micahg> GunnarHj: yes, but that doesn't mean that iso-codes should necessarily be changed :)
[14:43] <GunnarHj> micahg: As far as I know there is no other package that provides translations of languages and countries.
[14:44] <GunnarHj> micahg: Of course, I could propose a language-selector hack as regards Bangla. But that would be a last resort...
[14:44] <pitti> still better IMHO than changing a standard without changing it upstream IMHO
[14:44] <micahg> +1
[14:45] <Laney> The answer is "if you want it fixed, get it fixed upstream"
[14:45] <Laney> you've already clearly heard the opinion of the iso-codes maintainer saying this
[14:46] <GunnarHj> Indeed I have. Just haven't agreed in this particular case. ;-)
[14:46] <GunnarHj> But I hear what you guys say.
[14:46] <GunnarHj> Just want to know what dpm thinks before I give up.
[14:54] <micahg> ok, so I have webkit javascript core library spitting out ~4500 private symbols and I'd prefer not to push that symbols file, any ideas how I can reduce that easily?
[14:55]  * micahg notes that the desktop team hasn't had to deal with this since they don't have a symbols file for that library even though d/rules is set up to process one
[14:56] <mterry> robru, poke about that deja-dup branch.  I'd like to make a release of 25.1 this week with that branch in it
[14:59] <seb128> micahg, can you easily tell out what symbols are private or not? there is a ld flag to filter the public symbols list on a regexp you can use...
[15:00] <micahg> seb128: I thought everything prefaced with _ was private?
[15:00] <seb128> micahg, it usually is yes
[15:01] <micahg> grep -e ^_ debian/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-0.symbols | wc -l
[15:01] <micahg> 4776
[15:03] <seb128> micahg, you can use -export-symbols-regex
[15:03] <seb128> libfoo_la_LDFLAGS = -export-symbols-regex "^webkit_.*"
[15:03] <seb128> or something
[15:04] <seb128> or "^[^_].*"
[15:05] <micahg> seb128: ok, thanks, I'm guessing I have to patch the upstream build system for this?
[15:05] <seb128> yes
[15:05] <seb128> well that's my best suggestion for your question
[15:05] <seb128> out of not using a .symbols (hate those, especially in the webkit case)
[15:06] <seb128> they tend to be different between arches in webkit, cpp mangling makes those interesting
[15:06] <micahg> yeah, I've got different results on some archs, I think I'm just going to end up with per arch symbols files
[15:07] <Laney> you could work around it with a wildcard and (optional)
[15:07] <Laney> maybe
[15:07] <Laney> but they shouldn't be exported if private really
[15:09]  * micahg just seems to get ignored in the webkitgtk+ channel...
[15:15] <micahg> Laney: should I try to push a patch upstream for it?
[15:15] <micahg> they do filtering on win32 ATM
[15:15] <Laney> upstream → send symbols to debian or upstream → send buildsys mangling to webkit?
[15:16] <micahg> buildsys mangling
[15:16] <Laney> yeah, probably for the best
[15:16] <Laney> at least to find out what's supposed to happen
[15:18] <Laney> ah, cool, walters abstracted over CK/systemd for g-s-d
[16:02] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: is there a reason we don't use https google for the Firefox searchbox?
[16:05] <maxb> Hi, can anyone tell me what's changed with the removable drive automounting in Quantal? Automounting now seems to mount devices on /mediia/userid/volumelabel - but I've noticed that running 'udisks --mount /dev/foo' still mounts devices on /media/volumelabel as in previous releases
[16:47] <robru> mterry: sorry about that review! I've been totally swamped getting friends into a workable state. But barry and ken are both busy today so I think I should be able to do it today.
[16:48] <mterry> robru, no worries
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, sort of ;)
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> it will change at some point
[16:58] <mitya57> maxb: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/udisks/commit/?id=aa02e5fc53efdeaf66047d2ad437ed543178965b
[16:59] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: ok, I was just surprised to read that we use https for some search providers
[17:00] <maxb> mitya57: Hmm - interesting - but udisks from the command line is still mounting in /media/VOLLABEL for me, and it's whatever else that triggers on plugging the device is choosing the directory with the username - and nothing's using /run/media
[17:03] <maxb> mitya57: Aha. udisks vs. udisks2 (udisksctl). I see now
[17:03] <maxb> Thanks for leading me in the right direction.
[17:05] <mitya57> maxb: and /media vs /run/media thing is https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/udisks2/raring/view/head:/debian/patches/mount_in_media.patch
[17:06] <maxb> Aha, yes I suspected that would be an Ubuntu delta.
[17:06] <maxb> What confused me was that 'udisks --mount' is still present but now I'm apparently supposed to use 'udisksctl mount -b'
[17:06] <maxb> But now I have discovered this detail, I am happy :-)
[17:11] <xnox> maxb: well we did have /run/media/$user for a little in quantal, but then reverted to the saner /media/$user for now.
[17:18] <maxb> Is this the best place to be asking about a change in behaviour in Unity, which I'm unsure about being a bug or a "feature"?
[17:18] <maxb> In quantal, in my multimonitor setup, sometimes it seems that the edge stop / launcher reveal between the two monitors does not always work
[17:18] <xnox> maxb: /j #ubuntu-unity
[17:18] <maxb> aha, thanks
[17:19]  * maxb collects another channel
[17:27] <qengho> Hi all. I'm Chad, lp:~cmiller, and starting today, my day job is to make chromium-browser awesome in Ubuntu.
[17:27] <qengho> (By night, I will still Fight Crime.)
[17:29] <mitya57> hi qengho, that's very great!
[17:29] <mitya57> my wish is: please make the delta with debian as small as possible.
[17:29] <micahg> qengho: welcome
[17:29] <sarnold> qengho: woot :)
[17:31] <mitya57> ah, you are DD, so you understand me :)
[17:32] <qengho> mitya57: I was cmiller@debian around the turn of the millenium, but merely "emritus" now.  But, I agree.
[17:32] <micahg> mitya57: that's unfortunately not so possible as we use more bundled libraries than Debian
[17:33] <mitya57> micahg: why can't we use non-bundled ones?
[17:35] <micahg> mitya57: because newer versions need new features from those libraries
[17:35] <micahg> libvpx is a good example
[17:37] <mitya57> micahg: debian is planning to include new versions to wheezy-security (afaic), so it should have the same problem
[17:37] <micahg> mitya57: yes, it'll be interesting for them :)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> system libraries are overrated ;)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> hi qengho :)
[17:59] <xnox> chrisccoulson: static linking ftw! =)
[18:02] <jcastro_> qengho: \o/
[19:38] <robru> ronoc: pong? you're not on #gwibber anymore ;-)
[21:43] <kenvandine> qengho, welcome!
[21:44] <TheMuso> qengho: Welcome to the mad house! :)
[21:51] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:51] <kenvandine> TheMuso, don't scare him away :)
[22:03] <dobey> heh
[22:06] <TheMuso> Its my traditional welcome to new recruits. :)
[22:09] <desrt> attente, qengho: welcome!!
[22:09] <attente> desrt: hi
[22:09] <desrt> attente: are you enjoying your first day?
[22:10] <attente> yep, today was ok
[22:12] <desrt> did you finish the menu proxy work?
[22:12] <kenvandine> hey attente
[22:12] <kenvandine> welcome
[22:13] <kenvandine> attente, ignore desrt
[22:13] <kenvandine> first rule of order
[22:13] <kenvandine> :-D
[22:13] <attente> heh
[22:13] <desrt> attente: ignore kenvandine.  he's been drinking.
[22:13] <kenvandine> haha
[22:13] <attente> nice to meet you, kenvandine
[22:13] <kenvandine> it's my first drink!
[22:13] <kenvandine> nice to meet you too
[22:15] <attente> desrt: the only thing i managed to do was remove the segfault that was occuring on unrealize
[22:15] <attente> which is nothing
[22:15] <desrt> it's all good practice, at the very least :)
[22:16] <kenvandine> attente, fix gsettings so it doesn't segfault for schemas that aren't installed
[22:16] <kenvandine> desrt, would approve that
[22:16] <desrt> *smack*
[22:16] <desrt> it doesn't segfault, fool
[22:16]  * kenvandine loves trolling from the bar
[22:16] <kenvandine> :-D
[22:16] <desrt> attente: ignore kenvandine.  he's been drinking.
[22:16] <attente> what interesting adventures you guys have...
[22:16] <desrt> SIGABRT != SIGSEGV
[22:17] <kenvandine> attente, it's fun!
[22:19] <TheMuso> I was right, it is a mad house. :)
[22:20] <RAOF> attente: Good morning!
[22:20] <RAOF> attente: Or late afternoon, as the timezone takes it.
[22:20] <RAOF> ☺
[22:20] <attente> hello :)
[22:21] <attente> it's about dinner time here
[22:23] <RAOF> Probably time to drop off IRC and have dinner, then ☺
[22:23] <RAOF> Crazy spherical world.
[22:30] <desrt> bed time here too
[22:30] <desrt> ciao
[22:36] <attente> :)