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goddardhello?00:44
TheMuso;/c02:28
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robertzaccourThe only DE that recordmydesktop outputs 1920x1080 in is Gnome Shell. The others I tried recently (Unity, Xfce, KDE, LXDE) recordmydesktop outputs 1920x1072. Any suggestions?04:31
pittiGood morning05:06
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dholbachgood morning07:19
obounaimGood morning everybody07:22
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tkamppeterAny thundderbird/email expert around here? How can my gmail account, 6 years of e-mail, 180000 mails take only 3.2 GB whereas my canonical accoung, 10 months, 2800 mails tages 27 GB?07:49
pittibig attachments?07:49
tkamppeterpitti, do your Canonical mails also occupy such a lot of space?07:50
tkamppeterpitti, biggest attachment on a Canonical mail in my box is around 10 MB.07:50
pittitkamppeter: not more than usual, but I keep all in maildirs, and delete mail from lists07:50
tkamppeterpitti, in maildirs they would continue occupying disk space.07:51
tkamppeterpitti, I use the Canonical account via IMAP, should the inbox then not take space at all?07:52
pittiI really don't know how Tbird keeps its mail07:52
pittibut I would think that it does download it07:52
pittiit would be a ridiculously bad user experience otherwise07:53
tkamppeterI would like to have locally only some kind of cache, with mails longer not looked at only kept on the IMAP server.07:57
pittiI use archivemail for that on my mail server, but that's not quite what you want07:57
pitti$ du -hs ~/.mail07:58
pitti31M/home/martin/.mail07:58
pitti:)07:58
jibeltkamppeter, you can try to compact your mail boxes if TB is not setup to do it automatically.07:58
vibhavWill it make sense to open merge requests now?07:58
vibhavs/open/file/07:58
pittivibhav: for raring? sure07:58
vibhavpitti: What about submitting debdiff's for them?07:58
pittihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=107:58
pittiraring uploads work, but they are held in unapproved until bootstrapping finished07:59
pittivibhav: same answer07:59
vibhavyes!07:59
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tkamppeterpitti, I have found the problem: Until recently Thunderbird was managinmg IMAP accounts completely onm the remote server, now a recent update introduced taking local copies and so suddenly I had more 27 GB of old mails on my SSD. I have turned off the local copies now and deleted the huge INBOX file. Perhaps Thunderbird is sponsored by HDD/SSD manufacturers now?08:04
pittitkamppeter: I think something like "locally cache the last 4 weeks of mail" or so would be a sensible default indeed08:05
pittisearching through older ones is okay to take some time, while looking at recent ones should be fast08:05
vibhavpitti: You touched anthy last, could I preapre a merge for it?08:06
vibhavprepare*08:06
pittivibhav: please do08:06
vibhavthanks08:06
pittivibhav: thanks to you!08:07
tkamppeterpitti, this is really missing, and there is also no function to delete old or otherwise unwished mails only in the local cache and not on the server.08:11
tkamppeterpitti, so I could only manually remove the cache, by turning off caching, closing Thunderbird, deleting the INBOX file and starting Thunder bird again.08:12
pittitkamppeter: FYI, chrisccoulson is our TB maintainer, he might know how to do that in a better way08:12
pittitkamppeter: I have never used TB, so I have NFC about this, I'm afraid08:13
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tkamppeterchrisccoulson, I have some problem with Thunderbird. Most recently it seems to have changed defaults and it cloned the whole inbox of an IMAP account to the local disk, being 27 GB in my Canonical Inbox of 10 months. Now is there a way of something like keeping cache of the last 4 weeks? Or removing mails only from the local cache and not from the server?08:27
evmpt: I may have been wrong about this after all - still looking into it. But I've definitely fixed those three days.08:38
mptev, have you seen bug 927386? It looks right up your alley -- the error tracker apparently being unusable in Ubiquity :-)08:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 927386 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Installer crashed" redundant with Error Tracker alert" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92738608:40
evon it08:40
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evmpt: I've followed up on the bug08:48
tkamppeterpitti, I have a problem with apport. In Quantal I get a crash window from time to time. When I agree with sending a bug report by simply leaving the default settings of the dialog the report never gets sent. Now progress bar window and and now call of the browser. I have observed that on four different computers.08:50
pittitkamppeter: it's sending errors to http://errors.ubuntu.com, not to LP; it's working as intended08:51
tkamppeterpitti, this is the configuration made for end users, as they probably will no know how to write a bug report?08:52
pittiright08:52
pittiand we don't want to flood LP with bugs/crashes from stable releases08:52
tkamppeterpitti, who gets access to this data? Can I go to ttp://errors.ubuntu.com/ find my data and get it into a bug report?08:52
pittiev: ^ I think that's possible for an user, if you figure out your hash, right?08:53
evpitti: correct - though currently only people in bugcontrol can access their own reports. We're fixing this.09:01
pittiev: tkamppeter should be able to as a developer09:01
evpitti, tkamppeter: printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum09:04
evpitti, tkamppeter: tack that on the end of http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/09:04
ev(this is supposed to be in the preferences dialog, but for some reason a new version of activity-log-manager wasn't released in 12.1009:05
tkamppeterev, and how do I proceed?09:05
evtkamppeter: what do you mean?09:06
tkamppeterev, how do I access my data on errors.ubuntu.com.09:08
pittiopen above URL, there you see all reports that you sent09:08
evtkamppeter: I just explained. You run the first command that I pasted. That gives you a sha 512 hash. Then put it on the end of http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/ in your browser09:08
evso http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/deadbeefdeadbeefdeadbeef09:09
pittifirefox http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/`printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid)|sha512sum`09:09
evpitti: cheers :)09:09
pittitkamppeter: ^ this is a copy&paste command09:09
pittitkamppeter: you can bookmark this, it's a stable URL for each computer09:10
pitti(NB "computer", not "user")09:10
evyeah, I should really change that09:10
vibhavIs there a way to submit bugs for a ppa via apport?09:11
vibhava package in a ppa*09:11
vibhavOnly onnly blueprint\bug report on it?09:11
vibhavs/only/or/09:12
pittivibhav: a PPA package can ship a package hook which sends bugs to the upstream project, if desired09:12
vibhavpitti: Is that documented anywhere?09:14
pittivibhav: in /usr/share/doc/apport/package-hooks.txt.gz09:15
vibhavthanks pitti09:20
mptev, how much work will it be to add the 13.04 line?09:39
evvery little. Just waiting for some reports to actually come through :)09:40
mptev, and change the X axis I guess09:43
evmpt: to expand to 13.04 release?09:43
mptev, either hard-coded to 2012-04-25, or soft-coded to the latest milestone registered for any release09:44
mpter, 2013-04-2509:44
evit already does the latter for 12.10 :)09:44
evbut yeah, definitely need to make this automatic09:44
evfetching from Launchpad as you suggest09:44
evI get chills every time I hardcode the release numbers somewhere09:44
mptChills are usually for good things...09:45
tkamppeterev, sorry, I overlooked your first pastes.09:53
evno worries09:54
tkamppeterev, pitti, now I can display my data in the browser, but how do I make use of this data set for a bug report, especially if I want to get the core dump into the retracer?09:56
pittitkamppeter: errors.u.c. does retracing on its own09:56
tkamppeterpitti, so I only add a link to the appropriate OOPS to the bug report?09:58
pittitkamppeter: we don't usually file bugs for the stable release; but at this particular point in time I guess you can do that09:59
pitti(raring not open yet)09:59
tkamppeterpitti, I will use it only in certain selected cases where an SRU would be appropriate.10:00
tkamppeterev, pitti, I have found a small usability problem in the web interface of https://errors.ubuntu.com/: OOPSes are sorted alphabetically by their UUID, which is absolutely useless, as UUIDs are more or less random numbers. It would be much better to sort them by date and perhaps also tell in the overview list in which package the problem occurred.10:17
evtkamppeter: I'm already aware of it. It's on my todo list.10:17
evthanks all the same though10:17
tkamppeterev, pitti, thank you very much.10:21
evsure thing10:23
evtkamppeter: in the interest of transparency, I've moved it into a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/106974310:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069743 in Errors "System page should be presented as a sorted table" [Undecided,New]10:25
vilahi all10:49
vilaI'm upgrading to quantal and noticed that computer-janitor has been removed. How are the corresponding features handled now ?10:49
vibhavWould it make sense to merge apt-cacher-ng 0.7.7-2 from sid? The changes in this version are a bit insignificant ( http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt-cacher-ng/apt-cacher-ng_0.7.7-2/changelog )11:09
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Laneyno, leave a comment on m.u.c saying so11:16
vibhavdone11:19
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infinityjamespage: Regarding your openattestation upload in the precise queue.  Can you use release versions in  your version numbers instead of codenames?11:46
jamespageinfinity, I can yes11:46
infinityjamespage: So, 1.5-0.12.04.0 instead of 1.5-0precise1, or something along those lines.11:46
infinityjamespage: Thanks.  We're trying to break people of the codename habit, since the end of the alphabet's coming up, and it'll sort rather poorly. :P11:47
jamespageinfinity, OK11:47
seb128infinity, easy solution, don't wrap, just append11:48
seb128z -> za -> zb, etc :p11:48
infinityseb128: *grin*11:48
infinityjamespage: Oh, same complaint in the quantal queue, now that I look over there.11:51
cjwatson* seb128 is now known as Excel11:51
cjwatson(though not quite, it did Z AA AB IIRC)11:51
infinityjamespage: For reference, I'm using versions like "1.6.0-0ubuntu0.12.10" for vmware-view-client.  Might want to use something along those lines.11:52
jamespageinfinity, ack11:52
infinitycjwatson: Wasn't DOS drive lettering the same?11:52
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cjwatsoninfinity: I recycled those neurons years ago.11:56
cjwatsoninfinity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_letter_assignment suggests it was a bit more complicated than that.11:57
infinitycjwatson: I wish I hadn't read that.12:00
infinitycjwatson: Only Novell would have considered `: a reasonable drive designation.12:01
mlankhorstinfinity: of course! Lets use unicode designations12:05
mlankhorst家:12:05
LaneyUbuntu ☭12:06
vibhavLaney: Ubuntu Community?12:25
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bdmurrayseb128: is there a bug regarding .xsession-errors filing your disk? bug 106940215:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069402 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu fill all disk space of / in file ~/.xsession-errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106940215:18
seb128bdmurray, there is bug #100077515:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1000775 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "[12.04] [ Precise] .xsession-errors getting spammed filling up the disk." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100077515:23
seb128bdmurray, that's the bug that lightdm doesn't limit the log or truncate it, that doesn't cover whatever buggy app is spamming the log which is an issue by itself as well15:24
bdmurrayseb128: right, okay thanks!15:25
seb128bdmurray, yw!15:25
dokomvo, python-apt ftbfs for python3.315:37
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mvodoko: can you link to the ftbfs15:51
jamespage_hallyn, around?15:51
dokomvo, no, local build, deprecated function15:51
mvodoko: on the product sprint right now, could you mail me the build link?15:51
mvodoko: eh, sorry15:52
mvodoko: build log I mean? or past the failure message please?15:52
dokomvo, will do15:52
mvothanks15:52
mvodoko: hints on how to reproduce also welcome, unless its very difficult15:53
dokomvo: just build in a raring chroot15:53
hallynjamesh: what's up?15:56
hallynuh15:56
hallynjamespage: what's up?15:57
hallynjamesh: sorry, nm15:57
bdmurraypitti: doe bug 1053749 belong somewhere else?15:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1053749 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu Raring) "software-properties-gtk cannot launch" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105374915:59
mitya57doko: can you please sponsor my fix for sphinx ftbfs (bug 1069894)?16:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069894 in sphinx (Ubuntu) "Shinx fails to build on raring" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106989416:29
jacobwhi, is this the right place to seek information on packaging? i'm looking for information about packaging xul extensions16:36
mitya57jacobw: maybe #ubuntu-mozillateam will be a better place...16:37
jacobwmitya57: thanks16:45
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jbichaslangasek: so now we have 2 bugs for the efi boot issue, bug 1069475 & bug 106990818:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069475 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub fails to boot unsigned kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106947518:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069908 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME Remix image don't boot on EFI systems" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106990818:22
barrycjwatson: i'd like to avoid having to always say 'raring-proposed' during normal development, and i'd like for only 'raring' to show up in apt-get sources and udd branches18:48
stgraberbarry: changelog and .changes file will just say raring and LP will then redirect to raring-proposed where it'll finally be copied to raring once it's all built and tested18:50
barrystgraber: perfect :)18:50
stgraberso for apt-get sources, it'll be raring, not sure how UDD will handle that stuff though18:50
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barrystgraber: that will be fun to see ;)18:56
ptomblinHi.  I just discovered (because one of my users knows how to contact me outside of email) that when I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 yesterday, it installed this package "mail-stack-delivery", which a) changed mail delivery from MBOX to MailDir b) removed half of my spam tests in postfix/main.cf19:24
ptomblinThe former is pretty important, because it didn't change dovecot imap to show maildir mail, so the users couldn't see any new mail - but that's probably a good thing because if it had changed, they wouldn't have been able to see their old mail.19:25
slangasekptomblin: according to the changelog, the mail-stack-delivery package has been present since oneiric; the precise version of the package definitely depended on it; so I don't think you've gotten to the root issue yet19:28
slangasekptomblin: in any case, you should probably file a bug on dovecot about the issue, and if you need further help debugging, #ubuntu-server is a good place to find experts19:28
ptomblinWell, all I know is that I have a spent half the afternoon trying to undo the damage, and now my users are asking how I can get them all the mail they got in the last two days that's stuck in maildirs.19:29
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ceolinhey guys, is there a channel for appmenu or this one can be used ?19:37
jcastro_#ubuntu-unity probably19:38
ceolinjcastro_: thanks, i'll try there19:39
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gruebertGreetings.20:25
gruebertRegarding UDC. . .20:26
gruebertnexus 7.20:32
* gruebert hangs his head.20:32
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gruebertre: nijaba20:34
gruebertoh, the silence.20:40
slangasekgruebert: we could put on some background music20:41
gruebertoerm.  Some requiem, perhpa.20:42
gruebertperhaps.20:42
gruebertSo...  how mny babies do I have to eat to get a nexus7 howto?  cause, I might as well kill two birds with one stone.20:43
gruebertI'm raring to go.20:44
gruebertIs it possible to stream UDC?20:53
dobeygruebert: you mean UDS? there will be audio streams available for it next week, when it starts, yes20:56
gruebertsorry, yes.20:56
gruebertI'm chomping at the bit to throw 13.04on my nexus7.20:56
gruebertvnc is meh.20:57
dobeybarry: ping20:58
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barrydobey: pong21:32
jcastro_We don't call them derivatives anymore do we, we call kubuntu, xubuntu, and lubuntu ... ?21:34
Laneyflavours21:34
jcastro_ta21:34
* jcastro_ fixes the spelling and moves on21:34
Laneyyou'd probably omit the u though21:34
Laneypip pip21:35
dobeybarry: hey, so i tried to build dirspec nightlies on raring; but it seems py3versions -vr returns python3.3, which isn't getting installed. is py3versions -vr perhaps the wrong way to use it, and one should just use "python3" always in the packaging? or do I need to wait for python3.3 to get in as the default python3?21:42
darkxstslangasek, can you confirm what changes were made to images for secure boot? it looks like the release cd always boots signed image? which was missing on ubuntu-gnome image21:45
barrydobey: python3.3 should be a supported version in raring right now, with 3.2 still the default.  i think we're going to need an updated python3-defaults package, probably with the latest experimental version though21:46
barryor unstable21:46
darkxstslangasek, are there any other changes we need to make other than including signed kernel?21:49
dobeybarry: is there a way to Build-Depends on "all versions of python3" that isn't "python3.2, python3.3, python3.etc"?21:57
barrydobey: "X-Python3-Version: >= 3.2" and BD on python3-all|dev *should* do it, and it is a bug if that doesn't work ;)21:58
dobeyah ok. i just have python3, not python3-all21:59
dobeywill see if that fixes it; thanks22:01
dobeybarry: btw, are you in .dk already?22:01
barrydobey: not yet.  i'm also distracted today and tomorrow finishing up work on a talk i give on wednesday ;)22:02
dobeyah no worries. just wanted to make sure i wasn't bugging you too late in the day :)22:02
barrynope :)22:04
xnoxbarry: stgraber: well UDD will do what it does with current SRUs it will update both the -proposed & release branches. And hopefully it will be identical commits....22:04
xnoxas in shared history, but who knows.22:05
dobeybut time for me to head off anyway. later :)22:05
xnoxI had a quick chat but for example if you are working on a transition you may need dependencies from -proposed or test build against proposed if something did not cause the scales tip enough to copy the packages over.22:06
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cjwatsonbarry: everything should ultimately show up in lp:ubuntu/raring/blah, although possibly with "branch nick: raring-proposed" in some commits - I forget.  If something causes uploads to back up in -proposed it's possible that you may occasionally need to check out from -proposed to get the newest source.  otherwise it shouldn't be a major imposition22:54
barrycjwatson: that sounds great, thanks.22:55
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darkxstcjwatson, can you confirm what changes were made to images for secure boot? it looks like the release cd always boots signed image? which was missing on ubuntu-gnome image23:37
darkxstcjwatson,  are there any other changes we need to make other than including signed kernel?23:38
cjwatsondarkxst: make sure you have grub-efi-amd64-signed and shim-signed as well23:38
darkxstcjwatson, ok will check, thanks23:39
cjwatsonI don't know how you construct your top-level ISO9660 image; live-build / ubuntu-defaults-image won't do the right thing yet, I'm afraid23:40
darkxstcjwatson, we use the ubuntu image and rebuild the squashfs23:41
cjwatsonour debian-cd instance unpacks the debian-cd_info tarball from d-i and extracts /EFI/BOOT/{BOOTx64,grubx64}.efi from the grub/efi.img therein23:41
cjwatsonOK, that will save effort23:41
darkxstbut efi booting completely broke with the final release :(23:41
cjwatsonwe ship grub-efi-amd64-signed and shim-signed as .debs outside the squashfs23:41
cjwatsondarkxst: I expect that it's only on some hardware23:42
cjwatsonunless you're saying that non-SB machines broke too, in which case it's not just about linux-signed23:42
darkxstwell it appears to be trying to boot the signed kernel on non-secureboot23:42
cjwatsonthat's permissible23:42
darkxstcjwatson, not when our image was missing the signed kernel23:43
cjwatsonsure, but in that case it's frankly bizarre that it would be trying to boot it ...23:43
cjwatsonso, sure, shove linux-signed in and see if it helps, but it smells of some other problem23:43
darkxstcjwatson, grub config points to signed kernel?23:44
cjwatsonyou mean when booting the CD itself or after installation?23:44
darkxstyeh booting the CD23:44
cjwatsonoh, well, that's right there on the top-level iso9660 fs, you could just edit it!23:44
cjwatsonalthough probably better to include the signed kernel for the sake of the SB machines that get confused without it23:45
cjwatson(it's not meant to be strictly required, but we haven't tracked down the bug that causes some firmware to throw a wobbly without it yet)23:45
darkxstcjwatson, yes we have fixed that issue, anyway just wanted to check we arent missing other bits as well23:46
cjwatsonsure23:46
cjwatsonI don't think so23:46
darkxstcjwatson, I meant the missing kernel is fixed (once we rebuild image)23:47
cjwatsonaye23:47
darkxstcjwatson, do we need to include the ubiquity update also?23:51
xnoxdarkxst: there was one ubiquity update to stop it from removing signed kernels at post-install cleanup. You _do_ want that update ;-)23:51
everaldocjwatson, so, we need also to ship grub-efi-amd64-signed and shim-signed as .deb ?23:52
everaldoxnox, when we rebuild the iso it alerady includes ubiquity updates23:52
darkxsteveraldo, no it pulls ubiuquity from main23:53
everaldodarkxst, oh :(23:53
everaldodarkxst, can we build images with updates repo or just wget ubiquity ?23:54
xnoxYou do want 2.12.15, and 2.12.16 is a nice to have.23:54
cjwatsoneveraldo: darkxst said you were only rebuilding the squashfs, so you should already have that23:55
cjwatsonyeah, you need >= 2.12.15 if you're for some reason not building with -updates enabled23:56
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cjwatsonit was all a bit of a mad rush towards the end23:56
cjwatsoneveraldo: I wouldn't recommend just wgetting ubiquity; you'd need to get various associated packages as well23:57
cjwatsoncopy it into a dedicated PPA if you have some reason not to just build with all of -updates23:57
everaldoI don't see any problem to include updates23:57
everaldodarkxst, do you see?23:57
darkxstyes I think we can enable updates for the rebuild23:58
everaldook, going to do it23:58
darkxstit would be nice to get the e-d-s fix also, but that is still in proposed I think23:59
everaldodarkxst, e-d-s ?23:59
darkxstevolution-data-server (gmail fix)23:59

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