[01:41]  * micahg wonders where the sponsoring queue went
[04:56] <maxiaojun> hi
[04:57] <maxiaojun> I want to make "tegaki-zinnia-traditional-chinese" into Ubuntu. pad.lv/1069292
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <obounaim> Good morning everybody
[08:33] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:35] <dholbach> hi iulian
[09:06] <vibhav> hmm, anybody knows what happened to the sponsor queue?
[09:16] <Laney> dholbach: ^?
[10:32] <dholbach> Laney, what is the question?
[10:32] <dholbach> vibhav, ^
[10:32] <dholbach> Last updated at: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:24:30 -0000
[10:32] <dholbach> looks fine to me
[10:33] <Laney> am i going to the wrong link?
[10:33] <Laney> !sponsoring
[10:33] <dholbach> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[10:33] <vibhav> reqorts
[10:33] <vibhav> Its http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ on the topic
[10:33] <Laney> yeah reqorts?!
[10:34] <dholbach> so
[10:34] <dholbach> ?
[10:34] <dholbach> what's the question? :)
[10:34] <Laney> has that always been it?
[10:34] <Laney> did reports work before?
[10:34] <Laney> it's at least linked from that wiki page
[10:34] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[10:34] <dholbach> in the last few years it's always been there
[10:34] <Laney> (and in my browser history as reports)
[10:35] <vibhav> dholbach: the topic links to http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ and not  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring
[10:35] <Laney> I suspect some redirect stopped working
[10:35] <dholbach> ok, then maybe it should be fixed there
[10:35] <dholbach> I've got to rush off, so I'll leave you guys to it :)
[10:35] <dholbach> see you in a bit
[10:35] <Laney> heh
[10:35] <Laney> I'd rather not fix every link
[10:36] <vibhav> Can I do it then?
[10:36]  * Laney asks IS
[10:37] <vibhav> I always that it was reports, wierd :|
[10:37] <vibhav> what does reqorts mean anyway?
[10:37] <Laney> I strongly suspect that there was a redirect
[10:37] <vibhav> probably
[10:38] <Laney> checking
[10:46] <Laney> anyone seen python-keyring (or whatever it is) forcing you to reset your keyring password every time?
[10:46] <Laney> Please enter password for encrypted keyring:
[10:46] <Laney> Please set a password for your new keyring:
[10:46] <Laney> Please confirm the password:
[10:48] <xnox> Laney: did you change your user password?
[10:49] <xnox> in a non-gui way?
[10:49] <Laney> no, I just created the keyring
[10:49] <Laney> there is no GUI, it's inside lxc
[10:49] <xnox> horum. sorry, no idea.
[10:50] <Laney> that makes two of us
[10:50] <vibhav> Laney: nope
[11:13] <Laney> vibhav: should be coming back soonish
[11:14] <vibhav> thanks
[11:14] <Laney> dholbach: Turns out reports.qa.u.c got moved to a new server which didn't have the old /reports/ stuff (reqorts is the old server which used to be reports)
[11:15] <vibhav> reposts!
[11:15] <vibhav> Anyways, thanks again
[11:38] <cjwatson> All you folks doing syncs to raring may want to hold off a bit.
[11:38] <cjwatson> Depending on how our upload changes work out, they may end up being rejected.
[11:39] <Laney> what about manual uploads?
[11:40] <cjwatson> Those should be fine
[11:40] <cjwatson> (Not that I'm encouraging people to do manual uploads that should be syncs)
[11:40] <Laney> no, I meant real ones
[11:40] <cjwatson> If you must do syncs early, then for now I suggest targeting raring-proposed rather than raring.
[11:40] <cjwatson> Worst case for that is a bit of extra work for archive admins.
[11:41] <Laney> hm, UDD seems unhappy
[11:41] <Laney> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ "11228 outstanding jobs"
[11:42] <Laney> is this a usual release opening thing?
[11:42] <Laney> bzr branch lp:debian/unstable/<anything> fails
[11:46] <cjwatson> Laney: need to ask for it to be re-enabled - trying to figure that out now
[11:46] <Laney> cjwatson: great, cheers
[11:58] <mitya57> dholbach: online?
[11:58] <Laney> Rhonda: could you make packages.u.c list quantal-{updates,backports}?
[11:58] <Laney> also possibly raring (and maybe it is now interesting to list -proposed for the dev series?)
[11:59] <cjwatson> That would encourage users to use <dev>-proposed, so I wouldn't recommend that
[11:59] <cjwatson> quantal-{updates,backports} and raring should indeed happen though
[12:00] <dholbach> mitya57, yes
[12:00] <Laney> yeah, maybe it would
[12:01] <mitya57> dholbach: I won't be happy until developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html is fixed :)
[12:01] <Laney> -backports is now extant for the development release, on the other hand
[12:01] <mitya57> (now everything returns 403)
[12:01] <Laney> d.u.c works here
[12:02] <Laney> packaging guide's css is busted though
[12:02] <geser> Laney: if you find a work-around for the password changing (from python-keyring) let me know plz. I see it in my dev chroot too and it's annoying :(
[12:02] <mitya57> that's because it's now symlinked to /usr/share/ubuntu-packaging-guide/
[12:02] <Laney> geser: I've been hacking scripts to set credentials_file
[12:03] <Laney> perhaps we should, like, debug it
[12:03] <dholbach> mitya57, I know - it's on my list - today is a crazy day
[12:03] <dholbach> mitya57, I'll take care of it in a bit
[12:04] <mitya57> dholbach: I understand...
[12:04] <dholbach> ok
[12:04] <dholbach> will let you know when it's fixed
[12:04] <mitya57> dholbach: not needed
[12:18] <geser> Laney: I was simply using requestsync to trigger it
[12:19] <Laney> geser: yes, it's trivial to trigger
[12:19] <Laney> i'm saying we should find out why it happens and file a bug
[12:47] <Rhonda> Laney: Ah, of course.
[12:48] <Rhonda> Laney: "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?"
[12:54] <Rhonda> natty is discontinued now, right?
[13:04] <mitya57> Rhonda: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anypackage says it's still supported
[13:05] <mitya57> The close date is something like Oct 28
[13:08] <Rhonda> I won't let it in, commit the change for quantal release now and remove it in a week's time from the packages site.
[13:08] <Rhonda> That doesn't make much sense to me. :)
[13:09] <al-maisan> is there a way of setting the JAVA_HOME env. variable in arch-independent fashion so that the JVM is found irrespective of 32/64 bit installation?
[13:10] <al-maisan> Right now I use JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64" but I guess that won't work on a 32-bit system, right?
[13:12] <Rhonda> hahahaha, MOTD on jubany.c.c  :D
[13:12] <Rhonda> "do not reboot" in banner lettering. :)
[13:12] <Rhonda> hmmmm
[13:24] <al-maisan> hmm .. /usr/lib/jvm/default-java is arch-independent and what I was looking for
[13:28] <Rhonda> Laney, cjwatson: Should be done, after the next cron job/mirror push.
[13:31] <cjwatson> Thanks
[13:56] <Laney> Rhonda: great
[13:56] <Laney> maybe you want to remove Frank's name ;-)
[14:18] <Rhonda> He's still there?
[14:19] <Laney> at the top, yeah
[14:19] <Laney> ... and the bottom
[14:19] <Rhonda> huhm, right
[14:19] <Rhonda> … and this MOTD motivates me to finally start up aewan again and produce some ubuntu branded ascii art. :)
[14:20] <Rhonda> … including offering my own figlet font for the lettering.
[14:20] <nigelb> You have your own figlet font?
[14:20]  * nigelb bows
[14:20] <Rhonda> Yes.
[14:20]  * highvoltage needs new figlet fonts
[14:21] <Rhonda> Actually I should pester sam to include it as default for toilet, but I think he's more interested in utf8 fonts
[14:21] <Laney> figlet FIG figlet FIG
[14:22] <Rhonda> http://fav.me/d7ghx8 is one of the favorites of my creations.  ;)
[14:22] <highvoltage> that looks gimped.
[14:28] <Rhonda> :)
[14:28] <Rhonda> Laney: Hmm, well, I'm looking after it these days, but I wouldn't call it maintaining.  I'm uncertain.  Not until I changed a bit more of the code. :)
[14:28] <Rhonda> But, the "to report a problem" I will change right ahead, yes.
[14:40] <Rhonda> ok, the dynamic pages already have my email address at the bottom, the rest will follow after the next rerun
[14:41] <Rhonda> (and I expect to get spammed even more now …
[14:41] <Laney> ;-)
[15:32] <mitya57> dholbach: will now try the sphinx patch
[15:32] <mitya57> (though it's a bit strange that the pull request has been deleted)
[15:33] <mitya57> wow, there's a new pull request that attempts to fix japanese LaTeX problems!
[15:41] <dholbach> mitya57, yeah, I saw it - we should maybe ping upstream :)
[15:41] <dholbach> barry knows upstream IIRC
[15:42] <barry> dholbach, mitya57 sphinx upstream?
[15:42] <dholbach> yes
[15:42] <dholbach> they have a bunch of pull requests which didn't get reviewed :)
[15:43] <barry> dholbach: i think georg has just been swamped lately, but i think i've seen some recent activity from him on sphinx
[15:43] <dholbach> particularly the i18n stuff would be good to get in
[15:46] <mitya57> I get this trying to build sphinx with that patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1297780/
[15:50] <mitya57> oops, the same happens without the patch :(
[15:51] <mitya57> ah, that's because I'm using new docutils I built for raring...
[15:51] <mitya57> https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/issue/998/docutils-010-will-break-sphinx-manpage
[16:14] <mitya57> dholbach: when I revert last three translation commits and do "make html-es", that succeeds
[16:15] <mitya57> does that mean that the patch works?
[16:15] <dholbach> err
[16:15] <mitya57> I thought there was some workaround in the translations...
[16:16] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure - are you trying this with the sphinx upstream patch now?
[16:18] <mitya57> dholbach: yes
[16:18] <dholbach> and with the the last 3 changes applied it doesn't work?
[16:19] <dholbach> is the crash report the same as in the bug?
[16:20] <mitya57> with the last 3 changes applied it should always work (even without the patch), shouldn't it?
[16:20] <dholbach> no, it crashes for me
[16:21] <mitya57> will try now
[16:21] <dholbach> it seems like the translated href names were a red herring, so not the actual problem :/
[16:21] <mitya57> succeeds
[16:21] <dholbach> NICE
[16:22] <mitya57> As the package now lives in Debian, we'll need jwilk to accept this patch
[16:22] <dholbach> do you think you can upload the source package into your PPA maybe?
[16:22] <dholbach> sphinx I mean
[16:22] <dholbach> then I'll have a look at it, play around with it some more and stick it into our team ppa for the time being (until we can fix it in ubuntu itself)
[16:23] <mitya57> dholbach: but I can, yes
[16:23] <dholbach> mitya57, thanks so much for your work on this
[16:23] <mitya57> no, we can't fix it in ubuntu itself: ^^
[16:23] <dholbach> in an SRU then
[16:25] <mitya57> SRU is fine, yes
[16:25] <dholbach> perfect
[16:42] <bobweaver> Hello there I am trying to make a meta package that installs like a top 20 list of things that I do after installing Ubuntu. but I would like to use debconf to make this happen. like for the meta package "Ubuntu restricted extras"  I would like to have a debconf that says "Ubuntu restricted extras installs X,Y&Z . Would you like to install this package. " thus giving the end-user the option to select Yes or No . but I can not figure out
[16:42] <bobweaver>  how to implant that in debconf. This is how I think that I will do it. set up stanzas for debconf and have then answer store then call them. maybe I should make "debian/ubuntu-restricted-extras.install" and if yes in debconf install. How would you do it?  or have any tips ?
[16:43] <bobweaver> ^^ in debian policy manner that is ^^
[16:44] <cjwatson> You can't do that in debconf, because apt/dpkg aren't re-entrant - a package can't conditionally install another package in its maintainer scripts.
[16:45] <micahg> bobweaver: I think sessioninstaller is closer to what you're looking for
[16:45] <cjwatson> You would have to write a script that does the installation, outside of the context of postinst scripts etc.
[16:49] <bobweaver> cjwatson,  micahg  thanks a ton !  cjwatson  could script be to launch other app that was installed 1st. er... so like say I am writing app (qml) that is tutorial for new users (like about unity press super for this have super button symbol show up on screen.) could I use something like that but would it have to be in nm PreDepends sorry. I am just trying to make a program (qml) that takes and gives tour of Ubuntu desktop then on tour g
[16:49] <bobweaver> ives option to install packages.
[16:50] <micahg> bobweaver: sessioninstaller is what you're looking for
[16:51] <bobweaver> Oh cool this is dbus reader thanks again micahg
[16:52] <cjwatson> But just to re-explain my comments: while your package's postinst script is running, you can't install any other packages.
[16:53] <cjwatson> It doesn't matter whether you hide that in some other script.
[16:53] <bobweaver> because dpkg is already busy correct ?
[16:53] <cjwatson> It would have to be something the user ran separately (and, yes, probably involving sessioninstaller or something like it).
[16:53] <cjwatson> Correct.
[16:53] <cjwatson> And you don't want to use Pre-Depends.
[16:54] <cjwatson> If your program runs outside the context of installing the package containing it, then dpkg won't be busy and you can install stuff.
[16:58] <bobweaver> I see cjwatson  I am going to read more into sessioninstaller but I think i am going to have to just write something into the app like declarative onfirsttimelaunch.cpp or something like that. Thanks again everybody :)
[17:41] <maveze> Hi, anyone know what can i do with that error: dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0 needed by... (ELF format: 'elf32-i386'; RPATH: '')??
[18:19] <jtaylor> is it normal that you get binary-nmu-debian-revision-in-source lintian warning with backport version numbers?
[18:20] <jtaylor> binary-nmu-debian-revision-in-source 0.13.1-1~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1
[18:21] <micahg> sounds normal from the description
[18:22] <jtaylor> I didn't get it with ~code-name~ppa
[18:22] <jtaylor> what is confusing lintian here?
[18:22] <micahg> 12.10.1
[18:22] <jtaylor> ah
[18:22] <jtaylor> thx
[18:22] <jtaylor> never seen a three part binnmu version
[18:23] <micahg> it sounds old
[18:23] <micahg> "(The +b form is the current standard; the three-part version number now obsolete.)"
[18:28] <jtaylor> micahg: has bug 1040756 been overlooked or is it just to invasive?
[18:28] <micahg> I didn't see it yet
[18:29] <jtaylor> the rdeps are scary, but there was only one issue in 6 month were a package used fftw3 wrong
[18:29] <jtaylor> (obscure science package)
[18:32] <micahg> jtaylor: none of the rdeps are marked as tested
[18:32] <jtaylor> micahg: its impossible to test so much
[18:33] <jtaylor> I was thinking that the lack of bugs might be enough :)
[18:33] <tumbleweed> you can at least test a reasonable number of them
[18:34] <tumbleweed> preferably the high-popcon ones
[18:34] <tumbleweed> (but I am not a backporter) :P
[18:34] <jtaylor> I would expect high popcon ones to already have noticed something
[18:35] <micahg> different versions of the rdeps could also affect things
[18:38] <jtaylor> that should be pretty unlikely
[18:39] <jtaylor> the library hasn't really changed that much, just got support for new cpu instructions under the hood
[18:39] <jtaylor> but I'm fine with waiting a little longer
[18:39] <jtaylor> probably avx enabled cpu's are still to rare
[18:40] <micahg> jtaylor: I would like to see some build/install/run testing of at least the on-image packages
[18:41] <micahg> seems like most of this stuff would affect Ubuntu studio mostly
[18:41]  * micahg wonders if reverse-depends could learn about what's on an image
[18:42] <jtaylor> libmagickcore5 looks like a decent candidate
[18:42] <jtaylor> lets see what it uses it for
[18:42] <micahg> jtaylor: are you coming to UDS?
[18:42] <jtaylor> no
[18:43] <jtaylor> stupid work always shedules my trips to be at the same time as uds or debconf ...
[18:43] <jtaylor> and then the trip gets canceled to late for me to go ._.
[18:45] <tumbleweed> micahg: that was the point of seeded-in-ubuntu
[18:46] <micahg> tumbleweed: that just tells you if it's on an image, not which binaries/sources are reverse dependencies on an image
[18:55] <tumbleweed> oh, I seew hat you mean
[18:56] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: you have an avx cpu right?
[18:57] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: yup, my laptop does
[18:57]  * tumbleweed probably shouldn't admit that, though
[18:57] <jtaylor> :)
[18:58] <tumbleweed> there's useful testing to be done without an AVX CPU, surely
[18:58] <jtaylor> fftw has an extensive testsuite and really only does one thing
[18:58] <jtaylor> avx is the thing I can't cover :/
[18:59] <jtaylor> but it would be enough if you have the time to just run this: convert -fft /usr/share/doc/texlive-base/pdftex/manual/samplepdf/pic.jpg tmp.jpg
[18:59] <jtaylor> or with any jpg
[19:00] <jtaylor> but only when you have the time, its really not urgent
[19:01] <micahg> jtaylor: what was the outcome of Bug #1069954
[19:01] <micahg> (not that bug specifically, but the issue as we discussed it before quantal's release)
[19:01]  * tumbleweed can probably do that
[19:01] <jtaylor> hm as I understood it wait until main universe distinction is gone
[19:02] <jtaylor> I forgot to fix the yorick-av ftbs ._.