[01:41] * micahg wonders where the sponsoring queue went [04:56] hi [04:57] I want to make "tegaki-zinnia-traditional-chinese" into Ubuntu. pad.lv/1069292 [07:19] good morning [07:22] Good morning everybody === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:33] Morning dholbach. [08:35] hi iulian [09:06] hmm, anybody knows what happened to the sponsor queue? [09:16] dholbach: ^? [10:32] Laney, what is the question? [10:32] vibhav, ^ [10:32] Last updated at: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:24:30 -0000 [10:32] looks fine to me [10:33] am i going to the wrong link? [10:33] !sponsoring [10:33] You can find out about the package sponsorship process here http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - For !UDS sponsorship see http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/ [10:33] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [10:33] reqorts [10:33] Its http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ on the topic [10:33] yeah reqorts?! [10:34] so [10:34] ? [10:34] what's the question? :) [10:34] has that always been it? [10:34] did reports work before? [10:34] it's at least linked from that wiki page [10:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [10:34] in the last few years it's always been there [10:34] (and in my browser history as reports) [10:35] dholbach: the topic links to http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ and not http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring [10:35] I suspect some redirect stopped working [10:35] ok, then maybe it should be fixed there [10:35] I've got to rush off, so I'll leave you guys to it :) [10:35] see you in a bit [10:35] heh [10:35] I'd rather not fix every link [10:36] Can I do it then? [10:36] * Laney asks IS [10:37] I always that it was reports, wierd :| [10:37] what does reqorts mean anyway? [10:37] I strongly suspect that there was a redirect [10:37] probably [10:38] checking [10:46] anyone seen python-keyring (or whatever it is) forcing you to reset your keyring password every time? [10:46] Please enter password for encrypted keyring: [10:46] Please set a password for your new keyring: [10:46] Please confirm the password: [10:48] Laney: did you change your user password? [10:49] in a non-gui way? [10:49] no, I just created the keyring [10:49] there is no GUI, it's inside lxc [10:49] horum. sorry, no idea. [10:50] that makes two of us [10:50] Laney: nope === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:13] vibhav: should be coming back soonish [11:14] thanks [11:14] dholbach: Turns out reports.qa.u.c got moved to a new server which didn't have the old /reports/ stuff (reqorts is the old server which used to be reports) [11:15] reposts! [11:15] Anyways, thanks again [11:38] All you folks doing syncs to raring may want to hold off a bit. [11:38] Depending on how our upload changes work out, they may end up being rejected. [11:39] what about manual uploads? [11:40] Those should be fine [11:40] (Not that I'm encouraging people to do manual uploads that should be syncs) [11:40] no, I meant real ones [11:40] If you must do syncs early, then for now I suggest targeting raring-proposed rather than raring. [11:40] Worst case for that is a bit of extra work for archive admins. [11:41] hm, UDD seems unhappy [11:41] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ "11228 outstanding jobs" [11:42] is this a usual release opening thing? [11:42] bzr branch lp:debian/unstable/ fails [11:46] Laney: need to ask for it to be re-enabled - trying to figure that out now [11:46] cjwatson: great, cheers [11:58] dholbach: online? [11:58] Rhonda: could you make packages.u.c list quantal-{updates,backports}? [11:58] also possibly raring (and maybe it is now interesting to list -proposed for the dev series?) [11:59] That would encourage users to use -proposed, so I wouldn't recommend that [11:59] quantal-{updates,backports} and raring should indeed happen though [12:00] mitya57, yes [12:00] yeah, maybe it would [12:01] dholbach: I won't be happy until developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html is fixed :) [12:01] -backports is now extant for the development release, on the other hand [12:01] (now everything returns 403) [12:01] d.u.c works here [12:02] packaging guide's css is busted though [12:02] Laney: if you find a work-around for the password changing (from python-keyring) let me know plz. I see it in my dev chroot too and it's annoying :( [12:02] that's because it's now symlinked to /usr/share/ubuntu-packaging-guide/ [12:02] geser: I've been hacking scripts to set credentials_file [12:03] perhaps we should, like, debug it [12:03] mitya57, I know - it's on my list - today is a crazy day [12:03] mitya57, I'll take care of it in a bit [12:04] dholbach: I understand... [12:04] ok [12:04] will let you know when it's fixed [12:04] dholbach: not needed === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [12:18] Laney: I was simply using requestsync to trigger it [12:19] geser: yes, it's trivial to trigger [12:19] i'm saying we should find out why it happens and file a bug [12:47] Laney: Ah, of course. [12:48] Laney: "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?" [12:54] natty is discontinued now, right? [13:04] Rhonda: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anypackage says it's still supported [13:05] The close date is something like Oct 28 [13:08] I won't let it in, commit the change for quantal release now and remove it in a week's time from the packages site. [13:08] That doesn't make much sense to me. :) [13:09] is there a way of setting the JAVA_HOME env. variable in arch-independent fashion so that the JVM is found irrespective of 32/64 bit installation? [13:10] Right now I use JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64" but I guess that won't work on a 32-bit system, right? [13:12] hahahaha, MOTD on jubany.c.c :D [13:12] "do not reboot" in banner lettering. :) [13:12] hmmmm [13:24] hmm .. /usr/lib/jvm/default-java is arch-independent and what I was looking for [13:28] Laney, cjwatson: Should be done, after the next cron job/mirror push. [13:31] Thanks === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [13:56] Rhonda: great [13:56] maybe you want to remove Frank's name ;-) === Zic is now known as Zic_ === Zic_ is now known as Zic__ === Zic__ is now known as Zic [14:18] He's still there? [14:19] at the top, yeah [14:19] ... and the bottom [14:19] huhm, right [14:19] … and this MOTD motivates me to finally start up aewan again and produce some ubuntu branded ascii art. :) [14:20] … including offering my own figlet font for the lettering. [14:20] You have your own figlet font? [14:20] * nigelb bows [14:20] Yes. [14:20] * highvoltage needs new figlet fonts [14:21] Actually I should pester sam to include it as default for toilet, but I think he's more interested in utf8 fonts [14:21] figlet FIG figlet FIG [14:22] http://fav.me/d7ghx8 is one of the favorites of my creations. ;) [14:22] that looks gimped. [14:28] :) [14:28] Laney: Hmm, well, I'm looking after it these days, but I wouldn't call it maintaining. I'm uncertain. Not until I changed a bit more of the code. :) [14:28] But, the "to report a problem" I will change right ahead, yes. [14:40] ok, the dynamic pages already have my email address at the bottom, the rest will follow after the next rerun [14:41] (and I expect to get spammed even more now … [14:41] ;-) [15:32] dholbach: will now try the sphinx patch [15:32] (though it's a bit strange that the pull request has been deleted) [15:33] wow, there's a new pull request that attempts to fix japanese LaTeX problems! [15:41] mitya57, yeah, I saw it - we should maybe ping upstream :) [15:41] barry knows upstream IIRC [15:42] dholbach, mitya57 sphinx upstream? [15:42] yes [15:42] they have a bunch of pull requests which didn't get reviewed :) [15:43] dholbach: i think georg has just been swamped lately, but i think i've seen some recent activity from him on sphinx [15:43] particularly the i18n stuff would be good to get in [15:46] I get this trying to build sphinx with that patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1297780/ [15:50] oops, the same happens without the patch :( [15:51] ah, that's because I'm using new docutils I built for raring... [15:51] https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/issue/998/docutils-010-will-break-sphinx-manpage [16:14] dholbach: when I revert last three translation commits and do "make html-es", that succeeds [16:15] does that mean that the patch works? [16:15] err [16:15] I thought there was some workaround in the translations... [16:16] I'm not quite sure - are you trying this with the sphinx upstream patch now? [16:18] dholbach: yes [16:18] and with the the last 3 changes applied it doesn't work? [16:19] is the crash report the same as in the bug? [16:20] with the last 3 changes applied it should always work (even without the patch), shouldn't it? [16:20] no, it crashes for me [16:21] will try now [16:21] it seems like the translated href names were a red herring, so not the actual problem :/ [16:21] succeeds [16:21] NICE [16:22] As the package now lives in Debian, we'll need jwilk to accept this patch [16:22] do you think you can upload the source package into your PPA maybe? [16:22] sphinx I mean [16:22] then I'll have a look at it, play around with it some more and stick it into our team ppa for the time being (until we can fix it in ubuntu itself) [16:23] dholbach: but I can, yes [16:23] mitya57, thanks so much for your work on this [16:23] no, we can't fix it in ubuntu itself: ^^ [16:23] in an SRU then [16:25] SRU is fine, yes [16:25] perfect [16:42] Hello there I am trying to make a meta package that installs like a top 20 list of things that I do after installing Ubuntu. but I would like to use debconf to make this happen. like for the meta package "Ubuntu restricted extras" I would like to have a debconf that says "Ubuntu restricted extras installs X,Y&Z . Would you like to install this package. " thus giving the end-user the option to select Yes or No . but I can not figure out [16:42] how to implant that in debconf. This is how I think that I will do it. set up stanzas for debconf and have then answer store then call them. maybe I should make "debian/ubuntu-restricted-extras.install" and if yes in debconf install. How would you do it? or have any tips ? [16:43] ^^ in debian policy manner that is ^^ [16:44] You can't do that in debconf, because apt/dpkg aren't re-entrant - a package can't conditionally install another package in its maintainer scripts. [16:45] bobweaver: I think sessioninstaller is closer to what you're looking for [16:45] You would have to write a script that does the installation, outside of the context of postinst scripts etc. [16:49] cjwatson, micahg thanks a ton ! cjwatson could script be to launch other app that was installed 1st. er... so like say I am writing app (qml) that is tutorial for new users (like about unity press super for this have super button symbol show up on screen.) could I use something like that but would it have to be in nm PreDepends sorry. I am just trying to make a program (qml) that takes and gives tour of Ubuntu desktop then on tour g [16:49] ives option to install packages. [16:50] bobweaver: sessioninstaller is what you're looking for [16:51] Oh cool this is dbus reader thanks again micahg [16:52] But just to re-explain my comments: while your package's postinst script is running, you can't install any other packages. [16:53] It doesn't matter whether you hide that in some other script. [16:53] because dpkg is already busy correct ? [16:53] It would have to be something the user ran separately (and, yes, probably involving sessioninstaller or something like it). [16:53] Correct. [16:53] And you don't want to use Pre-Depends. [16:54] If your program runs outside the context of installing the package containing it, then dpkg won't be busy and you can install stuff. [16:58] I see cjwatson I am going to read more into sessioninstaller but I think i am going to have to just write something into the app like declarative onfirsttimelaunch.cpp or something like that. Thanks again everybody :) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [17:41] Hi, anyone know what can i do with that error: dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0 needed by... (ELF format: 'elf32-i386'; RPATH: '')?? [18:19] is it normal that you get binary-nmu-debian-revision-in-source lintian warning with backport version numbers? [18:20] binary-nmu-debian-revision-in-source 0.13.1-1~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1 [18:21] sounds normal from the description [18:22] I didn't get it with ~code-name~ppa [18:22] what is confusing lintian here? [18:22] 12.10.1 [18:22] ah [18:22] thx [18:22] never seen a three part binnmu version [18:23] it sounds old [18:23] "(The +b form is the current standard; the three-part version number now obsolete.)" [18:28] micahg: has bug 1040756 been overlooked or is it just to invasive? [18:28] Launchpad bug 1040756 in Precise Backports "Please backport fftw3 3.3.2-3.1ubuntu1 (main) and fftw3-mpi from quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040756 [18:28] I didn't see it yet [18:29] the rdeps are scary, but there was only one issue in 6 month were a package used fftw3 wrong [18:29] (obscure science package) [18:32] jtaylor: none of the rdeps are marked as tested [18:32] micahg: its impossible to test so much [18:33] I was thinking that the lack of bugs might be enough :) [18:33] you can at least test a reasonable number of them [18:34] preferably the high-popcon ones [18:34] (but I am not a backporter) :P [18:34] I would expect high popcon ones to already have noticed something [18:35] different versions of the rdeps could also affect things [18:38] that should be pretty unlikely [18:39] the library hasn't really changed that much, just got support for new cpu instructions under the hood [18:39] but I'm fine with waiting a little longer [18:39] probably avx enabled cpu's are still to rare [18:40] jtaylor: I would like to see some build/install/run testing of at least the on-image packages [18:41] seems like most of this stuff would affect Ubuntu studio mostly [18:41] * micahg wonders if reverse-depends could learn about what's on an image [18:42] libmagickcore5 looks like a decent candidate [18:42] lets see what it uses it for [18:42] jtaylor: are you coming to UDS? [18:42] no [18:43] stupid work always shedules my trips to be at the same time as uds or debconf ... [18:43] and then the trip gets canceled to late for me to go ._. [18:45] micahg: that was the point of seeded-in-ubuntu [18:46] tumbleweed: that just tells you if it's on an image, not which binaries/sources are reverse dependencies on an image [18:55] oh, I seew hat you mean === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [18:56] tumbleweed: you have an avx cpu right? [18:57] jtaylor: yup, my laptop does [18:57] * tumbleweed probably shouldn't admit that, though [18:57] :) [18:58] there's useful testing to be done without an AVX CPU, surely [18:58] fftw has an extensive testsuite and really only does one thing [18:58] avx is the thing I can't cover :/ [18:59] but it would be enough if you have the time to just run this: convert -fft /usr/share/doc/texlive-base/pdftex/manual/samplepdf/pic.jpg tmp.jpg [18:59] or with any jpg [19:00] but only when you have the time, its really not urgent [19:01] jtaylor: what was the outcome of Bug #1069954 [19:01] Launchpad bug 1069954 in libav (Ubuntu) "Packaging issue : add alternative dependency libavutil-extra-51 to libavutil-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069954 [19:01] (not that bug specifically, but the issue as we discussed it before quantal's release) [19:01] * tumbleweed can probably do that [19:01] hm as I understood it wait until main universe distinction is gone [19:02] I forgot to fix the yorick-av ftbs ._.