[00:03] <David-A> meomic: no worries, we couldn't help you, so to see you'r good now, will make us sleep better tonight :)
[00:04] <meomic> : )
[00:42] <n2diy_> anyone using Mozilla's Thimble webpage maker? Curious how painful the install/setup might be?
[00:47] <n2diy_> when was 12.10 released, I missed the party! Anybody upgrade yet?
[00:48] <Raytray> I have
[00:48] <Raytray> And 18th?
[00:49] <n2diy_> Raytray, how'd the upgrade go?
[00:50] <Raytray> Fairly straight forward, a few short moments was spent fixing the panel so things expanded, and icon preferences, but nothing too painful.
[00:53] <n2diy_> Raytray, roger that, thanks.
[00:53] <Guest74514> Hello xubuntu users/ people not as dumb as me. I am trying to get adobe flash to work on chromium but I cannot get it to work. Sorry if I am being dumb, I am very new to xubuntu and operating systems outside of Windows in general. Thanks!
[00:53] <aoxi> wat
[00:54] <aoxi> flash comes with chromium
[00:54] <Raytray> Guest74514, what have you tried and is it showing 'missing plugin' box thing?
[00:56] <Guest74514> Apparently not. It is showing the yellow box on the top of the page saying that the plugin is missing. I tried to download it from adobe's website, but I got a bit confused by the file format. I assumed it would be an executable/runnable file, but it opens like a package.
[00:56] <Guest74514> Says: "adobe flash player required to display some elements on the webpage"
[00:57] <Raytray> sudo apt-get install flashplugin* ?
[00:58] <Guest74514> Trying that.
[01:01] <Guest74514> seems to be doing something. Thanks for the help!
[01:01] <Raytray> np
[01:06] <n2diy_> Guest74514, I have three boxes here running 12.04, and none of them play flash, or pandora, but they all worked using 10.04. I'm hoping 12.10 will fix things.
[01:13] <n2diy_> Why doesn't my update manager show the 12.10 upgrade? I ran the check twice.
[01:18] <David-A> n2diy_: in system>software sources>updates or synaptic>setting>repositories>updates you can select what release upgrades it should show: LTSs, all, or none
[01:25] <nyRednek> hello all
[01:25] <n2diy_> David-A, roger, upgrading the test box now.
[01:26] <nyRednek> anyone have a quick way to tell flashplugin-installer to look for the archive in a specified location?
[01:26] <nyRednek> or, does it look for the archive before attempting to download?
[01:36] <n2diy_> nyRednek, are you using Xubuntu to do the install, or going to the flash website?
[01:41] <David-A> nyRednek: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-installer" offers an option for you to download the tar.gz manually and if will work with it from there.
[01:42] <David-A> *it
[01:43] <n2diy_> David-A, I think the tar.gz package from the website might work better than the 10.04 .deb, but I haven't tested it. There is also a Firefox plugin or add on called flash aid, but that didn't work for me either.
[03:49] <WalterN> hey... does compiz need any special things for xubuntu?
[03:49] <WalterN> I'd like to give the cube a try
[03:57] <holstein> WalterN: i found, after several hours of piddling around, i was able to get compiz working with XFCE in 12.04
[03:58] <holstein> i felt like it was slow, and it took a lot of hacking to be useable... and i didnt really feel like it added to the experience
[03:58] <WalterN> what about 12.10?
[03:59] <WalterN> the video drivers feel much better in 12.10 than was available in 12.04
[03:59] <holstein> that being said, http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/ is how i did it
[03:59] <holstein> WalterN: i did not, and am not going to use compiz anymore
[03:59] <holstein> as i said, i dont feel like it was worth the hassle for me
[04:00] <holstein> the tricky one is the window decorator... i used a .deb from 11.10 to get emerald (iirc)
[04:01] <holstein> just use the compiz --replace command, and know how to get to tty and reboot or whatever if you get stuck
[04:05] <WalterN> holstein: http://mylittlefacewhen.com/f/1156/
[04:05] <WalterN> sounds annoying
[04:11] <zodiak> personally, I had a bitch of a time with compiz and conky under xfce
[04:11] <zodiak> so .. compiz got flung ;)
[04:11] <holstein> yeah... its not really what XFCE is about... i find by the time you get it all tricked out, its quite slow
[05:01] <slackerboy>  /j #xfce
[05:05] <slackerboy> i cannot make my cobnky transperant at startup
[05:05] <slackerboy> it shows a blue screen for a while, then after some wait it becomes transperant
[05:20] <suttiwit> i found a bug
[05:21] <suttiwit> i plug in 1 USB drive (ext2fs), It has 1 partition. It is 31 GB. I have 2 icons showing my USB on the desktop and the file manager. I try clicking in to both icons, they do the same.
[05:22] <suttiwit> i'll give you the picture
[05:24] <suttiwit> http://imgur.com/RFp1M <== as you can see on my desktop, it has 2 USB. While I only connect to one and i have only 1 partition on my USB.
[05:25] <suttiwit> 12.10
[05:25] <suttiwit> quantal quetzal
[05:26] <innot> I have the same problem
[05:41] <innot> One way to remove extra icons is right-click desktop and going to "desktop settings"->"Icons"-tab -> unchecking Removable Devices from "default icons". At least this worked for now.
[05:43]  * WalterN goes to try kdenlive
[05:54] <n2diy_> 12.10 upgrade completed, restarted, now i have a distorted login screen and no mouse.
[05:55] <ChesterX> hello everyone, i just finished setting up 12.10 and am encountering some problems with the applications menu
[05:55] <xubuntu868> hello?
[05:56] <ChesterX> i deleted the settings launcher from the main menu and now when trying to re-enable it it appears in the category "others". so far i haven t found a way other "taking it out" and putting it into the main menu, nor to change the order of the icons in the main menu. What should i be looking for? anything i could do via terminal?
[05:58] <n2diy_> logged in blind, and  xfce4-panel came up, but the rest of the screen is afu.
[05:59] <xubuntu868> I just wanted to know the size usb drive to install xubuntu 12.10 with Unetbootin
[06:00] <n2diy_> computer crashed, clock is stuck at 01:56:51, rebooting.
[06:01] <suttiwit> hi, thanks for advice, innot. but, will it show the icon for the usb i plugged in?
[06:01] <n2diy_> disregard, logged into the console now.
[06:02] <suttiwit> ?
[06:02] <n2diy_> ubuntuone-syncd has 94% of the cpu.
[06:03] <suttiwit> n2diy_, ALT+PrtScr R,E,I,S,U,B.
[06:04] <n2diy_> suttiwit, gonna let her cook for now.
[06:04] <suttiwit> huh?
[06:07] <n2diy_> suttiwit, she's busy, let her do her stuff.
[06:07] <suttiwit> uh.. nvm
[06:07] <n2diy_> huh?
[06:08] <suttiwit> by "her" you mean a person?
[06:09] <n2diy_> suttiwit, my test box, the computer. restarted, and the xfce window is still afu, gonna log in blind again.
[06:10] <suttiwit> ..., i thought you mean your girlfriend :P Never mind, then.
[06:11] <n2diy_> suttiwit, no, she is on an other channel ;)
[06:12] <n2diy_> what's nvm mean?
[06:12] <suttiwit> n2diy_, nvm = never mind.
[06:12] <suttiwit> slang
[06:12] <n2diy_> 10-4
[06:15] <suttiwit> 1337?
[06:17] <n2diy_> so... now I'm logged into my test box with the 12.10 upgrade. The bottom 1/8th of the screen is normal, but the top 7/8th is messed up, and I have now mouse? Can't do anything in Xwindow, but I can get to a CLI console, help!?
[06:17] <n2diy_> no mouse.
[06:18] <suttiwit> fresh install
[06:18] <suttiwit> now
[06:21] <n2diy_> suttiwit, I just upgraded the box from 12.04 to 12.10, isn't that fresh enough? Just did killall xfce4-panel, and restarted it, no change. I think I need to reconfigure X?
[06:21] <suttiwit> don't be angry with me.
[06:21] <suttiwit> :(
[06:22] <suttiwit> n2diy_, burn iso for 12.10 and reinstall.
[06:22] <suttiwit> upgrade = not so fresh. reinstall = fresh.
[06:25] <n2diy_> suttiwit, roger that, that's a pita, and it's late. I'd rather catch some Orionids.
[06:26] <WalterN> hmm
[06:27] <WalterN> audacity does not have any menus?
[06:27] <n2diy_> suttiwit, there is a way to reconfigure X with apt-get, but I can't recall it now?
[06:32] <sdollins> Do you know why there is a huge difference in version number between alacarte on Precise and Quantal?
[06:33] <sdollins> Precise: 0.13.2-2ubuntu4, Quantal: 3.5.5-0ubuntu1
[06:33] <ChesterX> hello, i would like to add a custom key combination to minimize all windows "windows key + D". I found the settings but I am not sure how I have to define the value in order for it to work. Any suggestions?
[06:34] <n2diy_> how do I start or restart my X window manager, xfwm?
[06:34] <baizon> n2diy_: log out
[06:34] <baizon> would be the best sollution
[06:35] <baizon> ChesterX: press super, then D ?
[06:35] <n2diy_> xfwm4 "cannot open display"?
[06:35] <baizon> n2diy_: you have to restart everything, thats why log out and back in
[06:36] <n2diy_> baizon, ok.
[06:37] <n2diy_> baizon, shutdown -h now in progress.
[06:38] <baizon> i ment logging out, not restarting the whole system, but this will do it too :)
[06:39] <ChesterX> baizon, didn t work
[06:40] <n2diy_> baizon, no change, X log in still afu.
[06:40] <baizon> but whats the problem?
[06:40] <baizon> ChesterX: is the key kombination not already set?
[06:41] <baizon> please check it
[06:41] <baizon> n2diy_: afu?
[06:42] <n2diy_> baizon, all fouled up.
[06:42] <baizon> n2diy_: driver problem?
[06:43] <baizon> which one are you using?
[06:43] <ChesterX> i don t think so
[06:43] <n2diy_> baizon, maybe, it worked in 12.04, before I upgraded to 12.10
[06:44] <baizon> n2diy_: are you usnig the open-source or the proprietary?
[06:45] <n2diy_> baizon, whatever Xubuntu installed? I just went into menu>system>update manager, and told it to upgrade to 12.10.h
[06:46] <baizon> n2diy_: try to install the proprietary drivers
[06:46] <sdollins> If you have issues with editing the menu, you can downgrade alacarte and it works.
[06:46] <baizon> go to software sources and additionaly drivers
[06:46] <n2diy_> 12.10 not 12.10h
[06:47] <n2diy_> baizon, I can't, my mouse isn't functioning now!?
[06:47] <baizon> hmm
[06:48] <baizon> sudo apt-get install fglrx
[06:48] <baizon> that will do it too
[06:48] <n2diy_> baizon, I can get to a console terminal, but how can I do it with apt-get, or whatever?
[06:48] <n2diy_> ok
[06:49] <baizon> wait a sec
[06:49] <baizon> you got graphics problem or mouse problems?
[06:49] <baizon> problems*
[06:49] <n2diy_> baizon, both
[06:49] <baizon> a ok
[06:50] <n2diy_> baizon, you still want my to install fglrx?
[06:50] <baizon> yes please
[06:50] <n2diy_> 10-4
[06:51] <n2diy_> cooking
[06:52] <n2diy_> eta 5 minutes
[06:55] <nonuby> reading 12.10 is using 3.5 kernel, did they backport the further bufferbloat improvements from 3.6?
[06:58] <baizon> nonuby: i dont think so
[06:58] <baizon> nonuby: but you can use the default 3.6 kernel from: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[06:58] <nonuby> baizon, thanks!
[06:59] <nonuby> is there any on demand tv (paid or otherwise) that is compatible with Ubuntu. seems netflix, lovefilm and amazon are out the question
[07:00] <nonuby> i would of thought some announcements/partners be public by now especially given the hints around ubuntu tv
[07:01] <n2diy_> cooking is done, rebooting.
[07:23] <n2diy_> baizon, fglrx  was installed, no change.
[07:24] <baizon> well can't help anymore, sorry. Have to go... class, gl with your problem
[07:26] <n2diy_> baizon, roger that, thanks for trying, 73
[07:33] <kexwork> hey does anyone know why I cannot seem to get menu icons to show?
[07:34] <kexwork> despite being turned on
[07:52] <divisionmd> Hello
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> !hi
[08:58] <Belserusk> Hi. I uninstalled thunar in Xfce virtualbox. Now I cannot login into it. How can I rescue it from recovery console? I am now in recov con.
[08:59] <well_laid_lawn> Belserusk: were other applications removed too when you removed thunar ?
[09:00] <Yotson> ah, had something along the same line yesterday. was fixed here by reinstalling the xfce4-desktop (spelling?) meta package. which also pulls in thunar.
[09:00] <well_laid_lawn> removing just thunar won't stop a login - unless other apps went too
[09:17] <Belserusk> well_laid_lawn, Yotson
[09:17] <Belserusk> I cannot install anything in RC.
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> what's RC ?
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> release candidate ?
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:19] <Belserusk> recov cons
[09:20] <Belserusk> well_laid_lawn, I am using Linux Mint 13 Xfce.
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> Belserusk: best to try a mint channel then
[09:21] <lestus> hey everyone
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know about it
[09:21] <Guest82103> hello is there somewhere a .rar xubuntu to download?
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> ! hi > lestus
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[09:22] <Belserusk> well_laid_lawn, But it is an Xfce problem. Not solely a Mint or Xubuntu problem.
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> Belserusk: this channel is for xubuntu - try #xfce or #mint
[09:23] <Belserusk> well_laid_lawn, fair enough
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> Guest82103: why do you want a rar?
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> !xubuntu
[09:24] <lestus> !Xubuntu-Channels
[09:24] <Guest82103> huuumm!
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> Guest82103: the operating system comes as an iso
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> !iso
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> Guest82103: see this website - http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[09:27] <Guest82103> well_laid_lawn , i ve learned something , i ll take a look
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> luck :)
[09:28] <Guest82103> what about plop! is this a right channel to talk about it or should i try hardware channel?
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know what plop is
[09:30] <well_laid_lawn> !info plop
[09:30] <lestus> wow thats nice, the bot can do a package check even
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> she's a clever bot
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[09:32] <Guest82103> and what is lubuntu?
[09:32] <lestus> haha nice
[09:32] <lestus> its got lxde
[09:32] <lestus> !lubuntu
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> it uses openbox as the window manager iirc
[09:33] <Guest82103> which is the lightest lubuntu or xubuntu?
[09:34] <lestus> umm
[09:34] <well_laid_lawn> I'd say lubuntu - but it can take a little more setting up afaik
[09:34] <lestus> yea
[09:34] <lestus> what he said
[09:34] <lestus> i prefer xubuntu
[09:35] <Guest82103> do both have same packages than ubuntu?
[09:35] <lestus> still feels light but well configured imo out of the box
[09:35] <well_laid_lawn> they all use the same repos
[09:35] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[09:37] <well_laid_lawn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[09:37] <well_laid_lawn> prob has some info on it
[09:47] <lestus> hey how do you reply to people?
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[09:48] <lestus> and then?
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> lest + <tab> makes lestus
[09:48] <lestus> well_laid_lawn, AH NEVER MIND
[09:48] <lestus> woops
[09:48] <lestus> caps
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> that's what you meant ?
[09:48] <lestus> well_laid_lawn, yea
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[09:49] <lestus> sweet
[09:49] <lestus> check this
[09:50] <lestus> i went and bought a 64Gb, 8chan fast usb stick, and running a full installation of xubuntu on it directly booting from it
[09:51] <lestus> its multichannel so hopefully the memory chips won't die for a while
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> it runs quick? I thought using a mem stick would have speed advantages
[09:52] <lestus> very quick
[09:52] <lestus> but
[09:52] <lestus> you have to get one that has at least 110Mb/s write speed and multichann
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> I just use them for sneaker net
[09:53] <lestus> otherwise you try and copy files to it, while doing anything else it will halt the system to a crawl
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> ahh ok
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> makes sense
[09:53] <lestus> sneaker net?
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> pull out usb - walk it to other comp while wearing sneakers
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> sneaker net
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> when the lan is down
[09:54] <lestus> LOL
[09:54] <lestus> yea well
[09:54] <lestus> hahaha
[09:54] <lestus> that's what i do
[09:55] <lestus> but because of decent capacity i hold a fair bit of stuff on it also
[09:55] <lestus> i LOVE Blackbird
[09:55] <lestus> finally
[09:59] <GuessWho> hello everybody, i am trying to access a shared drive that is present in my work place's network. What do I need to install/enable to see/access it from ubuntu?
[09:59] <well_laid_lawn> !cifs
[09:59] <well_laid_lawn> !samba
[10:00] <Kagee> Do you want a permanent mount or just to open it quick? Open the file manager, press Ctrl+L and write smb://servername for å quick connection
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> GuessWho: ^^
[10:01] <GuessWho> Kagee, the servername being the ip in this case?
[10:01] <Kagee> you can use either ip or name, yes.
[10:02] <Kagee> It depends on the server configuration how well it works
[10:09] <xubuntu326> hi!
[10:11] <xubuntu326> who are the best? XUBUNTU 12,10 or LINUX MINT 13 XFCE ?????... Thanks in advance.
[10:12] <TheSheep> !best | xubuntu326
[10:13] <xubuntu326> thanks!!
[10:13] <xubuntu326> i like Xubuntu!!
[10:14] <xubuntu326> but Linux Mint have good view
[10:59] <xuserr> hi
[11:01] <divisionmd> Helo
[11:02] <divisionmd> Anyone got time to answer some xubuntu questions?
[11:04] <xuserr> To make Xubuntu 12.10 fit on a CD (unlike Ubuntu), quite a few default applications were removed. In Xubuntu 12.10, you'll no longer find Synaptic Package Manager, GIMP or Startup Disk Creator installed by default. There are also less games: only Mines and Sudoku are available on the CD.
[11:04] <xuserr> so xubuntu 12.10 will no longer have synaptic , gimp... installed by default?
[11:05] <koegs> correct
[11:06] <ochosi> divisionmd: just ask your question, if someone has time, they'll reply
[11:08] <smellysally> am I blind or is there no option for disabling mirroring in xfce display settings? Oo
[11:09] <divisionmd> anyone with Ubuntu/Xubuntu skills got time for some questions?
[11:11] <foobArrr> @xubuntu cd: what is that important and takes that much space?
[11:13] <foobArrr> smellysally: you can use arandr (gui) or xrandr (terminal) for that
[11:42] <xuserr> when cai i find a list with apps. instaled by default in cubuntu 12.10?
[11:42] <xuserr> can*
[11:43] <xuserr> xubuntu*
[11:45] <xubuntu962> Hello all
[11:45] <uzver> hi
[11:46] <xubuntu962> По русски можно болтать? =)
[11:46] <uzver> попытайся:)
[11:46] <xubuntu962> Как пробросить com порты в rdp?
[11:47] <knome> !ru | xubuntu962, uzver
[11:47] <uzver> yeah
[11:47] <xubuntu962> knome: thx
[11:48] <knome> no problem
[11:51] <uzver> xuserr, for x86_64 iso http://goo.gl/jSABj and for 32bit iso http://goo.gl/N894A
[11:51] <xuserr> thanks
[11:52] <Wizard> Hi.
[11:53] <Wizard> Is xubuntu 12.10 available for PPC?
[11:53] <TheSheep> !ppc
[11:53] <Wizard> Community or not, 12.04 works :)
[11:54] <TheSheep> Wizard: also try #ubuntu-ppc
[12:00] <Wizard> I asked.
[12:05] <uxi> hi all, did they fix the issue with double device icons on desktop?
[12:09] <lestus> uxi, i've got that too
[12:10] <lestus> uxi, heck even a floppy drive has appeared twice even though i don't have a floppy drive
[12:10] <uxi> lestus, same here
[12:11] <uxi> i'm trying different distros... so i'll move on; too bad since it looked kinda cool
[12:15] <lestus> uxi, ah fair nuf, well up to you, if its a deal breaker, i personally dont think its a big deal and i really like the xubuntu compared to other distros
[12:17] <uxi> lestus, yea well i just tried a few distros, i may come back after i see the others :)
[12:18] <lestus> uxi, which others are you going to try?
[12:19] <pod> I have disabled all drive ions on the desktop. Before that i had all hard drive partitions (from windows) on the desktop
[12:19] <uxi> lestus, i tried crunchbang, ubuntu, xubuntu, mandriva; i'm going to check mageia, lubuntu, fedora... and i'll check distrowatch :)
[12:20] <uxi> ah, i tried also mint
[12:24] <uxi> pod, that could be a solution, but i won't be able to access usb sticks from the desktop (right click -> remove/eject)
[12:25] <Wizard> uxi: They should be visible in Thunar too.
[12:26] <pod> Yeah, thats a problem. I would like to have removable drives on the desktop but somehow my windows partitions shows up as removable drives too... Perhaps if i automount them at startup into a folder somewhere?
[12:27] <uxi> pod, idk, i hope they fix this thing soon
[12:27] <Wizard> I don't have any partitions besides separate /home.
[12:28] <knome> pod, at least anything that is in fstab is not listed as a removable device. i add partitions i simply want to hide there with the option noauto (not mounting on boot)
[12:29] <pod> ok! so that would be a fix then. Thanks!
[12:31] <knome> np
[12:33] <lestus> so umm installed NetBeans, but it's not running properly, keeps trying to load the project and hangs
[15:10] <rhin0> anyone know how to map key to command in xubuntu 10.04
[15:10] <xubuntu802> ou
[15:10] <rhin0> i see "application shortcuts" but it only allows me to put in command - wheres keycode
[15:10] <xubuntu802> good xubuntu 12.10
[15:11] <holstein> rhin0: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/90513/how-do-i-change-my-keyboard-shortcuts-in-xubuntu
[15:12] <rhin0> this is horrible
[15:13] <rhin0> all i want to do is put a command onto a key ...... thats not even for 10.04
[15:13] <rhin0> i run 10.04
[15:14] <holstein> rhin0: so, those keyboard settings are not found in 10.04? correct? do you see other keyboard settings.. i seem to remember it being under "keyboard"
[15:14] <TheSheep> rhin0: it works the same way
[15:14] <holstein> rhin0: i was thinking most things havent changed much.. just let me and the other voluteers know how that works for you and we'll go from there
[15:14] <TheSheep> rhin0: you enter the command, then it asks you to press the key
[15:15] <TheSheep> rhin0: ah, it's the worng dialog, go to settings->keyboard->shortcuts
[15:15] <TheSheep> rhin0: second tab
[15:15] <rhin0> right im in application short cuts
[15:15] <TheSheep> "application shortcuts" actually
[15:15] <rhin0> i put in "add" -- it askse me for command (fair enough)
[15:16] <rhin0> then thats it -- nothing
[15:16] <TheSheep> rhin0: scroll down, there is a "+ Add" button there
[15:16] <rhin0> i've presse3d it
[15:16] <rhin0> it asks for command
[15:16] <rhin0> accepts command
[15:16] <rhin0> nothing
[15:16] <rhin0> displays c0mmand - key = blank
[15:17] <TheSheep> rhin0: click on the 'shortcut' column in the table and you can set it again
[15:17] <TheSheep> rhin0: double-click, sorry
[15:17] <rhin0> http://oi46.tinypic.com/2qsyo2w.jpg
[15:17] <TheSheep> rhin0: yeah, press OK
[15:18] <rhin0> click on short cut on the bar?
[15:18] <rhin0> i press ok there and nothing
[15:18] <holstein> i usually test the commands in the terminal as well
[15:18] <TheSheep> rhin0: after you press ok, it will ask you to press the key
[15:18] <rhin0> non intuitive
[15:18] <rhin0> i think i see that
[15:18] <rhin0> it doesn't say "press key"
[15:19] <TheSheep> I can't remember what it said exactly in 10.4
[15:19] <rhin0> well im there
[15:19] <rhin0> thanks
[15:19] <rhin0> may as well use the crap windows key for something
[15:19] <TheSheep> rhin0: note that you probably want to start a terminal with python in it, not just python
[15:19] <rhin0> they don't even use it
[15:19] <rhin0> well I just chose that for whatever
[15:20] <rhin0> to test
[15:20] <rhin0> i run my app
[15:20] <TheSheep> I see, ok
[15:20] <rhin0> ta.
[15:20] <holstein> they?... super+r runs commands in windows, or it used to... you can ask in the windows channels
[15:20] <rhin0> was going to use function keys but they're small on this laptop keybaord
[15:20] <rhin0> if i had to run windows i wouldn't run a compter
[15:21] <holstein> im not saying you should, or shouldnt, just that the super key is mapped to something in windows
[15:22] <rhin0> its still not RUNNING my command though
[15:23] <TheSheep> rhin0: super by itself does nothing, it's a modifier key
[15:23] <TheSheep> rhin0: like shift or ctrl
[15:23] <rhin0> so it won't run a command from the command shell?
[15:23] <holstein> rhin0: i remember it being a little tricky the first time i did it.. you might want to try something simpler.. soemthing that doesnt open in a temrinal... try mapping a terminal to super+t for examply
[15:23] <holstein> example*
[15:23] <rhin0> ok
[15:25] <G__81> i am running 12.10 and when i do Alt+ F2 i see it takes lot of time to start. I need this shortcut desperately to work. Can someone help me
[15:26] <holstein> G__81: i use kupfer.. its gnome-do like. theres synapse.. will a work around like that do? do you have realistic expectations of the hardware?
[15:27] <rhin0> i map to ctrl-a -- my command
[15:27] <rhin0> nothing when i press it
[15:28] <holstein> rhin0: what command? have you tried super+t?
[15:28] <holstein> maybe super+t to "xfce4-terminal"
[15:28] <rhin0> ah
[15:28] <rhin0> shell out
[15:28] <rhin0> then run the thing
[15:29] <holstein> rhin0: this is more to see that you can get *any* keyboard mapping to work..
[15:30] <rhin0> im about to give up
[15:30] <rhin0> make applet
[15:30] <rhin0> panel
[15:31] <holstein> rhin0: do what works... super+t doesnt work? doesnt open a terminal?
[15:31] <rhin0> no
[15:32] <holstein> rhin0: then its either that you dont have xfce4-terminal installed, or you are not implementing the shortcut properly, or your harware is not supporting them somehow
[15:35] <rhin0> i'll do without
[15:36] <holstein> kupfer might be a nice option for you as well... or synapse
[15:37] <rhin0> why if i run an applet it an't even see the files
[15:38] <rhin0> ok working directory
[15:38] <rhin0> im there - at least I got an applet
[15:38] <holstein> rhin0: what applet? what files? whe you say "it", you mean the operating system? or you cant physically see them?
[15:38] <rhin0> that'll do
[16:03] <G__81> sorry got disconnected
[16:04] <holstein> 11:26 < holstein> G__81: i use kupfer.. its gnome-do like. theres synapse.. will a work around like that do? do you have  realistic expectations of the hardware?
[16:04] <G__81> can someone give me some suggestions or alternatives to my problem ?
[16:05] <holstein> G__81: are you reading my post above?
[16:06] <G__81> sorry just read it but i am not comfortable with kupfer
[16:07] <uzver> synapse keystroke launcher is awesome:)
[16:07] <holstein> or anything like it? not synapse? nor gnome-do? what hardware are you using xubntu on?
[16:08] <holstein> alt+f2 is press hold a key,, hit another and type a command... kupfer and synapse are the same in that way
[16:09] <holstein> G__81: kupfer is not KDE-upfer... it doesnt pull in any KDE libs, if that is your hangup...
[16:27] <holstein> G__81: not sure what all you missed, but kupfer is not a KDE app. it doesnt pull in a bunch of KDE stuff if that is your concern
[16:31] <G__81> holstein, i tried running it and i see an Alt+Tab kind of a window etc all coming up. xfrun4 is perfect but it does not work :(
[16:31] <G__81> it works fine in fedora
[16:31] <G__81> what i am curious is anyone else facing the same problem as what i am facing
[16:31] <G__81> coz i am using xubuntu 12.10 in 2 machines and in both i see the same problem one machine being 32 bit and the other 64 bit
[16:31] <holstein> G__81: its just slow? what version of fedora? is it a simlar kernel? is it running xfce as well?
[16:32] <holstein> G__81: i suggest kupfer and synpase becaues with alt+f2, you hit 2 keys and type.. same with kupfer
[16:32] <holstein> if it opens faster, thats a way to hit 2 keys and type commands faster
[16:33] <Troyka> Hi. How to uninstall whifi driver in xubuntu? I cant find any driver manager. Th wi-fi is disabled so I cant download any sofware.
[16:33] <holstein> what is making your alt+f2 slow? i dont know.. i would first make a new user and test there
[16:33] <holstein> G__81: if the issue is better or gone as the new user, then you know it is an issue with something you are configuring
[16:34] <holstein> Troyka: a broadcom chip? you want to remove the driver? do you see it in the software sources menu under the addition software tab?
[16:35] <Troyka> yes broadcom, no I dont see anything
[16:35] <holstein> !broadcom
[16:35] <holstein> you can see how to add the driver with no internet access.. you can remove whatever package you istalled, if thats the case
[16:37] <Troyka> the point is that I didnt install anything, I have the broadcom driver, but I dont know how to uninstall the existing one...
[16:37] <holstein> i would do https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Identifying_Your_Card.2BAC8-Driver
[16:37] <G__81> holstein, i have not configured anything i just installed xubuntu-desktop. In fedora 17 it does run xfce 4.10
[16:37] <holstein> Troyka: if you didnt install one, there is not one
[16:37] <holstein> unless you have the one that is supported by the open driver.. then you would want to blacklist.. i did that with mine
[16:39] <Troyka> I have the broadcom b43 wi-fi, I dont know if it suported, The wi-fi managed to find a couple of nets exept mine. So do I need to uninstall anything before installin my broadcom driver?
[16:40] <holstein> Troyka: you can blacklist, depending on what card you have.. if its seeing wifi access points, you might want to do a little more research before moving on
[16:41] <holstein> !broadcom | Troyka
[16:41] <holstein> thats waht i refered to ^^ and i installed and used that driver.. the b43 ones
[16:41] <holstein> i blacklisted my opensoure one that was not working great with my device
[16:42] <holstein> i02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[16:42] <Troyka> well,, im confused, thank you. I gess I have to google how to blacklist a device
[16:43] <holstein> Troyka: i'll get you the guide i used
[16:44] <holstein> Troyka: you will want to see what card you have.. i have the bcm4313, and im assuming this is relevant for you
[16:45] <holstein> Troyka: you can open a terminal as referenced in the above link and use the lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4 command to identify the card
[16:45] <recon_lap> just add the driver module name to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf i think
[16:46] <holstein> at https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn#TOC-Notes you'll see how i "switched drivers" with my harware, which may work for you... feel free and share your device model #
[16:46] <Troyka> ok, thank you, have to reboot to try this,
[16:47] <holstein> i would want to have the b43 driver on a usb stick.. referenced at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43_-_No_Internet_access
[16:48] <recon_lap> holstein: you see the link i have for the 1015pn ? https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[16:57] <_Tristan> hello. I have ubuntu 12.04 and I recently installed the xubuntu-desktop package, but now that 12.10 has come out I don't know how to upgrade. How can I do that without downloading unnecessary ubuntu packages (unity etc)?
[16:58] <holstein> _Tristan: the current setup you have should get upgraded.... it'll be easy enough to switch back to xubntu if not... i would download the live 12.10 version anyway just to be sure the hardare support is there
[16:58] <holstein> 12.04 s the lts as well.. you might rather stay there?
[17:05] <recon_lap> _Tristan: I think it's best to wait about 4 weeks after any release before upgrading to allow the bugs to get ironed out. unless you like fixing things?
[17:06] <baizon> any news on the slow shutdown (network manager blocking) bug?
[17:06] <_Tristan> right, I do generally give it a few weeks. Still, I didn't get an update notification like I used to in gnome or unity, so I'm not sure how to upgrade when the time comes...?
[17:06] <baizon> _Tristan: run update-manager -d
[17:07] <_Tristan> baizon: thanks, that was strangely simple...
[17:07] <recon_lap> _Tristan: you probably on a LTS release, they don't prompt for automatic upgrades
[17:07] <holstein> you can change that in the software sources area
[17:07] <holstein> change from lts releases to all releases
[17:08] <holstein> the inbetween development releases
[17:08] <_Tristan> come to think of it, I'd disabled the updater because it was annoying me and I prefer to do it via terminal... my bad.
[17:17] <G__81> holstein, this is what i have been facing and its in LP https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-appfinder/+bug/1048805
[17:20] <holstein> G__81: and the workaround?
[17:21] <G__81> holstein, xfrun4 --disable-server
[17:24] <holstein> G__81: correct.. that workaround... how did it work for you? faster? as expected?
[17:25] <holstein> i need to run, but i would just map that to a shortcut key combo and try it for a while, and stay connected to that bug report
[17:26] <morf> hi, quick question... it seems to me my keyring password is changing itself... is there some bug you maybe heard about?
[17:28] <baizon> morf: what do you mean by changing?
[17:29] <morf> baizon: well it's simple i delete the keyring passwords (trough seahorse)... recreate it... after few days the password just don't work anymore (it so stupid password, it's not possible to forget it)
[17:30] <baizon> ou well sorry dont know anything about it :)
[17:30] <morf> man... ;)
[17:36] <xubuntu576> so, it's a support chat right?
[17:36] <uzver> !help
[17:38] <xubuntu576> I tried various Linux versions but all get an error of not being able to create the ext4 file system. I can't figure out why. Any help apreciated.
[17:39] <uzver> xubuntu576, do u have errors or what?
[17:39] <xubuntu576> it says it can1t create the file system and the install terminates
[17:40] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: can you pasetbin  you HDD;s partition table?
[17:41] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: are you using the automated install?
[17:42] <uzver> xubuntu576, u can try gparted from same livecd to manage partitions, before run installer
[17:42] <martian> I wonder if any Google Chrome users could tell me if they are also experiencing some clunkyness like this with the bookmark menu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlEZW4r9W_Y
[17:43] <xubuntu576> i think so i go to install xubuntu then /dev/sda1 317.... Mb
[17:43] <uzver> xubuntu576, and maybe u'll have some useful error:)
[17:44] <tekkkkkjj> Istalling Xubuntu for first time! :)
[17:45] <xubuntu576> how do i acces the gparted?
[17:45] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: before you go use gparted, are you backup? it there data on that machine you want to keep?
[17:46] <xubuntu576> no i wish to delete verything currently there is no OS on the machine
[17:46] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: have you tried using the automated install and select use entire hard drive?
[17:47] <uzver> martian, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exR78w8aNWU
[17:47] <xubuntu576> yes, that is when the file system error came
[17:47] <uzver> martian, looks fine
[17:47] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: ok, get gparted running and examine that HDD
[17:48] <uzver> martian, xubuntu 12.10 google-chrome 22.0.1229.94
[17:49] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: I'm actually thinking there is a hardware problem with the HDD, but thats a bit of a guess
[17:50] <xubuntu576> i considered it as a posibility um, trying to figure out how to run gparted
[17:51] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: do you have a live usb?
[17:52] <uzver> xubuntu576, menu>system>gparted (liveCD)
[17:53] <recon_lap> tekkkkkjj: hope it's going well
[17:53] <aziz> I just restarted Xubuntu with session saving turned on, and now all windows have no borders and no title bar. they also don't appear in the task list
[17:53] <aziz> what gives??
[17:54] <recon_lap> aziz: dont know, just know that session saving did not work on 12.04
[17:54] <xubuntu576> thanks so far people i am taking a screenshot now one moment
[17:55] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: how much ram on the machine you installing to?
[17:56] <aziz> gah :(
[17:56] <xubuntu576> postimage.org/image/o1uytggoh
[17:56] <marcpv> hi, is it ok to upgrade now or I better wait a few?
[17:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: well, there is that large unknown partition sda1 , I'd start by deleting all partitions.
[18:00] <xubuntu576> recon_lap> it allowed me to delete sda1 the other 2 has a key icon and can't be deleted
[18:00] <Kagee> marcpv: i upgraded yesterday without finding any problems
[18:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: try delete the sda5 first
[18:01] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: sorry , that is the current partition
[18:01] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: the one you using right now :)
[18:01] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: so forget sda2
[18:01] <xubuntu576> okay we deleted all of them im running the os from the CD
[18:03] <uzver> xubuntu576,  ur drive hdd or ssd ?
[18:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: just to check, create a small 20gb partition on sda1 and format it, if that goes ok delete it, then see if the automated install will work
[18:07] <xubuntu576> i think its hdd but not sure thanks everyone recon_lap it works i try to install
[18:07] <marcpv> thanks Kagee! ok!
[18:08] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: that partition might have been confusing the installer, another possibility is that you got a bugged install disk
[18:09] <xubuntu576> i recieved the same error; i tried many different install disks and linuxes it must be a hardver problem then?
[18:11] <martian> uzver: thanks for that! I wanted to see if it was me or not before going further with it. How strange then; I did that test in a clean chrome profile :-/
[18:11] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: you hardware seems to be working , thats why I got you to format a partition. lets try a advanced install
[18:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: can you do that and stay online here so you can ask for help if you not sure of something
[18:13] <xubuntu576> how to do the advanced, is it under the "something else" option?
[18:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: just means we will manually create our partitions so we can see whats going wrong
[18:13] <uzver> martian, i see this bug for the first time
[18:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: yes, it's under something else option
[18:14] <xubuntu576> okay done there's a sda1 and a swap
[18:15] <uzver> new partition table
[18:15] <uzver> )
[18:15] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: ok, is the swap partition on sda1?
[18:16] <xubuntu576>  its under a dev/sda5
[18:17] <uzver> its better to create new partition table and swap root and home partitions
[18:17] <uzver> *IMHO
[18:17] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: ok, ingnore it. create 2 partition on sda1 , a partition that is 1.5 times the ram on this system , and a 200gb partition
[18:20] <recon_lap> set the some one ( ram x 1.5) to be you swap space, set the 200gb one to /
[18:20] <recon_lap> some/small*
[18:22] <xubuntu576> i've got 3000 gb total so  might have listed it wrongly there's a  'dev/sda' under it a 'dev/sda1' and the 'dev/sda5' so i should click new patrition table?
[18:23] <xubuntu576> i can only do it under dev/sda
[18:23] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: 3000gb? like 3T
[18:23] <xubuntu576> 317998 MB sorry
[18:25] <recon_lap> xubuntu576:  ok, so make a 4.5 gb partition, and format/mount point as swap
[18:25] <Diego> hello all, Mathias do you remember me?
[18:25] <Diego> I was going to try to install xubuntu
[18:26] <xubuntu576> got the swap
[18:27] <Diego> I have problems with the usb install because a pair of usb installers didn't have the xubuntu 12.10installers
[18:27] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: ok, we going to make you main drive 200gb, so create a 200gb partition , set it's mount point as / , and format it to whatever format you like
[18:27] <Diego> they have upto version 12.4
[18:27] <Diego> even ubuntu 12.3
[18:27] <Diego> even ubuntu 12.4 sory
[18:27] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: ext4 is want i go with
[18:28] <Diego> but no 12.10 :p
[18:28] <xubuntu963> Do i have to install antivirus software for xububuntu?
[18:28] <recon_lap> want/what*
[18:28] <Diego> but I found the correct info at ubuntulive or something like that
[18:29] <recon_lap> xubuntu963: no, still not needed :)
[18:29] <uzver> xubuntu963, no
[18:29] <xubuntu576> ok i created it
[18:29] <xubuntu963> Why don't I need it?
[18:29] <Diego> speaking of that recon_lap is bad to install on xt2 ?
[18:29] <Diego> I think I've chosen that one
[18:30] <recon_lap> xubuntu576: ok, continue on with the install, just accept all the default if it asks you questions
[18:31] <Diego> difference with xt4 system is about power off and recovery ?
[18:32] <xubuntu963> Why don't I need antivirus software?
[18:32] <recon_lap> Diego: I'm just conservative :) don't have a answer to your question
[18:32] <Diego> that's ok, I think I can find that one
[18:32] <Diego> googling
[18:33] <Diego> and as the matters of facts I have just already installed xubuntu 12.10 successfuly
[18:33] <recon_lap> xubuntu963: because linux based OS's are quite hard to infect, so most viruses are targeted at windows, which is easy to infect
[18:33] <Diego> got 3 updates so far only
[18:34] <Diego> but I saw firewall on puppy linux, is that necessary?
 thank you very much it is working now!
[18:35] <xubuntu963> Thanks for answer recon_lap
[18:35] <recon_lap> xubuntu576:  glad to hear it, you got a 100gb spare on your hdd if you ever need more space
[18:36] <Diego> I have a question regarding to the first steps
[18:36] <Diego> onece xubuntu is installed
[18:36] <xubuntu576> okay :) logging out good luck everyone!
[18:36] <Diego> It asked me if I wanted to run with xfdef or some
[18:36] <Diego> or xubuntu
[18:36] <Diego> what is the difference ?
[18:37] <xubuntu090> Hi all.  Does anyone have any ideas about fixing a problem connecting to secured (wpa +passkey) networks in xubuntu 12.04?  I'm using an EeePC netbook (1gb ram, 4gb ssd, Atheros wifi).  Wifi's enabled and working right now on an unsecured network.  When I secure the network with WPA Passkey like usual, the nm applet in the top panel sees it and has a little lock next to it.  But when I try to sign on, xubuntu asks for system passw
[18:37] <xubuntu090> I did a minimum install, and then apt-get xfce and other stuff (i don
[18:38] <recon_lap> Diego: firewall may not be necessary, but no harm having one, while not having one could be harmful.
[18:38] <genii-around> xubuntu090: Do you have wpa_supplicant installed?
[18:39] <xubuntu090> let me check..
[18:40] <xubuntu090> don
[18:41] <xubuntu090> 't think so.. my synaptic "all" list goes from wnorwegian to wonim
[18:41] <xubuntu090> wodim that is
[18:41] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: have you added the password for the network to the network connection ?
[18:42] <xubuntu090> oh wait sorry, no i do.
[18:42] <xubuntu090> p is after o lol
[18:42] <xubuntu090> yes i do, it'
[18:42] <xubuntu090> s
[18:42] <xubuntu090> my network
[18:44] <xubuntu090> when i click on it from the applet, the system asks me for my system password, but not the network password.  Then the notification comes up that says, "You are disconnected"
[18:44] <xubuntu090> I tried edit connections, wireless tab, and putting the password manually in there.. no dice
[18:45] <xubuntu090> it lets me put the password in, but it doesn't let me on the network.
[18:45] <holstein> can you join any network?
[18:45] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: and why not? thats where it should go
[18:46] <xubuntu090> yeah i unsecured my network on the router temporarily, and that's what im on now.
[18:46] <xubuntu090> recon: i don't know why not :)
[18:47] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: well you going to have to give us some clues :)
[18:47] <holstein> xubuntu090: i would double check the creds..
[18:47] <xubuntu090> ok.  here's iwconfig: wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:"MixedNuts"             Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:22:75:15:02:27              Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm              Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Power Management:off           Link Quality=55/70  Signal level=-55 dBm             Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0           Tx excessive re
[18:48] <xubuntu090> what's creds?
[18:48] <xubuntu090> recon: what kind of clues would be helpful?
[18:49] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: ok, first, do you know what a pastebin is?
[18:49] <xubuntu090> no
[18:49] <holstein> xubuntu090: you can user pastebin
[18:49] <xubuntu090> sorry, bit of a noob
[18:49] <holstein> !pastebin
[18:50] <holstein> xubuntu090: i would double check the password... *both* places.. join another network... join that network with another machine
[18:52] <Diego> cool I didn't know about imagebin
[18:53] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: when you say that you could not edit the password in network connection, do you mean that you could enter it but the network would not connect after you set it?
[18:53] <xubuntu090> i'm actually on it with another machine right now.. i know that i have the password right, bc i type it on the other machine when i switch back to secured.  xubuntu isn't asking me for the network password when i try to log on to it, just my system pwd...
[18:53] <xubuntu090> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1298233/
[18:54] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: can you pastebin the output of lshw -C network
[18:55] <xubuntu090> no, i actually *could* edit the network password in edit connections, but it's like ubuntu didn't care about that, it just didn't want me on *any* secured network
[18:55] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: and what the make model of the computer thats giving the problem ?
[18:55] <xubuntu090> sorry for the interpretation, but that's what it seems like ;)
[18:55] <xubuntu090> it's a asus eeepc 900a
[18:55] <holstein> xubuntu090: not being able to get on any network would be a good thing to know.. can you join any other secured network?
[18:55] <xubuntu090> took a while to get wireless working, but it is (i'm on an unsecured network right now)
[18:56] <holstein> xubuntu090: works out of the box on my 900...
[18:56] <xubuntu090> holstein: that's a good idea.. unfortunately i don't know any other passwords to any other secured networks around here...
[18:56] <xubuntu090> holstein: did you do a minimum install?
[18:56] <holstein> xubuntu090: i usually take one of the test routers i have and set up a network
[18:57] <holstein> xubuntu090: or go to to a coffee shop
[18:57] <holstein> xubuntu090: its running lubuntu right now... 12.04
[18:57] <xubuntu090> ok.. honestly, i installed last week, and im not sure how i did it exactly.. took a lot of fiddling to figure out how to get the applet at all.
[18:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: you sure the password is correct?
[18:58] <xubuntu090> but i figured out i had to comment out everything in /etc/network/interfaces except the 2 basic lines, let me see what they are
[18:58] <xubuntu090> recon: yeah i'm dead sure
[18:59] <xubuntu090> ok yeah commented out everything except
[18:59] <holstein> xubuntu090: i literally installed and used it... maybe you should try and remember how you install.. maybe consider tring a xubuntu live CD
[18:59] <xubuntu090> auto lo iface lo inet loopback
[18:59] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: ok, pastebin the output of nm-tool
[19:01] <xubuntu090> recon: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/1298258/
[19:02] <xubuntu090> note: my network is "MixedNuts" -- currently unsecured... I can secure it, sign off, and sign on on my other computer which *can* get onto the secured network if you say so ..
[19:04] <xubuntu090> holstein: thats a good idea with the live cd.. maybe it will work from there..
[19:06] <recon_lap> seems that the ath5k driver had wpa problems, but that was a year ago.
[19:07] <xubuntu090> hm.. yeah. honestly, i fooled around with it so much trying to get wireless to work at all, i'm not sure all the steps i went through.
[19:07] <xubuntu090> i think im gonna leave the room, secure the network, and come back from my other computer so i can try getting on the secured network again.
[19:08] <recon_lap> xubuntu090: think having a try with a live Cd/USB might be worth checking, might be something you changed.
[19:08] <xubuntu090> thanks so much for your help guys.. brb
[19:08] <xubuntu090> ok.. yeah i'll try that first.  either way i'll be back to let you guys know if i get it working :)
[19:20] <Arizona> Hi guys
[19:20] <Arizona> I'll be installing xubuntu today, but I haven't installed it on a dvd
[19:21] <Arizona> I was wondering if thats possible, or can i only do it on a cd
[19:21] <Arizona> sorry, only ever installed operating systems on usb drives
[19:21] <Arizona> :3
[19:21] <Arizona> Raytray, do you mind helping me out
[19:21] <nyRednek> Arizona, the iso image is small enough for a cd
[19:22] <Arizona> nyRednek, I bought a pack of dvds though
[19:22] <Arizona> would it still work
[19:22] <holstein> i have used dvd's to burn the cd sized iso's on
[19:22] <nyRednek> Arizona, it'll work
[19:22] <Raytray> THe process is similar to using a usb drive
[19:23] <Arizona> nyRednek,
[19:23] <Arizona> What program do you recomend for burning it onto the dvd
[19:23] <Arizona> i havent done this in a longgg time
[19:24] <Arizona> When i'm burning the iso, do I just go and click it when im browsing for the file
[19:24] <Arizona> and click burn
[19:24] <holstein> Arizona: what operating system are you using?
[19:24] <Arizona> holstein, At the moment, windows 7
[19:24] <Arizona> because
[19:24] <Arizona> i'll be dual booting xubuntu
[19:24] <Arizona> and win7
[19:24] <Arizona> \on my laptop
[19:25] <nyRednek> Arizona, from which OS?
[19:25] <nyRednek> Arizona, any burning app will do the job
[19:25] <Arizona> nyRednek, I'll be installning xubuntu
[19:25] <Arizona> i already have win7
[19:26] <Arizona> nyRednek, do you know any good burning software
[19:26] <nyRednek> Arizona, any relatively modern app that handles iso's to cd's will do the job to burn the disc
[19:26] <Arizona> thats free
[19:26] <Arizona> though
[19:26] <nyRednek> Arizona, um, isoburn?
[19:26] <holstein> Arizona: i would just use what is on there.. there are plenty of options for burning
[19:26] <nyRednek> Arizona, if you don't already have an app like roxio
[19:26] <holstein> http://www.freeisoburner.com/ is the first that came up with i googled...
[19:26] <Arizona> holstein, im not using windows media player
[19:26] <Arizona> to burn my iso onto the dvd
[19:27] <Arizona> lol
[19:27] <nyRednek> Arizona, it's been a while since i've seriously used windows
[19:27] <holstein> Arizona: i didnt imply that you are using a media play.. i am saying, use what is on your hardware, as nyRednek suggests.. nero, roxio..
[19:27] <Arizona> dont have any of those
[19:28] <holstein> Arizona: then try the one i linked, of the one nyRednek suggested...
[19:28] <Arizona> nyRednek, I only use it for steam
[19:28] <nyRednek> Arizona, iirc, there is an iso recorder that you can download that is freeware, integrates into windows explorer
[19:28] <Arizona> good thing steam is coming out for linux :-)
[19:28] <Arizona> holstein, i am using the one you linked
[19:28] <Arizona> lol
[19:29] <holstein> Arizona: lets move the "lol's" to the OT channel.. #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[19:30] <nyRednek> Arizona, which program you use in windows to create an xubuntu cd is largely irrelevant
[19:31] <nyRednek> Arizona, but if you have a 1g or larger usb key to use, you can always use unetbootin and the xubuntu iso to make one
[19:31] <xubuntu607> derp
[19:32] <nyRednek> holstein, doesn't canonical release a windows tool to make live usb images as well?
[19:33] <nikolam> Arizona, I red somewhere Stream has some security holes
[19:33] <nikolam> steam
[19:33] <holstein> nyRednek: i think so, but it will be listed on the main ubuntu site somewhere
[19:34] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/burn-a-dvd-on-windows is relevant Arizona / nyRednek
[19:35] <holstein> http://infrarecorder.org/ is the one suggested at the connonical site
[19:35] <Arizona> sorry
[19:35] <Arizona> I just disconnected
[19:35] <Arizona> thank you holstein
[19:35] <Arizona> infrarecorder?
[19:36] <holstein> Arizona: its the image iso maker suggested at the ubuntu site i lined above... above the link to the http://infrarecorder.org/ site
[19:36] <Arizona> awesome
[19:36] <Arizona> I'll be sure to use that :-)
[19:37] <Arizona> Thanks a bunch, holstein
[19:37] <nyRednek> holstein, thanks
[19:37] <nyRednek> i'll remember that next time someone asks
[19:37] <holstein> that of the other one i linked.. or the one nyRednek suggested... or just in the shell in win7 as that link suggests
[19:38] <nyRednek> holstein, i've already got my system up, though...about to redo the boot chip(seems xubuntu and vfat don't get along easily)
[19:38] <nyRednek> Arizona, canonical reccomends http://infrarecorder.org
[19:39] <Arizona> nyRednek, I'll be using it :-)
[19:39] <nyRednek> s/reccomends/recommends/
[19:43] <nyRednek> all right, one of my laptops has that new atom with the proprietary driver for video
[19:43] <nyRednek> i enabled the proprietary driver, and now the display doesn't
[19:50] <xubuntu090> hey guys im back.  got the secured network problem fixed :)
[19:50] <genii-around> xubuntu090: What turned out to be the issue?
[19:51] <xubuntu090> i just had to change the password type to wpa/wpa2 in edit connections
[19:51] <xubuntu090> duh :(
[19:51] <xubuntu090> i tried booting up from live usb, and that one works without me tinkering around with network connections though
[19:52] <xubuntu090> plus the menu that drops from the applet is a little different than mine, but oh well
[19:52] <xubuntu090> i'm happy with the workaround, that's what i get for trying to install onto a 3gb partition after 1gb swap space..
[19:52] <genii-around> That's pretty tight, yes
[19:53] <xubuntu090> which leads me to the next question... i don't really need swap space do i?  as long as i don't hibernate?
[19:55] <genii-around> Depends on how much physical RAM, and what you might for instance all have running at one time. So there's a lot of variables.
[19:57] <xubuntu090> well i have 1gb ram, and i'm not trying to do any video editing or anything.. i notice the live usb doesn't have any swap space, and it also doesn't offer hibernation in the shutdown dialog.
[19:58] <WalterN> I have 12gigs... I've ran without SWAP for a while.. (I have a tinsle bit now just so the OS does not complain as much)
[19:59] <xubuntu090> WalterN: you're an inspiration my friend :)  think im gonna try getting rid of my swap, as long as im tinkering around.
[20:00] <WalterN> with one or two gigs of memory... I would have some swap :P
[20:00] <xubuntu090> oh yeah?  maybe reduce it to 500 mb then?  i only have about 500 mb left on / and i still want to install vlc
[20:03] <WalterN> wait... what kind of system are you using? lol
[20:06] <xubuntu090> haha eeepc 900a 4gb ssd 1gb ram atom 1.6ghz, xubuntu minimum install + xfce
[20:07] <JonZEn> ne1 else having a prob with chromium and/or chrome on 12.10
[20:09] <JonZEn> on open  where favsrae as a large icon   no pic  only link under white rectangle
[20:09] <JonZEn> favs are  sorry
[20:42] <Chaser> Hello. I have installed xubuntu 12.04 - during installation I did select encrypt my home folder and gave it a passphrase. Everything works fine. I decided to test if its encrypted or not with a livecd and mounted my home partition and everything is visible in plain text. Has anyone seen the same behaviour ?
[20:43] <Chaser> 10.04 was running on this laptop I simply chose to do a fresh install instead of upgrade.
[21:49] <n2diy_> I upgraded my test box from 12.04 to 12.10, and now X doesn't display correctly, and the mouse isn't working. I can use command line in a console.
[22:38] <Arizona> Hi guys
[22:38] <Arizona> holstein,
[22:38] <Arizona> If you remember, I burned the iso onto the dvd
[22:38] <Arizona> right now
[22:38] <Arizona> and it seems to be fine, but when i turn on my computer with the dvd inside, it wont boot
[22:38] <Arizona> ;c
[22:38] <Arizona> I don't know whats wrong
[22:39] <recon_lap> hi Arizona, can you open the dvd and see whats on it?
[22:39] <Arizona> yes
[22:40] <recon_lap> Arizona: can you name a couple of the files
[22:40] <Arizona> .disk
[22:40] <Arizona> boot
[22:40] <recon_lap> Arizona: ok, thats fine
[22:40] <Arizona> so
[22:40] <recon_lap> Arizona: the computer is set to boot from the dvd?
[22:40] <Arizona> what do i do ?
[22:40] <Arizona> no
[22:40] <Arizona> it hasn't
[22:41] <recon_lap> Arizona: I mean you set the DVD drive to be the first boot device in the BIOS
[22:41] <Arizona> how would i do this
[22:41] <Arizona> im running windows 7
[22:41] <recon_lap> Arizona: does windows start when you try boot?
[22:41] <recon_lap> Arizona: boot with the DVD in that is
[22:41] <Arizona> yes
[22:42] <Arizona> i put the dvd while im turning on my computer lol
[22:42] <recon_lap> Arizona: ok, have you backed up your important data?
[22:42] <Arizona> no, i haven't
[22:43] <recon_lap> Arizona: I know it's a pain, but you should do that now
[22:43] <Arizona> ho would i do that
[22:43] <Arizona> do you mean
[22:43] <Arizona> burn my whole operating system
[22:43] <Arizona> onto another dvd
[22:44] <recon_lap> Arizona: well, depends. the whole OS wont fit on a DVD. You probably should burn you home folder onto a dvd at the least
[22:44] <Arizona> my "home folder"
[22:44] <Arizona> ?
[22:44] <Arizona> what do you mean
[22:45] <Raytray> /home/Arizona
[22:45] <recon_lap> Arizona: you know, "my documents" and all that stuff. the things would would really miss of you did not have them any more
[22:45] <Arizona> recon_lap, I don't really care about any of that
[22:45] <recon_lap> Raytray: he's on windows
[22:46] <Raytray> oh sorry haha
[22:46] <Arizona> recon_lap, if i change my bios though
[22:46] <Arizona> would it be easy to go change it back
[22:46] <Arizona> ?
[22:46] <Arizona> I can do that i think
[22:47] <recon_lap> Arizona: ok, if you wont miss any of it that great :) another question, do you want to keep windows and duel boot , or just pure xubuntu
[22:47] <Arizona> dual boot
[22:48] <recon_lap> Arizona: so, you have to reboot the computer to get into the bios , when the computer is starting press "del" or f2 and you should go to the bios menu
[22:48] <Arizona> yeah
[22:48] <recon_lap> Arizona: then find the boot order and make sure DVD is first
[22:48] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[22:48] <Arizona> if i did this
[22:48] <Arizona> lets say i want to stop it from booting afterwards
[22:48] <Arizona> if i dont like xubuntu
[22:48] <Arizona> would i do the same thing
[22:49] <Arizona> ?
[22:49] <Arizona> also: how would i know which one is dvd
[22:49] <Arizona> I know i can go on boot
[22:49] <Arizona> through the bios
[22:49] <Arizona> and switch it up
[22:49] <Chaser> is there a way in xubuntu to add a network share into the places menu.
[22:50] <recon_lap> Arizona: well, if there is no DVD is should move on to the HDD, you can go back in and change it back as well. but if you're hopeless with tech you could muck the BOIS up and need someone who knows what he's doing to put it all back right
[22:50] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[22:50] <Arizona> I think i'll be fine :-)
[22:50] <Arizona> alright
[22:50] <Arizona> thanks
[22:51] <kal_> hey!
[22:51] <recon_lap> Arizona: do you have a second computer that you can chan on while you doing this?
[22:51] <Arizona> yes.
[22:52] <Arizona> one second, let me boot it up
[22:53] <recon_lap> Chaser: I thinks so, but exactly do you mean by a share
[22:53] <Arizona> recon_lap, lets say I wanted to delete the parition of xubuntu
[22:53] <Arizona> would it be easy?
[22:53] <Chaser> recon_lap, was about to type - got the answer looks like gigolo is the application to connect to network shares.
[22:53] <recon_lap> Arizona: should be easy, but I've never needed to :)
[22:54] <Chaser> recon_lap, was looking for ubuntu-gnome's places menu.
[22:54] <Arizona> recon_lap, alright lol
[22:55] <recon_lap> Arizona: question is do you have space to install ubuntu
[22:55] <Arizona> recon_lap, yes
[22:55] <Arizona> 500gb hdd
[22:55] <Arizona> i'll be fine
[22:55] <Arizona> also: im on my other computer now\
[22:56] <Arizona> so im about to go into setup
[22:56] <recon_lap> Arizona: but is all that 500gb being used by windows?
[22:56] <Arizona> yes, recon_lap
[22:56] <Arizona> but doesnt it auto parition\
[22:56] <Arizona> when you want it too
[22:56] <Arizona> ok recon_lap, im in boot
[22:56] <recon_lap> Arizona: not for duel boot systems
[22:56] <Arizona> priority order is
[22:56] <Arizona> recon_lap, well  when i installed
[22:57] <Arizona> linux mint 12 onto my old windows xp computer
[22:57] <Arizona> it worked fiine
[22:57] <Arizona> so this is my boot priority order:
[22:57] <Arizona> 1: hdd
[22:57] <Arizona> 2: atapi cd rom
[22:57] <Arizona> do i change cd rom to top priority
[22:57] <recon_lap> Arizona: yep
[22:57] <Arizona> ok did it
[22:58] <Arizona> booting up
[22:58] <Arizona> :3
[22:58] <Arizona> everything seems to be runnning smoothly, recon_lap
[22:59] <Arizona> I'm onto the loading screen
[22:59] <recon_lap> Arizona: well, I have not done a auto install ever I think :)
[22:59] <Arizona> really
[22:59] <Arizona> whys that?
[23:00] <recon_lap> Arizona: always want to set my partitions up myself, I find it better to have your home folder on it's own partition,
[23:00] <Arizona> oh
[23:00] <Arizona> alright
[23:01] <Arizona> It was on the loading screen, and now its black
[23:01] <Arizona> hm
[23:01] <Arizona> Nevermind, its back onto the loading screen
[23:02] <recon_lap> Arizona: just go to a live session first to see how everything goes before trying to install
[23:02] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[23:02] <Arizona> obviously lol
[23:02] <Arizona> I want to try it first
[23:03] <recon_lap> Arizona: you deal with computers as long as i have the word obviously leaves your vocabulary.
[23:04] <Arizona> recon_lap, alright, sorry
[23:05] <Arizona_> Hi recon_lap
[23:05] <Arizona_> I'm on xubuntu
[23:05] <recon_lap> nice :)
[23:05] <Arizona`> alright
[23:06] <recon_lap> well, somewhere you going to have to resize that windows partition, can be a dangerous operation
[23:06] <Arizona`> recon_lap, what do you mean
[23:07] <recon_lap> if windows is using all the 500gb drive, you going to have to make room if you want to install xubuntu
[23:08] <Arizona> recon_lap, alright
[23:08] <recon_lap> and resizing drives can go wrong, but I have not done that much so maybe it's gotten better :)
[23:09] <Arizona> trying weechat
[23:09] <Arizona> for the first time in forever
[23:09] <Arizona> looking nice :-)
[23:11] <Arizona`> recon_lap, I think I'm going to install it
[23:12] <recon_lap> Arizona, well hope it goes well and you do not accidentally wipe your windows partition
[23:12] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[23:12] <Arizona> thanks lol
[23:13] <sdollins> I'm always afraid resize2fs is going to go nuts on me.
[23:13] <sdollins> I've used it probably a few hundred times and thankfully there hasn't been any power outages.
[23:16] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[23:16] <Arizona> should i put around 60 gigs into the xubuntu parition
[23:16] <Arizona> ?
[23:17] <recon_lap> Arizona: if you think that enough, it is well able to fit in that .
[23:17] <Arizona> alright
[23:17] <Arizona> doing it now
[23:38] <marcuspbaird> hello xbuntu
[23:40] <recon_lap> !hi | marcuspbaird
[23:41] <marcuspbaird> its ok  thanks no a bit about the distro
[23:41] <marcuspbaird> do u guys have any voice chat  rooms  mumble etc teamspeak
[23:45] <recon_lap> marcuspbaird: not that i know of
[23:48] <marcuspbaird> ok cool
[23:53] <Arizona> Hi recon_lap
[23:53] <Arizona> :)
[23:53] <Arizona> xubuntu installed succesfully
[23:53] <Arizona> I was just wondering, when dual booting there is a prompt to change operating systems
[23:53] <Arizona> but
[23:53] <Arizona> it says after 10 seconds it would automatically go to the first one highlighted
[23:54] <Arizona> the first one highlighted happens to be xubuntu, and i was wondering if i could make win7 on the top of the list
[23:54] <n2diy_> I upgraded my test box from 12.04 to 12.10, and now X doesn't display correctly, and the mouse isn't working. I can use command line in a console.
[23:55] <recon_lap> Arizona: think it's in grub.conf , you need to change it in there and run grup-update
[23:56] <recon_lap> Arizona: let me check that
[23:57] <Arizona> alright
[23:57] <n2diy_> how do you reconfigure X in 12.10?