/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/23/#kubuntu.txt

BlackBsdIm having an issue where kde crashes when i do various things to some of the icons and other widgets on the destop task bar00:06
BlackBsdbut not every widget00:07
BlackBsdthe K, start widget works fine00:07
BlackBsdany application items i add crash once i try to click on them00:07
BlackBsdbut not the widgets for the currently running applications.00:08
BlackBsdany ideas which log file might be usefull?, i was looking at my .xsession-errors00:10
Copernicus2Khey00:15
Copernicus2Khow can i check what gpu driver i am using? if i am using nouveau or nvidia?00:16
Copernicus2K?00:17
BlackBsdi think in /var/log/Xorg.0.log00:17
BlackBsdthat should tell you whats being loaded and used00:17
xixorHowdy y'all!00:19
BlackBsdhello00:20
xixoryo, can anyone shine some light on the proper way to install the Nvidia binary graphics driver for my GT 240?  Googling around, it seems that there are various ways: different PPAs, some recommend installing the binary blob directly from Nvidia, some go through the ubuntu hardware system.  Just wondering if there is "best practices" way to go about it?  Cheers00:21
xixoroh well, I will try going through the ubuntu/kubuntu additional drivers program00:25
xixorbrb00:25
xixoryo00:38
douglxixor, jockey something or another off the k will get ya there quickest00:39
xixordougl: Cool, yeah, that is what I ended up going with, thanks00:40
douglgood00:40
xixorI just installed 12.10, looks pretty good00:41
BlackBsdidk which log file would provide a better idea which is wong with the kde session00:49
BlackBsdif i click on that red, blue, green widget, kde crashes and takes me back to the user logon screen.00:50
xixorso whats the deal with the KDE wallet?  Is it secure?  Do most people use it?00:56
Belial`i use it because it immediately bothers me by popping up when i try to connect after an install.00:58
xixorso it stores passwords for websites mainly?  I just find the whole thing very confusing00:58
tsimpsonit can store passwords for pretty much anything00:59
tsimpsonthough it's not limited to passwords, any "private data" can be stored00:59
xixorI find KDE pretty confusing all together.  neopkum, strigli, akonadi, wallets, upon installation it feels like I am bombarded by notifications that these things are doing things, but I don't really know what they are all doing00:59
Belial`i turn off indexing immediately. not sure if things are fixed now, but it use to spike my cpu.01:00
Belial`as far as the rest, i just let them do their thing.01:00
Belial`never gets in the way.01:00
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xixorindexing is the neopokum thing?01:01
xixornepomuk rather01:01
Belial`yeah01:01
Belial`right click search file indexer, then i uncheck the desktop file indexer. because i really don't need it.01:02
Belial`it could be fixed by now though.01:02
xixorhow does one use it?01:02
BlackBsdwhat is neopkum01:03
Belial`i believe what that particular feature does is when you search for something, it searches for keywords inside of documents themselves.01:04
BlackBsdany ideas on why kde would crash01:04
Belial`instead of just filenames.01:04
xixorso, for example, I am a little confused here.  I just ran Chromium, and ti is asking access to my wallet.  It needs a password, and I need to verify this password.  Is this wallet just for google chrome?  Or am I setting my global master password for my personal wallet?  Does Chromium get access only to the Chromium wallet?  Or does it have access to absolutely everything I put in there?01:04
BlackBsdoh01:04
BlackBsdno the wallet is a way for kde to store its passwords that you use in various applications01:04
xixorso each application gets it's own wallet?01:05
BlackBsdeach app can have a seprate entry into your wallet, where that app can store a password or something for you01:07
BlackBsdthen if you give an application access to use your wallet, it can remember the passwords that  you have given01:08
xixorso, once the wallet is open, can any website just grab passwords?01:08
tsimpsonthe website doesn't access the password, only the local application (the browser in this case)01:09
BlackBsdif you give that program, chromium, permission to access your wallet01:09
BlackBsdwhen it goes to page x, which requires the username and password, they can be autofilled in..01:10
BlackBsdhas anyone installed 12.10?01:10
xixorBlackBsd: I installed 12.10 a few minutes ago01:11
BlackBsdmy issue seems to be related to the startbar widgets01:11
Belial`what's the issue, BlackBsd ?01:11
BlackBsdif i click on them or move my mouse over areas of the start bar, everything seems to crash and i have to re-log in..  any ideas as to what log i could try to look into?01:12
BlackBsdif i click on that  widget that is the redblue green contol, i think my xsession dies.01:12
BlackBsdbut i can use the K start widget.01:13
BlackBsdidk if its a kde problem, and X problem?01:13
Belial`is this a fresh install?01:13
BlackBsdyes01:13
Belial`i was going to suggest moving (not deleting) you ~/.kde folder01:14
Belial`and logging out/in to see if that fixes it.01:14
Belial`if it doesn't, move the folder back to ~/.kde so you retain your settings.01:14
BlackBsdits a xps desktop, nvidia card, but i think its using the naviho driver01:15
Belial`nouveau?01:15
Belial`did you try using a different driver?01:15
BlackBsdno, not yet01:15
BlackBsdi have had issues when i tried installing ubuntu then installing kde-full01:16
BlackBsdsame issue01:16
Belial`and this time you're using kubuntu?01:16
BlackBsdyes01:16
rozmuqBlackBsd,  what distro?01:16
BlackBsdi have also tried to add a program launch botton to the task bar.01:16
BlackBsdi am using kubuntu-12.1001:16
BlackBsdfresh install01:16
Belial`are desktop effects enabled?01:17
xixoris google in the apt sources.list by default?  I added it, but it is there twice for some reason, so just curious if something in kubuntu-restricted-extras, or somethign else added it?01:17
BlackBsdif i click on the "show activity manager" kde seems to crash and take me back to the user logon section01:17
BlackBsdbut still in X01:17
BlackBsdi think its lightdm01:18
Belial`if desktop effects are enabled, try disabling them and test it.01:18
rozmuqBlackBsd,  64bit?01:18
BlackBsdyes 64 bit01:18
rozmuqBlackBsd,  i had almost the same issue in mint 13 kde 64bit01:18
rozmuqand i tried anything01:18
rozmuqasked people01:18
BlackBsdrozmuq, i had similar issues with ubuntu where compiz kept crashing01:19
rozmuq:/01:19
BlackBsdis the desktop effects in the system settings01:19
Belial`yes01:19
BlackBsddo i have to log out and log back in?01:20
Belial`you shouldn't have to, but it couldn't hurt.01:21
BlackBsdno, i crashed again01:23
BlackBsdi seemed to be able to expand the activity manager section of the start bar but it still crashed01:24
xixorso, do any of you use Activities?01:25
xixorThere are so many strange things in KDE I just can't seem to get my head around01:25
BlackBsdi just clicked on it.01:25
BlackBsdthen once i clicked on the konsole widget that i added to the start bar, it carshed..  briefly looked like i saw some text on a black terminal then the gui, logon page, showed back up01:26
Belial`BlackBsd, try using the nvidia driver and see if that does anything.01:32
Belial`it sounds like driver issues if the same thing happens in compiz.01:32
BlackBsdi think i have this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/106915101:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069151 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "NVidiaDriver does not work with 640GT" [Undecided,Invalid]01:33
BlackBsdare there docs on enabling the nvidia drivers?01:34
BlackBsdsorry for the noob question01:34
BlackBsdits been awhile..01:34
Belial`alt+f2 and type in "jockey"01:34
Belial`it'll pull up "additional drivers"01:34
Belial`click that01:34
BlackBsdi think i need to make sure i have kernel-headers first?01:35
Belial`it should take care of it for you.01:35
Belial`it doesn't do any compiling.01:36
Belial`it'll check to see if you have any proprietary drivers available for your hardware.01:36
Belial`if you do, i suggest trying one of the nvidia drivers.01:36
BlackBsdi have 3 available listed01:37
BlackBsdexperimental nvidia and a current and a current-updates01:37
BlackBsdhmm, i guess current-updates01:37
Belial`i'd use current01:37
DarthFrogI use current-updates.  Works for me: GTX57001:37
Belial`yeah, you can try all of them and see which one works best.01:38
BlackBsdi have gt 64001:38
DarthFrogCurrent and current-updates should be the same now.01:38
DarthFrogi.e. in Quantal.01:38
BlackBsdwhere is my xorg.conf located?01:38
DarthFrog /etc/X1101:38
tsimpsonyou probably don't have one01:39
BlackBsdlast time i tried, i think my screen resolution got jacked up..01:39
BlackBsdyou might be right, i dont know if i do have one, i looked and could not find it.01:39
BlackBsdok here goesa01:39
BlackBsdin the event that something goes wrong, is it easy to switch back to the stock driver?01:40
DarthFrogBlackBsd:  "sudo updatedb"  creates a searchable database of your file system.  Search it with the "locate" command.01:40
BlackBsdthanks i didnt know i had locate01:40
DarthFrog"locate" doesn't do jack, until "updatedb" has been run.01:41
BlackBsdso since i dont have one, i guess my x server starts up with all defaults?01:41
BlackBsdwhen i was using gentoo back in the day i had it where i started up to a terminal and then  i would have to run startx to get up into the gui.01:42
BlackBsdkde 3.x i think. :-/01:42
DarthFrogThe X driver model has changed since those days.  Intelligence is in the driver now, not in xorg.conf.01:45
BlackBsdoh, and modelines?01:45
BlackBsdi used to press ctrl alt and +/-01:45
BlackBsdto switch different resolutions01:46
DarthFrogI've not done that in years.  Use "krandr" to set your resolution.01:46
BlackBsdok.01:46
BlackBsdlet me reboot and try to log back in... brb01:47
DarthFrogIn a nutshell, nothing *needs* to be done at the command line these days.  Some (including me) prefer it, though.01:47
DarthFrogNo need to reboot.01:47
BlackBsdthe dialog just told me to reboot01:48
BlackBsddont x have to restart?01:48
DarthFrogEh, just log out, restart the X server and log in again.01:48
BlackBsdhow do i restart x01:48
DarthFrogX, yes.  the system, no.01:48
BlackBsdctrl alt backspace?01:48
DarthFrogAlt-SysReq-K (use the Shift key).01:48
DarthFrogit's a test of your manual dexterity. :-)01:49
BlackBsdwhat is SysReq?01:49
BlackBsdlol01:49
BlackBsdi dont think a log out restarts x, does it?01:50
DarthFrogit's a key on your keyboard.  Look at PrtSc.01:50
DarthFrogNo, it doesn't.01:50
DarthFrogbut a log out properly closes your apps and saves your data.01:50
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BlackBsdim probably not doing that key combo correctly01:51
DarthFrogNo harm in rebooting. :-)01:51
BlackBsd:-/  brb01:52
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BlackBsdDarth... I think that worked. :-)01:55
BlackBsdU  the man..01:55
BlackBsdso is this open souce driver, buggy huh?01:56
tsimpsonwell the closed source driver is buggy, try both and see which is the least buggy for you :)01:56
BlackBsd:-), well from a fresh install the open source driver was not being very usefull01:57
BlackBsd:-)01:57
BlackBsdbut thats cool.01:57
BlackBsdin general do i not need to setup an xorg.conf file any longer?01:57
tsimpsonyou usually don't need to, the X server is (normally) capable of detecting your hardware and auto-magically configuring itself01:58
BlackBsdsweet..  so is it possible to still start up to a non-gui terminal and having to startx into the system when i am ready?01:59
tsimpsonpossible: yes, simple: not so much02:00
tsimpsonUbuntu (and Kubuntu etc) are really geared to starting an X session02:00
tsimpsonthough you can always just Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a terminal02:01
tsimpsonand Alt-F7 to get back02:01
BlackBsdahh02:01
BlackBsdyeah... thanks02:02
BlackBsdso im also getting used to the k/ubuntu sytems.02:02
BlackBsdis there also some non-free packages02:03
tsimpsonyes, though it depends what you mean by "non-free"02:03
BlackBsdwell the non-standard packages that i can install that will give me different codecs02:04
BlackBsdand playing mp3, flash, dvd02:04
BlackBsdstill learning apt-get02:04
tsimpsonyeah, those are the kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons packages02:04
BlackBsdwhat is the differenece between extras and addons?02:05
tsimpsonkubuntu-restricted-extras depends on kubuntu-restricted-addons, so they are designed to be installed together02:05
jmichaelxdo we still have both mplayer & mplayer2 in the repos, or is mplayer (v1) gone?02:07
BlackBsdright on..02:07
BlackBsdi remember kmplayer.02:07
tsimpsonjmichaelx: mplayer is mplayer (v1)02:08
jmichaelxtsimpson: ok, i am a bit confused with what i'm looking at.... if i do 'aptitude show mplayer', i see a line that says 'provided by: mplayer2'02:09
tsimpsonjmichaelx: mplayer2 "provides" the package "mplayer" so that other packages that depend on mplayer being installed don't break because you happen to have mplayer2 instead02:11
tsimpsonif you notice that mplayer has a Conflicts: mplayer2, and mplayer2 has a Conflicts: mplayer02:12
jmichaelxi'm not seeing mplayer2 anywhere02:12
tsimpsonso they can't be both installed, but both can works as "mplayer"02:12
jmichaelxin the repos, i mean02:12
tsimpson!info mplayer202:12
ubottumplayer2 (source: mplayer2): next generation movie player for Unix-like systems. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1 (quantal), package size 1212 kB, installed size 3097 kB02:12
jmichaelxok, tyvm02:13
jmichaelxi am seeing mplayer2, after all02:13
BlackBsdso if i run apt-get dist-upgrade, will all software and dependicies check for upgrades?02:14
jmichaelxnot sure what to think about the word 'bad' being in the mplayer2 package name 0.002:14
BlackBsdafter i have ran apt-get update02:14
tsimpsonjmichaelx: that's just a hexadecimal string number 0-9 and letters a-f, it just so happens you can spell "bad" with that02:15
tsimpson(as well as deadbeaf)02:15
tsimpsonBlackBsd: yes, dist-upgrade will install any updates and new packages that those updates need02:16
BlackBsdcan i run it without specifying a package so it may run for all packages?02:17
BlackBsdnevermind02:17
tsimpsonthat's how it's intended to run it02:17
jmichaelxyay. switching to mplayer2 got VDPAU working again, and got me away from a bug i was running into with mplayer1 when playing internet radio streams02:19
jmichaelxi say it's working, but hi def videos still are not playing as smoothly as tthey should be02:22
BlackBsdhow can i check to see if a particular package is installed?02:24
BlackBsdhow do i know that i dont have firefox installed02:24
BlackBsdor chromium02:25
tsimpsonfrom the command line?02:25
BlackBsdis there a way to query the apt package manager to see?02:26
tsimpson"apt-cache policy <package>" eg: "apt-cache policy firefox"02:26
tsimpsonor you can use the Muon Package Manager02:26
BlackBsdapt-cache works well, thanks02:27
xixoryo.  So, once I hit ALT+F1 and type something into the Kmenu, and I have found someothing, how do I run it, without using the mouse?02:28
BlackBsdtab -- enter02:29
BlackBsdalt+f1 -- konsole -- tab -- ent02:30
xixorah... for some reason... I couldn't figure that out on my own... je suis fail02:31
tsimpsonapparently, and I just found this, press shift and you can select from the list02:31
tsimpsonyou don't have to keep shift pressed, just press it once02:31
xixorweird02:32
BlackBsdthat shift only works if the text box has focus02:32
tsimpsonit should do if you've press Alt-F102:33
xixordo you guys mostly launch programs with alt+f2?02:33
xixorI don't find the auto-sense of the alt+F2 launcher to be that clever... I feel like I might as well spawn everything from the konsole02:33
BlackBsdpress alt f1 -- konsole -- press down -- press shift02:34
tsimpsonI use the Classic Menu launcher02:34
tsimpsonand I have yakuake, so I always have a terminal available with a press of F1202:34
xixorso, run muon? muon package manager? muon software center? muon update manager?  Are these all pretty  much the same?02:36
tsimpsonthey are all different aspects of the same thing02:38
tsimpsonpackage manager and update manager are probably self-explanatory, the software center thing is like the package manager, but a little more "user friendly"02:39
tsimpsonand it's not quite "there" yet imo02:39
BlackBsdemerge -uDvp world02:40
BlackBsdhave you used chromium-browser?02:43
xixorYeah, I am using chromium right now, it's great02:44
BlackBsddid you copy the flash library over into the plugins folder?02:44
xixornope02:44
tsimpsonchromium should use the same plugin as all the other browsers02:45
BlackBsdhttp://thegeekin.com/install-flash-player-chromium-ubuntu/02:45
BlackBsdhttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html02:45
BlackBsdyour right, i dont seem to have to copy anythingover and it still works02:46
BlackBsdbut i keep getting errors when i try to watch movies on youtube02:48
BlackBsdhmm02:48
SnowhogBlackBsd: Do you have the medibuntu repository?02:49
BlackBsdidk, if its not with a default kubuntu install02:50
BlackBsdweird, but free movies will play, but the movies that i have purchased do not seem to play02:50
SnowhogBlackBsd: No, it isn't included with Kubuntu; you have to add it.02:50
BlackBsdapt-get install medibuntu??02:50
SnowhogBlackBsd: : sudo wget --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/$(lsb_release -cs).list && sudo apt-get --quiet update && sudo apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get --quiet update02:50
SnowhogBlackBsd: All as one entry in a console.02:51
SnowhogBlackBsd: Are you running a 32- or 64-bit kubuntu?02:52
BlackBsd64 bit02:52
SnowhogAfter the repository and key are installed, type: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 w64codecs02:53
SnowhogBlackBsd: And then type: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-downloader:i38602:54
SnowhogBlackBsd: You should have no problems viewing/listening to youtube vids. I don't.02:54
BlackBsdi have the flashplugin-installer package02:55
xixorDo you need to install like, kubuntu-restricted-extras or anything?02:55
FlyingElvisuse chrome...flash problems solved02:55
xixoryo, I'd like to have the windows key + E open a new dolphin.  Is there a handy way to do this?02:55
Snowhogxixor: Not for use with Chromium. Might be necessary with Rekonq02:56
FlyingElvischrome has a built in flash...so it will work...it does not use the flash plugin installer02:56
xixorSnowhog: ok, cool.  Is there a difference between restricted-extras, and restricted-addons?  I couldn't figure that out02:56
xixorah, KDE menu editor allows one to bind shortcuts to applications02:58
Snowhogxixor: kubuntu-restricted-addons: This package depends on some commonly used packages in the Kubuntu02:59
Snowhog universe and multiverse repositories.02:59
Snowhog .02:59
Snowhog You should not install this package directly, but instead install the02:59
Snowhog kubuntu-restricted-extras package.02:59
FloodBotK1Snowhog: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.02:59
SnowhogFloodBotK1: Sorry.03:00
xixorSnowhog: ah, somehow I missed that :p  cheers03:00
tsimpsonxixor: right click the menu, choose Edit Applications... go to Utilities -> File Manager, click the Advanced tab, then click the button next to "Current shortcut key" and then press they key combination you want. press Save and you're done03:02
xixortsimpson: great, thanks03:03
tsimpsonoh, it's actually System -> Dolphin, not Utilities -> File Manager03:03
BlackBsddoes kde still have the konqueror browser?03:05
BlackBsdis it now called rekonq?03:05
BlackBsdlol03:05
Belial`kubuntu uses rekonq as its default browser.03:05
xixoryes, I actually like rekonq now03:05
Belial`but konqueror is still in kde.03:05
xixorI think when it was konqueror, it was trying to be both a file browser, and a web browser, wasn't it?03:06
Belial`yeah, it's both a file manager and web browser.03:06
tsimpsonkonqueror is really just a shell, it can be whatever it wants to be03:06
BlackBsdshit.. it was the swiss army knief03:06
BlackBsdi used its terminal extensions..03:07
BlackBsdback in kde 3.x03:07
BlackBsdso does konqueror not get intalled by kubuntu?03:07
BlackBsdshould i run apt-get install kde-full03:07
tsimpsonit's part of the kubuntu-full seed03:08
Belial`konqueror isn't installed by default, but you can easily install it from the repos.03:08
xixoryou know, I'd like to watch a real KDE pro in action, to see what their workflows are like03:13
tsimpsonthe main point of KDE is that it's configurable, so it can adapt to how _you_ use _it_ :)03:14
Belial`is there an updates ppa or backports ppa ready yet? or does that come some time afterwards?03:16
xixorSure, but to use a crude analogy, I could spend a few years learning a musical instrument on my own, picking up bad habbits and such, or I could take a few lessons and in a few weeks surpass where I would be after a year on my own03:16
tsimpsonBelial`: if you're running quantal 12.10, then there are no new updates yet, you have the latest already03:16
Belial`right. i guess the updates ppa will be up and running by next month then?03:17
Belial`for 4.9.303:17
tsimpsonas soon as is humanly possible03:17
Belial`awesome. i guess what i'm asking is, the backports ppa doesn't go active until the next major version of kde, right?03:18
Belial`up until that point, it's just the updates ppa?03:18
tsimpsonthe updates PPA is for things that will eventually go to the normal update process, the backports PPA is for things which can't go there, but people want03:21
jay_1103:30
xixortsimpson, everyone else: thanks for the help this evening, time for bed.  Cheers!03:38
rozmuqhttps://twitter.com/rozmuq/status/26059456677481267204:15
shadeslayerI don't see how that is relevant to #kubuntu04:16
uwemoin05:21
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rob_kDear friends, I have a problem with adding a java program as a KDE start menu entry. I start 'dirsyncpro.sh' with a doubleclick and it starts up well. I start '/my_path/dirsyncpro.sh' in KDE menu editor and it will try to load, and silently stop loading after maybe 10 seconds and the taskbar icon will disappear. The sh file says line 1 'DIRSYNCPRO_HOME=$(dirname "$0")' and line 2 'java -Xmx512M -jar "$DIRSYNCPRO_HOME/dirsyncpro.jar" $*06:49
shadeslayerrob_k: because you didn't pass a arg to the script06:52
shadeslayeroh wait06:53
shadeslayerhmm06:53
shadeslayerrob_k: best to just provide the full path to the script?06:53
shadeslayeror you could try adding : java -Xmx512M -jar /path/to/dirsyncpro.jar : to the KDE menu06:54
rob_kshadeslayer: I set Work Path in KDE Menu Editor with no difference06:54
rob_kshadeslayer: Using 'java -Xmx512M -jar /my_path/dirsyncpro.jar' doesn't work, same issue06:57
shadeslayerhm06:57
shadeslayerrob_k: possibly ask in #kde06:58
rob_kshadeslayer: I'll try #kde, Thanks.06:59
shadeslayerit's a bit odd that it works fine from dolphin, but not from the kicker07:00
rob_kshadeslayer: Actually it doesn't work from Dolphin either, it work when I doubleklick from Double Commander.07:03
ubsafderhello, I d like to move my kubuntu setup to a different machine but the UIID is giving me big pb can i switch back to disk by name ?07:05
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shadeslayerrob_k: oh ...07:07
ubsafderor how do i copy just one partition from on disk to the next should the new disk have a partition of the exact size or can it be litle bigger ext3 will manage07:08
shadeslayerubsafder: edit /etc/fstab ?07:08
ubsafdergrub is also using the uiid ?07:09
shadeslayerafaik no07:10
shadeslayergrub is the bootloader, it's installed on /dev/sda07:10
shadeslayeror wherever you installed it to07:10
ubsafderon my new disk i have a ubuntu 12.04 at setup it found the old linux in the next partition07:11
shadeslayerwell .. you'll need to run sudo grub update-grub07:12
shadeslayerwait wait07:12
shadeslayerI might have misunderstood that last statement07:12
shadeslayerubsafder: could you explain a bit more?07:13
ubsafderbut my old computer screen is dead i got a new computer with partition i'd like to keep07:14
ubsafderold computer had ubuntu partition I'd like to copy  to new computer07:15
rob_kgrub2 will call the grug.cfg, you can choose to point to your partition like /dev/sdb3 or you can use uiid. You have to rebuild the grub.cfg after changing the 40_custom file.07:15
ubsafderi copied to data of old computer to new cp-arp i tried setting up grub07:18
rob_kTo be clear, you have a partition with ubuntu from your old computer harddisk, this partition you copied from your old computers harddisk to a partition on your new computers harddisk. Your new computers harddisk got another distro already. In this already existing distro you tried to set up your bootloader to make an additional entry for this new ubuntu partition.07:20
rob_kDid you copy the '/boot partition' from the old computer also, or was the /boot also in the same partition?07:22
ubsafderrob_k:  yeah that is the situation07:23
ubsafderthe old computer had everything in one partition07:23
rob_kgrub 1 or grub 2?07:24
ubsafderit is not booting yet fstab probably07:24
ubsafderthe old computer had grub 1 i think the new has grub207:26
rob_kWhich point in the boot process are you exactly stuck?07:26
rob_kthe fstab is only pointing where the /root, /boot, /home, /mnt/xxx, ... will go. There should be no problem changing this files entries to the current paths, with uuid or dev/sdx you can choose07:30
ubsafderok my issue mostly been the boot loader I wonder once i copy the data to new computer to new computer what is the best way to setup grub again07:33
ubsafdershould i use to existing new linux to detect the "new" old linux07:34
ubsafder<rob_k: thanks very much i have it booting to prompt again it was fstab holding it07:38
ubsafdernow from the prompt can i setup the video ?07:38
rob_krun X?07:38
rob_kyou have to set up to vesa guessable to load a proper driver for the new graphicscard07:39
rob_kset it to vesa in xorg.conf, then boot into ubuntu, then load your desired driver07:40
ubsafderis there a way to detect as done installingthe OS ?07:40
ubsafderi don't care of the old X conf07:41
ubsafderX says no device detected  no screens found07:42
rob_kedit xorg.conf, you don't have a proper driver for your videocard07:42
ubsafderi can't find any entry vesa in xorg.conf07:44
ubsafderrob_k:anyway thanks a lot  i had forgotten fstab now it is booting to prompt my goal is reach i will be back if i can't fix X07:47
rob_kyour entry is nvidia if you have an nvidia card, you have to change it to maybe vesa. You can also load via commandline the correct driver for your card07:49
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dagzohello, i've had a problem with kubuntu since 12.04 (still the same problem with 12.10); sometimes when my computer can't connect to wifi (through the network manager widget), my plasma-desktop doesn't respond anymore, and i need to switch off my wifi (with the switch on my laptop) so that it starts responding again08:29
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syriaHi, Can I upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 using the DVD or the ISO file please?09:06
syria Hi, Can I upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 using the DVD or the ISO file please?09:15
shadeslayersyria: I think so09:25
syriashadeslayer:  Downloading it will take like two days, @20 KB/S so I want to make sure of it. :(09:25
shadeslayerhere's the problem09:26
shadeslayerI don't think the kubuntu installer supports it09:26
shadeslayerbut the gtk one does support it09:26
shadeslayeryofel_: ^ any ideas if we have a supported upgrade path via an ISO?09:28
yofel_only the alternate disk could do that09:28
yofel_so no09:28
shadeslayerthe gtk installer does support it though ...09:29
shadeslayerso can one install the gtk installer and upgrade via that?09:29
yofel_it does?09:29
shadeslayeryeah09:29
yofel_hm09:29
shadeslayerhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/125947/can-i-update-from-ubuntu-12-04-desktop-i386-iso-file09:30
yofel_I mean, sure you can install ubiquity-frontend-gtk from the live session09:30
shadeslayerright09:30
yofel_someone should test that09:30
* shadeslayer is hacking away on telepathy :P09:31
syriaThis link works with ubuntu installer.09:31
yofel_shadeslayer: "system wide settings will be cleared" - sounds like it saves the package list, reinstalls and installs what's missing later09:32
shadeslayerheh09:33
shadeslayerxnox would know09:33
hayalciHi, I could not find detailed info about Kubuntu mirrors. I have set up a Kubuntu mirror, who should I contact to add our mirror to the main Kubuntu web page ?10:23
shadeslayer!mirrors10:29
ubottuKubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php10:29
shadeslayerhmm10:29
shadeslayerhayalci: iso mirror or archive mirror?10:30
shadeslayerhayalci: and I would recommend reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors10:31
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baffone85hello12:13
baffone85i have easycap usb, i take video but i don't take audio. Can you help me?12:14
baffone85i use it with my camera12:14
baffone85can you help me?12:34
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Lynourebaffone85: at least for me, external mics always start muted12:38
Lynoureactually, internal too.12:38
baffone85my camera haven't input for mic12:42
baffone85for external mic12:42
baffone85do you use vlc for capture video?12:43
BluesKajHey all12:50
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BluesKaj!suggested-packages13:04
BluesKaj!suggested packages13:04
BluesKaj!info suggested13:05
ubottuPackage suggested does not exist in quantal13:05
yofel_what are you looking for?13:05
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BluesKajyofel, for an explanation factoid about suggested packages that someone was asking about , so I thought I'd clutter this chat instead of the busy one :)13:07
yofelyou mean what suggested packages are?13:07
yofelthis would be the official and complex explenation http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps13:08
BluesKajyeah, but pici already expalined it13:08
yofelah ok13:08
KvaksIf I create an LVM group within which I have logical volumes for / and /home, will a fresh installation of (K)Ubuntu easily let me keep the /home intact like I could if it was a traditional partition?13:08
KvaksIf I have the LVM setup before installing (K)Ubuntu, I mean.13:08
Piciyay13:09
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AhoxHi, since my upgrade to 12.10 my akonadi & mysql both use more than 100%cpu, any idea how to solve this?14:36
BluesKajAhox, are you using kmail/kontact for email etc , these require akonadi server and nepomuk daemon14:38
Ahoxyes i am - but why should akonadi use 100% cpu and this for over an hour now?14:39
BluesKajAhox, dunno , good question , maybe nepomuk is indexing and it's tied to akonadi14:40
DarthFrogAhox: It's probably doing an initial catalogue.14:41
AhoxDarthFrog, BluesKaj: Nepomuk is not running, I also disabled the file indexer14:42
DarthFrogAhox: In that case, I can't tell you what's going on.14:44
BluesKajDarthFrog, doesn't akonadi depend on the file indexer/neopomuk for info , I'm wondering if it's  running on the spot waiting for info14:50
BluesKajthat's just a guess of course :)14:53
DarthFrogBluesKaj: I've never really looked into Akonadi/Nepomuk.  I remain unsure about the value of this "semantic desktop" as so far it seems to be only a waste of resources.  And gets in my way when I try to use Alt-F2.14:54
BluesKajyeah DarthFrog , I'm sort of old school , i still use krusader for file searches14:55
DarthFrogIt seems to me to be like Activities: a major feature of KDE but is poorly explained to/understood by users.14:55
DarthFrogKrusader?  never used it.  I use locate.14:56
DarthFrogHmm, Krusader looks to be an implementation of the ancient DOS twin pane file manager.  What was it called?  X Tree Gold or something like that?14:58
SIR_TacoDarthFrog: haha... forgot about that program15:00
* DarthFrog <- officially an old fart. :-)15:01
* BluesKaj is an old guy ...officially a senior citizen ...a title I try to forget :)15:02
DarthFrogUntil it involves a discount. :-)15:03
BluesKajnot many of those anymore ..saves a few bucks on bank charges tho15:04
Aisonjust tried to intall kubuntu, but I noticed that it is not possible to install it to a software raid?!?15:33
Aisonquantal15:34
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hayalcishadeslayer: We are already mirroring ubuntu archive and CD, it seems that for the last two releases, kubuntu has a separate mirror list. We started mirroring the ISOs now.16:15
shadeslayerhmmm ... I don't think we have a separate mirror list16:16
shadeslayeratleast none that I know of16:16
* shadeslayer checks what ubuntu does16:18
hayalciDownload page ate kubuntu.org sends to cdimage.ubuntu.com, and below that there is a list of *three* mirrors.16:18
hayalciubuntu download page sends the user to various mirrors, in a round robin fashion16:20
shadeslayerrigt16:20
shadeslayer*right16:20
shadeslayerat some point in the past we had a proper redirector16:20
hayalcipreviously, kubuntu iso's were included in ubuntu release mirrors. For the last two releases, they are not included.16:21
* shadeslayer asks someone16:21
BluesKajhayalci, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download16:31
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hayalciBluesKaj: I have no trouble downloading Kubuntu. I'm setting up a Kubuntu mirror and trying to find a contact point for the web site.16:35
BluesKajhayalci, ok , good luck :)16:36
douglBluesKaj, you still here... need to chat about a computer that is failing and was wondering your thots.16:59
BluesKajdougl, failing how?17:01
douglBluesKaj, 12.04 hangs while doing 'stress -c 2k -i 2k' and windows 7 restarts after playing fallout (game) for about 10 minutes....17:02
douglis a nice machine that I can inherit if I want but I cannot figer out where to start...17:03
BluesKajdougl, does it have dedicated pci graphics card or is it onboard graphics17:03
dougldediecated gt430 by evga that I just replaced last month17:04
douglgot a rma and evga replaced it for me17:04
zetherooI am trying to get gtalk to work in Kopete ...17:04
zetheroono luck so far17:04
douglthat is what I thot it was17:04
* dougl googling gtalk17:05
BluesKajrma?17:05
douglreturn to manufacturer authorization number - sorry17:05
zetheroodoes Kopete support voice calls with Google?17:07
BluesKajdougl, sounds like it could be overheating the cpu17:09
BluesKaj!kopete | zetheroo17:09
ubottuzetheroo: Instant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) supports MSN, Jabber, AIM, YIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and, in KDE 3, IRC. See also !Pidgin17:09
dougllol - that is a good place to start zetheroo ... but I don't know if it does - not much point in trying to get it to work if it does not support  it...17:09
douglzetheroo, I am not laughing at you rather with you :)17:10
zetheroohmm17:10
zetherooseems to work for the last poster here http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=90138#p17060117:10
douglzetheroo, why not skype?17:10
BluesKajthere is a #kopete chatroom zetheroo , but's not very populated17:11
douglBluesKaj, is there a utility to watch temp of cpu for 12.04?17:11
zetherooBluesKaj: yes, I noticed17:11
rekcuFniarBsensors17:12
douglzetheroo, seems pretty straight foreward... where are you hung up?17:13
douglrekcuFniarB, thanks17:14
BluesKajdougl, sometimes adding a graphics card puts more stress on the power supply , be sure the pc PSU can handle the extra load17:15
zetheroodougl: he says "- Then go to Google Talk option. This will be available if you are using the latest version probably.17:17
zetheroo- Check the "Enable google talk libjingle (GTalk/Gmail) option." ...17:17
zetherooI don't have any Google Talk option17:18
zetherooand nothing either about libjingle17:18
douglzetheroo, and you are using the latest version?17:19
zetherooversion 1.2.517:20
zetheroojust installed it17:20
douglBluesKaj, what do you make of this -> "MB Temperature:      +49.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)"17:20
douglI did not even know a motherboard could over heat...17:21
BluesKajthat's actually quite cool for cpu17:21
BluesKajcpuinfo17:22
Torchnot for board temp though. max recommended is 4017:22
douglthat is for the MB... cpu is even lower at 3017:22
douglcpuinfo not found17:23
douglTorch, what would make the mobo overheat... there is just an idle desktop and I ssh'd in17:24
Torchdougl: bad airflow in your case17:24
Torchdougl: or a hot GPU17:25
douglI am running topless17:25
Torchdougl: what do you mean with that?17:25
douglmy case is open... is theere a seperate util to check gpu temp?17:25
Torchdougl: nvidia-settings for nvidia GPUs17:26
Torchdougl: leaving the case open does not necessarily help the board temp as is does not help airflow17:26
douglgood point.17:26
Torchdougl: i've spent a few summers with p4-prescotts back then ;-)17:27
douglgpu = 5817:28
Torchdougl: that's fine17:28
SIR_Tacoruns cooler than mine :)17:28
* dougl really appreciates the help from the channel17:29
Torchdougl: an additional 120mm case fan might help17:29
Torchdougl: slow running, quiet,  â‚¬2017:29
douglTorch, already have one... was in there from new and has been replaced once - but all fans work fine...17:30
Torchdougl: at the back of the case blowing air OUT of the case?17:30
douglthe video card fan was making funny noise that is why we replaced that17:30
douglyes exhaust at back17:31
douglTorch should put the side on tho so the flow goes accross the board...17:31
Torchdougl: yes, fans only help as long as the air flow is working as it is supposed to17:31
douglthe antec sonata II also had duct work to pipe external air right over top of the cpu... I have since removed that17:33
techheadztest17:33
techheadzLoving Kubuntu 12.1017:34
genii-aroundtechheadz: Test succeeded!17:34
lordievadertechheadz: Good to hear :)17:34
techheadzBeen on Ubuntu for a few years and fancy a change17:34
techheadzNot really getting on with the Unity17:34
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BluesKajBBL18:00
dougllater18:01
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douglTorch, you still here... 105 deg gpu running glxgears sound normal?18:48
douglcrash!18:49
DarthFrogdougl: No, it doesn't.  Glxgears isn't particularly a 3D stress test.18:49
lordievaderdougl: Check your cooling!18:50
douglDarthFrog, thanks... not sure what to do here - what a waste of a machine...18:50
dougllordievader, I was/am/did18:50
dragosHi! I had an Ubuntu 11.04 installed on my laptop but it used the open source driver formy nvidia video card. I installed official nvidia video card, then I reboot, I was not sattisfied because after abouut 15 minutes or so some of the windows I tried to open became blank( like google chrome, or firefox)18:50
DarthFrogdougl: What graphics card do you have?  Which driver are you using?18:50
lordievaderdougl: The fan is spinning?18:50
lordievaderdragos: What exactly is your question? Also how did you install the official driver? Through the jockey?18:51
douglDarthFrog, lordievader  one month old gt430 (evga) with propietary drivers installed thru jockey18:52
dougllordievader, fan is working18:52
DarthFrogdougl: The thermal paste might be non-functional.18:52
dragosSo I removed the official driver but I didn't reboot, and I installed a very nice green linux mint theme for ubuntu but there was and error asking me if I want to still use it because something was missing18:53
dragosbut I remained with that theme ... and after 15 minutes I shut down my laptop18:54
dragosand when I boot it again I didn't let me use ubuntu, it showed me a black screen18:55
dragoslordievader: I did not finished my question at that point!18:55
lordievaderdragos: Sorry, your driver install is probably broken.18:56
dragosWhat is the best thing I can do?18:56
lordievaderdragos: How did you install the driver?18:56
dragosI wouldn't want to reinstall the OS18:56
dragosI installed the driver from18:56
dragosSystem>administration>additional drivers18:57
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lordievaderdougl: I'm not sure how it is with nVidia, but on my ATI it can get really hot before the fan really kicks-in. Usually it runs at 25% speed.18:57
dragoslike it is recommended on the ubuntu site18:57
lordievaderdragos: Ok can you still get to a tty? (ctrl + alt + F1)18:57
dragosI tried that..no18:58
dougllordievader, DarthFrog seems to be a mobo error or graphics error by the sounds of the beeps upon trying to reboot after hang... gpu was over 100 and mobo was at 50 deg18:59
dragosI tried shift or esc...not sure.. to enter therecovery mode but I received a black screenn with white text18:59
dragosI made a picture of it18:59
lordievaderdragos: The recovery also doesn't work?18:59
dragosWould you want to look at it18:59
dragos?18:59
lordievaderdragos: Hmm, that makes things difficult. Yes please.19:00
dragosSeems not19:00
lordievader!paste | dragos19:01
ubottudragos: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.19:01
ptomblinHas anybody tried one of those really high res Korean IPS screens?  What video card works well?19:02
dragoslordievader: http://imagebin.org/23299119:03
lordievaderdragos: That image is when you try to boot into the recovery mode?19:04
dragosyes19:04
dragosand the last lines of text are written by me19:05
lordievaderdragos: Does it freeze there? Or is it still just doing things? Did you get a menu?19:05
dragoskind of19:06
dragosbecause it let's me insert text ....19:06
dragosbut it doesn't do anything with it19:07
dragosit's not  used like a command line19:07
lordievaderdragos: For how long did you let it run, while not getting the menu?19:07
dragosI did not get any menu19:09
dragoswell tens of minutes19:09
lordievaderdragos: Hmm, that is too bad. I'm not sure what to do now. I'd say reinstall is the easiest, however you've said you didn't want to, may I ask why you do not want to reinstall?19:10
dragosAnd them I shut it down again( If I get nothing in 10  minutes I don't think I'll get in  1 day)19:10
dragosI have my pidgin discussion, my Tomboy notes, my bookmarks from my browser on it19:11
dragosFor Tomboy notes it's hard to import them to a new OS... but now I don't know  how I will manage to export them19:12
dragosbecause I can't access the OS19:12
lordievaderdragos: Isn't all of that stored in /home?19:13
dragosI maybe yes19:13
dragosMaybe yes19:13
dragosI'm not sure19:14
lordievaderdragos: Typically those are stored in /home/<user>19:14
dragosBTW, do you use Ubuntu or something else?19:14
lordievaderdragos: That is why it is good practice to keep /home on a different partition, then you can easily reinstall the system while keeping your data.19:14
dragosMany people suggested me that Linux mint is far more stable19:14
lordievaderdragos: I run on all my systems (K)ubuntu. And never had any real issue with it, biggest issue are the ati drivers...19:15
dragosI've used Kubuntu in the past and I had issues with it19:16
dragos:)... I tried to use Oracle  VM  with  windows XP on it and Kubuntu crushed19:16
lordievaderdragos: You do know that you are currently in #kubuntu and not #ubuntu19:17
lordievader?19:17
dragoswell yes... But I just installed konversation and it opened #kubuntu by default19:18
dragosI don't know why?19:18
lordievaderdragos: Because its a kde program I think.19:18
dragos(I'm using ubuntu on this computer also)19:18
dragosUhh19:18
dragos:)19:18
lordievaderdragos: Do you have  /home on a separate partition?19:19
* yofel notes that if you install k/ubuntu over an existing installation without re-partitioning or formatting it will try to keep the contents of /home intact19:22
yofelhm19:23
yofeldragos: do you know how to edit the boot setting in grub?19:23
DarthFrogyofel: Now I didn't know that.  that's a wonderful feature.  Almost makes up for the Amazon ads.19:24
yofelyou could try to add 'init=/bin/bash' to the kernel command line, that should skip most of the system bootup and give you a shell you can use19:24
yofelremove 'quiet splash' when you do that19:24
lordievaderDarthFrog: Those aren't in Kubuntu right?19:25
yofelDarthFrog: that has already been there for a few releases, so has nothing to do with any weird lenses :P19:25
DarthFroglordievader: No they're not.  It's a Unity lens.19:25
dragosyofel: I don't think so19:25
lordievaderDarthFrog: That's what I thought ;)19:26
dragoslordievader: I think Yes'19:26
yofeldragos: try to get to the grub menu by holding the left shift key pressed after the bios screen19:26
DarthFrogyofel: Yabbut i just found out about that feature from you now. :-)  So it is a reaction to the current situation, not to my previous ignorance of past achievments.19:26
dragosAt least on this computer... But I think also on the one with the problem19:26
lordievaderdragos: Ok that is good :), but first try yofel's suggestion, better to fix it than to ignore and reinstall.19:27
DarthFrogI'm downloading Ubuntu 12.10 now and am going to install it on an external drive, just to see what all the fuss is about.19:27
dragosit said  Grub loading19:27
lordievaderDarthFrog: For Kubuntu not much has changed.19:27
dragosnow it's purple screen19:28
yofeldo you have a line that says 'Ubuntu' ?19:28
dragosnow it's black again19:28
dragos:(19:28
DarthFroglordievader: I'm running Quantal right now.  It's Ubuntu I want to see.19:28
yofel:/19:28
dragosNo19:28
dragosIt was only purple background, no Ubuntu text19:29
lordievaderDarthFrog: Ah I see, haven't said a thing.19:29
* yofel looks at the grub documentation again19:30
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yofeldragos: try again by holding the right shift key19:31
dragosyofel19:38
dragosit worked19:38
dragosI see a menu19:38
dragosBut I'mnot sure what to select19:38
yofelok, wait19:38
dragosI have the following options19:38
yofelyou'll want to edit the 'Ubuntu' entry19:39
dragosUbuntu, with linux2.6.38-15-generic19:39
dragosUbuntu, with linux2.6.38-15-generic (recovery mode)19:39
dragosprevioues ubuntu versions19:39
dragosmemory test (memtest86+)19:39
dragosand memory test (memtest86+,serial console 115200')19:40
dragosyofel? I'm not sure what you mean19:40
dragosto edit the name?19:40
yofelsorry, my wifi kicked me out19:42
yofeldragos: select the first entry, and press 'e' to edit it I think (it says which key to press for edit below the selection window)19:43
dragosDid you see what I typed19:43
dragos?19:43
yofelyes19:43
dragoshttp://pastebin.com/uCWzdFSJ19:44
dragosso not the recovery mode( i.e. the second entry)?19:45
dragosOk19:45
yofelI saw it19:45
dragosI typed e19:45
yofelyou don't need to rename the name, you need to change a part of the configuration19:45
dragosok19:45
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yofeldragos: open? you'll have a line that starts with 'linux /boot/...' in there19:47
dragosYes there is a  small number of lines that I can edit19:48
dragosI see the line you are talkingabout'19:49
yofelgo to the line that I said, remove 'quiet splash' if it's in there19:49
yofeland append 'init=/bin/bash' to it (append! not a new line)19:49
yofelthen press ctrl+x or what it was to boot (again explained at the bottom)19:50
yofeldo you get to a shell prompt?19:52
dragoslinux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-15-generic root=UUID=45714b73-5bc9-4c2a-a9eb-3e2b2ec6b2a4 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=719:53
dragosyofel19:53
yofelok wait19:53
yofelreplace with19:53
dragosThat's the line19:53
yofellinux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-15-generic root=UUID=45714b73-5bc9-4c2a-a9eb-3e2b2ec6b2a4 ro init=/bin/bash19:53
yofelthe vt.handoff isn't important19:54
dragosok19:55
dragosyofel: there's a command line19:56
dragosroot@(none):/#19:56
yofellordievader: can you take over from here please? I need to go and won'be coming back until ~half an hour19:56
lordievaderyofel: Maybe, I can see what I can do.19:57
dragosyofel: how much would you expect it will  take19:58
dragos?19:58
dragosHalf an  hour  it's not that  much...19:58
lordievaderdragos: He means he is gone for half an hour.19:58
dragosYes!19:59
dragosI understand that19:59
lordievaderdragos: Let's first uninstall the drivers, you are root right?19:59
dragosI can wait... But as he said19:59
dragosIf you think you know what your are doing I can follow your advice20:00
SIR_Taco:)20:00
dragosI typed above. It says:20:00
lordievaderdragos: I think that I do... But my thoughts may not be the truth.20:00
andreasHi guys , can someone tell me, if cloning  a HDD to SSD with Clonezilla is possible?20:00
dragosroot@(none):/#20:00
SIR_Tacoandreas: can't see why it would be any different than HDD to HDD20:01
dragosusually it was root@dragos since that is my username20:01
lordievaderdragos: Ok good, run "apt-get remove nvidia-current nvidia-current-updates nvidia-settings nvdia-settings-updates"20:01
dragosok20:01
lordievaderdragos: It is probably running in single-user mode.20:01
andreas@SIR_Taco   thought so too, but i heard about problems  like cloned operation systems might be unstable or something20:02
lordievaderdragos: That should remove the driver that was installed by the jockey, so in other words it should revert to the normal/basic driver again.20:02
lordievaderdragos: Mesa or whatever it is nowadays.20:03
dragosUhh'20:04
dragosIt says20:04
SIR_Tacoandreas: haven't heard that myself, but honestly I haven't worked with them that often20:04
dragosw:not  using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock20:05
dragose:unable to write to /var/cache/apt/20:05
lordievaderandreas: Is the SSD the same size or larger?20:05
lordievader!paste | dragos20:05
ubottudragos: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.20:05
dragosI don't have an SSD20:05
dragosOK20:06
lordievaderdragos: That was to someone else.20:06
andreasits gonna be smaller20:06
dragosYes20:06
lordievaderdragos: Is the drive mounted read-only?20:06
dragosMounted as in?:('20:06
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andreaslordievader: better take 1 @ same size ?20:06
lordievaderdragos: Can you make a file/folder on the drive?20:07
dragoswhen it  worked yes20:07
lordievaderandreas: Well I think (I do not have any experience in it) that cloning a drive requires the secondary drive to be of the same size or bigger.20:07
dragosshould I try now to make one from the command line20:07
dragos?20:07
lordievaderdragos: Yes, something like: mkdir Test20:08
dragosit says20:08
dragosmkdir: cannot create directory 'Test': Read-only file system20:08
lordievaderdragos: Ok so it is mounted read-only, to mount it read-write I see here that you need to following command: mount -o remount,rw /20:10
andreaslordievader: hmmm ok,  checking the web didnt give me a relevant result either... seems that not many people do that kind of stuff lol .20:10
andreasThank u anyway guys , u  r gr8 :)20:10
lordievaderdragos: Then just to test try to make the folder again.20:11
dragosit says20:11
dragosaaa ok20:11
dragosNo error this time20:11
lordievaderdragos: Ok good.20:12
dragosfor the mkdir Test20:12
yofelre20:12
dragosI should run the Nvidia uninstall command now?20:12
lordievaderHey yofel are you back?20:12
yofelandreas: you could try to rsync the filesystem contents from a disk to the other and then do the normal grub recovery process to get the system to boot20:13
yofelthat's what I do if I replace disks20:13
lordievaderdragos: Yes, it should now be able to remove the driver.20:13
andreasyofel: i will give both, rsync and clonezilla a try .. good idea (easy as it is)  thx20:14
yofelandreas: just make sure you get the options right so the user/group ownership and permissions don't get messed up20:15
yofeldragos: uninstall the driver as lordievader said, and move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way after that20:15
dragoslordievader..it  seems some of  them are Done but i stil received 2 errors for the updates20:15
lordievaderdragos: I'm sorry, what errors?20:16
dragosE:unable to locate package nvidia-current-updates and E:unable to locate package nvidia-settings-updates20:16
lordievaderdragos: Hmm, ok, well remove those two packages from the command.20:17
yofelwait20:17
yofelthose packages don't exist in natty20:17
yofeldragos: that's fine, now remove/rename your xorg.conf20:19
yofeldragos: just to make sure, it *did* remove the other packages?20:19
dragosOk I think it worked this time. The last line was Proccessing triggers fro python-support ...20:20
yofelsounds good20:20
dragosso I should type cd /etc/X11 and then rm xorg.conf ?20:23
yofelyes20:24
lordievaderdragos: I'd say rename it: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak20:24
marizhello, i'm having a login screen problem since i upgraded to 12.10; it's blue and very buggy!20:24
lordievadermariz: Could you give some more details?20:25
dragosok20:25
dragosI typed lordievader's command and there's  no error20:26
marizlordievader: yes sorry; i mean, instead of having the normal kde/kubuntu login screen, i get a weird blue login screen (still with login/password fields) but the interface is really buggy and the background is blue20:26
lordievadermariz: Is it kdm? When I upgraded to 12.10 I got lightdm, could be that this install was originally a Ubuntu one, don't remember. Also KDM got corrupted, had to reinstall KDM to get it working again.20:28
BluesKajmariz, , but can you login at all20:28
marizBluesKaj: yes i can login20:28
marizBluesKaj: but for instance, if i write a wrong password, then i need to reboot my computer :( (the interface gets stucked)20:28
BluesKaj12;10 default is lightdm , remove KDM perhaps20:29
SIR_TacoBluesKaj: or visa versa20:29
lordievadermariz: Try dpkg-reconfigure kdm, with me that got an error saying it was corrupted.20:29
marizoh kdm is not installed; i thought actually20:29
marizi thought i was on kdm20:30
genii-aroundmariz: Is lightdm-kde-greeter installed?20:30
dragoslordievader: Am I done?20:30
BluesKajSIR_Taco, was thinking kdm being corrupt could be the problem20:30
lordievaderdragos: I do think so, reboot and see if the normal driver works.20:30
SIR_TacoBluesKaj: I thought lightdm was default for 12.10? I may be mistaken20:31
marizgenii-around: yes20:31
marizso i don't need to install kdm?20:31
lordievadermariz: Depends, do you want KDM or LightDM?20:31
dragosok20:31
BluesKajSIR_Taco, you're correct Lightdm is default20:31
marizi don't know the difference lordievader20:31
dragoslordievader. I reboot, I did not press anything, and now It shows me the menu with Ubuntu options again?20:32
SIR_TacoI had problems with LightDM and the nouveau driver in the beta phase... pretty sure they fixed that thought20:32
lordievadermariz: They are quite similair, KDM was the default in 12.04 and previous. LightDM has been the default login manager for Ubuntu since 11.04 (or 11.10)20:32
marizok20:32
marizi'm fine with staying with the default (lightdm)20:33
dragosI pressed the first option now I;m waiting to  see what will happen20:33
lordievaderdragos: The menu where you can select the normal or recovery options?20:33
dragosYes20:33
lordievaderdragos: Ok then your choice is a good one :)20:34
dragosI didn't choose the recovery option!20:34
marizhow could i make a screenshot of my login screen?20:34
marizto show you how it looks20:34
dragosIt seems it worked20:34
lordievadermariz: I hope someone else can help you, I don't use LightDM myself and have no experience with it.20:34
dragosI'll reboot again too see if it's everything fine20:34
lordievaderdragos: Good to hear, is there a reason why you installed the official driver?20:35
marizlordievader: it's ok thanks20:36
dragoswell not a rell (productive) reason. I saw that I a 3d game of chess I installed didn't worked too good. After I installed the official driver itwas fine... But I can live without a chess game :))20:37
dragosAnd I'm curious  if I can use CUDA without the official drivers?20:37
marizgenii-around: should i reinstall it or something?20:37
lordievaderdragos: That is usually the trade-off, 3d things run good on the officials drivers though you run the risk of being greeted by black screens.20:38
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lordievaderdragos: I do not run nVidia, can't tell you.20:38
SIR_Tacomariz: https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2859   is the first thing I found for that20:38
dragosYou are right!20:38
SIR_Tacobrb20:39
yofeldragos: no, currently you need the nvidia driver for cuda.20:40
yofeldragos: there is work being done to make cuda available for the other driver too, but that probably won't be ready for another year or so :/20:41
genii-aroundmariz: Perhaps try instead: dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm  and make sure that you pick lightdm from the choices listed20:42
marizgenii-around: "kdm is broken or partially installed"20:42
dragosOk, everything works great! Thanks a lot!20:42
marizgenii-around: (i've just installed it and removed it again)20:43
natmanunable to shut down my laptop unless, wifi is disabled20:43
lordievadermariz: I knew it, kdm is corrupted :P20:43
natmanany way to fix this?20:43
genii-aroundmariz: Replace kdm with gdm then in the command, or lightdm   ( they are all supposed to just bring you to the same place though )20:43
dragosMay I ask you something? From where did you learned all this stuff? I would like to know do it myself  one day:)20:44
marizgenii-around: ok i made sure lightdm was the selected choice20:44
genii-arounddragos: Mostly empirical learning...20:44
lordievadernatman: Read the system logs, there is probably something there pointing to something that keeps the system from turning off.20:45
natmanlordievader: how do i go about that?20:45
genii-aroundNeed a reboot, will return20:45
lordievaderdragos: Jups lots of practice, reading and more of that sort. Also it helps to hang around in the irc channels.20:45
yofeldragos: same as lordievader for me, and I have a few years of experience in testing ubuntu alpha releases, those tend to break every now and then ;)20:46
dragosReading books about linux administration?20:46
dragosUhh so you also worked for the open source ubuntu project?20:46
lordievadernatman: Many (if not all) logs are kept in /var/log/, in there the syslog and dmesg logs are especially usefull.20:46
yofeldragos: sure, currently I'm kubuntu developer20:47
natmanlordievader: the only thing that made sense to me was http://paste.ubuntu.com/1301141/ but i was not really sure what i was looking for20:51
lordievadernatman: Run in a shell "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and then try to turn it off while keeping an eye on the shell. It might hang somewhere and generate an error.20:52
marizlordievader: do you know how could i fix kdm?20:54
natmanlordievader:  does the following help, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ij2f79&s=620:54
lordievadermariz: What I did to fix it was the following: sudo apt-get remove kdm; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kdm;20:54
marizok but i don't need kdm for lightdm right?20:55
lordievadernatman: Ah, there is your problem, / is not being unmounted. Something is keeping mount from unmounting the drive.20:55
qmtemhey guys, i have a question. i installed kubuntu with an encrypted partition. my setup is unencrypted /boot, encrypted /, encrypted swap, GRUB on MBR. i want to install windows server with bitlocker as a second OS. what should I do to back up my MBR and/or prepare to restore my GRUB install?20:56
lordievadermariz: I do not think so, no.20:56
natmanlordievader:  all i know is that if i disable wirelss, it shuts down normally20:56
lordievadernatman: Do you run an nfs server on it?20:56
lordievadernatman: Or do you share your drive?20:57
SIR_Tacomariz: I believe in a terminal/konsole. if you type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" it gives you the option to switch between kdm or lightdm, and will reconfigure them also20:57
natmanlordievader:  nope, its a dual boot with win7, worked fine until i updated from 1204 to 121020:57
marizSIR_Taco: ye i did that, and i put lightdm (but i think it was already on lightdm so it didn't fix the problem20:57
SIR_Tacomariz: ok, sorry, must have missed that part.20:58
lordievadernatman: Hmm, I'm sorry to say that nothing springs to mind, you could ask again here later perhaps someone comes online who does know the answer else you could try the forums: ubuntu-forums.org kubuntuforums.net21:00
natmanlordievader:  this is my third time here, and already have it on the forums :) thanks for the help. Do you think a fresh install would help?21:00
lordievadernatman: It might, though I'd first try to figure out what is keeping mount.21:02
natmanlordievader: okay, might be back later thanks again bye21:02
douglDamn video card - second one in as many months... really the 3rd... NO MORE EVGA!!!!21:06
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marizi'm having an issue with plasma-desktop, sometimes when my computer can't connect to a wifi spot (because it's out of reach for instance), plasma gets non responsive and i need to switch off the wifi (this is not a wifi problem, my wifi is working fine)21:13
mariz(with this error afterwards: http://i.imgur.com/2bTth.png)21:16
metap0dHi everyone, I just installed Kubuntu 12.10 but I don't think my Nvidia card has a driver installed? I tried googling how to check but the solution didn't work :/21:29
metap0dI own a GTX 460 and the additional drivers dialog didn't show anything there21:29
kellercw78metap0d Have you checked lsmod?21:29
metap0dkellercw78: I'm very new to this, I just ran it and saw video is powered by nouveu21:30
metap0dkellercw78: However performance seems really really low ... even on the menu in the bottom left it's like 1.5 seconds to go from favorites to applications21:31
metap0dbrb21:32
zacariasI added a repository (using sudo add-apt-repository) and everything seemed to work, at least reading the output. But when I try to get a source package from it, it doesn't find it. Also, I don't see the repository in the /var/lib/apt/lists directory, nor in Muon's software sources. Any help?21:33
kellercw78See this and see if it helps:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/140760/ubuntu-12-04-nvidia-gtx-460-video-card-installation21:33
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avihaythere's no issue sharing a swap folder between several OSs, as long as you don't hibernate one of them and try to run another, right?21:44
tsimpsonavihay: that's fine, assuming you mean file rather than folder21:45
avihaypartition21:45
tsimpsonavihay: also completely fine21:46
avihaythanks21:46
xixorhi everybody21:46
phillwhiyas Riddell, are you about?22:10
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Riddellphillw: hi22:30
douglwhat are you supposed to use in linux to load test your gpu?22:36
phillwhi Riddell, it's still somewhat beta stage (It's for storing the milestones during 13.04), but kubuntu does have a mirror at http://phillw.net/isos/ for 12.1022:37
phillwfeel free to link to is as a secondary mirror.22:37
phillwthe zero byte file for arm is being worked on - it's a wee bug in the zsync script!22:38
Riddellphillw: how about the header and footer to make http://phillw.net/isos/kubuntu/quantal/release/ look pretty?22:40
phillwRiddell: the pages are all standard html, each team is welcome to make them look pretty. We've been concentrating on the bare bones of getting it working for 13.04 :)22:42
phillwNicholas (balloons) would like an archive of all milestone releases available. you can see the general idea at http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/quantal/ Unit193 has only just expanded the script to catch the rest of the flavours.22:44
SIR_Tacodougl: not sure... you could start a bunch of HD videos I suppose22:44
Riddellphillw: we do make it pretty but you don't copy the prettyness22:44
Riddellhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/HEADER.html22:45
Riddelland http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/FOOTER.html22:45
Riddellthese things are surprisingly important :)22:45
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phillwI'm most likely going to use the simple heading at http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/ it's a mirror, not a web site :P22:46
phillwBut, I'll get them added to the html code for you guys.22:46
phillwRiddell: I'm just in the middle of rescuing my 2nd hard drive, can you email me the links to phillw@ubuntu.com so I have them in mail. This is a temp laptop and does not have any of my log in credentials for the server :)22:48
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phillwOh, and I will be archiving ubuntu images, just not mirroring them publicly - Doing so would probably swamp the server :)22:50
simplewwhere can i ask to package polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 ?22:54
sblahhhbonjour ^23:46

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