[00:06] <BlackBsd> Im having an issue where kde crashes when i do various things to some of the icons and other widgets on the destop task bar
[00:07] <BlackBsd> but not every widget
[00:07] <BlackBsd> the K, start widget works fine
[00:07] <BlackBsd> any application items i add crash once i try to click on them
[00:08] <BlackBsd> but not the widgets for the currently running applications.
[00:10] <BlackBsd> any ideas which log file might be usefull?, i was looking at my .xsession-errors
[00:15] <Copernicus2K> hey
[00:16] <Copernicus2K> how can i check what gpu driver i am using? if i am using nouveau or nvidia?
[00:17] <Copernicus2K> ?
[00:17] <BlackBsd> i think in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:17] <BlackBsd> that should tell you whats being loaded and used
[00:19] <xixor> Howdy y'all!
[00:20] <BlackBsd> hello
[00:21] <xixor> yo, can anyone shine some light on the proper way to install the Nvidia binary graphics driver for my GT 240?  Googling around, it seems that there are various ways: different PPAs, some recommend installing the binary blob directly from Nvidia, some go through the ubuntu hardware system.  Just wondering if there is "best practices" way to go about it?  Cheers
[00:25] <xixor> oh well, I will try going through the ubuntu/kubuntu additional drivers program
[00:25] <xixor> brb
[00:38] <xixor> yo
[00:39] <dougl> xixor, jockey something or another off the k will get ya there quickest
[00:40] <xixor> dougl: Cool, yeah, that is what I ended up going with, thanks
[00:40] <dougl> good
[00:41] <xixor> I just installed 12.10, looks pretty good
[00:49] <BlackBsd> idk which log file would provide a better idea which is wong with the kde session
[00:50] <BlackBsd> if i click on that red, blue, green widget, kde crashes and takes me back to the user logon screen.
[00:56] <xixor> so whats the deal with the KDE wallet?  Is it secure?  Do most people use it?
[00:58] <Belial`> i use it because it immediately bothers me by popping up when i try to connect after an install.
[00:58] <xixor> so it stores passwords for websites mainly?  I just find the whole thing very confusing
[00:59] <tsimpson> it can store passwords for pretty much anything
[00:59] <tsimpson> though it's not limited to passwords, any "private data" can be stored
[00:59] <xixor> I find KDE pretty confusing all together.  neopkum, strigli, akonadi, wallets, upon installation it feels like I am bombarded by notifications that these things are doing things, but I don't really know what they are all doing
[01:00] <Belial`> i turn off indexing immediately. not sure if things are fixed now, but it use to spike my cpu.
[01:00] <Belial`> as far as the rest, i just let them do their thing.
[01:00] <Belial`> never gets in the way.
[01:01] <xixor> indexing is the neopokum thing?
[01:01] <xixor> nepomuk rather
[01:01] <Belial`> yeah
[01:02] <Belial`> right click search file indexer, then i uncheck the desktop file indexer. because i really don't need it.
[01:02] <Belial`> it could be fixed by now though.
[01:02] <xixor> how does one use it?
[01:03] <BlackBsd> what is neopkum
[01:04] <Belial`> i believe what that particular feature does is when you search for something, it searches for keywords inside of documents themselves.
[01:04] <BlackBsd> any ideas on why kde would crash
[01:04] <Belial`> instead of just filenames.
[01:04] <xixor> so, for example, I am a little confused here.  I just ran Chromium, and ti is asking access to my wallet.  It needs a password, and I need to verify this password.  Is this wallet just for google chrome?  Or am I setting my global master password for my personal wallet?  Does Chromium get access only to the Chromium wallet?  Or does it have access to absolutely everything I put in there?
[01:04] <BlackBsd> oh
[01:04] <BlackBsd> no the wallet is a way for kde to store its passwords that you use in various applications
[01:05] <xixor> so each application gets it's own wallet?
[01:07] <BlackBsd> each app can have a seprate entry into your wallet, where that app can store a password or something for you
[01:08] <BlackBsd> then if you give an application access to use your wallet, it can remember the passwords that  you have given
[01:08] <xixor> so, once the wallet is open, can any website just grab passwords?
[01:09] <tsimpson> the website doesn't access the password, only the local application (the browser in this case)
[01:09] <BlackBsd> if you give that program, chromium, permission to access your wallet
[01:10] <BlackBsd> when it goes to page x, which requires the username and password, they can be autofilled in..
[01:10] <BlackBsd> has anyone installed 12.10?
[01:11] <xixor> BlackBsd: I installed 12.10 a few minutes ago
[01:11] <BlackBsd> my issue seems to be related to the startbar widgets
[01:11] <Belial`> what's the issue, BlackBsd ?
[01:12] <BlackBsd> if i click on them or move my mouse over areas of the start bar, everything seems to crash and i have to re-log in..  any ideas as to what log i could try to look into?
[01:12] <BlackBsd> if i click on that  widget that is the redblue green contol, i think my xsession dies.
[01:13] <BlackBsd> but i can use the K start widget.
[01:13] <BlackBsd> idk if its a kde problem, and X problem?
[01:13] <Belial`> is this a fresh install?
[01:13] <BlackBsd> yes
[01:14] <Belial`> i was going to suggest moving (not deleting) you ~/.kde folder
[01:14] <Belial`> and logging out/in to see if that fixes it.
[01:14] <Belial`> if it doesn't, move the folder back to ~/.kde so you retain your settings.
[01:15] <BlackBsd> its a xps desktop, nvidia card, but i think its using the naviho driver
[01:15] <Belial`> nouveau?
[01:15] <Belial`> did you try using a different driver?
[01:15] <BlackBsd> no, not yet
[01:16] <BlackBsd> i have had issues when i tried installing ubuntu then installing kde-full
[01:16] <BlackBsd> same issue
[01:16] <Belial`> and this time you're using kubuntu?
[01:16] <BlackBsd> yes
[01:16] <rozmuq> BlackBsd,  what distro?
[01:16] <BlackBsd> i have also tried to add a program launch botton to the task bar.
[01:16] <BlackBsd> i am using kubuntu-12.10
[01:16] <BlackBsd> fresh install
[01:17] <Belial`> are desktop effects enabled?
[01:17] <xixor> is google in the apt sources.list by default?  I added it, but it is there twice for some reason, so just curious if something in kubuntu-restricted-extras, or somethign else added it?
[01:17] <BlackBsd> if i click on the "show activity manager" kde seems to crash and take me back to the user logon section
[01:17] <BlackBsd> but still in X
[01:18] <BlackBsd> i think its lightdm
[01:18] <Belial`> if desktop effects are enabled, try disabling them and test it.
[01:18] <rozmuq> BlackBsd,  64bit?
[01:18] <BlackBsd> yes 64 bit
[01:18] <rozmuq> BlackBsd,  i had almost the same issue in mint 13 kde 64bit
[01:18] <rozmuq> and i tried anything
[01:18] <rozmuq> asked people
[01:19] <BlackBsd> rozmuq, i had similar issues with ubuntu where compiz kept crashing
[01:19] <rozmuq> :/
[01:19] <BlackBsd> is the desktop effects in the system settings
[01:19] <Belial`> yes
[01:20] <BlackBsd> do i have to log out and log back in?
[01:21] <Belial`> you shouldn't have to, but it couldn't hurt.
[01:23] <BlackBsd> no, i crashed again
[01:24] <BlackBsd> i seemed to be able to expand the activity manager section of the start bar but it still crashed
[01:25] <xixor> so, do any of you use Activities?
[01:25] <xixor> There are so many strange things in KDE I just can't seem to get my head around
[01:25] <BlackBsd> i just clicked on it.
[01:26] <BlackBsd> then once i clicked on the konsole widget that i added to the start bar, it carshed..  briefly looked like i saw some text on a black terminal then the gui, logon page, showed back up
[01:32] <Belial`> BlackBsd, try using the nvidia driver and see if that does anything.
[01:32] <Belial`> it sounds like driver issues if the same thing happens in compiz.
[01:33] <BlackBsd> i think i have this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1069151
[01:34] <BlackBsd> are there docs on enabling the nvidia drivers?
[01:34] <BlackBsd> sorry for the noob question
[01:34] <BlackBsd> its been awhile..
[01:34] <Belial`> alt+f2 and type in "jockey"
[01:34] <Belial`> it'll pull up "additional drivers"
[01:34] <Belial`> click that
[01:35] <BlackBsd> i think i need to make sure i have kernel-headers first?
[01:35] <Belial`> it should take care of it for you.
[01:36] <Belial`> it doesn't do any compiling.
[01:36] <Belial`> it'll check to see if you have any proprietary drivers available for your hardware.
[01:36] <Belial`> if you do, i suggest trying one of the nvidia drivers.
[01:37] <BlackBsd> i have 3 available listed
[01:37] <BlackBsd> experimental nvidia and a current and a current-updates
[01:37] <BlackBsd> hmm, i guess current-updates
[01:37] <Belial`> i'd use current
[01:37] <DarthFrog> I use current-updates.  Works for me: GTX570
[01:38] <Belial`> yeah, you can try all of them and see which one works best.
[01:38] <BlackBsd> i have gt 640
[01:38] <DarthFrog> Current and current-updates should be the same now.
[01:38] <DarthFrog> i.e. in Quantal.
[01:38] <BlackBsd> where is my xorg.conf located?
[01:38] <DarthFrog>  /etc/X11
[01:39] <tsimpson> you probably don't have one
[01:39] <BlackBsd> last time i tried, i think my screen resolution got jacked up..
[01:39] <BlackBsd> you might be right, i dont know if i do have one, i looked and could not find it.
[01:39] <BlackBsd> ok here goesa
[01:40] <BlackBsd> in the event that something goes wrong, is it easy to switch back to the stock driver?
[01:40] <DarthFrog> BlackBsd:  "sudo updatedb"  creates a searchable database of your file system.  Search it with the "locate" command.
[01:40] <BlackBsd> thanks i didnt know i had locate
[01:41] <DarthFrog> "locate" doesn't do jack, until "updatedb" has been run.
[01:41] <BlackBsd> so since i dont have one, i guess my x server starts up with all defaults?
[01:42] <BlackBsd> when i was using gentoo back in the day i had it where i started up to a terminal and then  i would have to run startx to get up into the gui.
[01:42] <BlackBsd> kde 3.x i think. :-/
[01:45] <DarthFrog> The X driver model has changed since those days.  Intelligence is in the driver now, not in xorg.conf.
[01:45] <BlackBsd> oh, and modelines?
[01:45] <BlackBsd> i used to press ctrl alt and +/-
[01:46] <BlackBsd> to switch different resolutions
[01:46] <DarthFrog> I've not done that in years.  Use "krandr" to set your resolution.
[01:46] <BlackBsd> ok.
[01:47] <BlackBsd> let me reboot and try to log back in... brb
[01:47] <DarthFrog> In a nutshell, nothing *needs* to be done at the command line these days.  Some (including me) prefer it, though.
[01:47] <DarthFrog> No need to reboot.
[01:48] <BlackBsd> the dialog just told me to reboot
[01:48] <BlackBsd> dont x have to restart?
[01:48] <DarthFrog> Eh, just log out, restart the X server and log in again.
[01:48] <BlackBsd> how do i restart x
[01:48] <DarthFrog> X, yes.  the system, no.
[01:48] <BlackBsd> ctrl alt backspace?
[01:48] <DarthFrog> Alt-SysReq-K (use the Shift key).
[01:49] <DarthFrog> it's a test of your manual dexterity. :-)
[01:49] <BlackBsd> what is SysReq?
[01:49] <BlackBsd> lol
[01:50] <BlackBsd> i dont think a log out restarts x, does it?
[01:50] <DarthFrog> it's a key on your keyboard.  Look at PrtSc.
[01:50] <DarthFrog> No, it doesn't.
[01:50] <DarthFrog> but a log out properly closes your apps and saves your data.
[01:51] <BlackBsd> im probably not doing that key combo correctly
[01:51] <DarthFrog> No harm in rebooting. :-)
[01:52] <BlackBsd> :-/  brb
[01:55] <BlackBsd> Darth... I think that worked. :-)
[01:55] <BlackBsd> U  the man..
[01:56] <BlackBsd> so is this open souce driver, buggy huh?
[01:56] <tsimpson> well the closed source driver is buggy, try both and see which is the least buggy for you :)
[01:57] <BlackBsd> :-), well from a fresh install the open source driver was not being very usefull
[01:57] <BlackBsd> :-)
[01:57] <BlackBsd> but thats cool.
[01:57] <BlackBsd> in general do i not need to setup an xorg.conf file any longer?
[01:58] <tsimpson> you usually don't need to, the X server is (normally) capable of detecting your hardware and auto-magically configuring itself
[01:59] <BlackBsd> sweet..  so is it possible to still start up to a non-gui terminal and having to startx into the system when i am ready?
[02:00] <tsimpson> possible: yes, simple: not so much
[02:00] <tsimpson> Ubuntu (and Kubuntu etc) are really geared to starting an X session
[02:01] <tsimpson> though you can always just Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a terminal
[02:01] <tsimpson> and Alt-F7 to get back
[02:01] <BlackBsd> ahh
[02:02] <BlackBsd> yeah... thanks
[02:02] <BlackBsd> so im also getting used to the k/ubuntu sytems.
[02:03] <BlackBsd> is there also some non-free packages
[02:03] <tsimpson> yes, though it depends what you mean by "non-free"
[02:04] <BlackBsd> well the non-standard packages that i can install that will give me different codecs
[02:04] <BlackBsd> and playing mp3, flash, dvd
[02:04] <BlackBsd> still learning apt-get
[02:04] <tsimpson> yeah, those are the kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons packages
[02:05] <BlackBsd> what is the differenece between extras and addons?
[02:05] <tsimpson> kubuntu-restricted-extras depends on kubuntu-restricted-addons, so they are designed to be installed together
[02:07] <jmichaelx> do we still have both mplayer & mplayer2 in the repos, or is mplayer (v1) gone?
[02:07] <BlackBsd> right on..
[02:07] <BlackBsd> i remember kmplayer.
[02:08] <tsimpson> jmichaelx: mplayer is mplayer (v1)
[02:09] <jmichaelx> tsimpson: ok, i am a bit confused with what i'm looking at.... if i do 'aptitude show mplayer', i see a line that says 'provided by: mplayer2'
[02:11] <tsimpson> jmichaelx: mplayer2 "provides" the package "mplayer" so that other packages that depend on mplayer being installed don't break because you happen to have mplayer2 instead
[02:12] <tsimpson> if you notice that mplayer has a Conflicts: mplayer2, and mplayer2 has a Conflicts: mplayer
[02:12] <jmichaelx> i'm not seeing mplayer2 anywhere
[02:12] <tsimpson> so they can't be both installed, but both can works as "mplayer"
[02:12] <jmichaelx> in the repos, i mean
[02:12] <tsimpson> !info mplayer2
[02:13] <jmichaelx> ok, tyvm
[02:13] <jmichaelx> i am seeing mplayer2, after all
[02:14] <BlackBsd> so if i run apt-get dist-upgrade, will all software and dependicies check for upgrades?
[02:14] <jmichaelx> not sure what to think about the word 'bad' being in the mplayer2 package name 0.0
[02:14] <BlackBsd> after i have ran apt-get update
[02:15] <tsimpson> jmichaelx: that's just a hexadecimal string number 0-9 and letters a-f, it just so happens you can spell "bad" with that
[02:15] <tsimpson> (as well as deadbeaf)
[02:16] <tsimpson> BlackBsd: yes, dist-upgrade will install any updates and new packages that those updates need
[02:17] <BlackBsd> can i run it without specifying a package so it may run for all packages?
[02:17] <BlackBsd> nevermind
[02:17] <tsimpson> that's how it's intended to run it
[02:19] <jmichaelx> yay. switching to mplayer2 got VDPAU working again, and got me away from a bug i was running into with mplayer1 when playing internet radio streams
[02:22] <jmichaelx> i say it's working, but hi def videos still are not playing as smoothly as tthey should be
[02:24] <BlackBsd> how can i check to see if a particular package is installed?
[02:24] <BlackBsd> how do i know that i dont have firefox installed
[02:25] <BlackBsd> or chromium
[02:25] <tsimpson> from the command line?
[02:26] <BlackBsd> is there a way to query the apt package manager to see?
[02:26] <tsimpson> "apt-cache policy <package>" eg: "apt-cache policy firefox"
[02:26] <tsimpson> or you can use the Muon Package Manager
[02:27] <BlackBsd> apt-cache works well, thanks
[02:28] <xixor> yo.  So, once I hit ALT+F1 and type something into the Kmenu, and I have found someothing, how do I run it, without using the mouse?
[02:29] <BlackBsd> tab -- enter
[02:30] <BlackBsd> alt+f1 -- konsole -- tab -- ent
[02:31] <xixor> ah... for some reason... I couldn't figure that out on my own... je suis fail
[02:31] <tsimpson> apparently, and I just found this, press shift and you can select from the list
[02:31] <tsimpson> you don't have to keep shift pressed, just press it once
[02:32] <xixor> weird
[02:32] <BlackBsd> that shift only works if the text box has focus
[02:33] <tsimpson> it should do if you've press Alt-F1
[02:33] <xixor> do you guys mostly launch programs with alt+f2?
[02:33] <xixor> I don't find the auto-sense of the alt+F2 launcher to be that clever... I feel like I might as well spawn everything from the konsole
[02:34] <BlackBsd> press alt f1 -- konsole -- press down -- press shift
[02:34] <tsimpson> I use the Classic Menu launcher
[02:34] <tsimpson> and I have yakuake, so I always have a terminal available with a press of F12
[02:36] <xixor> so, run muon? muon package manager? muon software center? muon update manager?  Are these all pretty  much the same?
[02:38] <tsimpson> they are all different aspects of the same thing
[02:39] <tsimpson> package manager and update manager are probably self-explanatory, the software center thing is like the package manager, but a little more "user friendly"
[02:39] <tsimpson> and it's not quite "there" yet imo
[02:40] <BlackBsd> emerge -uDvp world
[02:43] <BlackBsd> have you used chromium-browser?
[02:44] <xixor> Yeah, I am using chromium right now, it's great
[02:44] <BlackBsd> did you copy the flash library over into the plugins folder?
[02:44] <xixor> nope
[02:45] <tsimpson> chromium should use the same plugin as all the other browsers
[02:45] <BlackBsd> http://thegeekin.com/install-flash-player-chromium-ubuntu/
[02:45] <BlackBsd> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
[02:46] <BlackBsd> your right, i dont seem to have to copy anythingover and it still works
[02:48] <BlackBsd> but i keep getting errors when i try to watch movies on youtube
[02:48] <BlackBsd> hmm
[02:49] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: Do you have the medibuntu repository?
[02:50] <BlackBsd> idk, if its not with a default kubuntu install
[02:50] <BlackBsd> weird, but free movies will play, but the movies that i have purchased do not seem to play
[02:50] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: No, it isn't included with Kubuntu; you have to add it.
[02:50] <BlackBsd> apt-get install medibuntu??
[02:50] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: : sudo wget --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/$(lsb_release -cs).list && sudo apt-get --quiet update && sudo apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get --quiet update
[02:51] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: All as one entry in a console.
[02:52] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: Are you running a 32- or 64-bit kubuntu?
[02:52] <BlackBsd> 64 bit
[02:53] <Snowhog> After the repository and key are installed, type: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 w64codecs
[02:54] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: And then type: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-downloader:i386
[02:54] <Snowhog> BlackBsd: You should have no problems viewing/listening to youtube vids. I don't.
[02:55] <BlackBsd> i have the flashplugin-installer package
[02:55] <xixor> Do you need to install like, kubuntu-restricted-extras or anything?
[02:55] <FlyingElvis> use chrome...flash problems solved
[02:55] <xixor> yo, I'd like to have the windows key + E open a new dolphin.  Is there a handy way to do this?
[02:56] <Snowhog> xixor: Not for use with Chromium. Might be necessary with Rekonq
[02:56] <FlyingElvis> chrome has a built in flash...so it will work...it does not use the flash plugin installer
[02:56] <xixor> Snowhog: ok, cool.  Is there a difference between restricted-extras, and restricted-addons?  I couldn't figure that out
[02:58] <xixor> ah, KDE menu editor allows one to bind shortcuts to applications
[02:59] <Snowhog> xixor: kubuntu-restricted-addons: This package depends on some commonly used packages in the Kubuntu
[02:59] <Snowhog>  universe and multiverse repositories.
[02:59] <Snowhog>  .
[02:59] <Snowhog>  You should not install this package directly, but instead install the
[02:59] <Snowhog>  kubuntu-restricted-extras package.
[02:59] <FloodBotK1> Snowhog: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:00] <Snowhog> FloodBotK1: Sorry.
[03:00] <xixor> Snowhog: ah, somehow I missed that :p  cheers
[03:02] <tsimpson> xixor: right click the menu, choose Edit Applications... go to Utilities -> File Manager, click the Advanced tab, then click the button next to "Current shortcut key" and then press they key combination you want. press Save and you're done
[03:03] <xixor> tsimpson: great, thanks
[03:03] <tsimpson> oh, it's actually System -> Dolphin, not Utilities -> File Manager
[03:05] <BlackBsd> does kde still have the konqueror browser?
[03:05] <BlackBsd> is it now called rekonq?
[03:05] <BlackBsd> lol
[03:05] <Belial`> kubuntu uses rekonq as its default browser.
[03:05] <xixor> yes, I actually like rekonq now
[03:05] <Belial`> but konqueror is still in kde.
[03:06] <xixor> I think when it was konqueror, it was trying to be both a file browser, and a web browser, wasn't it?
[03:06] <Belial`> yeah, it's both a file manager and web browser.
[03:06] <tsimpson> konqueror is really just a shell, it can be whatever it wants to be
[03:06] <BlackBsd> shit.. it was the swiss army knief
[03:07] <BlackBsd> i used its terminal extensions..
[03:07] <BlackBsd> back in kde 3.x
[03:07] <BlackBsd> so does konqueror not get intalled by kubuntu?
[03:07] <BlackBsd> should i run apt-get install kde-full
[03:08] <tsimpson> it's part of the kubuntu-full seed
[03:08] <Belial`> konqueror isn't installed by default, but you can easily install it from the repos.
[03:13] <xixor> you know, I'd like to watch a real KDE pro in action, to see what their workflows are like
[03:14] <tsimpson> the main point of KDE is that it's configurable, so it can adapt to how _you_ use _it_ :)
[03:16] <Belial`> is there an updates ppa or backports ppa ready yet? or does that come some time afterwards?
[03:16] <xixor> Sure, but to use a crude analogy, I could spend a few years learning a musical instrument on my own, picking up bad habbits and such, or I could take a few lessons and in a few weeks surpass where I would be after a year on my own
[03:16] <tsimpson> Belial`: if you're running quantal 12.10, then there are no new updates yet, you have the latest already
[03:17] <Belial`> right. i guess the updates ppa will be up and running by next month then?
[03:17] <Belial`> for 4.9.3
[03:17] <tsimpson> as soon as is humanly possible
[03:18] <Belial`> awesome. i guess what i'm asking is, the backports ppa doesn't go active until the next major version of kde, right?
[03:18] <Belial`> up until that point, it's just the updates ppa?
[03:21] <tsimpson> the updates PPA is for things that will eventually go to the normal update process, the backports PPA is for things which can't go there, but people want
[03:30] <jay_> 11
[03:38] <xixor> tsimpson, everyone else: thanks for the help this evening, time for bed.  Cheers!
[04:15] <rozmuq> https://twitter.com/rozmuq/status/260594566774812672
[04:16] <shadeslayer> I don't see how that is relevant to #kubuntu
[05:21] <uwe> moin
[06:49] <rob_k> Dear friends, I have a problem with adding a java program as a KDE start menu entry. I start 'dirsyncpro.sh' with a doubleclick and it starts up well. I start '/my_path/dirsyncpro.sh' in KDE menu editor and it will try to load, and silently stop loading after maybe 10 seconds and the taskbar icon will disappear. The sh file says line 1 'DIRSYNCPRO_HOME=$(dirname "$0")' and line 2 'java -Xmx512M -jar "$DIRSYNCPRO_HOME/dirsyncpro.jar" $*
[06:52] <shadeslayer> rob_k: because you didn't pass a arg to the script
[06:53] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[06:53] <shadeslayer> hmm
[06:53] <shadeslayer> rob_k: best to just provide the full path to the script?
[06:54] <shadeslayer> or you could try adding : java -Xmx512M -jar /path/to/dirsyncpro.jar : to the KDE menu
[06:54] <rob_k> shadeslayer: I set Work Path in KDE Menu Editor with no difference
[06:57] <rob_k> shadeslayer: Using 'java -Xmx512M -jar /my_path/dirsyncpro.jar' doesn't work, same issue
[06:57] <shadeslayer> hm
[06:58] <shadeslayer> rob_k: possibly ask in #kde
[06:59] <rob_k> shadeslayer: I'll try #kde, Thanks.
[07:00] <shadeslayer> it's a bit odd that it works fine from dolphin, but not from the kicker
[07:03] <rob_k> shadeslayer: Actually it doesn't work from Dolphin either, it work when I doubleklick from Double Commander.
[07:05] <ubsafder> hello, I d like to move my kubuntu setup to a different machine but the UIID is giving me big pb can i switch back to disk by name ?
[07:07] <shadeslayer> rob_k: oh ...
[07:08] <ubsafder> or how do i copy just one partition from on disk to the next should the new disk have a partition of the exact size or can it be litle bigger ext3 will manage
[07:08] <shadeslayer> ubsafder: edit /etc/fstab ?
[07:09] <ubsafder> grub is also using the uiid ?
[07:10] <shadeslayer> afaik no
[07:10] <shadeslayer> grub is the bootloader, it's installed on /dev/sda
[07:10] <shadeslayer> or wherever you installed it to
[07:11] <ubsafder> on my new disk i have a ubuntu 12.04 at setup it found the old linux in the next partition
[07:12] <shadeslayer> well .. you'll need to run sudo grub update-grub
[07:12] <shadeslayer> wait wait
[07:12] <shadeslayer> I might have misunderstood that last statement
[07:13] <shadeslayer> ubsafder: could you explain a bit more?
[07:14] <ubsafder> but my old computer screen is dead i got a new computer with partition i'd like to keep
[07:15] <ubsafder> old computer had ubuntu partition I'd like to copy  to new computer
[07:15] <rob_k> grub2 will call the grug.cfg, you can choose to point to your partition like /dev/sdb3 or you can use uiid. You have to rebuild the grub.cfg after changing the 40_custom file.
[07:18] <ubsafder> i copied to data of old computer to new cp-arp i tried setting up grub
[07:20] <rob_k> To be clear, you have a partition with ubuntu from your old computer harddisk, this partition you copied from your old computers harddisk to a partition on your new computers harddisk. Your new computers harddisk got another distro already. In this already existing distro you tried to set up your bootloader to make an additional entry for this new ubuntu partition.
[07:22] <rob_k> Did you copy the '/boot partition' from the old computer also, or was the /boot also in the same partition?
[07:23] <ubsafder> rob_k:  yeah that is the situation
[07:23] <ubsafder> the old computer had everything in one partition
[07:24] <rob_k> grub 1 or grub 2?
[07:24] <ubsafder> it is not booting yet fstab probably
[07:26] <ubsafder> the old computer had grub 1 i think the new has grub2
[07:26] <rob_k> Which point in the boot process are you exactly stuck?
[07:30] <rob_k> the fstab is only pointing where the /root, /boot, /home, /mnt/xxx, ... will go. There should be no problem changing this files entries to the current paths, with uuid or dev/sdx you can choose
[07:33] <ubsafder> ok my issue mostly been the boot loader I wonder once i copy the data to new computer to new computer what is the best way to setup grub again
[07:34] <ubsafder> should i use to existing new linux to detect the "new" old linux
[07:38] <ubsafder> <rob_k: thanks very much i have it booting to prompt again it was fstab holding it
[07:38] <ubsafder> now from the prompt can i setup the video ?
[07:38] <rob_k> run X?
[07:39] <rob_k> you have to set up to vesa guessable to load a proper driver for the new graphicscard
[07:40] <rob_k> set it to vesa in xorg.conf, then boot into ubuntu, then load your desired driver
[07:40] <ubsafder> is there a way to detect as done installingthe OS ?
[07:41] <ubsafder> i don't care of the old X conf
[07:42] <ubsafder> X says no device detected  no screens found
[07:42] <rob_k> edit xorg.conf, you don't have a proper driver for your videocard
[07:44] <ubsafder> i can't find any entry vesa in xorg.conf
[07:47] <ubsafder> rob_k:anyway thanks a lot  i had forgotten fstab now it is booting to prompt my goal is reach i will be back if i can't fix X
[07:49] <rob_k> your entry is nvidia if you have an nvidia card, you have to change it to maybe vesa. You can also load via commandline the correct driver for your card
[08:29] <dagzo> hello, i've had a problem with kubuntu since 12.04 (still the same problem with 12.10); sometimes when my computer can't connect to wifi (through the network manager widget), my plasma-desktop doesn't respond anymore, and i need to switch off my wifi (with the switch on my laptop) so that it starts responding again
[09:06] <syria> Hi, Can I upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 using the DVD or the ISO file please?
[09:15] <syria>  Hi, Can I upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 using the DVD or the ISO file please?
[09:25] <shadeslayer> syria: I think so
[09:25] <syria> shadeslayer:  Downloading it will take like two days, @20 KB/S so I want to make sure of it. :(
[09:26] <shadeslayer> here's the problem
[09:26] <shadeslayer> I don't think the kubuntu installer supports it
[09:26] <shadeslayer> but the gtk one does support it
[09:28] <shadeslayer> yofel_: ^ any ideas if we have a supported upgrade path via an ISO?
[09:28] <yofel_> only the alternate disk could do that
[09:28] <yofel_> so no
[09:29] <shadeslayer> the gtk installer does support it though ...
[09:29] <shadeslayer> so can one install the gtk installer and upgrade via that?
[09:29] <yofel_> it does?
[09:29] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:29] <yofel_> hm
[09:30] <shadeslayer> http://askubuntu.com/questions/125947/can-i-update-from-ubuntu-12-04-desktop-i386-iso-file
[09:30] <yofel_> I mean, sure you can install ubiquity-frontend-gtk from the live session
[09:30] <shadeslayer> right
[09:30] <yofel_> someone should test that
[09:31]  * shadeslayer is hacking away on telepathy :P
[09:31] <syria> This link works with ubuntu installer.
[09:32] <yofel_> shadeslayer: "system wide settings will be cleared" - sounds like it saves the package list, reinstalls and installs what's missing later
[09:33] <shadeslayer> heh
[09:33] <shadeslayer> xnox would know
[10:23] <hayalci> Hi, I could not find detailed info about Kubuntu mirrors. I have set up a Kubuntu mirror, who should I contact to add our mirror to the main Kubuntu web page ?
[10:29] <shadeslayer> !mirrors
[10:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:30] <shadeslayer> hayalci: iso mirror or archive mirror?
[10:31] <shadeslayer> hayalci: and I would recommend reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[12:13] <baffone85> hello
[12:14] <baffone85> i have easycap usb, i take video but i don't take audio. Can you help me?
[12:14] <baffone85> i use it with my camera
[12:34] <baffone85> can you help me?
[12:38] <Lynoure> baffone85: at least for me, external mics always start muted
[12:38] <Lynoure> actually, internal too.
[12:42] <baffone85> my camera haven't input for mic
[12:42] <baffone85> for external mic
[12:43] <baffone85> do you use vlc for capture video?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:04] <BluesKaj> !suggested-packages
[13:04] <BluesKaj> !suggested packages
[13:05] <BluesKaj> !info suggested
[13:05] <yofel_> what are you looking for?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> yofel, for an explanation factoid about suggested packages that someone was asking about , so I thought I'd clutter this chat instead of the busy one :)
[13:07] <yofel> you mean what suggested packages are?
[13:08] <yofel> this would be the official and complex explenation http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps
[13:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, but pici already expalined it
[13:08] <yofel> ah ok
[13:08] <Kvaks> If I create an LVM group within which I have logical volumes for / and /home, will a fresh installation of (K)Ubuntu easily let me keep the /home intact like I could if it was a traditional partition?
[13:08] <Kvaks> If I have the LVM setup before installing (K)Ubuntu, I mean.
[13:09] <Pici> yay
[14:36] <Ahox> Hi, since my upgrade to 12.10 my akonadi & mysql both use more than 100%cpu, any idea how to solve this?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Ahox, are you using kmail/kontact for email etc , these require akonadi server and nepomuk daemon
[14:39] <Ahox> yes i am - but why should akonadi use 100% cpu and this for over an hour now?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Ahox, dunno , good question , maybe nepomuk is indexing and it's tied to akonadi
[14:41] <DarthFrog> Ahox: It's probably doing an initial catalogue.
[14:42] <Ahox> DarthFrog, BluesKaj: Nepomuk is not running, I also disabled the file indexer
[14:44] <DarthFrog> Ahox: In that case, I can't tell you what's going on.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, doesn't akonadi depend on the file indexer/neopomuk for info , I'm wondering if it's  running on the spot waiting for info
[14:53] <BluesKaj> that's just a guess of course :)
[14:54] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: I've never really looked into Akonadi/Nepomuk.  I remain unsure about the value of this "semantic desktop" as so far it seems to be only a waste of resources.  And gets in my way when I try to use Alt-F2.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> yeah DarthFrog , I'm sort of old school , i still use krusader for file searches
[14:55] <DarthFrog> It seems to me to be like Activities: a major feature of KDE but is poorly explained to/understood by users.
[14:56] <DarthFrog> Krusader?  never used it.  I use locate.
[14:58] <DarthFrog> Hmm, Krusader looks to be an implementation of the ancient DOS twin pane file manager.  What was it called?  X Tree Gold or something like that?
[15:00] <SIR_Taco> DarthFrog: haha... forgot about that program
[15:01]  * DarthFrog <- officially an old fart. :-)
[15:02]  * BluesKaj is an old guy ...officially a senior citizen ...a title I try to forget :)
[15:03] <DarthFrog> Until it involves a discount. :-)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> not many of those anymore ..saves a few bucks on bank charges tho
[15:33] <Aison> just tried to intall kubuntu, but I noticed that it is not possible to install it to a software raid?!?
[15:34] <Aison> quantal
[16:15] <hayalci> shadeslayer: We are already mirroring ubuntu archive and CD, it seems that for the last two releases, kubuntu has a separate mirror list. We started mirroring the ISOs now.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> hmmm ... I don't think we have a separate mirror list
[16:16] <shadeslayer> atleast none that I know of
[16:18]  * shadeslayer checks what ubuntu does
[16:18] <hayalci> Download page ate kubuntu.org sends to cdimage.ubuntu.com, and below that there is a list of *three* mirrors.
[16:20] <hayalci> ubuntu download page sends the user to various mirrors, in a round robin fashion
[16:20] <shadeslayer> rigt
[16:20] <shadeslayer> *right
[16:20] <shadeslayer> at some point in the past we had a proper redirector
[16:21] <hayalci> previously, kubuntu iso's were included in ubuntu release mirrors. For the last two releases, they are not included.
[16:21]  * shadeslayer asks someone
[16:31] <BluesKaj> hayalci, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[16:35] <hayalci> BluesKaj: I have no trouble downloading Kubuntu. I'm setting up a Kubuntu mirror and trying to find a contact point for the web site.
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hayalci, ok , good luck :)
[16:59] <dougl> BluesKaj, you still here... need to chat about a computer that is failing and was wondering your thots.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> dougl, failing how?
[17:02] <dougl> BluesKaj, 12.04 hangs while doing 'stress -c 2k -i 2k' and windows 7 restarts after playing fallout (game) for about 10 minutes....
[17:03] <dougl> is a nice machine that I can inherit if I want but I cannot figer out where to start...
[17:03] <BluesKaj> dougl, does it have dedicated pci graphics card or is it onboard graphics
[17:04] <dougl> dediecated gt430 by evga that I just replaced last month
[17:04] <dougl> got a rma and evga replaced it for me
[17:04] <zetheroo> I am trying to get gtalk to work in Kopete ...
[17:04] <zetheroo> no luck so far
[17:04] <dougl> that is what I thot it was
[17:05]  * dougl googling gtalk
[17:05] <BluesKaj> rma?
[17:05] <dougl> return to manufacturer authorization number - sorry
[17:07] <zetheroo> does Kopete support voice calls with Google?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> dougl, sounds like it could be overheating the cpu
[17:09] <BluesKaj> !kopete | zetheroo
[17:09] <dougl> lol - that is a good place to start zetheroo ... but I don't know if it does - not much point in trying to get it to work if it does not support  it...
[17:10] <dougl> zetheroo, I am not laughing at you rather with you :)
[17:10] <zetheroo> hmm
[17:10] <zetheroo> seems to work for the last poster here http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=90138#p170601
[17:10] <dougl> zetheroo, why not skype?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> there is a #kopete chatroom zetheroo , but's not very populated
[17:11] <dougl> BluesKaj, is there a utility to watch temp of cpu for 12.04?
[17:11] <zetheroo> BluesKaj: yes, I noticed
[17:12] <rekcuFniarB> sensors
[17:13] <dougl> zetheroo, seems pretty straight foreward... where are you hung up?
[17:14] <dougl> rekcuFniarB, thanks
[17:15] <BluesKaj> dougl, sometimes adding a graphics card puts more stress on the power supply , be sure the pc PSU can handle the extra load
[17:17] <zetheroo> dougl: he says "- Then go to Google Talk option. This will be available if you are using the latest version probably.
[17:17] <zetheroo> - Check the "Enable google talk libjingle (GTalk/Gmail) option." ...
[17:18] <zetheroo> I don't have any Google Talk option
[17:18] <zetheroo> and nothing either about libjingle
[17:19] <dougl> zetheroo, and you are using the latest version?
[17:20] <zetheroo> version 1.2.5
[17:20] <zetheroo> just installed it
[17:20] <dougl> BluesKaj, what do you make of this -> "MB Temperature:      +49.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)"
[17:21] <dougl> I did not even know a motherboard could over heat...
[17:21] <BluesKaj> that's actually quite cool for cpu
[17:22] <BluesKaj> cpuinfo
[17:22] <Torch> not for board temp though. max recommended is 40
[17:22] <dougl> that is for the MB... cpu is even lower at 30
[17:23] <dougl> cpuinfo not found
[17:24] <dougl> Torch, what would make the mobo overheat... there is just an idle desktop and I ssh'd in
[17:24] <Torch> dougl: bad airflow in your case
[17:25] <Torch> dougl: or a hot GPU
[17:25] <dougl> I am running topless
[17:25] <Torch> dougl: what do you mean with that?
[17:25] <dougl> my case is open... is theere a seperate util to check gpu temp?
[17:26] <Torch> dougl: nvidia-settings for nvidia GPUs
[17:26] <Torch> dougl: leaving the case open does not necessarily help the board temp as is does not help airflow
[17:26] <dougl> good point.
[17:27] <Torch> dougl: i've spent a few summers with p4-prescotts back then ;-)
[17:28] <dougl> gpu = 58
[17:28] <Torch> dougl: that's fine
[17:28] <SIR_Taco> runs cooler than mine :)
[17:29]  * dougl really appreciates the help from the channel
[17:29] <Torch> dougl: an additional 120mm case fan might help
[17:29] <Torch> dougl: slow running, quiet,  €20
[17:30] <dougl> Torch, already have one... was in there from new and has been replaced once - but all fans work fine...
[17:30] <Torch> dougl: at the back of the case blowing air OUT of the case?
[17:30] <dougl> the video card fan was making funny noise that is why we replaced that
[17:31] <dougl> yes exhaust at back
[17:31] <dougl> Torch should put the side on tho so the flow goes accross the board...
[17:31] <Torch> dougl: yes, fans only help as long as the air flow is working as it is supposed to
[17:33] <dougl> the antec sonata II also had duct work to pipe external air right over top of the cpu... I have since removed that
[17:33] <techheadz> test
[17:34] <techheadz> Loving Kubuntu 12.10
[17:34] <genii-around> techheadz: Test succeeded!
[17:34] <lordievader> techheadz: Good to hear :)
[17:34] <techheadz> Been on Ubuntu for a few years and fancy a change
[17:34] <techheadz> Not really getting on with the Unity
[18:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:01] <dougl> later
[18:48] <dougl> Torch, you still here... 105 deg gpu running glxgears sound normal?
[18:49] <dougl> crash!
[18:49] <DarthFrog> dougl: No, it doesn't.  Glxgears isn't particularly a 3D stress test.
[18:50] <lordievader> dougl: Check your cooling!
[18:50] <dougl> DarthFrog, thanks... not sure what to do here - what a waste of a machine...
[18:50] <dougl> lordievader, I was/am/did
[18:50] <dragos> Hi! I had an Ubuntu 11.04 installed on my laptop but it used the open source driver formy nvidia video card. I installed official nvidia video card, then I reboot, I was not sattisfied because after abouut 15 minutes or so some of the windows I tried to open became blank( like google chrome, or firefox)
[18:50] <DarthFrog> dougl: What graphics card do you have?  Which driver are you using?
[18:50] <lordievader> dougl: The fan is spinning?
[18:51] <lordievader> dragos: What exactly is your question? Also how did you install the official driver? Through the jockey?
[18:52] <dougl> DarthFrog, lordievader  one month old gt430 (evga) with propietary drivers installed thru jockey
[18:52] <dougl> lordievader, fan is working
[18:52] <DarthFrog> dougl: The thermal paste might be non-functional.
[18:53] <dragos> So I removed the official driver but I didn't reboot, and I installed a very nice green linux mint theme for ubuntu but there was and error asking me if I want to still use it because something was missing
[18:54] <dragos> but I remained with that theme ... and after 15 minutes I shut down my laptop
[18:55] <dragos> and when I boot it again I didn't let me use ubuntu, it showed me a black screen
[18:55] <dragos> lordievader: I did not finished my question at that point!
[18:56] <lordievader> dragos: Sorry, your driver install is probably broken.
[18:56] <dragos> What is the best thing I can do?
[18:56] <lordievader> dragos: How did you install the driver?
[18:56] <dragos> I wouldn't want to reinstall the OS
[18:56] <dragos> I installed the driver from
[18:57] <dragos> System>administration>additional drivers
[18:57] <lordievader> dougl: I'm not sure how it is with nVidia, but on my ATI it can get really hot before the fan really kicks-in. Usually it runs at 25% speed.
[18:57] <dragos> like it is recommended on the ubuntu site
[18:57] <lordievader> dragos: Ok can you still get to a tty? (ctrl + alt + F1)
[18:58] <dragos> I tried that..no
[18:59] <dougl> lordievader, DarthFrog seems to be a mobo error or graphics error by the sounds of the beeps upon trying to reboot after hang... gpu was over 100 and mobo was at 50 deg
[18:59] <dragos> I tried shift or esc...not sure.. to enter therecovery mode but I received a black screenn with white text
[18:59] <dragos> I made a picture of it
[18:59] <lordievader> dragos: The recovery also doesn't work?
[18:59] <dragos> Would you want to look at it
[18:59] <dragos> ?
[19:00] <lordievader> dragos: Hmm, that makes things difficult. Yes please.
[19:00] <dragos> Seems not
[19:01] <lordievader> !paste | dragos
[19:02] <ptomblin> Has anybody tried one of those really high res Korean IPS screens?  What video card works well?
[19:03] <dragos> lordievader: http://imagebin.org/232991
[19:04] <lordievader> dragos: That image is when you try to boot into the recovery mode?
[19:04] <dragos> yes
[19:05] <dragos> and the last lines of text are written by me
[19:05] <lordievader> dragos: Does it freeze there? Or is it still just doing things? Did you get a menu?
[19:06] <dragos> kind of
[19:06] <dragos> because it let's me insert text ....
[19:07] <dragos> but it doesn't do anything with it
[19:07] <dragos> it's not  used like a command line
[19:07] <lordievader> dragos: For how long did you let it run, while not getting the menu?
[19:09] <dragos> I did not get any menu
[19:09] <dragos> well tens of minutes
[19:10] <lordievader> dragos: Hmm, that is too bad. I'm not sure what to do now. I'd say reinstall is the easiest, however you've said you didn't want to, may I ask why you do not want to reinstall?
[19:10] <dragos> And them I shut it down again( If I get nothing in 10  minutes I don't think I'll get in  1 day)
[19:11] <dragos> I have my pidgin discussion, my Tomboy notes, my bookmarks from my browser on it
[19:12] <dragos> For Tomboy notes it's hard to import them to a new OS... but now I don't know  how I will manage to export them
[19:12] <dragos> because I can't access the OS
[19:13] <lordievader> dragos: Isn't all of that stored in /home?
[19:13] <dragos> I maybe yes
[19:13] <dragos> Maybe yes
[19:14] <dragos> I'm not sure
[19:14] <lordievader> dragos: Typically those are stored in /home/<user>
[19:14] <dragos> BTW, do you use Ubuntu or something else?
[19:14] <lordievader> dragos: That is why it is good practice to keep /home on a different partition, then you can easily reinstall the system while keeping your data.
[19:14] <dragos> Many people suggested me that Linux mint is far more stable
[19:15] <lordievader> dragos: I run on all my systems (K)ubuntu. And never had any real issue with it, biggest issue are the ati drivers...
[19:16] <dragos> I've used Kubuntu in the past and I had issues with it
[19:16] <dragos> :)... I tried to use Oracle  VM  with  windows XP on it and Kubuntu crushed
[19:17] <lordievader> dragos: You do know that you are currently in #kubuntu and not #ubuntu
[19:17] <lordievader> ?
[19:18] <dragos> well yes... But I just installed konversation and it opened #kubuntu by default
[19:18] <dragos> I don't know why?
[19:18] <lordievader> dragos: Because its a kde program I think.
[19:18] <dragos> (I'm using ubuntu on this computer also)
[19:18] <dragos> Uhh
[19:18] <dragos> :)
[19:19] <lordievader> dragos: Do you have  /home on a separate partition?
[19:22]  * yofel notes that if you install k/ubuntu over an existing installation without re-partitioning or formatting it will try to keep the contents of /home intact
[19:23] <yofel> hm
[19:23] <yofel> dragos: do you know how to edit the boot setting in grub?
[19:24] <DarthFrog> yofel: Now I didn't know that.  that's a wonderful feature.  Almost makes up for the Amazon ads.
[19:24] <yofel> you could try to add 'init=/bin/bash' to the kernel command line, that should skip most of the system bootup and give you a shell you can use
[19:24] <yofel> remove 'quiet splash' when you do that
[19:25] <lordievader> DarthFrog: Those aren't in Kubuntu right?
[19:25] <yofel> DarthFrog: that has already been there for a few releases, so has nothing to do with any weird lenses :P
[19:25] <DarthFrog> lordievader: No they're not.  It's a Unity lens.
[19:25] <dragos> yofel: I don't think so
[19:26] <lordievader> DarthFrog: That's what I thought ;)
[19:26] <dragos> lordievader: I think Yes'
[19:26] <yofel> dragos: try to get to the grub menu by holding the left shift key pressed after the bios screen
[19:26] <DarthFrog> yofel: Yabbut i just found out about that feature from you now. :-)  So it is a reaction to the current situation, not to my previous ignorance of past achievments.
[19:26] <dragos> At least on this computer... But I think also on the one with the problem
[19:27] <lordievader> dragos: Ok that is good :), but first try yofel's suggestion, better to fix it than to ignore and reinstall.
[19:27] <DarthFrog> I'm downloading Ubuntu 12.10 now and am going to install it on an external drive, just to see what all the fuss is about.
[19:27] <dragos> it said  Grub loading
[19:27] <lordievader> DarthFrog: For Kubuntu not much has changed.
[19:28] <dragos> now it's purple screen
[19:28] <yofel> do you have a line that says 'Ubuntu' ?
[19:28] <dragos> now it's black again
[19:28] <dragos> :(
[19:28] <DarthFrog> lordievader: I'm running Quantal right now.  It's Ubuntu I want to see.
[19:28] <yofel> :/
[19:28] <dragos> No
[19:29] <dragos> It was only purple background, no Ubuntu text
[19:29] <lordievader> DarthFrog: Ah I see, haven't said a thing.
[19:30]  * yofel looks at the grub documentation again
[19:31] <yofel> dragos: try again by holding the right shift key
[19:38] <dragos> yofel
[19:38] <dragos> it worked
[19:38] <dragos> I see a menu
[19:38] <dragos> But I'mnot sure what to select
[19:38] <yofel> ok, wait
[19:38] <dragos> I have the following options
[19:39] <yofel> you'll want to edit the 'Ubuntu' entry
[19:39] <dragos> Ubuntu, with linux2.6.38-15-generic
[19:39] <dragos> Ubuntu, with linux2.6.38-15-generic (recovery mode)
[19:39] <dragos> previoues ubuntu versions
[19:39] <dragos> memory test (memtest86+)
[19:40] <dragos> and memory test (memtest86+,serial console 115200')
[19:40] <dragos> yofel? I'm not sure what you mean
[19:40] <dragos> to edit the name?
[19:42] <yofel> sorry, my wifi kicked me out
[19:43] <yofel> dragos: select the first entry, and press 'e' to edit it I think (it says which key to press for edit below the selection window)
[19:43] <dragos> Did you see what I typed
[19:43] <dragos> ?
[19:43] <yofel> yes
[19:44] <dragos> http://pastebin.com/uCWzdFSJ
[19:45] <dragos> so not the recovery mode( i.e. the second entry)?
[19:45] <dragos> Ok
[19:45] <yofel> I saw it
[19:45] <dragos> I typed e
[19:45] <yofel> you don't need to rename the name, you need to change a part of the configuration
[19:45] <dragos> ok
[19:47] <yofel> dragos: open? you'll have a line that starts with 'linux /boot/...' in there
[19:48] <dragos> Yes there is a  small number of lines that I can edit
[19:49] <dragos> I see the line you are talkingabout'
[19:49] <yofel> go to the line that I said, remove 'quiet splash' if it's in there
[19:49] <yofel> and append 'init=/bin/bash' to it (append! not a new line)
[19:50] <yofel> then press ctrl+x or what it was to boot (again explained at the bottom)
[19:52] <yofel> do you get to a shell prompt?
[19:53] <dragos> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-15-generic root=UUID=45714b73-5bc9-4c2a-a9eb-3e2b2ec6b2a4 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[19:53] <dragos> yofel
[19:53] <yofel> ok wait
[19:53] <yofel> replace with
[19:53] <dragos> That's the line
[19:53] <yofel> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-15-generic root=UUID=45714b73-5bc9-4c2a-a9eb-3e2b2ec6b2a4 ro init=/bin/bash
[19:54] <yofel> the vt.handoff isn't important
[19:55] <dragos> ok
[19:56] <dragos> yofel: there's a command line
[19:56] <dragos> root@(none):/#
[19:56] <yofel> lordievader: can you take over from here please? I need to go and won'be coming back until ~half an hour
[19:57] <lordievader> yofel: Maybe, I can see what I can do.
[19:58] <dragos> yofel: how much would you expect it will  take
[19:58] <dragos> ?
[19:58] <dragos> Half an  hour  it's not that  much...
[19:58] <lordievader> dragos: He means he is gone for half an hour.
[19:59] <dragos> Yes!
[19:59] <dragos> I understand that
[19:59] <lordievader> dragos: Let's first uninstall the drivers, you are root right?
[19:59] <dragos> I can wait... But as he said
[20:00] <dragos> If you think you know what your are doing I can follow your advice
[20:00] <SIR_Taco> :)
[20:00] <dragos> I typed above. It says:
[20:00] <lordievader> dragos: I think that I do... But my thoughts may not be the truth.
[20:00] <andreas> Hi guys , can someone tell me, if cloning  a HDD to SSD with Clonezilla is possible?
[20:00] <dragos> root@(none):/#
[20:01] <SIR_Taco> andreas: can't see why it would be any different than HDD to HDD
[20:01] <dragos> usually it was root@dragos since that is my username
[20:01] <lordievader> dragos: Ok good, run "apt-get remove nvidia-current nvidia-current-updates nvidia-settings nvdia-settings-updates"
[20:01] <dragos> ok
[20:01] <lordievader> dragos: It is probably running in single-user mode.
[20:02] <andreas> @SIR_Taco   thought so too, but i heard about problems  like cloned operation systems might be unstable or something
[20:02] <lordievader> dragos: That should remove the driver that was installed by the jockey, so in other words it should revert to the normal/basic driver again.
[20:03] <lordievader> dragos: Mesa or whatever it is nowadays.
[20:04] <dragos> Uhh'
[20:04] <dragos> It says
[20:04] <SIR_Taco> andreas: haven't heard that myself, but honestly I haven't worked with them that often
[20:05] <dragos> w:not  using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:05] <dragos> e:unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[20:05] <lordievader> andreas: Is the SSD the same size or larger?
[20:05] <lordievader> !paste | dragos
[20:05] <dragos> I don't have an SSD
[20:06] <dragos> OK
[20:06] <lordievader> dragos: That was to someone else.
[20:06] <andreas> its gonna be smaller
[20:06] <dragos> Yes
[20:06] <lordievader> dragos: Is the drive mounted read-only?
[20:06] <dragos> Mounted as in?:('
[20:06] <andreas> lordievader: better take 1 @ same size ?
[20:07] <lordievader> dragos: Can you make a file/folder on the drive?
[20:07] <dragos> when it  worked yes
[20:07] <lordievader> andreas: Well I think (I do not have any experience in it) that cloning a drive requires the secondary drive to be of the same size or bigger.
[20:07] <dragos> should I try now to make one from the command line
[20:07] <dragos> ?
[20:08] <lordievader> dragos: Yes, something like: mkdir Test
[20:08] <dragos> it says
[20:08] <dragos> mkdir: cannot create directory 'Test': Read-only file system
[20:10] <lordievader> dragos: Ok so it is mounted read-only, to mount it read-write I see here that you need to following command: mount -o remount,rw /
[20:10] <andreas> lordievader: hmmm ok,  checking the web didnt give me a relevant result either... seems that not many people do that kind of stuff lol .
[20:10] <andreas> Thank u anyway guys , u  r gr8 :)
[20:11] <lordievader> dragos: Then just to test try to make the folder again.
[20:11] <dragos> it says
[20:11] <dragos> aaa ok
[20:11] <dragos> No error this time
[20:12] <lordievader> dragos: Ok good.
[20:12] <dragos> for the mkdir Test
[20:12] <yofel> re
[20:12] <dragos> I should run the Nvidia uninstall command now?
[20:12] <lordievader> Hey yofel are you back?
[20:13] <yofel> andreas: you could try to rsync the filesystem contents from a disk to the other and then do the normal grub recovery process to get the system to boot
[20:13] <yofel> that's what I do if I replace disks
[20:13] <lordievader> dragos: Yes, it should now be able to remove the driver.
[20:14] <andreas> yofel: i will give both, rsync and clonezilla a try .. good idea (easy as it is)  thx
[20:15] <yofel> andreas: just make sure you get the options right so the user/group ownership and permissions don't get messed up
[20:15] <yofel> dragos: uninstall the driver as lordievader said, and move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way after that
[20:15] <dragos> lordievader..it  seems some of  them are Done but i stil received 2 errors for the updates
[20:16] <lordievader> dragos: I'm sorry, what errors?
[20:16] <dragos> E:unable to locate package nvidia-current-updates and E:unable to locate package nvidia-settings-updates
[20:17] <lordievader> dragos: Hmm, ok, well remove those two packages from the command.
[20:17] <yofel> wait
[20:17] <yofel> those packages don't exist in natty
[20:19] <yofel> dragos: that's fine, now remove/rename your xorg.conf
[20:19] <yofel> dragos: just to make sure, it *did* remove the other packages?
[20:20] <dragos> Ok I think it worked this time. The last line was Proccessing triggers fro python-support ...
[20:20] <yofel> sounds good
[20:23] <dragos> so I should type cd /etc/X11 and then rm xorg.conf ?
[20:24] <yofel> yes
[20:24] <lordievader> dragos: I'd say rename it: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[20:24] <mariz> hello, i'm having a login screen problem since i upgraded to 12.10; it's blue and very buggy!
[20:25] <lordievader> mariz: Could you give some more details?
[20:25] <dragos> ok
[20:26] <dragos> I typed lordievader's command and there's  no error
[20:26] <mariz> lordievader: yes sorry; i mean, instead of having the normal kde/kubuntu login screen, i get a weird blue login screen (still with login/password fields) but the interface is really buggy and the background is blue
[20:28] <lordievader> mariz: Is it kdm? When I upgraded to 12.10 I got lightdm, could be that this install was originally a Ubuntu one, don't remember. Also KDM got corrupted, had to reinstall KDM to get it working again.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> mariz, , but can you login at all
[20:28] <mariz> BluesKaj: yes i can login
[20:28] <mariz> BluesKaj: but for instance, if i write a wrong password, then i need to reboot my computer :( (the interface gets stucked)
[20:29] <BluesKaj> 12;10 default is lightdm , remove KDM perhaps
[20:29] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: or visa versa
[20:29] <lordievader> mariz: Try dpkg-reconfigure kdm, with me that got an error saying it was corrupted.
[20:29] <mariz> oh kdm is not installed; i thought actually
[20:30] <mariz> i thought i was on kdm
[20:30] <genii-around> mariz: Is lightdm-kde-greeter installed?
[20:30] <dragos> lordievader: Am I done?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, was thinking kdm being corrupt could be the problem
[20:30] <lordievader> dragos: I do think so, reboot and see if the normal driver works.
[20:31] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: I thought lightdm was default for 12.10? I may be mistaken
[20:31] <mariz> genii-around: yes
[20:31] <mariz> so i don't need to install kdm?
[20:31] <lordievader> mariz: Depends, do you want KDM or LightDM?
[20:31] <dragos> ok
[20:31] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, you're correct Lightdm is default
[20:31] <mariz> i don't know the difference lordievader
[20:32] <dragos> lordievader. I reboot, I did not press anything, and now It shows me the menu with Ubuntu options again?
[20:32] <SIR_Taco> I had problems with LightDM and the nouveau driver in the beta phase... pretty sure they fixed that thought
[20:32] <lordievader> mariz: They are quite similair, KDM was the default in 12.04 and previous. LightDM has been the default login manager for Ubuntu since 11.04 (or 11.10)
[20:32] <mariz> ok
[20:33] <mariz> i'm fine with staying with the default (lightdm)
[20:33] <dragos> I pressed the first option now I;m waiting to  see what will happen
[20:33] <lordievader> dragos: The menu where you can select the normal or recovery options?
[20:33] <dragos> Yes
[20:34] <lordievader> dragos: Ok then your choice is a good one :)
[20:34] <dragos> I didn't choose the recovery option!
[20:34] <mariz> how could i make a screenshot of my login screen?
[20:34] <mariz> to show you how it looks
[20:34] <dragos> It seems it worked
[20:34] <lordievader> mariz: I hope someone else can help you, I don't use LightDM myself and have no experience with it.
[20:34] <dragos> I'll reboot again too see if it's everything fine
[20:35] <lordievader> dragos: Good to hear, is there a reason why you installed the official driver?
[20:36] <mariz> lordievader: it's ok thanks
[20:37] <dragos> well not a rell (productive) reason. I saw that I a 3d game of chess I installed didn't worked too good. After I installed the official driver itwas fine... But I can live without a chess game :))
[20:37] <dragos> And I'm curious  if I can use CUDA without the official drivers?
[20:37] <mariz> genii-around: should i reinstall it or something?
[20:38] <lordievader> dragos: That is usually the trade-off, 3d things run good on the officials drivers though you run the risk of being greeted by black screens.
[20:38] <lordievader> dragos: I do not run nVidia, can't tell you.
[20:38] <SIR_Taco> mariz: https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2859   is the first thing I found for that
[20:38] <dragos> You are right!
[20:39] <SIR_Taco> brb
[20:40] <yofel> dragos: no, currently you need the nvidia driver for cuda.
[20:41] <yofel> dragos: there is work being done to make cuda available for the other driver too, but that probably won't be ready for another year or so :/
[20:42] <genii-around> mariz: Perhaps try instead: dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm  and make sure that you pick lightdm from the choices listed
[20:42] <mariz> genii-around: "kdm is broken or partially installed"
[20:42] <dragos> Ok, everything works great! Thanks a lot!
[20:43] <mariz> genii-around: (i've just installed it and removed it again)
[20:43] <natman> unable to shut down my laptop unless, wifi is disabled
[20:43] <lordievader> mariz: I knew it, kdm is corrupted :P
[20:43] <natman> any way to fix this?
[20:43] <genii-around> mariz: Replace kdm with gdm then in the command, or lightdm   ( they are all supposed to just bring you to the same place though )
[20:44] <dragos> May I ask you something? From where did you learned all this stuff? I would like to know do it myself  one day:)
[20:44] <mariz> genii-around: ok i made sure lightdm was the selected choice
[20:44] <genii-around> dragos: Mostly empirical learning...
[20:45] <lordievader> natman: Read the system logs, there is probably something there pointing to something that keeps the system from turning off.
[20:45] <natman> lordievader: how do i go about that?
[20:45] <genii-around> Need a reboot, will return
[20:45] <lordievader> dragos: Jups lots of practice, reading and more of that sort. Also it helps to hang around in the irc channels.
[20:46] <yofel> dragos: same as lordievader for me, and I have a few years of experience in testing ubuntu alpha releases, those tend to break every now and then ;)
[20:46] <dragos> Reading books about linux administration?
[20:46] <dragos> Uhh so you also worked for the open source ubuntu project?
[20:46] <lordievader> natman: Many (if not all) logs are kept in /var/log/, in there the syslog and dmesg logs are especially usefull.
[20:47] <yofel> dragos: sure, currently I'm kubuntu developer
[20:51] <natman> lordievader: the only thing that made sense to me was http://paste.ubuntu.com/1301141/ but i was not really sure what i was looking for
[20:52] <lordievader> natman: Run in a shell "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and then try to turn it off while keeping an eye on the shell. It might hang somewhere and generate an error.
[20:54] <mariz> lordievader: do you know how could i fix kdm?
[20:54] <natman> lordievader:  does the following help, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ij2f79&s=6
[20:54] <lordievader> mariz: What I did to fix it was the following: sudo apt-get remove kdm; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kdm;
[20:55] <mariz> ok but i don't need kdm for lightdm right?
[20:55] <lordievader> natman: Ah, there is your problem, / is not being unmounted. Something is keeping mount from unmounting the drive.
[20:56] <qmtem> hey guys, i have a question. i installed kubuntu with an encrypted partition. my setup is unencrypted /boot, encrypted /, encrypted swap, GRUB on MBR. i want to install windows server with bitlocker as a second OS. what should I do to back up my MBR and/or prepare to restore my GRUB install?
[20:56] <lordievader> mariz: I do not think so, no.
[20:56] <natman> lordievader:  all i know is that if i disable wirelss, it shuts down normally
[20:56] <lordievader> natman: Do you run an nfs server on it?
[20:57] <lordievader> natman: Or do you share your drive?
[20:57] <SIR_Taco> mariz: I believe in a terminal/konsole. if you type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" it gives you the option to switch between kdm or lightdm, and will reconfigure them also
[20:57] <natman> lordievader:  nope, its a dual boot with win7, worked fine until i updated from 1204 to 1210
[20:57] <mariz> SIR_Taco: ye i did that, and i put lightdm (but i think it was already on lightdm so it didn't fix the problem
[20:58] <SIR_Taco> mariz: ok, sorry, must have missed that part.
[21:00] <lordievader> natman: Hmm, I'm sorry to say that nothing springs to mind, you could ask again here later perhaps someone comes online who does know the answer else you could try the forums: ubuntu-forums.org kubuntuforums.net
[21:00] <natman> lordievader:  this is my third time here, and already have it on the forums :) thanks for the help. Do you think a fresh install would help?
[21:02] <lordievader> natman: It might, though I'd first try to figure out what is keeping mount.
[21:02] <natman> lordievader: okay, might be back later thanks again bye
[21:06] <dougl> Damn video card - second one in as many months... really the 3rd... NO MORE EVGA!!!!
[21:13] <mariz> i'm having an issue with plasma-desktop, sometimes when my computer can't connect to a wifi spot (because it's out of reach for instance), plasma gets non responsive and i need to switch off the wifi (this is not a wifi problem, my wifi is working fine)
[21:16] <mariz> (with this error afterwards: http://i.imgur.com/2bTth.png)
[21:29] <metap0d> Hi everyone, I just installed Kubuntu 12.10 but I don't think my Nvidia card has a driver installed? I tried googling how to check but the solution didn't work :/
[21:29] <metap0d> I own a GTX 460 and the additional drivers dialog didn't show anything there
[21:29] <kellercw78> metap0d Have you checked lsmod?
[21:30] <metap0d> kellercw78: I'm very new to this, I just ran it and saw video is powered by nouveu
[21:31] <metap0d> kellercw78: However performance seems really really low ... even on the menu in the bottom left it's like 1.5 seconds to go from favorites to applications
[21:32] <metap0d> brb
[21:33] <zacarias> I added a repository (using sudo add-apt-repository) and everything seemed to work, at least reading the output. But when I try to get a source package from it, it doesn't find it. Also, I don't see the repository in the /var/lib/apt/lists directory, nor in Muon's software sources. Any help?
[21:33] <kellercw78> See this and see if it helps:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/140760/ubuntu-12-04-nvidia-gtx-460-video-card-installation
[21:44] <avihay> there's no issue sharing a swap folder between several OSs, as long as you don't hibernate one of them and try to run another, right?
[21:45] <tsimpson> avihay: that's fine, assuming you mean file rather than folder
[21:45] <avihay> partition
[21:46] <tsimpson> avihay: also completely fine
[21:46] <avihay> thanks
[21:46] <xixor> hi everybody
[22:10] <phillw> hiyas Riddell, are you about?
[22:30] <Riddell> phillw: hi
[22:36] <dougl> what are you supposed to use in linux to load test your gpu?
[22:37] <phillw> hi Riddell, it's still somewhat beta stage (It's for storing the milestones during 13.04), but kubuntu does have a mirror at http://phillw.net/isos/ for 12.10
[22:37] <phillw> feel free to link to is as a secondary mirror.
[22:38] <phillw> the zero byte file for arm is being worked on - it's a wee bug in the zsync script!
[22:40] <Riddell> phillw: how about the header and footer to make http://phillw.net/isos/kubuntu/quantal/release/ look pretty?
[22:42] <phillw> Riddell: the pages are all standard html, each team is welcome to make them look pretty. We've been concentrating on the bare bones of getting it working for 13.04 :)
[22:44] <phillw> Nicholas (balloons) would like an archive of all milestone releases available. you can see the general idea at http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/quantal/ Unit193 has only just expanded the script to catch the rest of the flavours.
[22:44] <SIR_Taco> dougl: not sure... you could start a bunch of HD videos I suppose
[22:44] <Riddell> phillw: we do make it pretty but you don't copy the prettyness
[22:45] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/HEADER.html
[22:45] <Riddell> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/FOOTER.html
[22:45] <Riddell> these things are surprisingly important :)
[22:46] <phillw> I'm most likely going to use the simple heading at http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/ it's a mirror, not a web site :P
[22:46] <phillw> But, I'll get them added to the html code for you guys.
[22:48] <phillw> Riddell: I'm just in the middle of rescuing my 2nd hard drive, can you email me the links to phillw@ubuntu.com so I have them in mail. This is a temp laptop and does not have any of my log in credentials for the server :)
[22:50] <phillw> Oh, and I will be archiving ubuntu images, just not mirroring them publicly - Doing so would probably swamp the server :)
[22:54] <simplew> where can i ask to package polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 ?
[23:46] <sblahhh> bonjour ^