[02:20] <phillw> good morning smartboyhw
[02:20] <smartboyhw> Hey phillw
[02:21] <phillw> I hope life is treating you better than it is me for my piglet!
[02:22] <smartboyhw> phillw, LOL
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <jibel> good morning dholbach
[07:09] <dholbach> hey jibel :)
[07:10] <dholbach> pitti, Aron replied on the libxml2 autopkgtest patch - to get it into Debian he asked me to add a python test case as well :-)
[07:10] <dholbach> not quite the answer I expected, but I was happy to oblige :)
[07:11] <pitti> dholbach: hah
[07:11] <pitti> dholbach: (bah, static bindings!)
[07:11] <dholbach> so I hope we have it in sync soon :)
[07:11] <pitti> sounds great
[07:11] <pitti> dholbach: thanks for adding this!
[07:13] <dholbach> no worries :)
[07:18] <dholbach> pitti, I added some more info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RequiredTests  - do you think we should be more explicit for example in the case of functionality tests?
[07:19] <pitti> dholbach: hm, right now those do not have any tests, so pretty much everything helps
[07:19] <dholbach> hum hum
[07:19] <pitti> I mean exercising the most common use cases; for each individual project this seems rather obvious, do you think it's not?
[07:19] <dholbach> I'll try to think of a good way to put that
[07:19] <dholbach> you know, something else than "do whatever you want" :-P
[07:20] <pitti> something like "Exercise the most common functionality and workflow"?
[07:20] <dholbach> yeah, sounds good
[07:20] <dholbach> :-(
[07:20] <dholbach> :-)
[07:21] <pitti> and perhaps a d-conf example, "check reading, writing of schema keys, handling of invalid values for types, and schema creation/compilation"
[07:21] <dholbach> will add
[07:21] <pitti> or for the file lens, "create a temporary home directory with some files, and check that these files are found"
[07:21] <pitti> (but that falls into the "rather obvious" category, I would think)
[07:22] <dholbach> perfect
[08:13] <Noskcaj> can someone please finish this testcase http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1340/edit it cant go any further on my g4
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, OK I can
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, so what do you want me to add?
[08:16] <smartboyhw> BTW Noskcaj welcome to the testcase admins team:D
[08:17] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw: thanks, the bit at the very bottom(selecting the desktop environment), i think the testcase can be uploaded(slightly modified) for all desktop architectures
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, so you mean that how can people install their favorite desktop environment like Ubuntu And Lubuntu am I right?
[08:19] <Noskcaj> yes, my mac bugs out before loading the command prompt after installing(just after restart)
[08:21] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, so you mean "After the base system is installed, log in, and type "sudo tasksel" to select the system to install."
[08:23] <Noskcaj> yeah, that stuff
[08:23] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, OK I will do it now
[08:23] <Noskcaj> thanks
[09:29] <Noskcaj> how is it that all ubuntu irc channels have an op except this one
[09:44] <smartboyhw> Hmm there is no ChanServ here weird
[09:45] <dholbach> smartboyhw, the folks in #ubuntu-irc should be able to help out
[09:47] <smartboyhw> dholbach, as it turns out: #ubuntu-irc doesn't have ChanServ too
[09:47] <dholbach> I don't know where it's required or not
[09:47] <dholbach> but the people in there are knowledgeable and should know how to set things up
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Some do, some not. Maybe I should just forget about ht eissue
[12:38] <pitti> gema, dholbach: just saw your current UDS testing slides
[12:38] <dholbach> yes, the first couple of slides and the two last ones would be the ones Nick and I use
[12:38] <pitti> gema, dholbach: so at the slide with "upstream testing", I'll do my blurb?
[12:39] <pitti> shall I just add a couple of slides? most of my talk will be actual talking, as there's not much to screenshot there, but I might have a few
[12:40] <dholbach> pitti, yeah, feel free to add more slides - I think I'll remove the one that says "autopkgtest" as you'll likely talk about that anyway :)
[12:40] <pitti> dholbach: leave it there for now as a reminder
[12:40] <dholbach> ok
[12:40] <dholbach> perfect
[12:40] <dholbach> <3
[12:40] <pitti> dholbach: but I can talk about it, sure
[12:41] <dholbach> awesome
[12:41]  * dholbach goes back to scheduling craziness
[12:41] <pitti> dholbach: oh, hmm -- I can haz edit?
[12:42] <gema> dholbach: what is that autopilot training stuff?
[12:42] <gema> dholbach: is mmrazik taking care of that bit?
[12:42] <dholbach> pitti, done
[12:42] <dholbach> gema, yes, Nick talked to him
[12:42] <mmrazik> ack
[12:42] <dholbach> Nick is on holidays now
[12:42] <gema> dholbach: ack, I will make sure I attend
[12:42] <dholbach> :-)
[12:42] <dholbach> wow - everything's like old machinery in here!
[12:42] <dholbach> errr
[12:43] <dholbach> well-oiled
[12:43] <dholbach> excuse me :)
[12:43] <gema> ha-ha
[12:43] <pitti> dholbach, gema: for chronological order, and to better explain the upstream bits, it would be better to talk about autopkgtest first; ok for you if I swap the slides?
[12:43]  * gema feels old now
[12:43]  * dholbach hugs gema
[12:43]  * dholbach hugs gema
[12:43]  * dholbach hugs gema
[12:43]  * dholbach hugs gema
[12:43]  * dholbach hugs gema
[12:43] <gema> thanks dholbach !
[12:43]  * gema hugs dholbach :D
[12:43] <dholbach> sorry about that - that was my personal reminder to get another coffee
[12:43] <dholbach> must be post-lunch :-)
[12:43] <smartboyhw> dholbach, wow too passionate hugging 5 times;P
[12:43] <dholbach> pitti, sure sure
[12:43]  * pitti turns some squeaking gears
[12:43] <gema> pitti: go for it, you have a solid amount of minutes (8) that you can use however you want
[12:44] <gema> pitti: that's an eternity at a plenary
[12:44] <gema> :D
[12:44] <pitti> gema, dholbach: so, 8 mins for autopkgtest + upstream, right? (that's more than enough for an overview)
[12:44] <gema> 8*500 people...mmmhhh... 4000 minutes
[12:44] <dholbach> I think you'd share some time with mmrazik
[12:44] <dholbach> Nick and I are "just" going to take the first 5 minutes for some very general overview and the last 2 for announcements
[12:45] <pitti> ack
[12:45] <dholbach> the rest will be all yours to show the awesomeness everyone has been missing out on
[12:46] <gema> dholbach: you say it as if there is much left :P
[12:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:47] <dholbach> gema: want to haggle? :)
[12:47] <gema> dholbach: haha, I will leave that to pitti
[12:47] <dholbach> gema, I wanted 15 minutes for my own - I have to feed wife, children and grandchildren!
[12:47] <gema> it works better between germans :P
[12:47] <dholbach> gema, what do you expect me to do?
[12:47] <dholbach> gema, I already gave you a discount?
[12:47] <gema> hahaha
[12:48] <pitti> dholbach: so we need to set up that sparring, you throwing paper bugs at me and I fend them off with my jenkins bat?
[12:48]  * gema feels like buying pijamas, now
[12:48] <dholbach> I can try to talk Nick into speeding it up a little bit, we'll both be there a bit earlier on Sunday
[12:48] <dholbach> pitti, haha, that'd be very funny
[12:52] <dholbach> alright, time to walk the dog, brb
[13:32] <pitti> dholbach, gema: ugh, 13 minutes at first try, I'll trim a bit :)
[13:44] <dholbach> pitti, I'm sure we'll work it out one way or another
[13:47] <pitti> ok, 9:30, almost there :)
[15:30] <roadmr> this is probably the dumbest question I've ever asked :/ how do I install proprietary drivers on Ubuntu 12.10?
[15:31] <holstein> roadmr: i just install the packages i need... under "software sources" there is a tab for "additional drivers" which has worked ok fo me in my testing
[15:31] <holstein> !ati
[15:31] <holstein> !nvidia
[15:32] <roadmr> holstein: oh ok, I'll look there. It's not too obvious to me but that may be because I'm biased towards being offered the drivers and/or having a very prominent jockey icon
[15:33] <holstein> roadmr: sure, and just remember, theres is nothing about ubuntu/linux that keeps the manufacturer of your graphics chip from allowing the hardware to be supported "out of the box"
[16:39] <roadmr> hello again folks, wondering if anyone else is having trouble installing proprietary drivers on 12.10 due to linux-headers-generic not being installed by default
[16:39] <patdk-wk> hmm, headers have never been installed by default, I didn't think, or atleast, never on mine
[19:42] <jackson_> phillw: is the netboot testcase ready for upload, smartboyhw and i are finished
[19:45] <Noskcaj> sorry, xchat changed my name
[21:04] <phillw> Noskcaj: ask wxl  to have a quick look over it. It's handy to have another PPC person check the logic :)
[21:07] <wxl> i will when i get a new adapter, phillw / Noskcaj
[21:07] <Noskcaj> ok, i can be used for any desktop architecture though phillw
[21:07] <phillw> I'm just pullingin grub-rescue CD
[21:07] <Noskcaj> *it
[21:08] <Noskcaj> i made that one too
[21:08] <Noskcaj> i think
[21:17] <phillw> Noskcaj: great! Test cases not too scary. We have a whole suite to write for lubuntu (lxde) applications. Julien (our head of dev) has made a start. After UDS, Nicholas will convert them into the 'new' style and we can get to work on them.
[21:18] <Noskcaj> i might start on one of them this-afternoon but now School :(
[21:19] <Noskcaj> afk
[21:19] <phillw> Noskcaj: enjoy!!
[21:21] <phillw> wxl: one of my hard drives decided it is unhappy with life. I've had to back it up & reformat. Trouble is that grub got a little over excited and decided to also write itself to my 2nd hard drive, which uses grub legacy and my 'working' system no longer boots :/#
[21:21] <wxl> doh, not fun phillw
[21:21] <wxl> you got it figured out?
[21:21] <phillw> I'm going to put grub2 onto it - just downloading the grub rescue iso now.
[21:21] <wxl> good
[21:23] <phillw> well, Ihope so... CentOS still runs the old grub. Not sure what will happen when I update the kernel in future - I could be opening up a whole can of worms :/
[21:24] <phillw> disappointed that the 'I'll put grub where I want' bug still exists... But, such is life.
[21:27] <phillw> oooh.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20040549
[21:27] <phillw> looks interesting!