| superfly | Maaz: tell Kilos morning oom! | 05:06 |
|---|---|---|
| Maaz | superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 05:06 |
| superfly | :-D | 05:07 |
| Kilos | hiya superfly | 05:07 |
| Kilos | morning all | 05:07 |
| Kilos | power will be off from 0800 till 1600 they say | 05:08 |
| Kilos | be good | 05:08 |
| Kilos | lol 33 secs superfly | 05:08 |
| superfly | Kilos: I'm going to be out of the office most of today anyway | 05:08 |
| Kilos | ill sleep the day away | 05:09 |
| Kilos | have a good day all | 05:09 |
| superfly | thought I'd catch my daily #ubuntu-za dosage now, except there wasn't anyone here... | 05:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:10 |
| Kilos | Squirm, hasnt even started yawning yet | 05:10 |
| superfly | Kilos: good move. Wish I could do that | 05:10 |
| * superfly is on the train | 05:10 | |
| Kilos | all good there superfly ? | 05:11 |
| superfly | Ya, I'm even wearing shorts today | 05:11 |
| Kilos | gonna be a long day without a pc going | 05:11 |
| Kilos | hehehe | 05:11 |
| Kilos | will cook on gas today | 05:12 |
| superfly | Kilos: that's OK, we get to play buzzword bingo | 05:12 |
| Kilos | hehe | 05:12 |
| * superfly printed out the bingo cards yesterday | 05:12 | |
| Kilos | did you get youre win8 | 05:13 |
| superfly | Yes, eventually, and even installed it | 05:13 |
| Kilos | what size was the download eventually | 05:13 |
| superfly | what a pain | 05:13 |
| superfly | 2.4 gigs | 05:13 |
| Kilos | horrible hey. linux spoils us for such stuff | 05:14 |
| Kilos | ah its nearly a gig smaller | 05:14 |
| superfly | The installer was confusing, then it takes FOREVER to boot up | 05:15 |
| Kilos | typical | 05:15 |
| superfly | And metro is confusing, even for me who already knew what metro is | 05:15 |
| Kilos | oh my | 05:15 |
| superfly | Seriously, this is supposed to be Microsoft's best OS yet? | 05:16 |
| Kilos | they say that with everyone | 05:16 |
| Kilos | i struggled to get win7 going | 05:16 |
| Kilos | so much to change just to install things | 05:17 |
| superfly | I was hoping for a little more. Rather stick with Windows 7 | 05:17 |
| Kilos | i think they gone overboard with security | 05:17 |
| Kilos | pity sudo and chown dont work there | 05:18 |
| superfly | Kilos: no, they would have to rewrite the way Windows works to drastically improve security, and the last thing they want to do is produce a backwards incompatible OS | 05:19 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:19 |
| Kilos | i thought they were gonna make a linux version | 05:20 |
| superfly | so they try to bandaid the symptoms instead of fixing the problem | 05:20 |
| Kilos | heard that last year | 05:20 |
| Kilos | yeah windows comes with a box of bandaids to patch everything | 05:21 |
| superfly | Kilos: no, the closest they got to that was Xenix, a flavour of UNIX, which was an unsuccessful project | 05:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:21 |
| superfly | i think it was aimed at businesses, and they preferred going with Sun and IBM | 05:22 |
| Kilos | i wish more businesses would go ubuntu | 05:23 |
| Kilos | i could enjoy helping secretaries | 05:23 |
| superfly | Kilos: it is extremely difficult for businesses to change, especially the bigger ones | 05:24 |
| superfly | Kilos: naughty :-P | 05:24 |
| Kilos | hehe | 05:25 |
| superfly | most businesses have only just moved up from XP to 7 | 05:25 |
| Kilos | ya especially when all their work uses programs designed for windows like with ian | 05:25 |
| superfly | And some are delaying *that* move for as long as possible. | 05:26 |
| Kilos | the software for the scanner machines are only for windows | 05:26 |
| superfly | There is a certain red bank which only allows IE6 | 05:26 |
| Kilos | xp is useable | 05:26 |
| Kilos | wow and ie sucks | 05:27 |
| superfly | Kilos: I use Linux at work, and it is proving to be a major asset :-) and I also work with electronics | 05:27 |
| Kilos | ya but you can fix and adapt, not many can | 05:28 |
| superfly | its not about the OS, but people choose to develop software or Windows only | 05:28 |
| superfly | Morning DigiGram | 05:28 |
| Kilos | ya thats the prob | 05:28 |
| Kilos | hi DigiGram | 05:28 |
| DigiGram | morning superfly Kilos and others | 05:28 |
| Kilos | for businesses to change they would need to hire linux IT guys i think | 05:29 |
| Kilos | or learn to use irc | 05:30 |
| DigiGram | sjoe nee, a business shouldn't go to Linux | 05:31 |
| Kilos | why DigiGram | 05:31 |
| DigiGram | most people can't even install an exe and thats what they are used to | 05:31 |
| superfly | Kilos: no, they first need to see that their software runs on Linux, and for the majority of big businesses have already invested millions in software that runs on the Microsoft stack | 05:31 |
| Kilos | i hate that .exe | 05:31 |
| DigiGram | although synaptic makes it easier, people freak out when the "start" button is called menu and sits on top of the screen | 05:31 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:32 |
| superfly | DigiGram: I installed 8 last night, they evidently don't have anyone actually installing Windows | 05:32 |
| superfly | the installer is confusing | 05:32 |
| Kilos | ian found kde more to his liking than gnome | 05:32 |
| DigiGram | Haven't tried it yet, guess I will have to some time or another | 05:33 |
| superfly | Kaapstad, time to disembark, seeya all later | 05:33 |
| Kilos | i think seeing as we have gone dvd size synaptic and some more basic stuff should come preinstalled | 05:33 |
| Kilos | toods fly | 05:34 |
| Kilos | have a good day | 05:34 |
| DigiGram | cheers superfly | 05:34 |
| Kilos | our power will be off anytimeso hold the fort DigiGram | 05:35 |
| magespawn | morning all | 05:41 |
| Kilos | hey magespawn | 05:41 |
| DigiGram | good luck kilos | 05:41 |
| Kilos | ty DigiGram | 05:42 |
| DigiGram | one of my friends uses a 1200W UPS on 2 car batteries to power his 1000W PC and 3 24" screens for 3 hours... | 05:42 |
| DigiGram | sounds like a plan | 05:42 |
| Kilos | i have a ups but battery lasts 2 mins | 05:43 |
| Kilos | need to find some treuck batteries | 05:43 |
| magespawn | deep cycle batteries | 05:44 |
| Kilos | wont car/truck batteries work | 05:44 |
| Kilos | i charge this one with my homemade battery charger | 05:44 |
| Kilos | charged | 05:45 |
| Kilos | 12v is 12v | 05:45 |
| DigiGram | yes car batteries will do | 05:45 |
| DigiGram | but deep cycle will be better | 05:45 |
| Kilos | whats a deep cycle battery | 05:45 |
| DigiGram | cheap UPS's uses alarm batteries, the sealed type that you actually need to top up from time to time | 05:46 |
| Kilos | i dunno where you see what kinda ups this is | 05:46 |
| Kilos | Tescom SA | 05:46 |
| Kilos | got like a motor bike battery inside | 05:47 |
| DigiGram | how many VA? 600VA I presume if only one battery | 05:47 |
| Kilos | where do you see that | 05:47 |
| superfly | morning magespawn | 05:48 |
| * superfly is at work | 05:48 | |
| Kilos | 600va it says on back | 05:48 |
| DigiGram | okay yeah, so your UPS won't charge a car battery, but you can use a car battery charger for that when it's depleted, but the power should keep you a while | 05:49 |
| Kilos | will try ty | 05:50 |
| Kilos | when power is fixed | 05:50 |
| DigiGram | I want to test it on outside lights, I don't think the block wave will be an issue, anybody here have the know how? | 05:50 |
| Kilos | got 10 mins | 05:50 |
| Kilos | sigh | 05:50 |
| Kilos | the screen output should work lights methinks | 05:51 |
| Kilos | actually any of them supply 220v | 05:51 |
| Kilos | this one has 3 | 05:51 |
| DigiGram | yeah I know it has 220V, but your normal power form socket has a sinus wave while UPS power has a block wave | 05:52 |
| DigiGram | lights shouldn't be an issue, but I'd like the fridge and freezer to be on UPS as well | 05:52 |
| Kilos | but it must work surely if it can power a screen | 05:52 |
| Kilos | wow you gonna needs lotsa batteries | 05:53 |
| Kilos | inverting power uses lots of power | 05:53 |
| Kilos | quite an involved circuit board inside | 05:54 |
| DigiGram | yes I know, but those UPS's can supply 550W, I only need to draw like 100W or so from each, for say an hour or two | 05:54 |
| Kilos | fridges etc draw lots to get the motor going | 05:55 |
| DigiGram | they draw much less that heating equipment | 05:55 |
| Kilos | even have a way of making it 3 phase for startup | 05:55 |
| Kilos | oh yes | 05:56 |
| Kilos | its just the startup that needs more | 05:56 |
| Kilos | same as with a car starter | 05:56 |
| Kilos | can use up to 100 amps to start turning over | 05:57 |
| DigiGram | and a frridge? | 05:57 |
| DigiGram | that might be a problem | 05:57 |
| Kilos | they got compressors that need to start up | 05:57 |
| Kilos | i gave away all my fridge stuff | 05:58 |
| Kilos | maybe it will pop into memory some time | 05:58 |
| Kilos | used to know all that | 05:58 |
| Kilos | i think maybe 5 amps or so to start then drop to 1 amp or 1,5 while running DigiGram | 06:02 |
| DigiGram | eish | 06:03 |
| Kilos | one gets inverters that can handle it | 06:04 |
| Kilos | not cheap though | 06:04 |
| Kilos | but lights are all in the watts range | 06:05 |
| Kilos | so lighting should be a prob from a ups | 06:05 |
| Kilos | should not | 06:06 |
| DigiGram | yeah, my outside lights amount to about 150W | 06:06 |
| Kilos | that should work for quite a while then | 06:06 |
| Kilos | yo Vince-0 | 06:06 |
| Kilos | hey Tonberry | 06:06 |
| Vince-0 | Haai Kilos | 06:06 |
| Kilos | i did a backup from my kde 12.04 to this unity now i got 10 desktops/workspaces | 06:09 |
| Kilos | so much better. the minimise thing makes me mal | 06:09 |
| Tonberry | hallo | 06:10 |
| Kerbero | o0 | 06:12 |
| Kilos | hi Kerbero | 06:13 |
| Kerbero | hi hilos | 06:14 |
| Kerbero | *kilos | 06:15 |
| Kilos | lol | 06:16 |
| Kilos | jy moeg? | 06:16 |
| * Kerbero is still asleep | 06:16 | |
| Kilos | hahaha | 06:17 |
| === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg | ||
| Kilos | power gone, see you late avy | 06:23 |
| magespawn | hey superfly | 07:04 |
| inetpro | good morning | 07:55 |
| inetpro | wow, lots of chatter already this morning | 07:55 |
| jrgns | urgh. some help please | 08:08 |
| jrgns | in thunderbird there are no folders for my different email accounts | 08:08 |
| jrgns | and no junk folder in local folders | 08:08 |
| jrgns | any ideas? | 08:09 |
| not_found | o/ | 10:32 |
| inetpro | jrgns: 1. check on the filesystem whether files exist in ~/.thunderbird/<Profile name>/Mail/ | 10:37 |
| inetpro | where <Profile name> is defined as the Path inside ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini | 10:37 |
| inetpro | jrgns: 2. Check and make sure that you do not have multiple sessions of thunderbird running | 10:38 |
| not_found | that sinking feeling when you nuke your windows partition and boot to linux, just to remember that you had all your music/photos/videos on the ntfs partitions to share to both windows and linux... grrrrr | 10:38 |
| inetpro | if those files and folders are missing you have a problem | 10:38 |
| inetpro | backups? | 10:38 |
| not_found | yup... not 100% recent but have all scattered between laptop, phone etc... just annoying as hell | 10:39 |
| * not_found kills installs and partitions to easily | 10:39 | |
| inetpro | eish! | 10:39 |
| not_found | but 12.10 is working like a charm thus far... | 10:40 |
| not_found | only issue has been that I can't copy over to many GB's before nautilus crashes out :/ | 10:40 |
| * inetpro just answered two people with different issues and it's all relevant :-) | 10:41 | |
| not_found | inetpro is da man | 10:42 |
| inetpro | not_found: how goes it? | 10:44 |
| not_found | kyk noord en voeter voort, thanks, and you inetpro ? | 10:45 |
| inetpro | not_found: ai | 10:50 |
| * inetpro in the same boat | 10:50 | |
| not_found | we will get through it inetpro ... we always do it seems :) | 10:51 |
| inetpro | sure | 10:53 |
| not_found | +1 | 10:54 |
| not_found | like | 10:54 |
| not_found | poke | 10:54 |
| not_found | uhm.,.. tweet | 10:54 |
| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| jrgns | inetpro: soz, i stepped out for a hile | 11:35 |
| jrgns | inetpro: both of those are fine. The file is there, and there's only one session running | 11:36 |
| jrgns | i suspect that i deleted all of the folders (including the account ones) and except for local folders | 11:36 |
| jrgns | that seems to throw it | 11:36 |
| === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg | ||
| DigiGram | bye all | 14:04 |
| zeref | ... | 15:25 |
| Kilos | listen to the falling rain , listen to it fall | 16:01 |
| Kilos | evening all of you | 16:01 |
| Kilos | lovely people i saw you called inna mails | 16:01 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 16:03 |
| Kilos | yo superfly | 16:04 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro wen jy darem | 16:07 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid hows things | 16:07 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 16:14 |
| psydroid | hi superfly | 16:14 |
| psydroid | hi inetpro | 16:14 |
| psydroid | Kilos, I've been a bit busy lately but I'm fine, how are things with you? | 16:15 |
| Kilos | ok ty psydroid winning here | 16:15 |
| Kilos | running unity kubuntu 12.04 and my old maverick | 16:16 |
| Kilos | unity+kde | 16:16 |
| psydroid | oh cool | 16:16 |
| psydroid | I am on kubuntu 12.10 updated from daily, but I'll reinstall it | 16:17 |
| psydroid | and get rid of 12.04 in the process | 16:18 |
| Kilos | is 12.10 good | 16:18 |
| psydroid | I'm keeping ubuntu 10.04.4 on my system since it works fine | 16:18 |
| Kilos | lol im doing same with maveric 10.10 | 16:19 |
| psydroid | yeah, it works well for me except for a problem with usb-audio | 16:19 |
| psydroid | hehe | 16:19 |
| Kilos | but only probs ive had with 12.04 have been basically getting to use 3g modem | 16:20 |
| Kilos | everything else worked i think | 16:20 |
| Kilos | but found a link on fixing nm to auto connect and all, so happy now | 16:21 |
| Kilos | 12.04 just slower than 10.10 | 16:21 |
| psydroid | for me 12.04 performed slowly because of broken graphics acceleration, so I'm not going to keep it on my system | 16:21 |
| Kilos | ah what graphics card you using | 16:22 |
| psydroid | but it didn't have any other obvious bugs | 16:22 |
| Kilos | nvidia | 16:22 |
| psydroid | onboard amd radeon hd 4200 | 16:22 |
| psydroid | which shouldn't be that bad | 16:22 |
| Kilos | oh and i also have 2 pcs connected via cable wiyhout router | 16:23 |
| Kilos | without | 16:23 |
| Kilos | have had lotsa fun | 16:23 |
| psydroid | ah yes | 16:24 |
| Kilos | both pcs use 1 3g modem | 16:24 |
| Kilos | the iptables thing was a bit of a head scratcher but the guys helped me sort it | 16:24 |
| psydroid | yeah | 16:27 |
| psydroid | so it's better to keep a working system in that case | 16:28 |
| Kilos | thats maverick on the second pc | 16:28 |
| Kilos | hehe | 16:28 |
| psydroid | and keep experimenting with newer releases on other partitions or computers | 16:28 |
| Kilos | i will wait till our cds arrive from canonical then try 12.10 | 16:29 |
| Kilos | too much to download | 16:30 |
| * bakuman kry dit op SU se local repo's | 16:33 | |
| psydroid | yeah | 16:33 |
| Kilos | SU? | 16:33 |
| bakuman | Stellenboshc | 16:33 |
| Kilos | ah lekker hey? | 16:34 |
| Kilos | but whats improved from 12.04 to 12.10 | 16:34 |
| Kilos | im looking at lts being a big data saver | 16:35 |
| psydroid | which is normally the case | 16:36 |
| psydroid | but 12.04 is performing too slowly for me and almost anyone I installed it for due the broken graphics acceleration | 16:38 |
| psydroid | with nvidia graphics it's even worse | 16:38 |
| Kilos | mine improve after nvidia-current sorted my nvidia card there must be some driver you can use | 16:39 |
| Kilos | doesnt it show on extra drivers i think its called | 16:39 |
| Kilos | ya nvidia wont help with radeon | 16:40 |
| inetpro | wb Kilos | 16:40 |
| Kilos | ty inetpro | 16:40 |
| Kilos | must be some driver you can get psydroid | 16:40 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ek't darem voor die reen by die huis gekom dankie | 16:40 |
| Kilos | sjoe gelukig ne | 16:41 |
| Kilos | hard geval hier | 16:41 |
| Squirm | <Kilos> Squirm, hasnt even started yawning yet <<-- Was already on my way to Durban | 16:41 |
| Kilos | 15mm of so | 16:41 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:41 |
| Kilos | good lad | 16:41 |
| inetpro | sjoe, ek dink nie ons het so baie hier gekry nie | 16:41 |
| Kilos | i thought that would get an immediate reaction from you | 16:42 |
| inetpro | maar ek het gesien hoe die wolke donker word vanaf die suide toe skarrel ek maar huis toe | 16:42 |
| Kilos | lekker gereen en sonder hael | 16:42 |
| inetpro | mooi | 16:42 |
| Kilos | hael nooit as dit van die suide af kom nie | 16:43 |
| psydroid | Kilos, it performed slowly on both ati and nvidia graphics, that's why I didn't install this release for anyone | 16:43 |
| Kilos | aw thats a shame psydroid | 16:43 |
| Kilos | is 12.10 better? | 16:44 |
| psydroid | yes, 12.10 is much better | 16:44 |
| psydroid | I've been using it for the past month now | 16:44 |
| Kilos | oh thats interesting. could you work out why? | 16:45 |
| Kilos | only graphics? | 16:45 |
| psydroid | yes, I think it's the graphics stack that works again | 16:46 |
| psydroid | I used to work well until about a month before the 12.04 release | 16:47 |
| Kilos | i think ill keep 12.04 unity and kde and just experiment with 12.10 | 16:47 |
| Kilos | so probs started on 11.10 already? | 16:48 |
| Kilos | i skipped 11.04 and 11.10 | 16:48 |
| Kilos | first 2 i skipped since 8.04 | 16:48 |
| Kilos | the unity thing was too much for me and gnome wasnt same as gnome 2 | 16:49 |
| psydroid | 11.10 was too buggy for me so I deleted it from my system | 16:49 |
| psydroid | ah yes, I can't use unity | 16:50 |
| psydroid | it slows me down too much | 16:50 |
| Kilos | lol im actually using it here now | 16:50 |
| Kilos | but i dont need to rush things | 16:50 |
| inetpro | unity has come a long way and is constantly improving | 16:50 |
| inetpro | for normal users I would recommend unity any day | 16:51 |
| Kilos | mine is lekker now after a backup from kde with 10 workspaces | 16:51 |
| Kilos | but still not as fast as maverick | 16:52 |
| psydroid | yeah, I just want to use my computer for development, I'm sure it will be useful to many other people | 16:52 |
| Kilos | good | 16:55 |
| Kilos | always good to have reliable fixes online | 16:55 |
| inetpro | 10 reasons why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8 http://tek.io/QSDJNB | 16:55 |
| inetpro | interesting that you even see articles about Ubuntu on Techrepublic these days | 16:56 |
| Squirm | I was at an MS IT Camp all day today | 17:01 |
| Squirm | still prefer linux :P | 17:01 |
| Kilos | i dash for supper. wbb | 17:02 |
| Squirm | there were no BSOD's :( | 17:02 |
| Kilos | so magespawn wassup | 17:22 |
| hubx | hi there | 17:23 |
| Kilos | hi hubx | 17:23 |
| hubx | Did ever hear of club-mate? It is very popular in germany. | 17:24 |
| Kilos | nope what is it | 17:24 |
| hubx | Its a beverage. Same category as energy drinks (caffeine), but a lot cheaper and its taste better. | 17:25 |
| hubx | seems like there were an attempt to bring to SA, but there apparently not very active atm: http://www.club-mate.co.za/ | 17:26 |
| Kilos | peeps here drink redbull | 17:26 |
| Kilos | dont give me energy though | 17:26 |
| Kilos | i think its all in the mind | 17:27 |
| hubx | its taste like pure sugar. | 17:27 |
| hubx | yes, i think thats true more like a habit | 17:27 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:27 |
| hubx | " Slowly the rest of Berlin soaked up Club-Mate to the point where it has now become iconic of the Berlin Culture itself." | 17:29 |
| hubx | http://we-are-awesome.com/blog/2011/08/club-mate/ | 17:29 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:29 |
| hubx | true, everybody in Berlin under the age of 35 drinks it | 17:29 |
| Kilos | you going to the release party hubx ? | 17:29 |
| Kilos | the gauteng one | 17:30 |
| Kilos | you have joined our mailing list havent you? | 17:31 |
| hubx | I hope so, but it is the last weekend in SA for a friend. | 17:31 |
| hubx | yes, but I didn't receive any mails yet | 17:31 |
| Kilos | whew tough decision then | 17:31 |
| Kilos | i got 20 today | 17:31 |
| hubx | maybe I can convince her to join :) | 17:31 |
| Kilos | you missing something | 17:31 |
| Kilos | good idea | 17:31 |
| hubx | oh congrats :) | 17:31 |
| Kilos | ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com | 17:33 |
| Kilos | you joined that one? | 17:34 |
| hubx | jup just now, i forgot to approve the subscription | 17:34 |
| Kilos | lol no wonder you get nothing | 17:34 |
| Kilos | tumbleweed, you got 5 mins | 17:46 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:46 |
| Kilos | i forget them things | 17:47 |
| Kilos | just an idea. seeing as we now get ubuntu on dvd isnt it practical then to add a few more apps to make things easier for first time users | 17:48 |
| Kilos | seems a waste of a dvd with only 800 meg on | 17:49 |
| Kilos | hi drussell not so? | 17:49 |
| Kilos | inetpro, superfly am i outa line? | 17:51 |
| superfly | Kilos: no, I think you're just talking to yourself :-P | 17:52 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha | 17:52 |
| Kilos | isnt it logical to use some of the extra space? | 17:53 |
| inetpro | Kilos: they should still try to keep it slim | 17:54 |
| Kilos | for peeps that download? | 17:54 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yep | 17:54 |
| inetpro | seriously, you don't need everything that is available | 17:55 |
| Kilos | no man the important things | 17:55 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what is the important stuff that you think is missing? | 17:56 |
| Kilos | like maybe whats in the first update and synaptic etc | 17:56 |
| inetpro | please explain | 17:56 |
| Kilos | new peeps dunno sudo apt-get update | 17:56 |
| inetpro | and? | 17:56 |
| inetpro | how you plan to solve that? | 17:56 |
| Kilos | \lol | 17:56 |
| Kilos | pidgin and xchat | 17:56 |
| inetpro | ai | 17:56 |
| Kilos | rofl | 17:56 |
| Kilos | quassel for kde users | 17:57 |
| inetpro | who needs pidgin and xchat? | 17:57 |
| inetpro | quassel comes standard with kubuntu | 17:57 |
| Kilos | i dunno what other peeps install | 17:58 |
| Kilos | hi smileE17 | 17:58 |
| smileE17 | Look at Cape Town :P http://cdn.dutchcowboys.nl/images/upload/twitter-loading-speeds.png | 17:58 |
| smileE17 | hi Kilos | 17:58 |
| Kilos | inetpro, the idea is to target new users as well | 18:00 |
| inetpro | Kilos: join #ubuntu-meeting and talk to them when they make their decisions | 18:00 |
| Kilos | and peeps used to winsucks expect an install to work as is with updates etc an option | 18:00 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what doesn't work? | 18:01 |
| inetpro | and since when do you get a working system when you install the base windows installation? | 18:01 |
| Kilos | xp was complete | 18:01 |
| inetpro | no ways | 18:02 |
| Kilos | win7 | 18:02 |
| inetpro | no ways | 18:02 |
| inetpro | in order to have a working system you need office et all | 18:02 |
| Kilos | i didnt download anything apart from avast and zonealarm | 18:02 |
| Kilos | ive never used office | 18:02 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 18:03 |
| inetpro | Kilos: 90% of users need a decent word processor and spreadsheet | 18:03 |
| inetpro | well maybe not 90% but a lot | 18:03 |
| Kilos | well unity has that now with libreoffice | 18:04 |
| Kilos | or does that need to update before working properly too | 18:04 |
| inetpro | linux desktops have come with proper desktop applications for many many years by default | 18:04 |
| inetpro | and all those fit on that single cd | 18:05 |
| Kilos | ya but not much works till update/upgrade is done | 18:05 |
| inetpro | I disagree | 18:05 |
| Kilos | you havent tried a clean install with no internet | 18:05 |
| Kilos | 10.10 even evolution didnt work till upgrade | 18:06 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you're a special case | 18:06 |
| inetpro | you have always had issues with your particular hardware | 18:06 |
| Kilos | ya man but evo didnt tork till update/upgrade as an example | 18:07 |
| Kilos | work | 18:07 |
| inetpro | Kilos: well evo is no longer standard AFAIAA | 18:07 |
| Kilos | example only | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | Kilos: hello, yes? | 18:08 |
| inetpro | evo has always been very bloated | 18:08 |
| Kilos | tumbleweed, seems im outa line | 18:08 |
| Kilos | sorry to worry you | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | ah, np | 18:08 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you're not outa line at all | 18:09 |
| inetpro | it's just not so easy to come with solutions that will please everyone all the time | 18:09 |
| Kilos | by that i meant making dom suggestions | 18:09 |
| inetpro | and I think those guys making the decisions are doing a damn good job | 18:10 |
| Kilos | this is actually not for me as long as 8ta has the 2+1 | 18:10 |
| inetpro | there's a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes | 18:10 |
| Kilos | yes they are i agree | 18:10 |
| Kilos | was just a suggestion | 18:10 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 18:11 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 18:11 | |
| inetpro | Kilos: unfortunately we don't have so many of us in #ubuntu-za involved in that process | 18:11 |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee please | 18:11 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Righto | 18:11 |
| inetpro | I only know of the tumbling weed really at this stage | 18:12 |
| Kilos | yeah but im saure im not the only that had this idea seeing as we cant go with cds anymore | 18:12 |
| Kilos | sure | 18:13 |
| inetpro | Kilos: your ideas are falling on death ears in #ubuntu-za | 18:13 |
| Kilos | but not serious as long as 8ta keep the 2+1 | 18:14 |
| inetpro | not that I say that you should not mention them | 18:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: we will hopefully have even better deals than the 8ta 2+1 at some stage | 18:15 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! | 18:15 |
| inetpro | pricing has to come down | 18:15 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 18:15 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 18:15 |
| Kilos | even better? | 18:15 |
| inetpro | Maaz: thanks | 18:15 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Sure | 18:15 |
| smileE17 | bye | 18:31 |
| smileE17 | see ya :;) | 18:31 |
| smileE17 | good night | 18:31 |
| smileE17 | :) | 18:31 |
| inetpro | Kilos: we're very much still suffering from the Telkom monopoly of a few years ago | 18:31 |
| Kilos | yeah but much better than 3 years ago | 18:32 |
| inetpro | Kilos: still not anywhere good enough | 18:33 |
| Kilos | compared to charlvn and them they are paying mush more | 18:33 |
| inetpro | we're not nearly as competitive as we should be | 18:33 |
| Kilos | so we getting there | 18:34 |
| Kilos | as telkom and the others fight each other for customers we can only score | 18:34 |
| Kilos | saw a voda add today pay first 3 mins and next 57 mins free | 18:35 |
| Kilos | on calls | 18:35 |
| inetpro | Kilos: those are just very clever marketing tactics on a small scale | 18:36 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| Kilos | hi Trixar_za | 18:36 |
| inetpro | Kilos: those kind of offers have lots of small print | 18:37 |
| Kilos | lol all wasted on me, i never fone | 18:38 |
| inetpro | Kilos: they know that most users will keep what they have | 18:40 |
| Kilos | yip but 8ta has rocked some boats methinks | 18:41 |
| inetpro | I say they should do away will all the many packages and have a single rate for everyone | 18:41 |
| Kilos | think back coupla years | 18:41 |
| inetpro | mobile voice call rates should come down to the levels of fixed line call rates | 18:43 |
| Kilos | that would help lots yes | 18:44 |
| Kilos | then telkom will lose lots of fixed line peeps though | 18:44 |
| inetpro | fixed lines should really not be needed till the last mile | 18:45 |
| Kilos | lol here its the last mile that gets stolen | 18:47 |
| inetpro | well ultimately we should have fiber running to each house | 18:52 |
| inetpro | but that will take many years to get there | 18:52 |
| Kilos | whew that would be lovely | 18:53 |
| Kilos | m/s downloads | 18:53 |
| inetpro | nlsthzn: wb | 19:08 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | inetpro, salute :) | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | hiya uncle Kilos | 19:08 |
| Kilos | night guys. sleep tight | 19:19 |
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