[05:06] Maaz: tell Kilos morning oom! [05:06] superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [05:07] :-D [05:07] hiya superfly [05:07] morning all [05:08] power will be off from 0800 till 1600 they say [05:08] be good [05:08] lol 33 secs superfly [05:08] Kilos: I'm going to be out of the office most of today anyway [05:09] ill sleep the day away [05:09] have a good day all [05:09] thought I'd catch my daily #ubuntu-za dosage now, except there wasn't anyone here... [05:10] lol [05:10] Squirm, hasnt even started yawning yet [05:10] Kilos: good move. Wish I could do that [05:10] * superfly is on the train [05:11] all good there superfly ? [05:11] Ya, I'm even wearing shorts today [05:11] gonna be a long day without a pc going [05:11] hehehe [05:12] will cook on gas today [05:12] Kilos: that's OK, we get to play buzzword bingo [05:12] hehe [05:12] * superfly printed out the bingo cards yesterday [05:13] did you get youre win8 [05:13] Yes, eventually, and even installed it [05:13] what size was the download eventually [05:13] what a pain [05:13] 2.4 gigs [05:14] horrible hey. linux spoils us for such stuff [05:14] ah its nearly a gig smaller [05:15] The installer was confusing, then it takes FOREVER to boot up [05:15] typical [05:15] And metro is confusing, even for me who already knew what metro is [05:15] oh my [05:16] Seriously, this is supposed to be Microsoft's best OS yet? [05:16] they say that with everyone [05:16] i struggled to get win7 going [05:17] so much to change just to install things [05:17] I was hoping for a little more. Rather stick with Windows 7 [05:17] i think they gone overboard with security [05:18] pity sudo and chown dont work there [05:19] Kilos: no, they would have to rewrite the way Windows works to drastically improve security, and the last thing they want to do is produce a backwards incompatible OS [05:19] lol [05:20] i thought they were gonna make a linux version [05:20] so they try to bandaid the symptoms instead of fixing the problem [05:20] heard that last year [05:21] yeah windows comes with a box of bandaids to patch everything [05:21] Kilos: no, the closest they got to that was Xenix, a flavour of UNIX, which was an unsuccessful project [05:21] lol [05:22] i think it was aimed at businesses, and they preferred going with Sun and IBM [05:23] i wish more businesses would go ubuntu [05:23] i could enjoy helping secretaries [05:24] Kilos: it is extremely difficult for businesses to change, especially the bigger ones [05:24] Kilos: naughty :-P [05:25] hehe [05:25] most businesses have only just moved up from XP to 7 [05:25] ya especially when all their work uses programs designed for windows like with ian [05:26] And some are delaying *that* move for as long as possible. [05:26] the software for the scanner machines are only for windows [05:26] There is a certain red bank which only allows IE6 [05:26] xp is useable [05:27] wow and ie sucks [05:27] Kilos: I use Linux at work, and it is proving to be a major asset :-) and I also work with electronics [05:28] ya but you can fix and adapt, not many can [05:28] its not about the OS, but people choose to develop software or Windows only [05:28] Morning DigiGram [05:28] ya thats the prob [05:28] hi DigiGram [05:28] morning superfly Kilos and others [05:29] for businesses to change they would need to hire linux IT guys i think [05:30] or learn to use irc [05:31] sjoe nee, a business shouldn't go to Linux [05:31] why DigiGram [05:31] most people can't even install an exe and thats what they are used to [05:31] Kilos: no, they first need to see that their software runs on Linux, and for the majority of big businesses have already invested millions in software that runs on the Microsoft stack [05:31] i hate that .exe [05:31] although synaptic makes it easier, people freak out when the "start" button is called menu and sits on top of the screen [05:32] lol [05:32] DigiGram: I installed 8 last night, they evidently don't have anyone actually installing Windows [05:32] the installer is confusing [05:32] ian found kde more to his liking than gnome [05:33] Haven't tried it yet, guess I will have to some time or another [05:33] Kaapstad, time to disembark, seeya all later [05:33] i think seeing as we have gone dvd size synaptic and some more basic stuff should come preinstalled [05:34] toods fly [05:34] have a good day [05:34] cheers superfly [05:35] our power will be off anytimeso hold the fort DigiGram [05:41] morning all [05:41] hey magespawn [05:41] good luck kilos [05:42] ty DigiGram [05:42] one of my friends uses a 1200W UPS on 2 car batteries to power his 1000W PC and 3 24" screens for 3 hours... [05:42] sounds like a plan [05:43] i have a ups but battery lasts 2 mins [05:43] need to find some treuck batteries [05:44] deep cycle batteries [05:44] wont car/truck batteries work [05:44] i charge this one with my homemade battery charger [05:45] charged [05:45] 12v is 12v [05:45] yes car batteries will do [05:45] but deep cycle will be better [05:45] whats a deep cycle battery [05:46] cheap UPS's uses alarm batteries, the sealed type that you actually need to top up from time to time [05:46] i dunno where you see what kinda ups this is [05:46] Tescom SA [05:47] got like a motor bike battery inside [05:47] how many VA? 600VA I presume if only one battery [05:47] where do you see that [05:48] morning magespawn [05:48] * superfly is at work [05:48] 600va it says on back [05:49] okay yeah, so your UPS won't charge a car battery, but you can use a car battery charger for that when it's depleted, but the power should keep you a while [05:50] will try ty [05:50] when power is fixed [05:50] I want to test it on outside lights, I don't think the block wave will be an issue, anybody here have the know how? [05:50] got 10 mins [05:50] sigh [05:51] the screen output should work lights methinks [05:51] actually any of them supply 220v [05:51] this one has 3 [05:52] yeah I know it has 220V, but your normal power form socket has a sinus wave while UPS power has a block wave [05:52] lights shouldn't be an issue, but I'd like the fridge and freezer to be on UPS as well [05:52] but it must work surely if it can power a screen [05:53] wow you gonna needs lotsa batteries [05:53] inverting power uses lots of power [05:54] quite an involved circuit board inside [05:54] yes I know, but those UPS's can supply 550W, I only need to draw like 100W or so from each, for say an hour or two [05:55] fridges etc draw lots to get the motor going [05:55] they draw much less that heating equipment [05:55] even have a way of making it 3 phase for startup [05:56] oh yes [05:56] its just the startup that needs more [05:56] same as with a car starter [05:57] can use up to 100 amps to start turning over [05:57] and a frridge? [05:57] that might be a problem [05:57] they got compressors that need to start up [05:58] i gave away all my fridge stuff [05:58] maybe it will pop into memory some time [05:58] used to know all that [06:02] i think maybe 5 amps or so to start then drop to 1 amp or 1,5 while running DigiGram [06:03] eish [06:04] one gets inverters that can handle it [06:04] not cheap though [06:05] but lights are all in the watts range [06:05] so lighting should be a prob from a ups [06:06] should not [06:06] yeah, my outside lights amount to about 150W [06:06] that should work for quite a while then [06:06] yo Vince-0 [06:06] hey Tonberry [06:06] Haai Kilos [06:09] i did a backup from my kde 12.04 to this unity now i got 10 desktops/workspaces [06:09] so much better. the minimise thing makes me mal [06:10] hallo [06:12] o0 [06:13] hi Kerbero [06:14] hi hilos [06:15] *kilos [06:16] lol [06:16] jy moeg? [06:16] * Kerbero is still asleep [06:17] hahaha === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:23] power gone, see you late avy [07:04] hey superfly [07:55] good morning [07:55] wow, lots of chatter already this morning [08:08] urgh. some help please [08:08] in thunderbird there are no folders for my different email accounts [08:08] and no junk folder in local folders [08:09] any ideas? [10:32] o/ [10:37] jrgns: 1. check on the filesystem whether files exist in ~/.thunderbird//Mail/ [10:37] where is defined as the Path inside ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini [10:38] jrgns: 2. Check and make sure that you do not have multiple sessions of thunderbird running [10:38] that sinking feeling when you nuke your windows partition and boot to linux, just to remember that you had all your music/photos/videos on the ntfs partitions to share to both windows and linux... grrrrr [10:38] if those files and folders are missing you have a problem [10:38] backups? [10:39] yup... not 100% recent but have all scattered between laptop, phone etc... just annoying as hell [10:39] * not_found kills installs and partitions to easily [10:39] eish! [10:40] but 12.10 is working like a charm thus far... [10:40] only issue has been that I can't copy over to many GB's before nautilus crashes out :/ [10:41] * inetpro just answered two people with different issues and it's all relevant :-) [10:42] inetpro is da man [10:44] not_found: how goes it? [10:45] kyk noord en voeter voort, thanks, and you inetpro ? [10:50] not_found: ai [10:50] * inetpro in the same boat [10:51] we will get through it inetpro ... we always do it seems :) [10:53] sure [10:54] +1 [10:54] like [10:54] poke [10:54] uhm.,.. tweet === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [11:35] inetpro: soz, i stepped out for a hile [11:36] inetpro: both of those are fine. The file is there, and there's only one session running [11:36] i suspect that i deleted all of the folders (including the account ones) and except for local folders [11:36] that seems to throw it === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [14:04] bye all [15:25] ... [16:01] listen to the falling rain , listen to it fall [16:01] evening all of you [16:01] lovely people i saw you called inna mails [16:03] hi Kilos [16:04] yo superfly [16:07] hi inetpro wen jy darem [16:07] hi psydroid hows things [16:14] hi Kilos [16:14] hi superfly [16:14] hi inetpro [16:15] Kilos, I've been a bit busy lately but I'm fine, how are things with you? [16:15] ok ty psydroid winning here [16:16] running unity kubuntu 12.04 and my old maverick [16:16] unity+kde [16:16] oh cool [16:17] I am on kubuntu 12.10 updated from daily, but I'll reinstall it [16:18] and get rid of 12.04 in the process [16:18] is 12.10 good [16:18] I'm keeping ubuntu 10.04.4 on my system since it works fine [16:19] lol im doing same with maveric 10.10 [16:19] yeah, it works well for me except for a problem with usb-audio [16:19] hehe [16:20] but only probs ive had with 12.04 have been basically getting to use 3g modem [16:20] everything else worked i think [16:21] but found a link on fixing nm to auto connect and all, so happy now [16:21] 12.04 just slower than 10.10 [16:21] for me 12.04 performed slowly because of broken graphics acceleration, so I'm not going to keep it on my system [16:22] ah what graphics card you using [16:22] but it didn't have any other obvious bugs [16:22] nvidia [16:22] onboard amd radeon hd 4200 [16:22] which shouldn't be that bad [16:23] oh and i also have 2 pcs connected via cable wiyhout router [16:23] without [16:23] have had lotsa fun [16:24] ah yes [16:24] both pcs use 1 3g modem [16:24] the iptables thing was a bit of a head scratcher but the guys helped me sort it [16:27] yeah [16:28] so it's better to keep a working system in that case [16:28] thats maverick on the second pc [16:28] hehe [16:28] and keep experimenting with newer releases on other partitions or computers [16:29] i will wait till our cds arrive from canonical then try 12.10 [16:30] too much to download [16:33] * bakuman kry dit op SU se local repo's [16:33] yeah [16:33] SU? [16:33] Stellenboshc [16:34] ah lekker hey? [16:34] but whats improved from 12.04 to 12.10 [16:35] im looking at lts being a big data saver [16:36] which is normally the case [16:38] but 12.04 is performing too slowly for me and almost anyone I installed it for due the broken graphics acceleration [16:38] with nvidia graphics it's even worse [16:39] mine improve after nvidia-current sorted my nvidia card there must be some driver you can use [16:39] doesnt it show on extra drivers i think its called [16:40] ya nvidia wont help with radeon [16:40] wb Kilos [16:40] ty inetpro [16:40] must be some driver you can get psydroid [16:40] Kilos: ek't darem voor die reen by die huis gekom dankie [16:41] sjoe gelukig ne [16:41] hard geval hier [16:41] Squirm, hasnt even started yawning yet <<-- Was already on my way to Durban [16:41] 15mm of so [16:41] lol [16:41] good lad [16:41] sjoe, ek dink nie ons het so baie hier gekry nie [16:42] i thought that would get an immediate reaction from you [16:42] maar ek het gesien hoe die wolke donker word vanaf die suide toe skarrel ek maar huis toe [16:42] lekker gereen en sonder hael [16:42] mooi [16:43] hael nooit as dit van die suide af kom nie [16:43] Kilos, it performed slowly on both ati and nvidia graphics, that's why I didn't install this release for anyone [16:43] aw thats a shame psydroid [16:44] is 12.10 better? [16:44] yes, 12.10 is much better [16:44] I've been using it for the past month now [16:45] oh thats interesting. could you work out why? [16:45] only graphics? [16:46] yes, I think it's the graphics stack that works again [16:47] I used to work well until about a month before the 12.04 release [16:47] i think ill keep 12.04 unity and kde and just experiment with 12.10 [16:48] so probs started on 11.10 already? [16:48] i skipped 11.04 and 11.10 [16:48] first 2 i skipped since 8.04 [16:49] the unity thing was too much for me and gnome wasnt same as gnome 2 [16:49] 11.10 was too buggy for me so I deleted it from my system [16:50] ah yes, I can't use unity [16:50] it slows me down too much [16:50] lol im actually using it here now [16:50] but i dont need to rush things [16:50] unity has come a long way and is constantly improving [16:51] for normal users I would recommend unity any day [16:51] mine is lekker now after a backup from kde with 10 workspaces [16:52] but still not as fast as maverick [16:52] yeah, I just want to use my computer for development, I'm sure it will be useful to many other people [16:55] good [16:55] always good to have reliable fixes online [16:55] 10 reasons why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8 http://tek.io/QSDJNB [16:56] interesting that you even see articles about Ubuntu on Techrepublic these days [17:01] I was at an MS IT Camp all day today [17:01] still prefer linux :P [17:02] i dash for supper. wbb [17:02] there were no BSOD's :( [17:22] so magespawn wassup [17:23] hi there [17:23] hi hubx [17:24] Did ever hear of club-mate? It is very popular in germany. [17:24] nope what is it [17:25] Its a beverage. Same category as energy drinks (caffeine), but a lot cheaper and its taste better. [17:26] seems like there were an attempt to bring to SA, but there apparently not very active atm: http://www.club-mate.co.za/ [17:26] peeps here drink redbull [17:26] dont give me energy though [17:27] i think its all in the mind [17:27] its taste like pure sugar. [17:27] yes, i think thats true more like a habit [17:27] lol [17:29] " Slowly the rest of Berlin soaked up Club-Mate to the point where it has now become iconic of the Berlin Culture itself." [17:29] http://we-are-awesome.com/blog/2011/08/club-mate/ [17:29] hehe [17:29] true, everybody in Berlin under the age of 35 drinks it [17:29] you going to the release party hubx ? [17:30] the gauteng one [17:31] you have joined our mailing list havent you? [17:31] I hope so, but it is the last weekend in SA for a friend. [17:31] yes, but I didn't receive any mails yet [17:31] whew tough decision then [17:31] i got 20 today [17:31] maybe I can convince her to join :) [17:31] you missing something [17:31] good idea [17:31] oh congrats :) [17:33] ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com [17:34] you joined that one? [17:34] jup just now, i forgot to approve the subscription [17:34] lol no wonder you get nothing [17:46] tumbleweed, you got 5 mins [17:46] ? [17:47] i forget them things [17:48] just an idea. seeing as we now get ubuntu on dvd isnt it practical then to add a few more apps to make things easier for first time users [17:49] seems a waste of a dvd with only 800 meg on [17:49] hi drussell not so? [17:51] inetpro, superfly am i outa line? [17:52] Kilos: no, I think you're just talking to yourself :-P [17:52] ha ha ha [17:53] isnt it logical to use some of the extra space? [17:54] Kilos: they should still try to keep it slim [17:54] for peeps that download? [17:54] Kilos: yep [17:55] seriously, you don't need everything that is available [17:55] no man the important things [17:56] Kilos: what is the important stuff that you think is missing? [17:56] like maybe whats in the first update and synaptic etc [17:56] please explain [17:56] new peeps dunno sudo apt-get update [17:56] and? [17:56] how you plan to solve that? [17:56] \lol [17:56] pidgin and xchat [17:56] ai [17:56] rofl [17:57] quassel for kde users [17:57] who needs pidgin and xchat? [17:57] quassel comes standard with kubuntu [17:58] i dunno what other peeps install [17:58] hi smileE17 [17:58] Look at Cape Town :P http://cdn.dutchcowboys.nl/images/upload/twitter-loading-speeds.png [17:58] hi Kilos [18:00] inetpro, the idea is to target new users as well [18:00] Kilos: join #ubuntu-meeting and talk to them when they make their decisions [18:00] and peeps used to winsucks expect an install to work as is with updates etc an option [18:01] Kilos: what doesn't work? [18:01] and since when do you get a working system when you install the base windows installation? [18:01] xp was complete [18:02] no ways [18:02] win7 [18:02] no ways [18:02] in order to have a working system you need office et all [18:02] i didnt download anything apart from avast and zonealarm [18:02] ive never used office [18:03] hmm... [18:03] Kilos: 90% of users need a decent word processor and spreadsheet [18:03] well maybe not 90% but a lot [18:04] well unity has that now with libreoffice [18:04] or does that need to update before working properly too [18:04] linux desktops have come with proper desktop applications for many many years by default [18:05] and all those fit on that single cd [18:05] ya but not much works till update/upgrade is done [18:05] I disagree [18:05] you havent tried a clean install with no internet [18:06] 10.10 even evolution didnt work till upgrade [18:06] Kilos: you're a special case [18:06] you have always had issues with your particular hardware [18:07] ya man but evo didnt tork till update/upgrade as an example [18:07] work [18:07] Kilos: well evo is no longer standard AFAIAA [18:08] example only [18:08] Kilos: hello, yes? [18:08] evo has always been very bloated [18:08]