[05:06] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos morning oom!
[05:06] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:07] <superfly> :-D
[05:07] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[05:07] <Kilos> morning all
[05:08] <Kilos> power will be off from 0800 till 1600 they say
[05:08] <Kilos> be good
[05:08] <Kilos> lol 33 secs superfly 
[05:08] <superfly> Kilos: I'm going to be out of the office most of today anyway
[05:09] <Kilos> ill sleep the day away
[05:09] <Kilos> have a good day all
[05:09] <superfly> thought I'd catch my daily #ubuntu-za dosage now, except there wasn't anyone here...
[05:10] <Kilos> lol
[05:10] <Kilos> Squirm, hasnt even started yawning yet
[05:10] <superfly> Kilos: good move. Wish I could do that
[05:10]  * superfly is on the train
[05:11] <Kilos> all good there superfly ?
[05:11] <superfly> Ya, I'm even wearing shorts today
[05:11] <Kilos> gonna be a long day without a pc going
[05:11] <Kilos> hehehe
[05:12] <Kilos> will cook on gas today
[05:12] <superfly> Kilos: that's OK, we get to play buzzword bingo
[05:12] <Kilos> hehe
[05:12]  * superfly printed out the bingo cards yesterday
[05:13] <Kilos> did you get youre win8
[05:13] <superfly> Yes, eventually, and even installed it
[05:13] <Kilos> what size was the download eventually
[05:13] <superfly> what a pain
[05:13] <superfly> 2.4 gigs
[05:14] <Kilos> horrible hey. linux spoils us for such stuff
[05:14] <Kilos> ah its nearly a gig smaller
[05:15] <superfly> The installer was confusing, then it takes FOREVER to boot up
[05:15] <Kilos> typical
[05:15] <superfly> And metro is confusing, even for me who already knew what metro is
[05:15] <Kilos> oh my
[05:16] <superfly> Seriously, this is supposed to be Microsoft's best OS yet?
[05:16] <Kilos> they say that with everyone
[05:16] <Kilos> i struggled to get win7 going
[05:17] <Kilos> so much to change just to install things
[05:17] <superfly> I was hoping for a little more. Rather stick with Windows 7
[05:17] <Kilos> i think they gone overboard with security
[05:18] <Kilos> pity sudo and chown dont work there
[05:19] <superfly> Kilos: no, they would have to rewrite the way Windows works to drastically improve security, and the last thing they want to do is produce a backwards incompatible OS
[05:19] <Kilos> lol
[05:20] <Kilos> i thought they were gonna make a linux version
[05:20] <superfly> so they try to bandaid the symptoms instead of fixing the problem
[05:20] <Kilos> heard that last year
[05:21] <Kilos> yeah windows comes with a box of bandaids to patch everything
[05:21] <superfly> Kilos: no, the closest they got to that was Xenix, a flavour of UNIX, which was an unsuccessful project
[05:21] <Kilos> lol
[05:22] <superfly> i think it was aimed at businesses, and they preferred going with Sun and IBM
[05:23] <Kilos> i wish more businesses would go ubuntu
[05:23] <Kilos> i could enjoy helping secretaries
[05:24] <superfly> Kilos: it is extremely difficult for businesses to change, especially the bigger ones
[05:24] <superfly> Kilos: naughty :-P
[05:25] <Kilos> hehe
[05:25] <superfly> most businesses have only just moved up from XP to 7
[05:25] <Kilos> ya especially when all their work uses programs designed for windows like with ian
[05:26] <superfly> And some are delaying *that* move for as long as possible.
[05:26] <Kilos> the software for the scanner machines are only for windows
[05:26] <superfly> There is a certain red bank which only allows IE6
[05:26] <Kilos> xp is useable
[05:27] <Kilos> wow and ie sucks
[05:27] <superfly> Kilos: I use Linux at work, and it is proving to be a major asset :-) and I also work with electronics
[05:28] <Kilos> ya but you can fix and adapt, not many can
[05:28] <superfly> its not about the OS, but people choose to develop software or Windows only
[05:28] <superfly> Morning DigiGram
[05:28] <Kilos> ya thats the prob
[05:28] <Kilos> hi DigiGram 
[05:28] <DigiGram> morning superfly Kilos and others
[05:29] <Kilos> for businesses to change they would need to hire linux IT guys i think
[05:30] <Kilos> or learn to use irc
[05:31] <DigiGram> sjoe nee, a business shouldn't go to Linux
[05:31] <Kilos> why DigiGram 
[05:31] <DigiGram> most people can't even install an exe and thats what they are used to
[05:31] <superfly> Kilos: no, they first need to see that their software runs on Linux, and for the majority of big businesses have already invested millions in software that runs on the Microsoft stack
[05:31] <Kilos> i hate that .exe
[05:31] <DigiGram> although synaptic makes it easier, people freak out when the "start" button is called menu and sits on top of the screen
[05:32] <Kilos> lol
[05:32] <superfly> DigiGram: I installed 8 last night, they evidently don't have anyone actually installing Windows
[05:32] <superfly> the installer is confusing
[05:32] <Kilos> ian found kde more to his liking than gnome
[05:33] <DigiGram> Haven't tried it yet, guess I will have to some time or another
[05:33] <superfly> Kaapstad, time to disembark, seeya all later
[05:33] <Kilos> i think seeing as we have gone dvd size synaptic and some more basic stuff should come preinstalled
[05:34] <Kilos> toods fly
[05:34] <Kilos> have a good day
[05:34] <DigiGram> cheers superfly 
[05:35] <Kilos> our power will be off anytimeso hold the fort DigiGram 
[05:41] <magespawn> morning all
[05:41] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[05:41] <DigiGram> good luck kilos
[05:42] <Kilos> ty DigiGram 
[05:42] <DigiGram> one of my friends uses a 1200W UPS on 2 car batteries to power his 1000W PC and 3 24" screens for 3 hours...
[05:42] <DigiGram> sounds like a plan
[05:43] <Kilos> i have a ups but battery lasts 2 mins
[05:43] <Kilos> need to find some treuck batteries
[05:44] <magespawn> deep cycle batteries
[05:44] <Kilos> wont car/truck batteries work
[05:44] <Kilos> i charge this one with my homemade battery charger
[05:45] <Kilos> charged 
[05:45] <Kilos> 12v is 12v
[05:45] <DigiGram> yes car batteries will do
[05:45] <DigiGram> but deep cycle will be better
[05:45] <Kilos> whats a deep cycle battery
[05:46] <DigiGram> cheap UPS's uses alarm batteries, the sealed type that you actually need to top up from time to time
[05:46] <Kilos> i dunno where you see what kinda ups this is
[05:46] <Kilos> Tescom SA
[05:47] <Kilos> got like a motor bike battery inside
[05:47] <DigiGram> how many VA? 600VA I presume if only one battery
[05:47] <Kilos> where do you see that
[05:48] <superfly> morning magespawn
[05:48]  * superfly is at work
[05:48] <Kilos> 600va it says on back
[05:49] <DigiGram> okay yeah, so your UPS won't charge a car battery, but you can use a car battery charger for that when it's depleted, but the power should keep you a while
[05:50] <Kilos> will try ty
[05:50] <Kilos> when power is fixed
[05:50] <DigiGram> I want to test it on outside lights, I don't think the block wave will be an issue, anybody here have the know how?
[05:50] <Kilos> got 10 mins
[05:50] <Kilos> sigh
[05:51] <Kilos> the screen output should work lights methinks
[05:51] <Kilos> actually any of them supply 220v
[05:51] <Kilos> this one has 3 
[05:52] <DigiGram> yeah I know it has 220V, but your normal power form socket has a sinus wave while UPS power has a block wave
[05:52] <DigiGram> lights shouldn't be an issue, but I'd like the fridge and freezer to be on UPS as well
[05:52] <Kilos> but it must work surely if it can power a screen
[05:53] <Kilos> wow you gonna needs lotsa batteries
[05:53] <Kilos> inverting power uses lots of power
[05:54] <Kilos> quite an involved circuit board inside
[05:54] <DigiGram> yes I know, but those UPS's can supply 550W, I only need to draw like 100W or so from each, for say an hour or two
[05:55] <Kilos> fridges etc draw lots to get the motor going
[05:55] <DigiGram> they draw much less that heating equipment
[05:55] <Kilos> even have a way of making it 3 phase for startup
[05:56] <Kilos> oh yes
[05:56] <Kilos> its just the startup that needs more
[05:56] <Kilos> same as with a car starter
[05:57] <Kilos> can use up to 100 amps to start turning over
[05:57] <DigiGram> and a frridge?
[05:57] <DigiGram> that might be a problem
[05:57] <Kilos> they got compressors that need to start up
[05:58] <Kilos> i gave away all my fridge stuff
[05:58] <Kilos> maybe it will pop into memory some time
[05:58] <Kilos> used to know all that
[06:02] <Kilos> i think maybe 5 amps or so to start then drop to 1 amp or 1,5 while running DigiGram 
[06:03] <DigiGram> eish
[06:04] <Kilos> one gets inverters that can handle it
[06:04] <Kilos> not cheap though
[06:05] <Kilos> but lights are all in the watts range
[06:05] <Kilos> so lighting should be a prob from a ups
[06:06] <Kilos> should not
[06:06] <DigiGram> yeah, my outside lights amount to about 150W
[06:06] <Kilos> that should work for quite a while then
[06:06] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[06:06] <Kilos> hey Tonberry 
[06:06] <Vince-0> Haai Kilos
[06:09] <Kilos> i did a backup from my kde 12.04 to this unity now i got 10 desktops/workspaces
[06:09] <Kilos> so much better. the minimise thing makes me mal
[06:10] <Tonberry> hallo
[06:12] <Kerbero> o0
[06:13] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[06:14] <Kerbero> hi hilos
[06:15] <Kerbero> *kilos
[06:16] <Kilos> lol
[06:16] <Kilos> jy moeg?
[06:16]  * Kerbero is still asleep
[06:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:23] <Kilos> power gone, see you late avy
[07:04] <magespawn> hey superfly
[07:55] <inetpro> good morning
[07:55] <inetpro> wow, lots of chatter already this morning
[08:08] <jrgns> urgh. some help please
[08:08] <jrgns> in thunderbird there are no folders for my different email accounts
[08:08] <jrgns> and no junk folder in local folders
[08:09] <jrgns> any ideas?
[10:32] <not_found> o/
[10:37] <inetpro> jrgns: 1. check on the filesystem whether files exist in  ~/.thunderbird/<Profile name>/Mail/ 
[10:37] <inetpro> where <Profile name> is defined as the Path inside ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini
[10:38] <inetpro> jrgns: 2. Check and make sure that you do not have multiple sessions of thunderbird running
[10:38] <not_found> that sinking feeling when you nuke your windows partition and boot to linux, just to remember that you had all your music/photos/videos on the ntfs partitions to share to both windows and linux... grrrrr
[10:38] <inetpro> if those files and folders are missing you have a problem
[10:38] <inetpro> backups?
[10:39] <not_found> yup... not 100% recent but have all scattered between laptop, phone etc... just annoying as hell
[10:39]  * not_found kills installs and partitions to easily
[10:39] <inetpro> eish!
[10:40] <not_found> but 12.10 is working like a charm thus far...
[10:40] <not_found> only issue has been that I can't copy over to many GB's before nautilus crashes out :/
[10:41]  * inetpro just answered two people with different issues and it's all relevant :-)
[10:42] <not_found> inetpro is da man
[10:44] <inetpro> not_found: how goes it?
[10:45] <not_found> kyk noord en voeter voort, thanks, and you inetpro ?
[10:50] <inetpro> not_found: ai
[10:50]  * inetpro in the same boat
[10:51] <not_found> we will get through it inetpro ... we always do it seems :)
[10:53] <inetpro> sure
[10:54] <not_found> +1
[10:54] <not_found> like
[10:54] <not_found> poke
[10:54] <not_found> uhm.,.. tweet
[11:35] <jrgns> inetpro: soz, i stepped out for a hile
[11:36] <jrgns> inetpro: both of those are fine. The file is there, and there's only one session running
[11:36] <jrgns> i suspect that i deleted all of the folders (including the account ones) and except for local folders
[11:36] <jrgns> that seems to throw it
[14:04] <DigiGram> bye all
[15:25] <zeref> ...
[16:01] <Kilos> listen to the falling rain , listen to it fall
[16:01] <Kilos> evening all of you
[16:01] <Kilos> lovely people i saw you called inna mails
[16:03] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:04] <Kilos> yo superfly 
[16:07] <Kilos> hi inetpro wen jy darem
[16:07] <Kilos> hi psydroid hows things
[16:14] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:14] <psydroid> hi superfly
[16:14] <psydroid> hi inetpro
[16:15] <psydroid> Kilos, I've been a bit busy lately but I'm fine, how are things with you?
[16:15] <Kilos> ok ty psydroid winning here
[16:16] <Kilos> running unity kubuntu 12.04 and my old maverick
[16:16] <Kilos> unity+kde
[16:16] <psydroid> oh cool
[16:17] <psydroid> I am on kubuntu 12.10 updated from daily, but I'll reinstall it
[16:18] <psydroid> and get rid of 12.04 in the process
[16:18] <Kilos> is 12.10 good
[16:18] <psydroid> I'm keeping ubuntu 10.04.4 on my system since it works fine
[16:19] <Kilos> lol im doing same with maveric 10.10
[16:19] <psydroid> yeah, it works well for me except for a problem with usb-audio
[16:19] <psydroid> hehe
[16:20] <Kilos> but only probs ive had with 12.04 have been basically getting to use 3g modem
[16:20] <Kilos> everything else worked i think
[16:21] <Kilos> but found a link on fixing nm to auto connect and all, so happy now
[16:21] <Kilos> 12.04 just slower than 10.10
[16:21] <psydroid> for me 12.04 performed slowly because of broken graphics acceleration, so I'm not going to keep it on my system
[16:22] <Kilos> ah what graphics card you using
[16:22] <psydroid> but it didn't have any other obvious bugs
[16:22] <Kilos> nvidia
[16:22] <psydroid> onboard amd radeon hd 4200
[16:22] <psydroid> which shouldn't be that bad
[16:23] <Kilos> oh and i also have 2 pcs connected via cable wiyhout router
[16:23] <Kilos> without
[16:23] <Kilos> have had lotsa fun
[16:24] <psydroid> ah yes
[16:24] <Kilos> both pcs use 1 3g modem
[16:24] <Kilos> the iptables thing was a bit of a head scratcher but the guys helped me sort it
[16:27] <psydroid> yeah
[16:28] <psydroid> so it's better to keep a working system in that case
[16:28] <Kilos> thats maverick on the second pc
[16:28] <Kilos> hehe
[16:28] <psydroid> and keep experimenting with newer releases on other partitions or computers
[16:29] <Kilos> i will wait till our cds arrive from canonical then try 12.10
[16:30] <Kilos> too much to download
[16:33]  * bakuman kry dit op SU se local repo's
[16:33] <psydroid> yeah
[16:33] <Kilos> SU?
[16:33] <bakuman> Stellenboshc
[16:34] <Kilos> ah lekker hey?
[16:34] <Kilos> but whats improved from 12.04 to 12.10
[16:35] <Kilos> im looking at lts being a big data saver
[16:36] <psydroid> which is normally the case
[16:38] <psydroid> but 12.04 is performing too slowly for me and almost anyone I installed it for due the broken graphics acceleration
[16:38] <psydroid> with nvidia graphics it's even worse
[16:39] <Kilos> mine improve after nvidia-current sorted my nvidia card there must be some driver you can use
[16:39] <Kilos> doesnt it show on extra drivers i think its called
[16:40] <Kilos> ya nvidia wont help with radeon
[16:40] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[16:40] <Kilos> must be some driver you can get psydroid 
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: ek't darem voor die reen by die huis gekom dankie
[16:41] <Kilos> sjoe gelukig ne
[16:41] <Kilos> hard geval hier
 Squirm, hasnt even started yawning yet <<-- Was already on my way to Durban
[16:41] <Kilos> 15mm of so
[16:41] <Kilos> lol
[16:41] <Kilos> good lad
[16:41] <inetpro> sjoe, ek dink nie ons het so baie hier gekry nie
[16:42] <Kilos> i thought that would get an immediate reaction from you
[16:42] <inetpro> maar ek het gesien hoe die wolke donker word vanaf die suide toe skarrel ek maar huis toe
[16:42] <Kilos> lekker gereen en sonder hael
[16:42] <inetpro> mooi
[16:43] <Kilos> hael nooit as dit van die suide af kom nie
[16:43] <psydroid> Kilos, it performed slowly on both ati and nvidia graphics, that's why I didn't install this release for anyone
[16:43] <Kilos> aw thats a shame psydroid 
[16:44] <Kilos> is 12.10 better?
[16:44] <psydroid> yes, 12.10 is much better
[16:44] <psydroid> I've been using it for the past month now
[16:45] <Kilos> oh thats interesting. could you work out why?
[16:45] <Kilos> only graphics?
[16:46] <psydroid> yes, I think it's the graphics stack that works again
[16:47] <psydroid> I used to work well until about a month before the 12.04 release
[16:47] <Kilos> i think ill keep 12.04 unity and kde and just experiment with 12.10
[16:48] <Kilos> so probs started on 11.10 already?
[16:48] <Kilos> i skipped 11.04 and 11.10
[16:48] <Kilos> first 2 i skipped since 8.04
[16:49] <Kilos> the unity thing was too much for me and gnome wasnt same as gnome 2
[16:49] <psydroid> 11.10 was too buggy for me so I deleted it from my system
[16:50] <psydroid> ah yes, I can't use unity
[16:50] <psydroid> it slows me down too much
[16:50] <Kilos> lol im actually using it here now
[16:50] <Kilos> but i dont need to rush things
[16:50] <inetpro> unity has come a long way and is constantly improving
[16:51] <inetpro> for normal users I would recommend unity any day
[16:51] <Kilos> mine is lekker now after a backup from kde with 10 workspaces
[16:52] <Kilos> but still not as fast as maverick
[16:52] <psydroid> yeah, I just want to use my computer for development, I'm sure it will be useful to many other people
[16:55] <Kilos> good
[16:55] <Kilos> always good to have reliable fixes online
[16:55] <inetpro> 10 reasons why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8 http://tek.io/QSDJNB
[16:56] <inetpro> interesting that you even see articles about Ubuntu on Techrepublic these days
[17:01] <Squirm> I was at an MS IT Camp all day today
[17:01] <Squirm> still prefer linux :P
[17:02] <Kilos> i dash for supper. wbb
[17:02] <Squirm> there were no BSOD's :(
[17:22] <Kilos> so magespawn wassup
[17:23] <hubx> hi there
[17:23] <Kilos> hi hubx 
[17:24] <hubx> Did ever hear of club-mate? It is very popular in germany.
[17:24] <Kilos> nope what is it
[17:25] <hubx> Its a beverage. Same category as energy drinks (caffeine), but a lot cheaper and its taste better.
[17:26] <hubx> seems like there were an attempt to bring to SA, but there apparently  not very active atm: http://www.club-mate.co.za/
[17:26] <Kilos> peeps here drink redbull 
[17:26] <Kilos> dont give me energy though
[17:27] <Kilos> i think its all in the mind
[17:27] <hubx> its taste like pure sugar.
[17:27] <hubx> yes, i think thats true more like a habit
[17:27] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <hubx> " Slowly the rest of Berlin soaked up Club-Mate to the point where it has now become iconic of the Berlin Culture itself."
[17:29] <hubx> http://we-are-awesome.com/blog/2011/08/club-mate/
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:29] <hubx> true, everybody in Berlin under the age of 35 drinks it
[17:29] <Kilos> you going to the release party hubx ?
[17:30] <Kilos> the gauteng one
[17:31] <Kilos> you have joined our mailing list havent you?
[17:31] <hubx> I hope so, but it is the last weekend in SA for a friend.
[17:31] <hubx> yes, but I didn't receive any mails yet
[17:31] <Kilos> whew tough decision then
[17:31] <Kilos> i got 20 today
[17:31] <hubx> maybe I can convince her to join :)
[17:31] <Kilos> you missing something
[17:31] <Kilos> good idea
[17:31] <hubx> oh congrats :)
[17:33] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:34] <Kilos> you joined that one?
[17:34] <hubx> jup just now, i forgot to approve the subscription
[17:34] <Kilos> lol no wonder you get nothing
[17:46] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you got 5 mins
[17:46] <Kilos> ?
[17:47] <Kilos> i forget them things
[17:48] <Kilos> just an idea. seeing as we now get ubuntu on dvd isnt it practical then to add a few more apps to make things easier for first time users
[17:49] <Kilos> seems a waste of a dvd with only 800 meg on
[17:49] <Kilos> hi drussell not so?
[17:51] <Kilos> inetpro, superfly am i outa line?
[17:52] <superfly> Kilos: no, I think you're just talking to yourself :-P
[17:52] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:53] <Kilos> isnt it logical to use some of the extra space?
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: they should still try to keep it slim
[17:54] <Kilos> for peeps that download?
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[17:55] <inetpro> seriously, you don't need everything that is available
[17:55] <Kilos> no man the important things
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: what is the important stuff that you think is missing?
[17:56] <Kilos> like maybe whats in the first update and synaptic etc
[17:56] <inetpro> please explain
[17:56] <Kilos> new peeps dunno sudo apt-get update
[17:56] <inetpro> and?
[17:56] <inetpro> how you plan to solve that?
[17:56] <Kilos> \lol
[17:56] <Kilos> pidgin and xchat
[17:56] <inetpro> ai
[17:56] <Kilos> rofl
[17:57] <Kilos> quassel for kde users
[17:57] <inetpro> who needs pidgin and xchat?
[17:57] <inetpro> quassel comes standard with kubuntu
[17:58] <Kilos> i dunno what other peeps install
[17:58] <Kilos> hi smileE17 
[17:58] <smileE17> Look at Cape Town :P http://cdn.dutchcowboys.nl/images/upload/twitter-loading-speeds.png
[17:58] <smileE17> hi Kilos 
[18:00] <Kilos> inetpro, the idea is to target new users as well
[18:00] <inetpro> Kilos: join #ubuntu-meeting and talk to them when they make their decisions
[18:00] <Kilos> and peeps used to winsucks expect an install to work as is with updates etc an option
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: what doesn't work?
[18:01] <inetpro> and since when do you get a working system when you install the base windows installation?
[18:01] <Kilos> xp was complete
[18:02] <inetpro> no ways
[18:02] <Kilos> win7
[18:02] <inetpro> no ways
[18:02] <inetpro> in order to have a working system you need office et all
[18:02] <Kilos> i didnt download anything apart from avast and zonealarm
[18:02] <Kilos> ive never used office
[18:03] <inetpro> hmm... 
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: 90% of users need a decent word processor and spreadsheet
[18:03] <inetpro> well maybe not 90% but a lot
[18:04] <Kilos> well unity has that now with libreoffice
[18:04] <Kilos> or does that need to update before working properly too
[18:04] <inetpro> linux desktops have come with proper desktop applications for many many years by default
[18:05] <inetpro> and all those fit on that single cd
[18:05] <Kilos> ya but not much works till update/upgrade is done
[18:05] <inetpro> I disagree
[18:05] <Kilos> you havent tried a clean install with no internet
[18:06] <Kilos> 10.10 even evolution didnt work till upgrade
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: you're a special case
[18:06] <inetpro> you have always had issues with your particular hardware
[18:07] <Kilos> ya man but evo didnt tork till update/upgrade as an example
[18:07] <Kilos> work
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: well evo is no longer standard AFAIAA
[18:08] <Kilos> example only
[18:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: hello, yes?
[18:08] <inetpro> evo has always been very bloated
[18:08] <Kilos> tumbleweed, seems im outa line
[18:08] <Kilos> sorry to worry you
[18:08] <tumbleweed> ah, np
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: you're not outa line at all
[18:09] <inetpro> it's just not so easy to come with solutions that will please everyone all the time
[18:09] <Kilos> by that i meant making dom suggestions
[18:10] <inetpro> and I think those guys making the decisions are doing a damn good job
[18:10] <Kilos> this is actually not for me as long as 8ta has the 2+1 
[18:10] <inetpro> there's a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes
[18:10] <Kilos> yes they are i agree
[18:10] <Kilos> was just a suggestion
[18:11] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:11]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately we don't have so many of us in #ubuntu-za involved in that process
[18:11] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:12] <inetpro> I only know of the tumbling weed really at this stage
[18:12] <Kilos> yeah but im saure im not the only that had this idea seeing as we cant go with cds anymore
[18:13] <Kilos> sure
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: your ideas are falling on death ears in #ubuntu-za
[18:14] <Kilos> but not serious as long as 8ta keep the 2+1
[18:14] <inetpro> not that I say that you should not mention them
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: we will hopefully have even better deals than the 8ta 2+1 at some stage
[18:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[18:15] <inetpro> pricing has to come down
[18:15] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:15] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:15] <Kilos> even better?
[18:15] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[18:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[18:31] <smileE17> bye
[18:31] <smileE17> see ya :;)
[18:31] <smileE17> good night
[18:31] <smileE17> :)
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: we're very much still suffering from the Telkom monopoly of a few years ago
[18:32] <Kilos> yeah but much better than 3 years ago
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: still not anywhere good enough
[18:33] <Kilos> compared to charlvn and them they are paying mush more
[18:33] <inetpro> we're not nearly as competitive as we should be
[18:34] <Kilos> so we getting there
[18:34] <Kilos> as telkom and the others fight each other for customers we can only score
[18:35] <Kilos> saw a voda add today pay first 3 mins and next 57 mins free
[18:35] <Kilos> on calls
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: those are just very clever marketing tactics on a small scale
[18:36] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: those kind of offers have lots of small print
[18:38] <Kilos> lol all wasted on me, i never fone
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: they know that most users will keep what they have
[18:41] <Kilos> yip but 8ta has rocked some boats methinks
[18:41] <inetpro> I say they should do away will all the many packages and have a single rate for everyone
[18:41] <Kilos> think back coupla years
[18:43] <inetpro> mobile voice call rates should come down to the levels of fixed line call rates
[18:44] <Kilos> that would help lots yes
[18:44] <Kilos> then telkom will lose lots of fixed line peeps though
[18:45] <inetpro> fixed lines should really not be needed till the last mile
[18:47] <Kilos> lol here its the last mile that gets stolen
[18:52] <inetpro> well ultimately we should have fiber running to each house
[18:52] <inetpro> but that will take many years to get there
[18:53] <Kilos> whew that would be lovely
[18:53] <Kilos> m/s downloads
[19:08] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[19:08] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[19:08] <nlsthzn> inetpro, salute :)
[19:08] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos 
[19:19] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
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