| * smartboyhw finds yesterday's logs a bit difficult to consume | 01:50 | |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, try salt :) and a glass of water | 02:18 |
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| smartboyhw | len-dt, LOL | 02:20 |
| smartboyhw | falktx, can't test for you I half-upgraded to raring now:P | 02:37 |
| falktx | heh, raring is not even started | 02:40 |
| smartboyhw | Finally the announcement mail arrived:D | 12:42 |
| smartboyhw | i think scott-work sort of copied my post on Ubuntu Forums:P | 12:43 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: From the looks of it, perhaps you also took some from his original release notes? | 13:17 |
| smartboyhw | ailo-w, yes but then he publicly admitted he copied it from me:P so fair game | 13:18 |
| ScottL | micahg: i saw your comment in the "missing meta" bug, but i am unsure of your questions | 13:59 |
| ScottL | i would expect that the ubuntustudio-desktop meta should pull in the photo and publishing meta in any instance, whether it is an upgrade or just an installation | 14:00 |
| len-dt | ScottL, The seeds do that in the ISO | 14:01 |
| len-dt | ScottL, if we ever want to go back to an "only install what you want" then the metas need to not be in Desktop. | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | Hi ScottL | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | Good job on copying my forum post:P | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | hi len-dt | 14:02 |
| len-dt | hello | 14:02 |
| ScottL | len-dt: oh yeah, good point. i had completely forgotten that was a requirement of the ubiquity plugin | 14:03 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: yes, i thought i did a 'fabulous' job of copying your forum post :P | 14:03 |
| ScottL | i still have a few more emails to send out to "third party" type places, like distrowatch, linux outlaws, and a few others | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL, :P | 14:04 |
| ScottL | i also posted on g+, twitter, facebook, identica and posted again as "ubuntu studio" on g+ and facebook | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL, so you are not at work today? (according to your nick):D | 14:05 |
| ScottL | doh, i got out of routine this morning. when i don't follow the rote path i tend to do things like that | 14:05 |
| ScottL | (and forget my wedding ring in the morning sometimes as well, much to my wife's chagrin) | 14:05 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 14:07 |
| astraljava | What, is she afraid you'd hit on one of your fellow engineers at work? Like, seriously?! | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | good j/k astraljava | 14:09 |
| astraljava | Nonetheless, the ring's an attraction these days, or so I've heard... Figures, when I don't have one anymore... | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL, do you HAVE to send things to distrowatch? Look at http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07508 | 14:24 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: i think so, when i haven't (and once when i did) sent them an email i have not seen an announcement | 14:43 |
| ScottL | although i thought that vanilla ubuntu was handling that, or consolidating the announcements, at one time | 14:43 |
| ScottL | but i have just been emailing distrowatch to make sure anyways | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | ;p | 14:44 |
| ScottL | oh ho. looks like it has been done. yay :) | 14:44 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 14:44 |
| ailo | I never knew there was a Ubuntu Studio facebook page | 14:50 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, and I never know there is a Ubuntu Studio G+ page:P | 14:50 |
| ailo | ScottL: Maybe do a list of all the social channels where there's a Ubuntu Studio page/account, and think about adding links to them at the home page. At the very least, list them in some wiki page | 14:51 |
| * smartboyhw agrees | 14:51 | |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Why I am puzzled about the fb page is because there was talk about starting one a few months ago, but it seems there has been one active all along | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, Oh! | 14:52 |
| ScottL | ailo: i had written down (but not posted yet to the ML) about a "Public Relation" page (wiki or website or wherever) that has the places to email/post for release/test/whatever and also some standard verbiage and any other assets | 14:53 |
| ScottL | ailo: smartboyhw: i didn't even know we had one until jussi asked me to be admin for it, this was a few months ago | 14:53 |
| ScottL | one = facebook page | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL, oh... | 14:53 |
| * ScottL suspects jussi was looking to reduce the number of his responsibilities :P | 14:54 | |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 14:54 |
| ailo | ScottL: I can take care of the paper work, if you could just give me a list | 14:54 |
| * smartboyhw wants to have a list of social channels that ScottL opened | 14:54 | |
| ScottL | ailo: sure, you want them spammed her or in an email? maybe a pastebin? | 15:09 |
| ScottL | oh, oh. i wanted to mention that volti (or similar spelling) is available in quantal, this was the audio control/mixer application that was discussed on the mailing list some months ago | 15:10 |
| ailo | ScottL: Any format works for me. I'll add a blueprint about it too | 15:10 |
| ailo | I'll add volti to be considered for seeds then, also | 15:11 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL, it is correct it is volti:D | 15:11 |
| ScottL | ailo: i'll start it but i need to get some other stuff done at work, and i will send it to you in a few hours | 15:11 |
| ailo | ScottL: Ok, great | 15:13 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, don't forget to prepare your session on Open Week, you do need to prepare. You are lucky that you only have to prepare things for half an hour, I have to prepare things for a FULL hour...:P | 15:14 |
| ailo | ScottL: len-dt volti seems like a nice addition to the pulseaudio volume control, as it has alsa controls | 15:14 |
| smartboyhw | python-alsaaudio, python-xlib along with volti | 15:15 |
| ailo | Too bad the mixer is superwide, at least on my system. | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | bye len-dt ailo ScottL | 15:17 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Sleep well | 15:17 |
| ailo | ScottL: Do you have the channels linked somehow? So you can do postings on all of them at once, is what I'm getting at | 15:32 |
| ailo | ..I mean, why I ask you if they are linked :) | 15:32 |
| ailo | Anyway. I know you can do that with Indentica and FB, but don't know about G+. Should look into that | 15:33 |
| ailo | Identica* | 15:33 |
| ailo | ScottL: Seems like it would be a good practice to use them as news channels. We just need to add that to our routines | 15:35 |
| ScottL | ailo: i have seven minutes before a meeting, here it goes: | 15:55 |
| ScottL | i post on the -dev mailing list, the -users mailing list, my blog, g+ (which get's posted automatically from my blog), i used "broadcast" to post to identica, facebook, and twitter | 15:56 |
| ScottL | then i follow up with posting as "ubuntu studio" on facebook and g+ | 15:58 |
| ScottL | i also email linux outlaws, distrowatch | 15:59 |
| ScottL | i can't think of anything else at this point, but i'm sure i have something in a gdoc somewhere | 16:00 |
| ScottL | we should also brainstorm to list out any podcast or publication (online or otherwise) that has a big following (which is why i do linux outlaws) | 16:00 |
| * ScottL is going to meeting | 16:00 | |
| holstein | the linux action show mentioned us after switching to XFCE | 16:01 |
| holstein | maybe they would review us? | 16:01 |
| ailo | ScottL: I guess some of those are more of your personal channels, while other, if named strictly Ubuntu Studio would appear as official | 16:26 |
| ailo | I would suggest to use the same posting on all of the official social channels | 16:28 |
| ailo | ScottL: If you continue to be the admin of those channels, then it will be your task to do the actual posting, while any of us can author the actual post | 16:29 |
| ailo | And, if we do implement them as official news channels, at the very least, they will be used to post about releases | 16:29 |
| ailo | We could add to that anything interesting we find about Ubuntu Studio on blogs, other news channels, distro watch, etc | 16:31 |
| ailo | Interviews.. | 16:32 |
| ailo | Of course, then we need people active at keeping track of these things | 16:33 |
| ailo | I guess holstein would be one candidate for such a task? | 16:33 |
| * holstein perks up | 16:33 | |
| ScottL | ailo: i'm confusing and worried that i'm not understanding something, when you say "news channel" or "channels" do you mean facebook specific or is this a generic term? | 16:53 |
| ScottL | i think smartboy has done fairly good about keeping up with releases as well, he might be a good candidate for PR as well | 16:53 |
| ailo | ScottL: I don't make a distinction between G+, Facebook, or Identica. I do make a distinction between personal channels, and official ones though | 16:54 |
| ailo | ScottL: I agree. | 16:54 |
| ailo | ScottL: Anything called "Ubuntu Studio" would seem like an official channel to me | 16:56 |
| holstein | ailo: :) | 16:57 |
| ailo | Seems like Xubuntu dropped out from Open Week | 17:03 |
| holstein | i wish i could help | 17:04 |
| holstein | im going to be playing the first of 2 shows tomorrow then | 17:04 |
| ailo | Doesn't seem like an overly active occasion | 17:04 |
| holstein | i thought it was nice | 17:04 |
| holstein | gives a nice reference point | 17:04 |
| holstein | and makes us all look busy :) | 17:04 |
| ailo | Yeah, and competent | 17:05 |
| scott-work | ailo: something else we should include in the PR data/information/knowledge base: we should include which tags we should use, e.g. #ubuntu, #ubuntustudio, !ubuntustudio or whatever | 18:09 |
| scott-work | we should also probably include some of this information (i.e. the tags ) on the website or similar to inform people to look for these items on their social medias | 18:09 |
| ailo | scott-work: Sure. So, if I understand correctly, there are only two social channels under the name "Ubuntu Studio". g+ and facebook? | 18:26 |
| scott-work | ailo: aye, those are the ones of which i am aware and that we actual control | 18:29 |
| scott-work | i think there are a few others within facebook and identica that are groups or whatever | 18:29 |
| ailo | scott-work: Can't find a identi.ca Ubuntu Studio channel. Perhaps you'd like to create one? | 18:31 |
| scott-work | ailo: i found the group in identica: http://identi.ca/group/ubuntustudio | 18:36 |
| scott-work | it took a bloody long time though, not sure why it was so hard to find it | 18:36 |
| scott-work | the page has the admin on it too | 18:37 |
| ailo | scott-work: Ah, I see Ricardo there. But, no single account. I'm currently looking at gwibber settings for accounts. | 18:39 |
| scott-work | I'm not sure what you mean by "no single account" | 18:41 |
| ailo | scott-work: Ubuntu is really advancing the integration between social accounts and software, I see. But, no gwibber support for g+ yet | 18:41 |
| ailo | scott-work: Well, a user account named Ubuntu Studio | 18:41 |
| ailo | Or, ubuntustudio | 18:41 |
| scott-work | oh yeah, that's because i believe g+ is hiding the API for it | 18:41 |
| scott-work | ah, i understand | 18:41 |
| scott-work | interestingly i found a really good video posted on that page by ricardo: http://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml | 18:48 |
| scott-work | good information if you are interested in what happens to audio and video when it goes digital and how we sample/quantify it | 18:49 |
| jussi | scott-work: true that :D | 18:49 |
| jussi | (about the responsibilities) | 18:50 |
| ailo | scott-work: But hey, only Ninjas can do it :( | 18:50 |
| * ailo actually did learn some ninjutsu a long time ago | 18:52 | |
| holstein | OK.. *statement* | 19:17 |
| holstein | seems like i get my volume icons on the desktop from 2 places | 19:17 |
| holstein | almost like XFCE is making them and nautilus | 19:17 |
| ailo | nautilus doesn't handle volume icons. Never happened to me | 19:19 |
| ailo | holstein: Try googling it. | 19:19 |
| holstein | i just got started on it | 19:19 |
| holstein | if i turn off "show volumes" in xfce settings... then i only get one icon for my hard drives, but none for USB sticks | 19:20 |
| holstein | which is find for me | 19:20 |
| holstein | fine* | 19:20 |
| holstein | but its odd... | 19:20 |
| ailo | holstein: Ah, I thought you meant the volume applet, sorry | 19:21 |
| ailo | holstein: That would seem like nautilus is putting icons on there, yes | 19:21 |
| ailo | holstein: did you add anything else, desktop wise? | 19:21 |
| ailo | Like, another desktop system? | 19:21 |
| holstein | ailo: nah... its still pretty "fresh" | 19:21 |
| holstein | ailo: nvidia drivers... thats about it | 19:22 |
| holstein | still stock wallpaper :) | 19:22 |
| holstein | i should get a bug report going about this one... | 19:22 |
| holstein | seems easy enough to sort out, though we might just drop nautilus | 19:22 |
| ailo | 64 f/p is pretty stable for me. No xruns so far. 32 f/p with 3 p/b is just at the limit, with a few xruns | 19:23 |
| ailo | On 2.6.37 I was able to run the system at 32 f/p | 19:23 |
| ailo | So, it's definately a kernel regression, between versions | 19:23 |
| ailo | Not because of -lowlatency per se | 19:23 |
| ailo | I would assume -realtime has the same problems | 19:24 |
| holstein | yeah, im comparing a realtime kernel to a lowlatency one | 19:24 |
| holstein | and its not bad at all actually | 19:24 |
| ailo | Actually, I have a -realtime on my Debian install | 19:24 |
| ailo | And it's not much better | 19:24 |
| ailo | If at all | 19:24 |
| ailo | They're including a -realtime in the Debian main repo now | 19:24 |
| holstein | interesting | 19:24 |
| ailo | Something in the kernel made things go slow at around version 3 | 19:25 |
| holstein | hmmm.. now its not automatically picking up any usb sticks | 19:27 |
| holstein | i know it did right after install.. i tested that test case on QA | 19:27 |
| holstein | maybe i broke something | 19:27 |
| holstein | 12.10 looks *really* good! | 19:29 |
| holstein | i set out today to wipe my drive and put 12.10 on the production rig | 19:29 |
| holstein | just had a few tests to do to make sure, and i certainly cant replace the functionality of 10.04 yet with 12.10 out of the box | 19:30 |
| holstein | but, my 10.04 system is quite tweaked | 19:30 |
| holstein | ailo: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel is what you are using? | 19:31 |
| holstein | kernel-wise? | 19:31 |
| holstein | hmmm.. i guess there are only alsa-firmware packages in there for quantal | 19:33 |
| ailo | holstein: No, I use the -lowlatency with Ubuntu Studio, and on Debian, I use the -realtime in the repo | 19:41 |
| ailo | I'm not bothering with any realtime kernels right now though. Just tried the one on Debian, since it was there | 19:42 |
| ailo | I'll be using -lowlatency, but an earlier version for my live setup, and then continue using the current -lowlatency on my home machine | 19:42 |
| holstein | i might test the http://liquorix.net/debian/pool/main/l/linux-liquorix/ | 19:43 |
| holstein | im still on a seperate hard drive.. why not, right? | 19:43 |
| ailo | holstein: Well, it is one version newer | 19:45 |
| * scott-work didn't read all the backscroll but.... | 20:00 | |
| scott-work | holstein: there is also an automount toggle too | 20:01 |
| scott-work | it can't show the volumes if they aren't mounted | 20:01 |
| holstein | scott-work: i'll check for that.. i bet it'll show the usb ones | 20:03 |
| holstein | scott-work: i have 2 icons for my internal hard drives | 20:04 |
| holstein | out of the box | 20:04 |
| holstein | like XFCE is drawing them and nautilus as well | 20:04 |
| holstein | we should double check this and just disable the nautilus one | 20:04 |
| len-dt | holstein, I don't think it is nautilus. (could be wrong) but I have had problems with thunar not releasing USB sticks. | 20:08 |
| len-dt | I ran thunar as default file manager for a few weeks, but I found that often I could not unmount them. I had to kill tumblerd before I could unmount. | 20:09 |
| len-dt | I think there is something from xfce 4.8 to 4.10 that is odd. I need to try xubuntu again, but it seems to me they had the same problem without nautilus. | 20:11 |
| holstein | im getting a screenie | 20:11 |
| len-dt | scott-work, Volti -1... | 20:11 |
| len-dt | Volti takes up two screen widths | 20:12 |
| holstein | http://imagebin.org/232998 | 20:13 |
| len-dt | A nice mixer should be able to fit on the same screen as qjackctl with the connection window open and maybe the logs too. | 20:13 |
| len-dt | Ya, I have that here too holstein | 20:13 |
| len-dt | There is a bug (actually about 3 of them) for that already. | 20:14 |
| len-dt | bug #1044896 | 20:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1044896 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "desktop shows removable storage devices twice" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044896 | 20:15 |
| len-dt | Maybe we should replace thunar as the desktop. | 20:18 |
| len-dt | with nautilus | 20:18 |
| len-dt | holstein, ^^ | 20:19 |
| len-dt | Anyway Gotta go. | 20:19 |
| micahg | the issue affects xubuntu as well | 20:21 |
| holstein | micahg: good to know... are there plans in xubuntu? | 20:22 |
| * holstein starts to look at the links for the bugs | 20:22 | |
| holstein | its not a deal breaker for me by any means | 20:22 |
| micahg | I know people were complaining, so I'm guessing it'll be fixed | 20:25 |
| scott-work | holstein: it is interesting that it is different icons as well, that really makes me think that two separate systems are providing the desktop icons | 20:25 |
| holstein | i'll try and join the bugs and keep an eye on it for US | 20:25 |
| holstein | scott-work: when i "hover" the icons all change to the same icon ;) | 20:26 |
| holstein | its odd | 20:26 |
| holstein | scott-work: is there a realtime kernel i should be testing? | 20:26 |
| holstein | im just going to leave this machine setup like this.. with a spare hard drive for testing | 20:27 |
| scott-work | i used to use a separate hard drive like that too | 20:27 |
| scott-work | holstein: i don't know about any realtime kernels at this time, not to say they aren't out there, just that i don't know about them | 20:27 |
| holstein | i wanted to keep my production rig all seperate, but this is fine | 20:27 |
| holstein | and im enjoying testing | 20:27 |
| scott-work | i'm a lowlatency kernel guy, through and through :) | 20:27 |
| holstein | scott-work: im going to try the liqourix one | 20:28 |
| ailo | len-dt: Maybe we should try to patch the code for volti | 20:31 |
| ailo | Seemed like a nice app, other than the superwide width | 20:31 |
| ailo | Time for my midnight meditation. bb tomorrow | 20:32 |
| holstein | well, liqourix is slightly worse than the lowlatency | 20:44 |
| holstein | thats good news | 20:44 |
| holstein | i think i have broken the usb stick mounting... it worked right after install | 20:46 |
| scott-work | that is interesting news about liqourix vs lowlatency | 20:47 |
| scott-work | might not be that it was "inferior" but maybe just some setting isn't compatible with something ubuntu has set up | 20:47 |
| * scott-work is just grasping at straws though | 20:47 | |
| scott-work | sucks about the usb mounting though :( | 20:48 |
| holstein | it was just that stick | 20:48 |
| scott-work | reboot? | 20:48 |
| holstein | its back | 20:48 |
| scott-work | ah, good :) | 20:48 |
| holstein | i need to get a whole week off like this! | 20:50 |
| len-dt | holstein, the usb stick is not supposed to automount in 12.10. But it should show up on the desktop and in nautilus... just not mounted. | 21:17 |
| holstein | len-dt: it was a bad stick or something | 21:17 |
| holstein | it wasnt showing up at all | 21:17 |
| holstein | i did some troubleshooting and got it sorted as it was after the install | 21:17 |
| len-dt | Ahh, we turned the "automount" off for the live ISO because the install wouldn't work. The installer would create a new partition and format it and then the automounter would steal it from the installer | 21:18 |
| holstein | len-dt: i think thats fine | 21:18 |
| holstein | i just want to see it in the filemanager | 21:19 |
| len-dt | Personally I prefer not to have have any icons on my desktop and so I turn them off. | 21:19 |
| holstein | len-dt: yeah... i do on my laptop for sure | 21:20 |
| len-dt | ailo, the 12.10 GRUB config just has "Ubuntu" at startup. We should change this to Ubuntu Studio and have the kernel type (just generic or low latency) for those with a lap top that use generic to save battery sometimes. | 23:48 |
| falktx | afaik other distros are the same | 23:50 |
| falktx | Kubuntu also says "Ubuntu" | 23:50 |
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