[01:50] * smartboyhw finds yesterday's logs a bit difficult to consume [02:18] smartboyhw, try salt :) and a glass of water [02:20] len-dt, LOL [02:37] falktx, can't test for you I half-upgraded to raring now:P [02:40] heh, raring is not even started [12:42] Finally the announcement mail arrived:D [12:43] i think scott-work sort of copied my post on Ubuntu Forums:P [13:17] smartboyhw: From the looks of it, perhaps you also took some from his original release notes? [13:18] ailo-w, yes but then he publicly admitted he copied it from me:P so fair game [13:59] micahg: i saw your comment in the "missing meta" bug, but i am unsure of your questions [14:00] i would expect that the ubuntustudio-desktop meta should pull in the photo and publishing meta in any instance, whether it is an upgrade or just an installation [14:01] ScottL, The seeds do that in the ISO [14:02] ScottL, if we ever want to go back to an "only install what you want" then the metas need to not be in Desktop. [14:02] Hi ScottL [14:02] Good job on copying my forum post:P [14:02] hi len-dt [14:02] hello [14:03] len-dt: oh yeah, good point. i had completely forgotten that was a requirement of the ubiquity plugin [14:03] smartboyhw: yes, i thought i did a 'fabulous' job of copying your forum post :P [14:04] i still have a few more emails to send out to "third party" type places, like distrowatch, linux outlaws, and a few others [14:04] ScottL, :P [14:04] i also posted on g+, twitter, facebook, identica and posted again as "ubuntu studio" on g+ and facebook [14:05] ScottL, so you are not at work today? (according to your nick):D [14:05] doh, i got out of routine this morning. when i don't follow the rote path i tend to do things like that [14:05] (and forget my wedding ring in the morning sometimes as well, much to my wife's chagrin) [14:07] lol [14:08] What, is she afraid you'd hit on one of your fellow engineers at work? Like, seriously?! [14:09] good j/k astraljava [14:12] Nonetheless, the ring's an attraction these days, or so I've heard... Figures, when I don't have one anymore... [14:24] ScottL, do you HAVE to send things to distrowatch? Look at http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07508 [14:43] smartboyhw: i think so, when i haven't (and once when i did) sent them an email i have not seen an announcement [14:43] although i thought that vanilla ubuntu was handling that, or consolidating the announcements, at one time [14:43] but i have just been emailing distrowatch to make sure anyways [14:44] ;p [14:44] oh ho. looks like it has been done. yay :) [14:44] lol [14:50] I never knew there was a Ubuntu Studio facebook page [14:50] ailo, and I never know there is a Ubuntu Studio G+ page:P [14:51] ScottL: Maybe do a list of all the social channels where there's a Ubuntu Studio page/account, and think about adding links to them at the home page. At the very least, list them in some wiki page [14:51] * smartboyhw agrees [14:52] smartboyhw: Why I am puzzled about the fb page is because there was talk about starting one a few months ago, but it seems there has been one active all along [14:52] ailo, Oh! [14:53] ailo: i had written down (but not posted yet to the ML) about a "Public Relation" page (wiki or website or wherever) that has the places to email/post for release/test/whatever and also some standard verbiage and any other assets [14:53] ailo: smartboyhw: i didn't even know we had one until jussi asked me to be admin for it, this was a few months ago [14:53] one = facebook page [14:53] ScottL, oh... [14:54] * ScottL suspects jussi was looking to reduce the number of his responsibilities :P [14:54] LOL [14:54] ScottL: I can take care of the paper work, if you could just give me a list [14:54] * smartboyhw wants to have a list of social channels that ScottL opened [15:09] ailo: sure, you want them spammed her or in an email? maybe a pastebin? [15:10] oh, oh. i wanted to mention that volti (or similar spelling) is available in quantal, this was the audio control/mixer application that was discussed on the mailing list some months ago [15:10] ScottL: Any format works for me. I'll add a blueprint about it too [15:11] I'll add volti to be considered for seeds then, also [15:11] ScottL, it is correct it is volti:D [15:11] ailo: i'll start it but i need to get some other stuff done at work, and i will send it to you in a few hours [15:13] ScottL: Ok, great [15:14] ailo, don't forget to prepare your session on Open Week, you do need to prepare. You are lucky that you only have to prepare things for half an hour, I have to prepare things for a FULL hour...:P [15:14] ScottL: len-dt volti seems like a nice addition to the pulseaudio volume control, as it has alsa controls [15:15] python-alsaaudio, python-xlib along with volti [15:17] Too bad the mixer is superwide, at least on my system. [15:17] bye len-dt ailo ScottL [15:17] smartboyhw: Sleep well [15:32] ScottL: Do you have the channels linked somehow? So you can do postings on all of them at once, is what I'm getting at [15:32] ..I mean, why I ask you if they are linked :) [15:33] Anyway. I know you can do that with Indentica and FB, but don't know about G+. Should look into that [15:33] Identica* [15:35] ScottL: Seems like it would be a good practice to use them as news channels. We just need to add that to our routines [15:55] ailo: i have seven minutes before a meeting, here it goes: [15:56] i post on the -dev mailing list, the -users mailing list, my blog, g+ (which get's posted automatically from my blog), i used "broadcast" to post to identica, facebook, and twitter [15:58] then i follow up with posting as "ubuntu studio" on facebook and g+ [15:59] i also email linux outlaws, distrowatch [16:00] i can't think of anything else at this point, but i'm sure i have something in a gdoc somewhere [16:00] we should also brainstorm to list out any podcast or publication (online or otherwise) that has a big following (which is why i do linux outlaws) [16:00] * ScottL is going to meeting [16:01] the linux action show mentioned us after switching to XFCE [16:01] maybe they would review us? [16:26] ScottL: I guess some of those are more of your personal channels, while other, if named strictly Ubuntu Studio would appear as official [16:28] I would suggest to use the same posting on all of the official social channels [16:29] ScottL: If you continue to be the admin of those channels, then it will be your task to do the actual posting, while any of us can author the actual post [16:29] And, if we do implement them as official news channels, at the very least, they will be used to post about releases [16:31] We could add to that anything interesting we find about Ubuntu Studio on blogs, other news channels, distro watch, etc [16:32] Interviews.. [16:33] Of course, then we need people active at keeping track of these things [16:33] I guess holstein would be one candidate for such a task? [16:33] * holstein perks up [16:53] ailo: i'm confusing and worried that i'm not understanding something, when you say "news channel" or "channels" do you mean facebook specific or is this a generic term? [16:53] i think smartboy has done fairly good about keeping up with releases as well, he might be a good candidate for PR as well [16:54] ScottL: I don't make a distinction between G+, Facebook, or Identica. I do make a distinction between personal channels, and official ones though [16:54] ScottL: I agree. [16:56] ScottL: Anything called "Ubuntu Studio" would seem like an official channel to me [16:57] ailo: :) [17:03] Seems like Xubuntu dropped out from Open Week [17:04] i wish i could help [17:04] im going to be playing the first of 2 shows tomorrow then [17:04] Doesn't seem like an overly active occasion [17:04] i thought it was nice [17:04] gives a nice reference point [17:04] and makes us all look busy :) [17:05] Yeah, and competent [18:09] ailo: something else we should include in the PR data/information/knowledge base: we should include which tags we should use, e.g. #ubuntu, #ubuntustudio, !ubuntustudio or whatever [18:09] we should also probably include some of this information (i.e. the tags ) on the website or similar to inform people to look for these items on their social medias [18:26] scott-work: Sure. So, if I understand correctly, there are only two social channels under the name "Ubuntu Studio". g+ and facebook? [18:29] ailo: aye, those are the ones of which i am aware and that we actual control [18:29] i think there are a few others within facebook and identica that are groups or whatever [18:31] scott-work: Can't find a identi.ca Ubuntu Studio channel. Perhaps you'd like to create one? [18:36] ailo: i found the group in identica: http://identi.ca/group/ubuntustudio [18:36] it took a bloody long time though, not sure why it was so hard to find it [18:37] the page has the admin on it too [18:39] scott-work: Ah, I see Ricardo there. But, no single account. I'm currently looking at gwibber settings for accounts. [18:41] I'm not sure what you mean by "no single account" [18:41] scott-work: Ubuntu is really advancing the integration between social accounts and software, I see. But, no gwibber support for g+ yet [18:41] scott-work: Well, a user account named Ubuntu Studio [18:41] Or, ubuntustudio [18:41] oh yeah, that's because i believe g+ is hiding the API for it [18:41] ah, i understand [18:48] interestingly i found a really good video posted on that page by ricardo: http://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml [18:49] good information if you are interested in what happens to audio and video when it goes digital and how we sample/quantify it [18:49] scott-work: true that :D [18:50] (about the responsibilities) [18:50] scott-work: But hey, only Ninjas can do it :( [18:52] * ailo actually did learn some ninjutsu a long time ago [19:17] OK.. *statement* [19:17] seems like i get my volume icons on the desktop from 2 places [19:17] almost like XFCE is making them and nautilus [19:19] nautilus doesn't handle volume icons. Never happened to me [19:19] holstein: Try googling it. [19:19] i just got started on it [19:20] if i turn off "show volumes" in xfce settings... then i only get one icon for my hard drives, but none for USB sticks [19:20] which is find for me [19:20] fine* [19:20] but its odd... [19:21] holstein: Ah, I thought you meant the volume applet, sorry [19:21] holstein: That would seem like nautilus is putting icons on there, yes [19:21] holstein: did you add anything else, desktop wise? [19:21] Like, another desktop system? [19:21] ailo: nah... its still pretty "fresh" [19:22] ailo: nvidia drivers... thats about it [19:22] still stock wallpaper :) [19:22] i should get a bug report going about this one... [19:22] seems easy enough to sort out, though we might just drop nautilus [19:23] 64 f/p is pretty stable for me. No xruns so far. 32 f/p with 3 p/b is just at the limit, with a few xruns [19:23] On 2.6.37 I was able to run the system at 32 f/p [19:23] So, it's definately a kernel regression, between versions [19:23] Not because of -lowlatency per se [19:24] I would assume -realtime has the same problems [19:24] yeah, im comparing a realtime kernel to a lowlatency one [19:24] and its not bad at all actually [19:24] Actually, I have a -realtime on my Debian install [19:24] And it's not much better [19:24] If at all [19:24] They're including a -realtime in the Debian main repo now [19:24] interesting [19:25] Something in the kernel made things go slow at around version 3 [19:27] hmmm.. now its not automatically picking up any usb sticks [19:27] i know it did right after install.. i tested that test case on QA [19:27] maybe i broke something [19:29] 12.10 looks *really* good! [19:29] i set out today to wipe my drive and put 12.10 on the production rig [19:30] just had a few tests to do to make sure, and i certainly cant replace the functionality of 10.04 yet with 12.10 out of the box [19:30] but, my 10.04 system is quite tweaked [19:31] ailo: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel is what you are using? [19:31] kernel-wise? [19:33] hmmm.. i guess there are only alsa-firmware packages in there for quantal [19:41] holstein: No, I use the -lowlatency with Ubuntu Studio, and on Debian, I use the -realtime in the repo [19:42] I'm not bothering with any realtime kernels right now though. Just tried the one on Debian, since it was there [19:42] I'll be using -lowlatency, but an earlier version for my live setup, and then continue using the current -lowlatency on my home machine [19:43] i might test the http://liquorix.net/debian/pool/main/l/linux-liquorix/ [19:43] im still on a seperate hard drive.. why not, right? [19:45] holstein: Well, it is one version newer [20:00] * scott-work didn't read all the backscroll but.... [20:01] holstein: there is also an automount toggle too [20:01] it can't show the volumes if they aren't mounted [20:03] scott-work: i'll check for that.. i bet it'll show the usb ones [20:04] scott-work: i have 2 icons for my internal hard drives [20:04] out of the box [20:04] like XFCE is drawing them and nautilus as well [20:04] we should double check this and just disable the nautilus one [20:08] holstein, I don't think it is nautilus. (could be wrong) but I have had problems with thunar not releasing USB sticks. [20:09] I ran thunar as default file manager for a few weeks, but I found that often I could not unmount them. I had to kill tumblerd before I could unmount. [20:11] I think there is something from xfce 4.8 to 4.10 that is odd. I need to try xubuntu again, but it seems to me they had the same problem without nautilus. [20:11] im getting a screenie [20:11] scott-work, Volti -1... [20:12] Volti takes up two screen widths [20:13] http://imagebin.org/232998 [20:13] A nice mixer should be able to fit on the same screen as qjackctl with the connection window open and maybe the logs too. [20:13] Ya, I have that here too holstein [20:14] There is a bug (actually about 3 of them) for that already. [20:15] bug #1044896 [20:15] Launchpad bug 1044896 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "desktop shows removable storage devices twice" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044896 [20:18] Maybe we should replace thunar as the desktop. [20:18] with nautilus [20:19] holstein, ^^ [20:19] Anyway Gotta go. [20:21] the issue affects xubuntu as well [20:22] micahg: good to know... are there plans in xubuntu? [20:22] * holstein starts to look at the links for the bugs [20:22] its not a deal breaker for me by any means [20:25] I know people were complaining, so I'm guessing it'll be fixed [20:25] holstein: it is interesting that it is different icons as well, that really makes me think that two separate systems are providing the desktop icons [20:25] i'll try and join the bugs and keep an eye on it for US [20:26] scott-work: when i "hover" the icons all change to the same icon ;) [20:26] its odd [20:26] scott-work: is there a realtime kernel i should be testing? [20:27] im just going to leave this machine setup like this.. with a spare hard drive for testing [20:27] i used to use a separate hard drive like that too [20:27] holstein: i don't know about any realtime kernels at this time, not to say they aren't out there, just that i don't know about them [20:27] i wanted to keep my production rig all seperate, but this is fine [20:27] and im enjoying testing [20:27] i'm a lowlatency kernel guy, through and through :) [20:28] scott-work: im going to try the liqourix one [20:31] len-dt: Maybe we should try to patch the code for volti [20:31] Seemed like a nice app, other than the superwide width [20:32] Time for my midnight meditation. bb tomorrow [20:44] well, liqourix is slightly worse than the lowlatency [20:44] thats good news [20:46] i think i have broken the usb stick mounting... it worked right after install [20:47] that is interesting news about liqourix vs lowlatency [20:47] might not be that it was "inferior" but maybe just some setting isn't compatible with something ubuntu has set up [20:47] * scott-work is just grasping at straws though [20:48] sucks about the usb mounting though :( [20:48] it was just that stick [20:48] reboot? [20:48] its back [20:48] ah, good :) [20:50] i need to get a whole week off like this! [21:17] holstein, the usb stick is not supposed to automount in 12.10. But it should show up on the desktop and in nautilus... just not mounted. [21:17] len-dt: it was a bad stick or something [21:17] it wasnt showing up at all [21:17] i did some troubleshooting and got it sorted as it was after the install [21:18] Ahh, we turned the "automount" off for the live ISO because the install wouldn't work. The installer would create a new partition and format it and then the automounter would steal it from the installer [21:18] len-dt: i think thats fine [21:19] i just want to see it in the filemanager [21:19] Personally I prefer not to have have any icons on my desktop and so I turn them off. [21:20] len-dt: yeah... i do on my laptop for sure [23:48] ailo, the 12.10 GRUB config just has "Ubuntu" at startup. We should change this to Ubuntu Studio and have the kernel type (just generic or low latency) for those with a lap top that use generic to save battery sometimes. [23:50] afaik other distros are the same [23:50] Kubuntu also says "Ubuntu"