[01:50]  * smartboyhw finds yesterday's logs a bit difficult to consume
[02:18] <len-dt> smartboyhw, try salt :) and a glass of water
[02:20] <smartboyhw> len-dt, LOL
[02:37] <smartboyhw> falktx, can't test for you I half-upgraded to raring now:P
[02:40] <falktx> heh, raring is not even started
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Finally the announcement mail arrived:D
[12:43] <smartboyhw> i think scott-work sort of copied my post on Ubuntu Forums:P
[13:17] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: From the looks of it, perhaps you also took some from his original release notes?
[13:18] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, yes but then he publicly admitted he copied it from me:P so fair game
[13:59] <ScottL> micahg: i saw your comment in the "missing meta" bug, but i am unsure of your questions
[14:00] <ScottL> i would expect that the ubuntustudio-desktop meta should pull in the photo and publishing meta in any instance, whether it is an upgrade or just an installation
[14:01] <len-dt> ScottL, The seeds do that in the ISO
[14:02] <len-dt> ScottL, if we ever want to go back to an "only install what you want" then the metas need to not be in Desktop.
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Hi ScottL 
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Good job on copying my forum post:P
[14:02] <smartboyhw> hi len-dt 
[14:02] <len-dt> hello
[14:03] <ScottL> len-dt: oh yeah, good point. i had completely forgotten that was a requirement of the ubiquity plugin
[14:03] <ScottL> smartboyhw: yes, i thought i did a 'fabulous' job of copying your forum post :P
[14:04] <ScottL> i still have a few more emails to send out to "third party" type places, like distrowatch, linux outlaws, and a few others
[14:04] <smartboyhw> ScottL, :P
[14:04] <ScottL> i also posted on g+, twitter, facebook, identica and posted again as "ubuntu studio" on g+ and facebook
[14:05] <smartboyhw> ScottL, so you are not at work today? (according to your nick):D
[14:05] <ScottL> doh, i got out of routine this morning. when i don't follow the rote path i tend to do things like that
[14:05] <ScottL> (and forget my wedding ring in the morning sometimes as well, much to my wife's chagrin)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:08] <astraljava> What, is she afraid you'd hit on one of your fellow engineers at work? Like, seriously?!
[14:09] <smartboyhw> good j/k astraljava 
[14:12] <astraljava> Nonetheless, the ring's an attraction these days, or so I've heard... Figures, when I don't have one anymore...
[14:24] <smartboyhw> ScottL, do you HAVE to send things to distrowatch? Look at http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07508
[14:43] <ScottL> smartboyhw: i think so, when i haven't (and once when i did) sent them an email i have not seen an announcement
[14:43] <ScottL> although i thought that vanilla ubuntu was handling that, or consolidating the announcements, at one time
[14:43] <ScottL> but i have just been emailing distrowatch to make sure anyways
[14:44] <smartboyhw> ;p
[14:44] <ScottL> oh ho. looks like it has been done. yay :)
[14:44] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:50] <ailo> I never knew there was a Ubuntu Studio facebook page
[14:50] <smartboyhw> ailo, and I never know there is a Ubuntu Studio G+ page:P
[14:51] <ailo> ScottL: Maybe do a list of all the social channels where there's a Ubuntu Studio page/account, and think about adding links to them at the home page. At the very least, list them in some wiki page
[14:51]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:52] <ailo> smartboyhw: Why I am puzzled about the fb page is because there was talk about starting one a few months ago, but it seems there has been one active all along
[14:52] <smartboyhw> ailo, Oh!
[14:53] <ScottL> ailo: i had written down (but not posted yet to the ML) about a "Public Relation" page (wiki or website or wherever) that has the places to email/post for release/test/whatever and also some standard verbiage and any other assets
[14:53] <ScottL> ailo: smartboyhw: i didn't even know we had one until jussi asked me to be admin for it, this was a few months ago
[14:53] <ScottL> one = facebook page
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ScottL, oh...
[14:54]  * ScottL suspects jussi was looking to reduce the number of his responsibilities :P
[14:54] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:54] <ailo> ScottL: I can take care of the paper work, if you could just give me a list
[14:54]  * smartboyhw wants to have a list of social channels that ScottL opened
[15:09] <ScottL> ailo: sure, you want them spammed her or in an email? maybe a pastebin?
[15:10] <ScottL> oh, oh.  i wanted to mention that volti (or similar spelling) is available in quantal, this was the audio control/mixer application that was discussed on the mailing list some months ago
[15:10] <ailo> ScottL: Any format works for me. I'll add a blueprint about it too
[15:11] <ailo> I'll add volti to be considered for seeds then, also
[15:11] <smartboyhw> ScottL, it is correct it is volti:D
[15:11] <ScottL> ailo: i'll start it but i need to get some other stuff done at work, and i will send it to you in a few hours
[15:13] <ailo> ScottL: Ok, great
[15:14] <smartboyhw> ailo, don't forget to prepare your session on Open Week, you do need to prepare. You are lucky that you only have to prepare things for half an hour, I have to prepare things for a FULL hour...:P
[15:14] <ailo> ScottL: len-dt volti seems like a nice addition to the pulseaudio volume control, as it has alsa controls
[15:15] <smartboyhw> python-alsaaudio, python-xlib along with volti
[15:17] <ailo> Too bad the mixer is superwide, at least on my system.
[15:17] <smartboyhw> bye len-dt ailo ScottL 
[15:17] <ailo> smartboyhw: Sleep well
[15:32] <ailo> ScottL: Do you have the channels linked somehow? So you can do postings on all of them at once, is what I'm getting at
[15:32] <ailo> ..I mean, why I ask you if they are linked :)
[15:33] <ailo> Anyway. I know you can do that with Indentica and FB, but don't know about G+. Should look into that
[15:33] <ailo> Identica*
[15:35] <ailo> ScottL: Seems like it would be a good practice to use them as news channels. We just need to add that to our routines
[15:55] <ScottL> ailo: i have seven minutes before a meeting, here it goes:
[15:56] <ScottL> i post on the -dev mailing list, the -users mailing list, my blog, g+ (which get's posted automatically from my blog), i used "broadcast" to post to identica, facebook, and twitter
[15:58] <ScottL> then i follow up with posting as "ubuntu studio" on facebook and g+
[15:59] <ScottL> i also email linux outlaws, distrowatch
[16:00] <ScottL> i can't think of anything else at this point, but i'm sure i have something in a gdoc somewhere
[16:00] <ScottL> we should also brainstorm to list out any podcast or publication (online or otherwise) that has a big following (which is why i do linux outlaws)
[16:00]  * ScottL is going to meeting
[16:01] <holstein> the linux action show mentioned us after switching to XFCE
[16:01] <holstein> maybe they would review us?
[16:26] <ailo> ScottL: I guess some of those are more of your personal channels, while other, if named strictly Ubuntu Studio would appear as official
[16:28] <ailo> I would suggest to use the same posting on all of the official social channels
[16:29] <ailo> ScottL: If you continue to be the admin of those channels, then it will be your task to do the actual posting, while any of us can author the actual post
[16:29] <ailo> And, if we do implement them as official news channels, at the very least, they will be used to post about releases
[16:31] <ailo> We could add to that anything interesting we find about Ubuntu Studio on blogs, other news channels, distro watch, etc
[16:32] <ailo> Interviews..
[16:33] <ailo> Of course, then we need people active at keeping track of these things
[16:33] <ailo> I guess holstein would be one candidate for such a task?
[16:33]  * holstein perks up
[16:53] <ScottL> ailo: i'm confusing and worried that i'm not understanding something, when you say "news channel" or "channels" do you mean facebook specific or is this a generic term?
[16:53] <ScottL> i think smartboy has done fairly good about keeping up with releases as well, he might be a good candidate for PR as well
[16:54] <ailo> ScottL: I don't make a distinction between G+, Facebook, or Identica. I do make a distinction between personal channels, and official ones though
[16:54] <ailo> ScottL: I agree.
[16:56] <ailo> ScottL: Anything called "Ubuntu Studio" would seem like an official channel to me
[16:57] <holstein> ailo: :)
[17:03] <ailo> Seems like Xubuntu dropped out from Open Week
[17:04] <holstein> i wish i could help
[17:04] <holstein> im going to be playing the first of 2 shows tomorrow then
[17:04] <ailo> Doesn't seem like an overly active occasion
[17:04] <holstein> i thought it was nice
[17:04] <holstein> gives a nice reference point
[17:04] <holstein> and makes us all look busy :)
[17:05] <ailo> Yeah, and competent
[18:09] <scott-work> ailo: something else we should include in the PR data/information/knowledge base: we should include which tags we should use, e.g. #ubuntu, #ubuntustudio, !ubuntustudio or whatever
[18:09] <scott-work> we should also probably include some of this information (i.e. the tags ) on the website or similar to inform people to look for these items on their social medias
[18:26] <ailo> scott-work: Sure. So, if I understand correctly, there are only two social channels under the name "Ubuntu Studio". g+ and facebook?
[18:29] <scott-work> ailo: aye, those are the ones of which i am aware and that we actual control
[18:29] <scott-work> i think there are a few others within facebook and identica that are groups or whatever
[18:31] <ailo> scott-work: Can't find a identi.ca Ubuntu Studio channel. Perhaps you'd like to create one?
[18:36] <scott-work> ailo: i found the group in identica:  http://identi.ca/group/ubuntustudio
[18:36] <scott-work> it took a bloody long time though, not sure why it was so hard to find it
[18:37] <scott-work> the page has the admin on it too
[18:39] <ailo> scott-work: Ah, I see Ricardo there. But, no single account. I'm currently looking at gwibber settings for accounts.
[18:41] <scott-work> I'm not sure what you mean by "no single account"
[18:41] <ailo> scott-work: Ubuntu is really advancing the integration between social accounts and software, I see. But, no gwibber support for g+ yet
[18:41] <ailo> scott-work: Well, a user account named Ubuntu Studio
[18:41] <ailo> Or, ubuntustudio
[18:41] <scott-work> oh yeah, that's because i believe g+ is hiding the API for it
[18:41] <scott-work> ah, i understand
[18:48] <scott-work> interestingly i found a really good video posted on that page by ricardo:  http://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml
[18:49] <scott-work> good information if you are interested in what happens to audio and video when it goes digital and how we sample/quantify it
[18:49] <jussi> scott-work: true that :D
[18:50] <jussi> (about the responsibilities)
[18:50] <ailo> scott-work: But hey, only Ninjas can do it :(
[18:52]  * ailo actually did learn some ninjutsu a long time ago
[19:17] <holstein> OK.. *statement*
[19:17] <holstein> seems like i get my volume icons on the desktop from 2 places
[19:17] <holstein> almost like XFCE is making them and nautilus
[19:19] <ailo> nautilus doesn't handle volume icons. Never happened to me
[19:19] <ailo> holstein: Try googling it.
[19:19] <holstein> i just got started on it
[19:20] <holstein> if i turn off "show volumes" in xfce settings... then i only get one icon for my hard drives, but none for USB sticks
[19:20] <holstein> which is find for me
[19:20] <holstein> fine*
[19:20] <holstein> but its odd...
[19:21] <ailo> holstein: Ah, I thought you meant the volume applet, sorry
[19:21] <ailo> holstein: That would seem like nautilus is putting icons on there, yes
[19:21] <ailo> holstein: did you add anything else, desktop wise?
[19:21] <ailo> Like, another desktop system?
[19:21] <holstein> ailo: nah... its still pretty "fresh"
[19:22] <holstein> ailo: nvidia drivers... thats about it
[19:22] <holstein> still stock wallpaper :)
[19:22] <holstein> i should get a bug report going about this one...
[19:22] <holstein> seems easy enough to sort out, though we might just drop nautilus
[19:23] <ailo> 64 f/p is pretty stable for me. No xruns so far. 32 f/p with 3 p/b is just at the limit, with a few xruns
[19:23] <ailo> On 2.6.37 I was able to run the system at 32 f/p
[19:23] <ailo> So, it's definately a kernel regression, between versions
[19:23] <ailo> Not because of -lowlatency per se
[19:24] <ailo> I would assume -realtime has the same problems
[19:24] <holstein> yeah, im comparing a realtime kernel to a lowlatency one
[19:24] <holstein> and its not bad at all actually
[19:24] <ailo> Actually, I have a -realtime on my Debian install
[19:24] <ailo> And it's not much better
[19:24] <ailo> If at all
[19:24] <ailo> They're including a -realtime in the Debian main repo now
[19:24] <holstein> interesting
[19:25] <ailo> Something in the kernel made things go slow at around version 3
[19:27] <holstein> hmmm.. now its not automatically picking up any usb sticks
[19:27] <holstein> i know it did right after install.. i tested that test case on QA
[19:27] <holstein> maybe i broke something
[19:29] <holstein> 12.10 looks *really* good!
[19:29] <holstein> i set out today to wipe my drive and put 12.10 on the production rig
[19:30] <holstein> just had a few tests to do to make sure, and i certainly cant replace the functionality of 10.04 yet with 12.10 out of the box
[19:30] <holstein> but, my 10.04 system is quite tweaked
[19:31] <holstein> ailo: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel is what you are using?
[19:31] <holstein> kernel-wise?
[19:33] <holstein> hmmm.. i guess there are only alsa-firmware packages in there for quantal
[19:41] <ailo> holstein: No, I use the -lowlatency with Ubuntu Studio, and on Debian, I use the -realtime in the repo
[19:42] <ailo> I'm not bothering with any realtime kernels right now though. Just tried the one on Debian, since it was there
[19:42] <ailo> I'll be using -lowlatency, but an earlier version for my live setup, and then continue using the current -lowlatency on my home machine
[19:43] <holstein> i might test the http://liquorix.net/debian/pool/main/l/linux-liquorix/
[19:43] <holstein> im still on a seperate hard drive.. why not, right?
[19:45] <ailo> holstein: Well, it is one version newer
[20:00]  * scott-work didn't read all the backscroll but....
[20:01] <scott-work> holstein: there is also an automount toggle too
[20:01] <scott-work> it can't show the volumes if they aren't mounted
[20:03] <holstein> scott-work: i'll check for that.. i bet it'll show the usb ones
[20:04] <holstein> scott-work: i have 2 icons for my internal hard drives
[20:04] <holstein> out of the box
[20:04] <holstein> like XFCE is drawing them and nautilus as well
[20:04] <holstein> we should double check this and just disable the nautilus one
[20:08] <len-dt> holstein, I don't think it is nautilus. (could be wrong) but I have had problems with thunar not releasing USB sticks.
[20:09] <len-dt> I ran thunar as default file manager for a few weeks, but I found that often I could not unmount them. I had to kill tumblerd before I could unmount.
[20:11] <len-dt> I think there is something from xfce 4.8 to 4.10 that is odd. I need to try xubuntu again, but it seems to me they had the same problem without nautilus.
[20:11] <holstein> im getting a screenie
[20:11] <len-dt> scott-work, Volti -1... 
[20:12] <len-dt> Volti takes up two screen widths
[20:13] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/232998
[20:13] <len-dt> A nice mixer should be able to fit on the same screen as qjackctl with the connection window open and maybe the logs too.
[20:13] <len-dt> Ya, I have that here too holstein 
[20:14] <len-dt> There is a bug (actually about 3 of them) for that already.
[20:15] <len-dt> bug #1044896
[20:18] <len-dt> Maybe we should replace thunar as the desktop.
[20:18] <len-dt> with nautilus
[20:19] <len-dt> holstein, ^^
[20:19] <len-dt> Anyway Gotta go.
[20:21] <micahg> the issue affects xubuntu as well
[20:22] <holstein> micahg: good to know... are there plans in xubuntu?
[20:22]  * holstein starts to look at the links for the bugs
[20:22] <holstein> its not a deal breaker for me by any means
[20:25] <micahg> I know people were complaining, so I'm guessing it'll be fixed
[20:25] <scott-work> holstein: it is interesting that it is different icons as well, that really makes me think that two separate systems are providing the desktop icons
[20:25] <holstein> i'll try and join the bugs and keep an eye on it for US
[20:26] <holstein> scott-work: when i "hover" the icons all change to the same icon ;)
[20:26] <holstein> its odd
[20:26] <holstein> scott-work: is there a realtime kernel i should be testing?
[20:27] <holstein> im just going to leave this machine setup like this.. with a spare hard drive for testing
[20:27] <scott-work> i used to use a separate hard drive like that too
[20:27] <scott-work> holstein: i don't know about any realtime kernels at this time, not to say they aren't out there, just that i don't know about them
[20:27] <holstein> i wanted to keep my production rig all seperate, but this is fine
[20:27] <holstein> and im enjoying testing
[20:27] <scott-work> i'm a lowlatency kernel guy, through and through :)
[20:28] <holstein> scott-work: im going to try the liqourix one
[20:31] <ailo> len-dt: Maybe we should try to patch the code for volti
[20:31] <ailo> Seemed like a nice app, other than the superwide width
[20:32] <ailo> Time for my midnight meditation. bb tomorrow
[20:44] <holstein> well, liqourix is slightly worse than the lowlatency
[20:44] <holstein> thats good news
[20:46] <holstein> i think i have broken the usb stick mounting... it worked right after install
[20:47] <scott-work> that is interesting news about liqourix vs lowlatency
[20:47] <scott-work> might not be that it was "inferior" but maybe just some setting isn't compatible with something ubuntu has set up 
[20:47]  * scott-work is just grasping at straws though
[20:48] <scott-work> sucks about the usb mounting though :(
[20:48] <holstein> it was just that stick
[20:48] <scott-work> reboot?
[20:48] <holstein> its back
[20:48] <scott-work> ah, good :)
[20:50] <holstein> i need to get a whole week off like this!
[21:17] <len-dt> holstein, the usb stick is not supposed to automount in 12.10. But it should show up on the desktop and in nautilus... just not mounted.
[21:17] <holstein> len-dt: it was a bad stick or something
[21:17] <holstein> it wasnt showing up at all
[21:17] <holstein> i did some troubleshooting and got it sorted as it was after the install
[21:18] <len-dt> Ahh, we turned the "automount" off for the live ISO because the install wouldn't work. The installer would create a new partition and format it and then the automounter would steal it from the installer
[21:18] <holstein> len-dt: i think thats fine
[21:19] <holstein> i just want to see it in the filemanager
[21:19] <len-dt> Personally I prefer not to have have any icons on my desktop and so I turn them off.
[21:20] <holstein> len-dt: yeah... i do on my laptop for sure
[23:48] <len-dt> ailo, the 12.10 GRUB config just has "Ubuntu" at startup. We should change this to Ubuntu Studio and have the kernel type (just generic or low latency) for those with a lap top that use generic to save battery sometimes.
[23:50] <falktx> afaik other distros are the same
[23:50] <falktx> Kubuntu also says "Ubuntu"