[04:00] <rockworldmi> hi all..
[04:01] <rockworldmi> i just installed ubuntu 12.10 ...and discoverd ubuntustudio .. which window manager is default for ubuntustudio? is it same unity?
[04:03] <holstein> rockworldmi: XFCE
[04:03] <holstein> you can try it live.. you can install the ubutustudio metapackages into ubuntu
[04:03] <holstein> rockworldmi: you can also just install what you want
[04:04] <holstein> ubuntustuddio *is* ubuntu.. its just customized... XFCE desktop.. out of the box production software
[04:04] <rockworldmi> holstein: ok ..so no need to download ubuntustudio image and insta;; it ..
[04:04] <rockworldmi> ok..
[04:04] <holstein> rockworldmi: you could download it and run it live
[04:04] <holstein> rockworldmi: then, you'll have an idea of what it is without installing and breaking what you have
[04:05] <rockworldmi> holstein: ok.. thanks ...will try it out ...:) thanks for info..
[04:07] <rockworldmi> holstein: what professinal person generaly use LTS or regular one?
[04:12] <holstein> rockworldmi: i use the lts typically
[04:12] <rockworldmi> holstein: ok...thanks ..:)
[04:14] <holstein> i have the 10.04 version installed on my studio rig right now, though i think i will install 12.10... maybe 12.04
[04:17] <rockworldmi> holstein: ohh..
[04:18] <rockworldmi> currently i have 12.02
[04:18] <rockworldmi> *12.04
[04:19] <holstein> sure.. 12.04 is the lts
[04:22] <rockworldmi> hmm..thanks a lot. . i will try out new ISO first ..
[04:23] <holstein> rockworldmi: enjoy!
[04:53] <cfhowlett> rockworldmi: I'm a firm believer in LTS only systems.
[04:54] <rockworldmi> cfhowlett: hmm.. ok ..i will go for LTS only :)
[04:57] <holstein> i just happened to load up 12.10 on my actual studio on a spare hard drive, for iso testing.. i reallly liked it
[04:57] <holstein> otherwise, i would just be using 12.04.... and i still might
[04:57] <holstein> theres really nothing for ubuntustudio that was ground breaking about 12.10
[04:58] <holstein> if i had already upgraded to 12.04, i wouldnt be thinking about 12.10
[05:05] <rockworldmi> hmm..
[05:06] <holstein> theres also nothing wrong with 12.10.. its just not an lts, and now ts means 5 years
[05:08] <rockworldmi> oh...its 5 year life cycle? ..i thiught its 2 year
[05:09] <holstein> used to be 3, and 5 for the servers
[05:09] <holstein> now its 5 for the main vanilla destop
[05:09] <rockworldmi> oh..k
[05:09] <holstein> 18 months for the inbetween "development" releases like 12.10
[05:11] <rockworldmi> hmm...
[05:51] <drupin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1299355/ which one to remove from here
[05:53] <ailo> drupin: Remove both, if you're not sure, and add the one you want to add
[05:54] <drupin> how to remove
[05:54] <ailo> drupin: Just remove the two files in that directory
[05:55] <ailo> gotta go
[05:57] <drupin> ok
[10:26] <jonesints1> Hi all
[12:44] <NoToto> Hi all. In main applications, we don't see "screencast" applications. Maybe that could be included ...
[12:44] <notso188> Ubuntu Studio 12.10 here, hibernate function is greyed out. How do I get it back?
[13:17] <notso188> never mind, found the answer. appearantly it is turned off by default because some computers don't support it? https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[13:20] <notso188> :D it worked. Nice, now my computer is able to hibernate, but I don't get a shutdown screen like in Ubuntu.
[13:20] <ailo-w> notso188: Quite common for it to not work, from my experience.
[13:20] <ailo-w> Particularly on laptops
[16:22] <gaetano_> anyone knows why my blender doesnt open?
[16:23] <gaetano_> i mean, doesnt run
[16:24] <holstein> gaetano_: you can try starting it from the terminal and share any error output
[16:24] <holstein> !paste | gaetano_
[16:25] <holstein> i would say, graphics driver, maybe a ppa if you added one... a bad package install.. are you using ubuntu 12.04? ubuntustuduio? the blender version from the repos?
[16:29] <gaetano_> holstein im using ubuntustudio 12.10
[16:30] <gaetano_> whats repos?
[16:30] <ailo> gaetano_: Did you get your driver working?
[16:34] <gaetano_> hi ailo! terminal said ls cannot access that file u told me...no such file or directory
[16:34] <holstein> gaetano_: when you start blender from the terminal, what are the errors? you can pastebin them to me
[16:35] <ailo> holstein: He hasn't been able to get his nvidia drivers working
[16:35] <holstein> that was my first guess.. mine worked using the new jockey replacement
[16:35] <ailo> gaetano_: Did you google on your graphic card, and Ubuntu 12.10?
[16:36] <ailo> Yea, I have no problems at all with nvidia drivers either
[16:36] <gaetano_> ailo so its very strange
[16:36] <ailo> gaetano_: Can you do this in a terminal please?: uname -r
[16:37] <holstein> gaetano_: when you are referring to this issue later in forums or other channels you can say "im having issues with the nvidia driver on this model card".. blender not working is a symptom of that, and it will save some time
[16:38] <ailo> First, I just want to know gaetano_ does not have a custom kernel. He did not install the OS himself
[16:38] <ailo> uname -r will tell us which kernel it is
[16:39] <ailo> If it's lowlatency, or generic, than this is not actually a problem related to Ubuntu Studio at all
[16:39] <ailo> Well, neither if it's custom. But, then we'd have a clue to why the drivers don't work
[16:41] <gaetano_> holtein how i send u the image of my terminal error!?
[16:41] <holstein> !paste | gaetano_
[16:41] <ailo> gaetano_: You can paste it here too. It's just one line
[16:41] <ailo> gaetano_: Ah, sorry
[16:42] <ailo> gaetano_: I meant you can post the result from "uname -r" here
[16:42] <ailo> The error is better to post in pastebin
[16:42] <ailo> or, paste.ubuntu.com
[16:42] <holstein> well, we wont kick you out for posting lines in here.. though you may get dropped
[16:47] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:47] <gaetano_> ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[16:47] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ blender
[16:47] <gaetano_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[16:47] <gaetano_> initial window could not find the GLX extension, exit!
[16:47] <gaetano_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:47] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$
[16:48] <holstein> ailo: thats all driver related, correct?
[16:48] <holstein> GLX is 3d AFAIK.. and you dont have it
[16:48] <gaetano_> thats what appens when i run blender into terminal
[16:48] <holstein> gaetano_: you will need to have realistic expectations of the hardware as well
[16:49] <ailo> gaetano_: Ok, so could you please tell me what the output is from: uname -r
[16:49] <holstein> gaetano_: correct.. that is an error thats bascially saying what ailo has been saying "do you have the nvidia drivers installed? if not, you cant use 3d"
[16:49] <ailo> His nvidia drivers aren't working. We verified yesterday
[16:50] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ uname -r
[16:50] <gaetano_> 3.2.0-23-lowlatency
[16:50] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$
[16:50] <holstein> sure.. but the blender issue is a symptom of that issue gaetano_
[16:51] <holstein> i might try with the *-generic kernel if you are "at the end of your rope"
[16:51] <ailo> holstein: It will have no effect, -lowlatency is -generic
[16:52] <ailo> gaetano_: You have a problem with your HW, is what I can conclude. Please google on your graphic card and Linux nvidia drivers. Ask on #ubuntu, and visit ubuntuforums.org also
[16:52] <ailo> gaetano_: This is not a problem with Ubuntu Studio
[16:52] <ailo> We verified yesterday, that: 1. the drivers in deed were installed. 2. They were not working
[16:52] <gaetano_> ailo HW is the graphic card??
[16:53] <ailo> gaetano_: Yes
[16:53] <gaetano_> ailo its possible that NVIDIA drivers were not installed at all ??
[16:54] <ailo> gaetano_: No. We verified that they were yesterday
[16:54] <ailo> gaetano_: I can't help you any more than that
[16:54] <holstein> gaetano_ ailo what card?
[16:55] <ailo> holstein: 6** something
[16:55] <gaetano_> ailo so the problem is with graphic card...
[16:55] <holstein> gaetano_: will you pastebin the output of lspci
[16:55] <holstein> gaetano_: technically its with graphic card driver support
[16:55] <gaetano_> holstein yes
[16:57] <gaetano_> or Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Panther Point USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Panther Point MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Panther Point USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Panther Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Panther Point PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Panther Point PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev c4)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Panther Point PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev c4)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Panther Point PCI Express Root Port 6 (rev c4)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Panther Point USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Panther Point LPC Controller (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Panther Point SMBus Controller (rev 04)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0de9 (rev a1)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 08:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5229 (rev 01)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 0a:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[16:57] <gaetano_> 0b:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 07)
[16:57] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$
[16:59] <holstein> thats the optimus stuff, correct
[16:59] <holstein> ?
[16:59] <gaetano_> holstein what is means?
[17:00] <gaetano_> ailo thank u a lot again for ur help!!
[17:01] <ailo> gaetano_: Try this instead lspci -vv | grep NVIDIA
[17:01] <ailo> To clarify: lspci -vv | grep NVIDIA
[17:01] <ailo> My nvidia card is like this: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[17:05] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ uname -r
[17:05] <gaetano_> 3.2.0-23-lowlatency
[17:05] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ -vv | grep NVIDIA
[17:05] <gaetano_> Sorry, command-not-found has crashed! Please file a bug report at:
[17:05] <gaetano_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/command-not-found/+filebug
[17:05] <gaetano_> Please include the following information with the report:
[17:05] <gaetano_> command-not-found version: 0.2.44
[17:05] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$
[17:05] <holstein> gaetano_: you need lspci -vv
[17:05] <holstein> gaetano_: -vv is not the command.. lspci is the command.. -vv is the argument.. very verbose
[17:06] <holstein> gaetano_: put it in just as ailo suggests
[17:06] <holstein> lspci -vv | grep NVIDIA
[17:07] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ lspci -vv | grep NVIDIA
[17:07] <gaetano_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0de9 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[17:07] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$
[17:07] <holstein> gaetano_: lspci means "list my hardware" -vv means "list more information than average" the | grep is bascially to "print it here so i can read it" and the "NVIDIA" is what it is to look for
[17:07] <ailo> gaetano_: What model was it again?
[17:07] <gaetano_> holstein ok !:)
[17:07] <ailo> ..the nvidia card
[17:09] <ailo> (Now that these flashy nix commands don't seem to be working for us)
[17:09] <holstein> hehe... yeah, flip it over and look :)
[17:12] <gaetano_> what does that means?
[17:12] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$ lspci -vv | grep NVIDIA
[17:12] <gaetano_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0de9 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[17:12] <gaetano_> gaetano@gaetano-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-PC:~$
[17:12] <holstein> gaetano_: is this a dv6 or dv6000?
[17:13] <gaetano_> holstein on my lap top its wrote dv6, just it
[17:14] <holstein> gaetano_: i find only the ati version...
[17:14] <gaetano_> guys, why i cant copy what is wrote on the chat? is there a way to do that?
[17:14] <holstein> http://linux.aldeby.org/post/Ubuntu-Linux-on-HP-Pavilion-Part-9-VGA-S-Video-and-HDMI-Outputs.html might be relevant
[17:14] <ailo> gaetano_: What was the model of the graphic card, please?
[17:14] <holstein> gaetano_: you can use pastebin.. or just copy to a test file
[17:14] <holstein> depends on the chat client really
[17:17] <gaetano_> NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 630m 2GB
[17:19] <gaetano_> ailo thats the model
[17:23] <gaetano_> so guys...is it official? the problem is my graphic card??
[17:24] <gaetano_> thats why i cant open blender?
[17:25] <holstein> gaetano_: that is why blender doesnt work, correct
[17:25] <holstein> its not a graphics card problem though
[17:25] <holstein> its a driver support issue
[17:26] <gaetano_> holstein so 3d drivers were not installed properly?
[17:27] <holstein> gaetano_: we dont know that nvidia provides them
[17:27] <holstein> gaetano_: i dont know if you instaled them
[17:27] <holstein> gaetano_: what would i do?
[17:27] <holstein> i'll tell you exactly what i did with my nvidia card in ubuntustudio
[17:28] <ailo> holstein: We verified yesterday, that the drivers were installed
[17:28] <ailo> gaetano_: You could try instructions on this page http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-nvidia-geforce-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-using-ppa/
[17:29] <ailo> gaetano_: Three commands. Pretty easy. It means you add a PPA (personal package archive) to the system.
[17:30] <ailo> gaetano_: After installing, reboot. If it's not working by then, I don't see how we can help you.
[17:31] <gaetano_> holstein/ailo u were so kind and patient wit me that im totally a beginner and not an expert on computer in general
[17:31] <gaetano_> thank u for the help guys
[17:32] <ailo> gaetano_: Good luck
[17:33] <gaetano_> ailo! thank u!
[17:33] <gaetano_> holstein thanx!
[17:34] <holstein> gaetano_: sure
[17:35] <holstein> gaetano_: try the main support channels as well... the main forums
[17:35] <holstein> gaetano_: your issue is not ubuntustudio specific
[17:36] <holstein> gaetano_: let nvidia know that you would like support for the hardware you have purchased
[17:37] <gaetano_> holstein ok!
[17:37] <gaetano_> holstein how long have u been using ubuntu?
[17:37] <holstein> gaetano_: ive been on linux on and off since about 2006 or so
[17:38] <holstein> gaetano_: ive been using linux exclusively since around 2009
[17:38] <holstein> gaetano_: ive used ubuntu in some form or other since 8.04
[17:39] <ailo> gaetano_: Please try the page I showed you. It will install newer drivers
[17:39] <gaetano_> holstein wow..a lot time..well this chat is great i think anyway...in 3 days i learned a lot!
[17:39] <gaetano_> ailo yes im gonna do it for sure!!
[17:40] <holstein> gaetano_: some hardware is more problematic than others...
[17:40] <ailo> gaetano_: If it doesn't work, and you want to uninstall the PPA, let us know
[17:40] <gaetano_> ailo! ok! u are often in chat?
[17:41] <holstein> yeah, and im not kicking you our of here gaetano_ ... come here anytime and ask anything you like.. but if its slow, you can try the main ubuntu or xubuntu support outlets
[17:41]  * ailo sighs after solving a coding problem after one day of headache
[17:41] <holstein> ailo: congrats! sorry about the lost day
[17:41] <ailo> gaetano_: I'm here quite often, but remember that google is a good friend too
[17:42] <holstein> also, learning what to ask.. like, skipping the part about blender, since thats a symptom of the graphics card issue
[17:42] <holstein> you ask about blender on google or in a main support channel, and not very many people will know.. if you go to the blender channel, they wont care about the graphics driver
[17:43] <holstein> but, you ask about driver support, and you have a much larger base
[17:43] <gaetano_> ok!!
[17:44] <gaetano_> got it!
[17:45] <gaetano_> ailo /holstein did u customized ur desktop with the cube and other effects!?
[17:46] <holstein> gaetano_: i have 10.04 installed on my studio machine
[17:46] <holstein> it has transparency... i like to have ardour on one screen, the ardour mixer on the other, and JAMin and other plugins transparent over top of the mixer
[17:47] <holstein> gaetano_: i dont use compiz much anymore
[17:47] <holstein> gaetano_: i added it to xubuntu and lubuntu in 12.04 to see how it is done, and decided it wasnt worth the effort
[17:48] <ailo> holstein: Yea, I've been a bit tired these two days. Been feeling like my IQ has been dramatically lower or something.
[17:49] <holstein> ailo: i here you... i got 8 more shows at this theatre job, then im kind of back to normal
[17:49] <holstein> i got a few things out of town in november, but nothing like this has been
[17:50] <ailo> holstein: How's life in the theatre?
[17:50] <ailo> holstein: Seems like you've done quite a lot of that recently
[17:51] <holstein> ailo: its really 8 shows a week for 4 weeks.. thought the first ones are "rehearsals"
[17:51] <holstein> i get paid per/service, so i dont care to rehearse
[17:52] <gaetano_> holstein are u an actor!?
[17:52] <holstein> gaetano_: play bass
[17:52] <ailo> Or, he acts like he does ;)
[17:52] <holstein> hehe
[17:53] <gaetano_> holstein whats bass??
[17:53] <ailo> gaetano_: Like guitar, but bigger
[17:53] <holstein> i play upright bass.. mostly jazz
[17:53] <ailo> gaetano_: contra basso
[17:53] <gaetano_> holstein ah ok!
[17:53] <holstein> viol d'gamba!
[17:54] <gaetano_> ailo i tought he was a programer or something like that
[17:54] <gaetano_> ailo and i tought u too!
[17:54] <holstein> im a computer enthusiast
[17:55] <holstein> music is my main gig
[17:55] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/ if you are interested
[17:55] <gaetano_> holstein me i look like i've never seen a pc in my life! ahuhauhaa
[17:56] <holstein> nah... you're doing great :)
[17:56] <gaetano_> but im likeing so much linux...i got since 10 days
[17:57] <ailo> gaetano_: I do programming, but my main interest is music as well.
[17:58] <gaetano_> ailo ok thats wy u use ubuntu studio
[18:03] <gaetano_> ailo/holstein ok guys, ill follow ur advices and ill let u know if ill solve my problem! see u here! bye!
[18:37] <acmeinc> anyone around to discuss issues with gladish, midi, or xruns
[18:46] <ailo> acmeinc: xruns would probably be due to using too low latencies (especially with the pulseaudio jack module)
[18:46] <ailo> acmeinc: What sort of midi problems?
[18:46] <ailo> acmeinc: I don't know much about gladish though. Only tested it shortly
[18:47] <acmeinc> ailo: well i tested qsynth through patchage, and midi lag was unbearable, but i havent been able to reproduce the lag when using qjackctl directly.  though, i get tons of xruns, regardless of latency frames, periods, ect
[18:48] <ailo> acmeinc: I think patchage starts jackd by default
[18:48] <ailo> Not jackdbus, like qjackctl
[18:49] <ailo> acmeinc: Have you been on #opensourcemusicians or #jack?
[18:49] <acmeinc> ok, im not aware of the difference, and where to coinfigure the settings
[18:50] <Winko> Mike H. I like your music!
[18:50] <acmeinc> ailo: and you're right, i stopped getting xruns, but now my latency is almost 1 second :)
[18:52] <acmeinc> ...oh and my qjack starts jackd...but i have a jackdbus daemon open as well.
[18:53] <acmeinc> in regards to gladish, i cant load any saved studio sessions.  they all work fine on first run, but loading a sessoin results in server lockup.
[18:53] <ailo> acmeinc: Kill jackdbus with: killall -9 jackdbus
[18:53] <acmeinc> thx for info, i'll research more about jackd v. jackdbus
[18:54] <ailo> acmeinc: ladish needs jackdbus, I think
[18:54] <ailo> dbus support, anyhow
[18:54] <holstein> *question*... how do i disable the pulseaudio jack source/sink thing?
[18:55] <acmeinc> jack is locked on, even with process killed.  need to restart :/
[18:55] <holstein> acmeinc: sometimes i have found that to be the case.. not sure what happens
[18:55] <ailo> holstein: In qjackctl: Setup -> Misc -> (dbus something)
[18:56]  * holstein looking
[18:56] <ailo> It's really a bit messy with all these Jacks running around. You call Jack, and you never know who will anser
[18:56] <ailo> answer*
[18:56] <holstein> ailo: OH.. thats D-bus interface?
[18:57] <acmeinc> holstein: yea restarted 20x yesterday.  i've been trying to streamline my setup, save routes ect.
[18:57] <holstein> ailo: slick!
[18:57] <ailo> holstein: Yeah. If you untoggle, qjackctl will start jackd instead. You can still manually get the PA sink and source going, but dbus won't start them automatically
[18:58] <Winko> I recognise the locked jack situation anyone a solution instead of restarting the whole machine?
[18:58] <ailo> Winko: To kill jackdbus: killall -9 jackdbus
[18:58] <ailo> "-9" is what makes the difference
[18:58] <ailo> jackd should not be as hard to kill?
[18:58] <Winko> will it help to start that before starting jack gui?
[18:59] <ailo> Winko: You mean qjackctl (jack gui)?. Problem with qjackctl right now is that it's not shutting down jackdbus properly
[18:59] <holstein> ailo: thats just slick!.... did you do that?... i thought it would be a pain to revert to that if i needed
[18:59] <ailo> After stopping jackdbus, it doesn't always stop, so you need to kill it manually
[19:00] <ailo> holstein: No, it's like that in the Debian repo. We've really done nothing on that
[19:00] <Winko> you can run a command after shutting jackgui, would that be a solution?
[19:01] <Winko> Yes i meant qjackctl (sorry)
[19:01] <ailo> Winko: Yes. You could have a script on the desktop that says killjack, and make it executable
[19:01] <Winko> I can do that ;-) THNX!
[19:02] <ailo> Winko: Like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1300876/
[19:02] <ailo> Sometimes I also need to kill pulseaudio to get jack to start again. But, for that, killall pulseaudio is enough
[19:03] <Winko> ailo: THNX for the link, it's great!
[19:03] <ailo> holstein: The big problem right now, also on 12.04 is that jackdbus won't stop using qjackctl, and that it's such a pain to kill it. Like you just heard, people find the only way to kill it is to reboot
[19:03] <acmeinc> ailo: was this fixed in 12.10?
[19:04] <ailo> acmeinc: No. I haven't heard of any fix for it yet
[19:04] <holstein> it did ok for me just now, but im on a firewire device
[19:04] <holstein> pulse is physically running on a device i havents started JACK on
[19:04] <ailo> holstein: It's just a problem with jackdbus though
[19:05] <acmeinc> ailo: couldn't we ad a default script to shutdown, killall -9 jackdbus?
[19:05] <ailo> holstein: Once you start jackdbus, and the pulse sink and source are created in connect, you only need to go to the PA mixer, and choose jack as output for PA
[19:06] <ailo> acmeinc: We've been testing that, but it was a while ago. Best thing would be to help the jack/qjackctl people to fix it, and then update 12.04/12.10 with the fix
[19:06] <acmeinc> ...well it makes a good bandaid for now :)
[19:06] <holstein> hehe.. im opening up a big ardour session at .7ms latency ;)
[19:06] <ailo> holstein: I find that the PA bridge is pretty ok, but not at really low latencies
[19:07] <ailo> 0.7, or 7ms?
[19:07] <holstein> .7 :)
[19:07] <holstein> 16 xruns... im going to relax that a bit...
[19:07] <acmeinc> ailo:  so back to my xruns.  i was running quite a high latency during last night's sessoin, and i was geting xruns every 10 or so minutes...has this been common?  i remember a few months back someone had a bunch of xrun issues
[19:07] <holstein> just testing at the absolute most extreme
[19:08] <ailo> holstein: I don't think the 3.* kernels are as responsive as 2.6.37 - 2.6.38 were. Those were totally rocking
[19:08] <ailo> acmeinc: Exactly every 10 min?
[19:09] <holstein> ailo: so far, this is similar, if not better than what i was getting in 10.04
[19:09] <ailo> acmeinc: And, could you read why you were getting xruns in the error message?
[19:09] <acmeinc> no, that would be too easy
[19:09] <acmeinc> unfortuantely i didnt notice until the session was over... we recorded live for 2 straight hours, i noticed xrun markers in ardour when i opened the program later that night
[19:09] <holstein> yeah, i relaxed it to 5ms.. and everything is fine
[19:10] <ailo> holstein: It's not bad, but it's not like 2.6.37. I will probably build one for my live setup later, just to get the absolute maximum out of it
[19:10] <holstein> ailo: in 10.04, i couldnt get ardour to launch while set at .7ms
[19:10] <holstein> uh-oh
[19:10] <ailo> holstein: No need for -rt, aye?
[19:10] <holstein> theres an xrun though..
[19:10] <holstein> hmm...
[19:11] <ailo> holstein: dbus? If yes, then it's due to pulseaudio
[19:11] <holstein> its a "0(3)" type
[19:11] <holstein> ailo: nah..i got that off right now
[19:11] <acmeinc> holstein: any way to see latency w/o qjackctl or ardour open?
[19:11] <holstein> could be CPU or network related
[19:11] <Winko> ailo: I used the custom script in Jackctl to run before starting jack audio server. It rocks!!!
[19:12] <ailo> Winko: Good to hear
[19:12] <holstein> acmeinc: hmmm.. nt that im aware of.. i just assume the jack reporting is correct as well
[19:12] <ailo> holstein: Might be the kernel is just not top notch
[19:12] <holstein> ailo: maybe.. *question*- do i have cpu scaling on out of the box?
[19:12] <ailo> holstein: It's giving me a lot more random xruns since 3.2* at least
[19:13] <ailo> holstein: No, you need to set that
[19:13] <holstein> ailo: well, this is not going to work for me
[19:13] <ailo> Would be wrong to set it at performance, due to people having laptops, etc
[19:13] <holstein> i mean, just cause i can start at .7 and its not stable at 5.. thats a regressions
[19:14] <ailo> holstein: did you restart qjackctl after disabling dbus?
[19:14] <holstein> ailo: yup.. and i dont see it in "connect"
[19:15] <holstein> i would see it there, right?
[19:15] <ailo> holstein: Yeah, but it happens it struggles to load after a while
[19:15] <holstein> i could try disabling the networking, but i didnt need to do that in 10.04
[19:16] <holstein> i did disable cpu throttling
[19:17] <ailo> holstein: 5ms is pretty high though. Don't think I have problems like that. You could try a realtime kernel. Would be interesting to hear if you thought it was better
[21:02] <acmeinc1> ailo: you say 5ms is high?  is it really though?  i usually run just under 20 in order to maintain stability.  i haven't been able to keep anything under 10 w/o xruns.  i doubt its hardware, unless its my firewire device directly.  i have phenom II quad, 8gb ram, ssd drive.  ....or was that sarcastic
[21:09] <holstein> i can do 2.2 stable on my 10.04 rig
[21:09] <holstein> i have a mixing jack profile that is more like 60ms though
[21:09] <holstein> when i dont need low latency, i dont push it
[21:14] <acmeinc1> holstein, so maybe you could copy your jackdrc for me?  or what kinda hardware are you running?  i'd assume my comp is fine, maybe its just my recording interface?...
[21:14] <holstein> acmeinc1: i can do that... but i shut it down for the day and im getting ready to run
[21:14] <holstein> acmeinc1: its firewire.. ffado driver
[21:15] <acmeinc1> k, just drop me a message whenever you can.
[21:15] <holstein> acmeinc1: remind me if i space it.. i didnt do anything crazy though
[21:16] <holstein> just realtime kernel and testing.. trial and error
[21:17] <acmeinc1> hostein: well i've been on 12.04 for a while, i'd hate to drop back to 10. actually it wouldnt be practical.  i dont believe there's a rt kernel for 12, right?
[21:18] <holstein> acmeinc1: i just got started fooling around with it
[21:18] <holstein> acmeinc1: i think its something with my setup
[21:19] <acmeinc1> setup=recording devices?  or setup=configuration files?
[21:19] <holstein> acmeinc1: both actually
[21:19] <acmeinc1> well that narrows it down :)
[21:19] <holstein> i need to try disabling things... networking.. CPU scaling if thats on
[21:19] <holstein> acmeinc1: just need to get in it and sort it out
[21:19] <holstein> the liqourix kernel was a little bit worse than the lowlatency one
[21:20] <acmeinc1> will do...whats your firewire device?  i though you had presonus
[21:20] <holstein> yup... presonus firepod
[21:20] <holstein> ok.. gotta run..
[23:06] <jjamez> I have a problem with the start menu thing.
[23:06] <jjamez> is anybody here? please post if you read this.
[23:09] <xrs1> doesnt keep settings?