[00:12] <juanito_> bonjour
[00:14] <SIR_Taco> juanito_: bonjour
[00:15] <juanito_> bonjour SIR_Taco
[00:15] <juanito_> asv?
[00:18] <SIR_Taco> juanito_:  mon français est terrible
[00:18] <juanito_> ok I can speak english and french, and you?
[00:19] <SIR_Taco> juanito_: I speak English, and understand more French than I can speak
[00:20] <juanito_> SIR_Taco, ok
[00:21] <juanito_> SIR_Taco, tu as installé quelle version de kubuntu ?
[00:22] <epsilonorion> I have found some resources online, but no luck so far.  I access my NTFS drive (Windows partition) from Linux Drive and seem to have lost two very large folders (not just the files).
[00:23] <epsilonorion> I do not believe the Windows partition had hibernated (normally it doesnt), but seem to have an issue.
[00:23] <epsilonorion> I have tried using ntfsundelete but do not see the file (could have misread).
[00:24] <SIR_Taco> juanito_: which version?
[00:25] <juanito_> epsilonorion, did you try http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk or http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[00:25] <juanito_> SIR_Taco, simple curiosity, I'm using kubuntu 12.04 and you?
[00:26] <SIR_Taco> juanito_: 12.10
[00:26] <epsilonorion> juanito_: not yet,  will do.  If I run under linux, can I find them or should i switch to windows
[00:27] <juanito_> epsilonorion, is your disk the same for win and linux ?
[00:27] <epsilonorion> yes
[00:28] <juanito_> epsilonorion, if you have dual boot, you can install testdisk on linux
[00:28] <epsilonorion> doing it now
[00:29] <juanito_> epsilonorion,  but restore the data on your linux partition not on ntfs, if you make write access to your ntfs partition, I think it could only get worse
[00:29] <epsilonorion> yeah, I knew better then to read the NTFS partition, but decided to do it.
[00:31] <juanito_> or you can run testdisk on a liveUSB or liveCD http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Livecd . But as you have dual boot, installing testdisk is faster
[00:34] <epsilonorion> trying now.  Just hope I can find the folder
[00:35] <juanito_> epsilonorion, yep I wish you good luck
[01:35] <d_ed> hey, is someone here using a non English language and willing to test something for me?
[01:36] <d_ed> could someone open telepathy, the chat application and confirm it's showing in the correct language.
[02:29] <xixor> oh yeah??
[02:31] <deitarion> I decided to explore KDE 4 to see if it's still as buggy and sluggish as it was when I switched from KDE 4.5 to LXDE but, as soon as I installed the kubuntu-desktop package, my Firefox fonts suddenly got ugly.
[02:32] <deitarion> I'm not sure whether installing kubuntu-desktop changed the font returned by "sans-serif", mucked up the default Lubuntu hinting settings, or both, but I'd really appreciate some help undoing whatever it did without having to just give up and `apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop`
[02:33] <deitarion> Correction: ...changed the fonts returned by "sans-serif" and "monospace"
[03:00] <deitarion> Never mind. Flushing out kde-config-gtk seems to have fixed the problem. No clue why it botched the font selection and hinting so much though. The font control panel seemed to be set the same as in Lubuntu.
[06:45] <syria> Hi, Can I upgrade using the installation dvd?
[06:50] <lordievader> syria: I read here that the Kubuntu live-cd is not capable of doing that, however the Ubuntu alternate cd should be able to do so: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-August/004673.html
[06:50] <syria> lordievader: But this will not help kubuntu users right?
[06:51] <lordievader> syria: No probably not, there is probably some long and complicated path that can acomplish this. What is there against a regular upgrade?
[06:53] <syria> lordievader:  I have a very slow internet connection like 10/20 KB/S, And I lose the connection for may hours.
[06:53] <lordievader> syria: Do you run the LTS right now? Because the upgrade isn't a necessary one. You could also reinstall.
[06:54] <syria> lordievader:  I am running under 12.04 LTS, Is that what you are asking me about?
[06:54] <lordievader> syria: Yes, exactly.
[06:55] <syria> lordievader:  I can reinstall what?
[06:56] <syria> lordievader:  I have the 12.10 dvd.
[06:56] <lordievader> syria: Depends a little on how you installed 12.04, but you can download the cd/dvd and reinstall the system using that cd/dvd.
[06:57] <syria> lordievader: I have installed 12.04 from the CD and used the option "use entire disc" on portioning.
[06:57] <syria> partitioning*
[06:58] <lordievader> syria: I'm not sure if that method makes a seperate partition for /home, if not it should. Makes a reinstall easier.
[06:59] <syria> lordievader:  Could you please let me know what should I do with that reinstall thing?
[06:59] <syria> lordievader:  Maybe I have to make sure that I have a separate partition for /home.
[07:00] <lordievader> syria: Actually I would stay with 12.04 unless you have a good reason to upgrade (drivers or something). The difference between 12.04 and 12.10 isn't much and 12.04 is supported for 5 years.
[07:03] <syria> lordievader: I am not excited for upgrading but few days ago I was updating my system and suddenly lost the internet connection, And after restarting many problems appeared, for example, 1- the resolution of the screen will be changed automatically! and widgets doesn't appear on the desktop anymore. I think it is a problem with the kernel because It was on the list of the updater.
[07:04] <syria> I lose the resolution of the screen that i want everytime i restart.
[07:04] <lordievader> syria: I see, now I'm starting to drift towards reinstalling again...
[07:04] <Hootch> hi, how can i minimize all windows with kde?
[07:05] <lordievader> Hootch: I have a keybinding for it, let me look that up.
[07:05] <Hootch> hm well :) in the shortcuts?
[07:06] <lordievader> Hootch: Yes under Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> Kwin -> Show Desktop
[07:06] <lordievader> syria: Reinstalling means doing a fresh install with 12.10, btw.
[07:07] <syria> lordievader:  I am thinking about recompiling the kernel.
[07:07] <Hootch> yeah :) thx a lot
[07:07] <lordievader> Hootch: No problem.
[07:07] <lordievader> syria: Unless you are confident in your Linux skills I advise against that.
[07:09] <Hootch> on more thing. If i close kopete, it will be really close or how can i get symbol in the taskbar?
[07:10] <lordievader> Hootch: There was something in the settings, forgot what it was. Don't use Kopete personally. But you could enable the taskicon somewhere in the settings, why it isn't enabled on default is beyond me.
[07:12] <jbeatty> Kopete is unmaintained. isn't kde-telepathy available in 12.10?
[07:12] <jbeatty> if so that alone would be a good enough reason to update.
[07:15] <d_ed> jbeatty: KTp can also be installed in 12.04
[07:15] <d_ed> *Ktp = kde telepathy
[07:23] <syria> lordievader: Do you know how can I remove nvidia drivers? Or reinstall them again please?
[07:24] <lordievader> syria: Yesterday the command "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current nvidia-settings" worked for someone, so try that.
[07:25] <syria> lordievader:  It worked for me as well, I think my problem is with nvidia drivers, I will reinstall them.
[07:25] <syria> lordievader:  No it didnt work!
[07:25] <lordievader> syria: Can you give more details?
[07:26] <syria> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1301971/
[07:27] <lordievader> syria: Looks to me like you have broken packages, run sudo apt-get -f install
[07:28] <syria> lordievader:  the same message again.
[07:28] <syria> lordievader:  This is the whole output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1301977/
[07:28] <lordievader> syria: Ok try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure" maybe with a -f.
[07:29] <syria> lordievader: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: please specify a package to reconfigure
[07:29] <syria> lordievader:  /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nvidia-current is broken or not fully installed
[07:30] <lordievader> syria: Nevermind then... It's the nvidia-current that is generating this problem.
[07:30] <syria> lordievader:  Yeah.
[07:31] <syria> lordievader: Can I fix this with our reinstalling it all over again?
[07:31] <syria> I mean reinstalling kubuntu.
[07:32] <lordievader> syria: This might help you: http://www.tinyguru.com/ubuntu/qid204200.html
[07:32] <syria> thnx I will read itl.
[07:32] <syria> it.**
[08:23] <CQ> hello, how can I get a panel to float, and how can I add programs like tbird, nautilus, firefox, etc. to it?
[08:24] <msx> CQ: yes of course
[08:24] <msx> just unlock yout desktop and add a new panel
[08:24] <lolcat_> hi
[08:24] <CQ> I added the new panel, how can I resize it? Its stuck to the top of the screen...
[08:24] <lolcat_> catalyst control 12.6 version is support kernel 3.5 ?
[08:25] <msx> CQ: my bad, i was talking about the panel plasmoid
[08:25] <msx> CQ: theres a plasmoid that let's you add a floating panel to do what you just want to do
[08:26] <msx> but as i don't use kubuntu i don't know it it's shipped with your distribution neither its name
[08:26] <msx> CQ: if it's doesn't head up to kde-apps.org and you'll find it there
[08:27] <msx> lolcat_: do you really need catalyst? radeon drivers are running better and better...
[08:29] <CQ> I just want something where I can put applications that I use often so they don't clutter up my task bar at the bottom
[08:29] <lolcat_> msx add white list me
[08:30] <msx> lolcat_: if your chat isn't too much OT we can talk here
[08:31] <lolcat_> ok
[08:31] <msx> lolcat_: besides the channel is dead, nobody else chatting so go ahead :)
[08:31] <lolcat_> my system kubuntu 12.10 & driver radeon hd 2400 pro
[08:32] <lolcat_> install from amd website
[08:32] <lolcat_> and after rebooting
[08:32] <lolcat_> resolution 1024x768
[08:32] <lolcat_> windows are not seening
[08:32] <lolcat_> how do i solve this ?
[08:33] <msx> lolcat_: well,i tell you, at least in (k)ubuntu -but i'm sure in every other distro too- you _never_ should install the driver that way but instead using kubuntu own's way to install catalyst
[08:33] <msx> lolcat_: now, to solve your problem:
[08:34] <lolcat_> yea ubuntu 12.10 same problem
[08:34] <msx> i would first go to /etc/X11 and rename the xorg.conf (if any) to anything else, then generate a new xorg.conf file: # X -configure
[08:34] <lolcat_> but 12.04 no problem
[08:34] <msx> and copy backy the new xorg.conf from /root to /etc/X11
[08:36] <msx> lolcat_: you can allways try to launch your GUI without any xorg.conf at all since by now X will autodetect your hardware and autoconfigures itself every time it is launched
[08:37] <lolcat_> thx i will try this
[08:55] <mah454> Hello
[08:55] <mah454> please view this : http://imagebin.org/233073
[08:55] <mah454> How can fix this problem ?
[08:58] <Mamarok> mah454: please describe your questions, don't expect people to follow a link with no previous information what it is about
[08:59] <hateball> !details | mah454
[09:00] <mah454> Mamarok: I want to add printer in kubuntu , in "Windows printer via SAMBA"
[09:00] <mah454> browse buttom locked !
[09:00] <mah454> I can not browse network !
[09:00] <mah454> s/buttom/button
[09:00] <Mamarok> mah454: did you actually share the samba folders?
[09:01] <mah454> Mamarok: add printer
[09:02] <mah454> please view this picture : http://imagebin.org/233073
[09:07] <Mamarok> well, to browse something you should actually enter something in that field, and enter your credentials, no?
[09:07] <Mamarok> I never used that as I don't have a samba share
[09:07] <Mamarok> seems to me that without authentication you can't browse in a network
[09:08] <Mamarok> seems logical to me
[09:11] <jbeatty> How do I cause certain applications to open in specific workspaces on startup?
[09:13] <msx> Mamarok: is samba installed by default in kub 12.10?
[09:14] <Mamarok> msx: why would it?
[09:14] <mah454> msx : Samba Installed , but not fixed !
[09:14] <msx> Mamarok: doesn't ubuntu ship it?
[09:14] <Mamarok> I for example have no use for it
[09:14] <Mamarok> but it sure is in the repos, it is just not part of a default installation
[09:15] <msx> Mamarok: me neither but ubuntu makes extensive use of it as the main way to share files and of course integrate to windoze networks
[09:15] <msx> mah454: did you started the service after installing it?
[09:16] <mah454> msx: smbd and nmbd restarted
[09:16] <Mamarok> msx: provided you actually have a windows network, which is not the case of many people
[09:16] <Mamarok> so making it default makes no sense
[09:17] <msx> mah454: now try adding an uri and see if the button is enabled
[09:18] <mah454> msx: not , not enabled !
[09:19] <msx> mah454: mmm, no idea how kubuntu manage the samba shares
[09:20] <mah454> msx: ok
[09:20] <mah454> thank you :)
[09:24] <msx> mah454: you'll see, i've been up all night instead getting some sleep (sounds familiar!?) so i'm really tired to think or search for anything else i don't have right at hand, sorry for not being a real help
[09:24] <mah454> msx: no problem , search with smbclient and smbtree
[09:24] <mah454> thank you :)
[09:27] <msx> =D
[09:27] <loadid> mah454: what is your issue?
[09:28] <mah454> loadid: please view this : http://imagebin.org/233073 , samba can not browse network for add printer !
[09:29] <mah454> loadid: dolphin can do this but in printer configuration , can not do this !
[09:34] <loadid> mah454: have you tried just entering the info... smb://mah454/printer_name
[09:34] <loadid> get the actual address from dolphin
[09:35] <mah454> loadid: I know , but why can not browse ?
[09:35] <loadid> may not be mapped corectaly? not sure
[10:04] <sanyoyok> hi
[10:51] <mat619> Hey there - rekonq is driving me mad on this machine... it segfaults at least 10 times during each 8 hour work day. Anyone else experiencing such frequent crashes?
[10:51] <tintzin> no.
[10:52] <mat619> As far as I could read in various forums I seem to be the only one
[10:52] <tintzin> any site in particular?
[10:52] <mat619> completely random.
[10:53] <mat619> I think it _could_ have to do with flash or javascript. the more ads are involved, the quicker the segfaults seem to come, it seems to me, but that could also be just a feeling
[10:53] <tintzin> do you have adblock enabled?
[10:53] <tintzin> and are you subscribeed to a list?
[10:53] <mat619> no, completely stock install. barely two months old
[10:53] <mat619> neither.
[10:54] <tintzin> try enable adblock then & see if it helps?
[10:56] <mat619> the bad thing is sometimes I actually find ads useful, this being my work machine and me being an admin also responsible for ordering stuff
[10:56] <mat619> about 0.5% of all ads are actually useful for me :/
[10:57] <tintzin> i think the adbllock system actually allows whitelisting ads on some sites.
[10:57] <mat619> I tried to use firefox, but after that allocated everything of my 6 GB RAM that it could get and a further 4 GB swap, I'm fed up with it.
[10:58] <mat619> I'm almost desperate enough to use chromium (which I don't like at all)
[10:59] <mat619> whitelisting could be an idea, but who knows where those ads are hosted that could turn out to be worthwile... seems like a PITA to keep the whitelist clean and not to restrictive at the same time
[11:18] <chabalz> hello, i'm having trouble with my plasma-desktop, sometimes when the wifi gets disconnected (for instance i'm moving and the spot gets out of reach), the whole plasma-desktop gets unresponsive, and i have to switch off the wifi so that plasma-desktop responds again; then it shows me a message (http://i.imgur.com/aJnQN.png) and i can use my wifi normally (note that this is not a wifi issue, when the spots are in reach the wifi and pl
[12:18] <chabalz> hello, i'm having trouble with my plasma-desktop, sometimes when the wifi gets disconnected (for instance i'm moving and the spot gets out of reach), the whole plasma-desktop gets unresponsive, and i have to switch off the wifi so that plasma-desktop responds again; then it shows me a message (http://i.imgur.com/aJnQN.png) and i can use my wifi normally (note that this is not a wifi issue, when the spots are in reach the wifi and pl
[12:20] <chabalz> i'm using the network management widget
[12:23] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:40] <chabalz> hello, i'm having trouble with my plasma-desktop, sometimes when the wifi gets disconnected (for instance i'm moving and the spot gets out of reach), the whole plasma-desktop gets unresponsive, and i have to switch off the wifi so that plasma-desktop responds again; then it shows me a message (http://i.imgur.com/aJnQN.png) and i can use my wifi normally (note that this is not a wifi issue, when the spots are in reach the wifi and pl
[12:40] <chabalz> my version of the network-management widget is 0.9.0.5 (nm09 20120930)
[12:41] <navlelo> have you considered using wicd instead?
[12:42] <chabalz> navlelo: ye i guess i could; is it better?
[12:42] <chabalz> navlelo: ok i've installed wicd, should i uninstall the network management widget?
[12:42] <navlelo> chabalz: in my experience, nm is a bit fucky
[12:42] <navlelo> yep
[12:43] <Tm_T> language, please
[12:43] <navlelo> it uses its own gui which doesnt look too good but it works
[12:43] <navlelo> soz
[12:43] <BluesKaj> navlelo, no need for that kind of language
[12:44] <chabalz> i read "funky"
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yeag sure
[12:45] <chabalz> no really i didn't notice the c
[12:45] <chabalz> isn't there a wicd interface that integrates better in kde?
[12:45] <navlelo> not that im aware of
[12:45] <BluesKaj> chabalz, what's your wifi chip and driver?
[12:46] <chabalz> BluesKaj: how can i know?
[12:46] <navlelo> i think the nm widget was supposed to be able to use different backends at some point, but im not sure if thats implemented
[12:46] <BluesKaj> do lscpci in the terminal , look for wireless or mobile
[12:46] <chabalz> BluesKaj: http://pastie.org/5108784
[12:48] <hateball> if you run "dmesg" do you get any suspicious info from that? when the freezing occurs
[12:49] <BluesKaj> chabalz, one method is to change wifi channels and increase the sensititvity/power on your router..most are set to ch6 by default , try ch9 , it's less occupied
[12:50] <hateball> for good reason, since 1 6 11 are good practice to use
[12:51] <chabalz> BluesKaj: i think if i try to connect to a network that doesn't exist, plasma-desktop will also freeze so it's not a power issue (if i move completely out of reach of a wifi point that i was connected to, it will freeze)
[12:51] <chabalz> anyway i have wicd now ^^
[12:52] <chabalz> hateball: what can i grep from dmesg? the freeze happened a while ago
[12:53] <hateball> chabalz: hard to say, it depends what the module wants to say :)
[12:53] <hateball> but usually it should be ovbious to tell what is related to iwlwifi
[12:54] <hateball> that is, if you get errors there it's like an issue with the kernel module and changing to an alternative wifi-manager probably wont do much good
[12:54] <hateball> but who knows
[12:54] <chabalz> hateball: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1302421/
[12:56] <hateball> chabalz: so you grepped for iwlwifi? I would look around those lines if there's any other info
[12:56] <chabalz> hateball: yes
[12:56] <chabalz> if there a grep with "look around"? :)
[12:57] <hateball> use -A or -B
[12:57] <hateball> grep -A 10 = includes 10 lines above the matching search
[12:58] <chabalz> hateball: http://pastie.org/5108839
[12:58] <hateball> below I mean
[12:58] <chabalz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1302433/
[13:00] <BluesKaj> chabalz, freezes are usually caused by inedequate graphics drivers
[13:00] <chabalz> BluesKaj: my computer works fine, and i can switch between windows with alt-tab
[13:00] <chabalz> but it's really the plasma-desktop program that is freezed
[13:00] <hateball> chabalz: are you using a 5ghz router?
[13:01] <chabalz> (i mean i can still use the computer even when plasma-desktop is unresponsive)
[13:01] <chabalz> hateball: i don't know
[13:01] <hateball> nm, I read properly now
[13:01] <chabalz> earlier i was connected to the university wifi network
[13:02] <hateball> I've had some issues using N on 5ghz with my intel chipsets, where they have worked properly on 2.4ghz
[13:04] <hateball> bleh, it's hard to guess what could be the cause. I guess you can only hope switching to wicd works now
[13:04] <hateball> did this break with an upgrade?
[13:10] <chabalz> hateball: i think i've had this problem since i've upgraded to 12.04
[13:10] <chabalz> maybe before of after using the kubuntu ppa backports i don't know
[13:23] <BluesKaj> hmm , alt-tab doesn't change windows here , maybe due to the cube animation
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[14:30] <ronrom> its impossible to connect to a gmail account in kde-telepathy, it asks the password but then does NOT connect, whats the problem?
[14:50] <Mamarok> ronrom: works here, are you sure you did enter your password correctly?
[14:50] <ronrom> Mamarok: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy/+bug/1070873
[14:52] <ronrom> Mamarok: in empathy it appears a XMLL windows asking ubuntu permission to connect to the gmail account, that does NOT happen when using kde-telepathy
[14:53] <Mamarok> it sure does here, using 12.10
[14:53] <Mamarok> it asks the password when I actually make the account
[14:53] <natman> Hi, I am unable to shut down my latop - it just stalls at the shutdown screen. It seems to work normal if i disable the wireless. Can anyone help?
[14:53] <ronrom> Mamarok: read what i wrote with attention
[14:54] <ronrom> Mamarok: i said that in kde-telepathy does NOT appears the XMLL window asking ubuntu permission to conenct to the account, it only asks the username and password, and then fails to connect
[14:54] <ronrom> s/XMLL/XMPP
[14:55] <Mamarok> ronrom: close down kde-telepathy and start it up again, the dialogs should appear, unless you already marked the password to be saved, in that case you can edit it in kdewallet in
[14:55] <ronrom> Mamarok: i did, makes no differnce, i have already run it debug mode and i have alredy explained why it does not fails in empathy
[14:55] <Mamarok> it will not ask you to enter the password again if you set it to be remembered
[14:55] <Mamarok> well, it does not fail here, so something is maybe different in your setup
[14:56] <ronrom> fills like im talking to a wall
[14:56] <Mamarok> it did not fail to connect here
[14:56] <Mamarok> which is why I tell you to check if your password is correct
[14:56] <ronrom> Mamarok: i have installed ubuntu and then isntalled kde, i have not installed from a kubuntu iso
[14:56] <Mamarok> and?
[14:56] <ronrom> Mamarok: yes it is!!!!!!
[14:56] <Mamarok> if you have kde-telepathy that is from exactly the same repo
[14:57] <ronrom> i dont know what happens, i just decided to tell in case could make any dfference
[14:58] <Mamarok> well, and I answered you what you should check, as kde-telepathy saves teh passwords in kwallet
[14:58] <Mamarok> the*
[15:00] <ronrom> Mamarok: it only saves the password to kwallet only if you set a kwallet password
[15:00] <ronrom> Mamarok: that is irrelevant to the question
[15:00] <Mamarok> you can also use a kwallet without a password
[15:01] <Mamarok> well, since you asked: its impossible to connect to a gmail account in kde-telepathy, it asks the password but then does NOT connect, whats the problem?"
[15:01] <natman> Hi, I am unable to shut down my latop - it just stalls at the shutdown screen. It seems to work normal if i disable the wireless. Can anyone help?
[15:01] <Mamarok> I told you it does definitely work here, so check your password, else I don't know what is wrong with your installation
[15:01] <Mamarok> natman: which Kubuntu?
[15:02] <natman> Mamarok: 12.10
[15:02] <Mamarok> hm, that works fine here as well, do you have network shares that are active that could cause that?
[15:02] <ronrom> i dont know whats the problem, im simply reporting this problem, in empathy it DOES connect, but the difference between creating a gmail account in empathy to kde-telepathy is that in empathy your prompted with a XMPP window that asks ubuntu permission to connect to gmail, that does not happen in kde-telepathy.
[15:02] <natman> Mamarok: i get the following if i shut down using the terminal http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ij2f79&s=6
[15:03] <Mamarok> natman: looks like it tries to run a startup script
[15:03] <ronrom> Mamarok: do you understand now the difference?
[15:04] <Mamarok> check the scripts that run, that shouldn't happen
[15:04] <vertago1> Has anyone here tried out Gimp's experimental opencl support?
[15:04] <natman> Mamarok:  all i know is that if i disable the wireless it shuts down normally, what should i do?
[15:05] <Mamarok> natman: there is a networking script that tries to start, did you start that or did you install something special causing that?
[15:05] <Mamarok> ronrom: yes, I do, and I told you it will not show you a dialog window again if your password is marked to be saved
[15:06] <ronrom> Mamarok: yes it will not, but i never said the problem was that
[15:06] <natman> Mamarok:  I installed the driver for my wireless card thats all, i have disabled the driver but it doesnt help.
[15:06] <ronrom> Mamarok: what that has to do with kde-telepathy cant conenct to a gmail account?
[15:07] <Mamarok> ronrom: *sigh* your isntallation of kde-telepathy can't it does work here, so please check the config file in $HOME/.kde/share/config/
[15:08] <ronrom> Mamarok: i also cant figure whats the problem, thats why im reporting the bug
[15:08] <Mamarok> ronrom: well, check the config file, please
[15:09] <ronrom> and this is a kubuntu onluy related problem, because for example in Mageia kde-telepathy does conect fine
[15:10] <Mamarok> ronrom: you apparently don't read what I say either :)
[15:10] <ronrom> Mamarok: yes i do, but will not make any dif to look into the config file, im not a ktp developer
[15:11] <Mamarok> well, a config file is a text file and one doesn't have to be a developer to read it
[15:12] <ronrom> Mamarok: it does need to be a developer to know what you do
[15:12] <Mamarok> ronrom: you should have an entry there with your gmail address, starting with gabble/jabber/
[15:12] <Mamarok> that should end with =true
[15:12] <Mamarok> actually 0=true
[15:13] <Mamarok> without spaces
[15:13] <ronrom> Mamarok: to what file are you referring?
[15:13] <Mamarok> $HOME/.kde/share/config/ktelepathyrc
[15:14]  * Mamarok is not a developer either
[15:14] <Mamarok> but it lists all your accounts you have made in ktp
[15:14] <ronrom> Mamarok: i do not have such fil
[15:14] <ronrom> ups, yes i do
[15:14] <Mamarok> ronrom: do you actually use KDE?
[15:15] <ronrom> the file only lists the groups, no accounts there
[15:15] <Mamarok> well, then apparently no accounts were saved
[15:15] <Mamarok> else those should be listed there
[15:15] <Mamarok> clsoe ktp, erase that file and start ktp again
[15:16] <Mamarok> close*
[15:16] <Mamarok> then make your account for gmail again
[15:16] <ronrom> Mamarok: i did and the account sdo apepar again, and the file continues the same
[15:17] <ronrom> Mamarok: so the accounts are being saved else where
[15:17] <Mamarok> well, the password is saved elsewhere, but the accounts shuld be listed there
[15:17] <Mamarok> ronrom: which Kubuntu do you use?
[15:17] <ronrom> im using 12.10
[15:18] <Mamarok> then it should be definitely saved in there, but maybe you are not starting the right app: how do you start ktp?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: KTP saves accounts in Mission Control
[15:19] <shadeslayer> so : mc-tool list : will show you all the configured accounts
[15:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: it lists the accounts in the config file as well
[15:20] <shadeslayer> not sure what GroupsState represents there
[15:20] <natman> Mamarok: any ideas?
[15:21] <Mamarok> not really, besides the fact that you should not have a script running on exit
[15:21] <shadeslayer> although, if you're using empathy and kde telepathy together, there are bound to be some wonky problems
[15:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: could you check with natman?
[15:21] <ronrom> shadeslayer: hi
[15:21] <shadeslayer> ESOMUCHBACKLOG
[15:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:22] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i have both empathy and ktp isntalled, since i have isntalled ubuntu and then isntalled kde packages
[15:22] <ronrom> shadeslayer: would it help if i run ktp in debug mode?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> ronrom: alright, and when connecting with GTalk account does not go online?
[15:22] <ronrom> shadeslayer: does not
[15:22] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:22] <shadeslayer> sec
[15:22] <shadeslayer> let me pull up the debugging wiki page
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ronrom: please follow http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/FAQ#Providing_debug and provide full details in #kde-telepathy
[15:23] <ronrom> shadeslayer: can you comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy/+bug/1070873
[15:24] <shadeslayer> could you describe what a XMLL window is?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> a screenshot would be nice :)
[15:25] <shadeslayer> ronrom: http://i.imgur.com/EaUKM.png < something like that?
[15:25] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i have unisntalled all telepathy packages, and empathy was also unisntalled, and i isntaleld the meta package kde-telepathy that called all ktp needed packages
[15:26] <shadeslayer> right
[15:27] <ronrom> shadeslayer: that was also always appeared and after that i got a message saying the pasword was wrong, but the passwd was correct, still marking that window to remember the choice would not make any differnece since it continued appearing
[15:27] <BluesKaj> kde-telepathy is real buggy
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ronrom: that window is from empathy
[15:27] <shadeslayer> so not an issue of KDE Telepathy
[15:27] <ronrom> shadeslayer: it also appears in ktp when conecting to gmail account
[15:28] <shadeslayer> right, please uninstall all of empathy to get rid of that window
[15:28] <natman> Mamarok:  shadeslayer should i restate my problem?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> natman: laptop does not shutdown?
[15:28] <natman> shadeslayer: yes
[15:28] <ronrom> i did, now i runned ktp and it did not show any acocunt, so the accounts i had are gone
[15:29] <ronrom> shadeslayer: now it conencted fine
[15:29] <shadeslayer> natman: and it just shows this : http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ij2f79&s=6 ?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> ronrom: \o/
[15:29] <ronrom> shadeslayer: so who comes from ubuntu and install kde packages will have problems conecting using ktp, thats needs to be fixed
[15:29] <natman> shadeslayer:  yes, and if i disable wirless shutdown works normally ( tested 3 times )
[15:29] <shadeslayer> ronrom: how do you propose we fix it?
[15:29] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i dont know whats causing that problem
[15:30] <ronrom> shadeslayer: im simply saying that problem exists
[15:30] <GH0> Hm, is there a way to check the status of a dist-upgrade started over SSH if the connection unexpectedly quit?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ronrom: co installation of empathy and ktp will cause *some* issues
[15:30] <GH0> doing ps aux | grep dpkg shows that the process is still running.
[15:30] <GH0> However, it was nearing the end of it's upgrade path.
[15:30] <shadeslayer> GH0: you could kill it and then make it continue what it was doing
[15:31] <shadeslayer> or if you were using ssh and the ssh connection broke, there's a alternate ssh port that is usually open during upgrade operations
[15:31] <ronrom> shadeslayer: another thing, i cant have the video/audio icons enabled in ktp, whats failing?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> ronrom: that's because we don't ship ktp-call-ui by default
[15:31] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:31] <shadeslayer> ronrom: did you install kde-telepathy-minimal or kde-telepathy?
[15:31] <GH0> shadeslayer, I know, but I didn't want to kill it upgrading a specific process, or removing the lock file that was in place.
[15:32] <GH0> Just thought it would be a bad idea, but it seems to have completed (or at least the entry has disappeared)
[15:32] <shadeslayer> natman: can you check if sudo poweroff works for you?
[15:32] <ronrom> shadeslayer: call-ui is installed
[15:32] <shadeslayer> GH0: you could run :  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock : and check if it completed
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ( answer N when it asks you to kill the process of course )
[15:33] <natman> shadeslayer:  i have tried sudo shutdown -h now, is that what you mean?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ronrom: most likely the other end does not support video calling then
[15:33] <ronrom> shadeslayer: yes it does
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ronrom: this is on GTalk?
[15:34] <ronrom> yes
[15:34] <shadeslayer> natman: nah, poweroff also powersdown the machine, I've experienced issues with halt -h NOW where the machine would still keep running
[15:35] <shadeslayer> ronrom: and do you know what client the other user is using?
[15:35] <ronrom> shadeslayer: is using gmail from firefox
[15:35] <ronrom> we have talked today in windows
[15:36] <ronrom> shadeslayer: using the video, so some is failing to work in linux
[15:36] <shadeslayer> can you test if calling from their machine to your machine works?
[15:36] <ronrom> shadeslayer: no i cant, the other end is not conencted anymore
[15:36] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[15:36] <ronrom> but i can test, give me a minute
[15:37] <shadeslayer> how do you expect to call the remote contact when the remote contact is offline
[15:37] <ronrom> shadeslayer: im gg to conect another machine in another gmail account
[15:37] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:37] <shadeslayer> because I can successfully call between Jabber and GTalk
[15:37] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i also used too
[15:37] <ronrom> shadeslayer: but now some is failing
[15:38] <shadeslayer> well ... telepathy tells the UI that these people in the roster have call capabilities, while others do not
[15:38] <shadeslayer> and ktp just displays that info
[15:39] <natman> shadeslayer: nah gave the exact same issue
[15:39] <ronrom> windows takes a lot of time to boot, what a crap
[15:40] <shadeslayer> natman: erk ... I'm not really sure what the issue is then tbh
[15:40] <natman> shadeslayer: if it helps this is what i saw http://i45.tinypic.com/34j52ra.jpg
[15:42] <shadeslayer> well ... it's shutting off ... just not powering off
[15:42] <natman> shadeslayer:  any advice
[15:43] <shadeslayer> not really ... I'm at a bit of a loss as to what's happening
[15:43] <shadeslayer> natman: please try #ubuntu
[15:43] <shadeslayer> maybe they'll know
[15:43] <natman> ok thanks
[15:43] <shadeslayer> if all else fails, please file a bug against the linux package
[15:43] <shadeslayer> or ubuntu itself
[15:44] <ronrom> shadeslayer: the video is woring but the video freezes from my part, the video continues runing ok in the machine running windows
[15:44] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ronrom: which telepathy release do you have?
[15:44] <ronrom> shadeslayer: 0.5.1 the one available from ubuntu 12.10
[15:44] <shadeslayer> oh right, 12.10
[15:44] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[15:45] <shadeslayer> ronrom: so you can recieve video just fine, but sending is a issue?
[15:46] <ronrom> now i have called from this mahcine and i ideo working ok
[15:46] <shadeslayer> awesome? :P
[15:46] <shadeslayer> ( See, KDE software is better :P )
[15:46] <ronrom> shadeslayer: now im gg to call again from the windows machine to see if it really freezes the video like it happened in first time
[15:46] <shadeslayer> alright, if it does, could you report a bug in bugs.kde.org against the call ui?
[15:47] <ronrom> shadeslayer: yes, if the video comes from the windows machine it does freeze
[15:47] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:47] <ronrom> shadeslayer: should i run in debug mode for you to see?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ronrom: okay, here's how you provide debug
[15:48] <shadeslayer> run : kdebugdialog
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Click on Select everything
[15:48] <ronrom> shadeslayer: but to report the bug isnt better to attach ktp debug info?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Apply > Close dialog > Run this in a konsole : /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/ktp-call-ui --persist  &> /tmp/ktp_call_ui.txt > attach and report using https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=telepathy&format=guided
[15:50] <GH0> Is there a more indepth logging system (beyond checking who logged into ssh)? I am getting random disconnects with SSH, and I have no idea why.
[15:50] <GH0> There shouldn't be anything blocking the network or telling it to stop communicating.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> GH0: you could try ssh -vvv
[15:51] <shadeslayer> that'll give you some debug info
[15:51] <GH0> On the server or the client? I am unfortunately using a windows based system to ssh into the kubuntu box.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> client
[15:51] <shadeslayer> on the serverside there's /var/log/auth.log
[15:52] <GH0> Yeah, I already have /var/log/auth.log set to verbose for SSH, but it isn't giving me the reason why it is disconnecting.
[15:52] <shadeslayer> well ... that should be evident using ssh -vvv then
[15:52] <shadeslayer> ( add more v's to get even more verbose logging )
[15:52] <GH0> And putty only gives me: 2012-10-24 11:43:09	Network error: Software caused connection abort
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Can't say really then, could be a putty issue
[15:58] <Riddell> Kubuntu talk in #ubuntu-classroom in a couple of minutes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:04] <ronrom> i dont get this, now in the win machine isnt possible to call video, like i didnt had video in this machine
[16:04] <ronrom> shadeslayer: however i still can call video from this mahcine, i dont get this
[16:05] <ronrom> shadeslayer: seams like ktp isnt telling the other machine that i have video on this one
[16:05] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:05] <shadeslayer> VoIP is a bit of a hit and miss
[16:06] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i go again and kill all ktp apps, i start ktp and conect gmail account, but in the other machine continues not appearing to call video
[16:06] <shadeslayer> most of the time the issue goes away when you restart either one of the clients
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ronrom: can you try a client like pidgin on the windows machine
[16:06] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i need to install pidgin in windows machine first
[16:07] <shadeslayer> right
[16:13] <ronrom> shadeslayer: this goes weirder, with another contact thats talking from windows firefox window, here i dont see the video icon enabled, however if i run firefox and enter gmail, from there it already says i can do video calls, so the problem appears to be in ktp
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ronrom: could you please open a bug report against this?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I'm asking a friend of mine to call me meanwhile from a GTalk window
[16:17] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i have  installed pidgin in windows machine but i dont have video available in pidgin
[16:17] <shadeslayer> derp
[16:19] <ronrom> shadeslayer: in pidgin linux i can see video is available from plugins, but not in dinwos
[16:20] <ronrom> windows*
[16:20] <shadeslayer> fun ....
[16:24] <ronrom> shadeslayer: in pidgin windows theres no way to have video, im checking the website and i dont see any plugin to enable video
[16:28] <juanito_> ronrom, shadeslayer , I changed form pidgin to jitsi because the video works great in jitsi with encrypted calls in ZRTP
[16:28] <shadeslayer> encrypted calls ...wtf
[16:29] <juanito_> better than secure calls from skype if you prefer
[16:29] <juanito_> 2012.07.24 - Microsoft Won’t Say If Skype Is Secure Or Not. Time To Change? Read the Slashdot post http://goo.gl/v1Fxs
[16:31] <shadeslayer> uh .. well .. VoIP is all p2p .. not sure how much more security is added by encrypting data packets
[16:31] <shadeslayer> anywho
[16:31] <shadeslayer> I haz to go
[16:31] <shadeslayer> cya
[16:31] <juanito_> shadeslayer, ok bye
[16:31] <shadeslayer> ronrom: please file bugs in the KDE Bugzilla
[16:32] <juanito_> shadeslayer, but encrypted makes the difference
[16:32] <juanito_> Jitsi recommended by Tor Project's Jacob Appelbaum during a talk on security and lawful interception:  http://ur1.ca/92qqq
[16:32] <ronrom> shadeslayer: i will, i also have no sound in video calls
[16:32] <shadeslayer> juanito_: irrelevant
[16:33] <juanito_> shadeslayer, why?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> VoIP is p2p, so all the packets flow between you and the other user
[16:33] <juanito_> yes and ZRTP protocol adds a security lawer on top of that
[16:34] <juanito_> layer sorry
[16:34] <ronrom> shadeslayer: ktp  is a mess, i gave up
[16:34] <juanito_> TOR is p2p too
[16:35] <juanito_> shadeslayer, then have a look at that please : https://guardianproject.info/tag/zrtp/
[16:39] <ronrom> shadeslayer: isnt possible to have the video not mirrored? my left hand appears as my right hand using ktp, but in skype appears fine
[16:46] <ronrom> shadeslayer: do you have sound when you do a video call in ktp?
[17:34] <simplew> why in Kubuntu the shortcur CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE does not make kde end session like it happens in other distros?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> simplew, that key combo hasn't worked for a few yrs now
[17:41] <OerHeks> simplew, open keyboard settings, and enable it >> http://picpaste.com/pics/keyboard-usHfMJWI.1351100464.png
[17:42] <OerHeks> There is a reason why it is depreciated as a standard way to logout.
[17:43] <dougla> before I smash the fuk out of these machines can someone help me install 12.04? installs fine but when I try to use additional drivers for my asus nvidia 530 jockey always crashes.
[17:44] <simplew> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308944
[17:44] <shadeslayer> thank you
[17:44] <simplew> OerHeks: but kubuntu decides to remove thatshortcut when its kde default? its used in other distros...
[17:44] <OerHeks> simplew, not only Kubuntu, Ubuntu also.
[17:45] <simplew> OerHeks: its the same thing
[17:46] <OerHeks> in Ubuntu they changed it to Alt-SysRq-K
[17:46] <simplew> OerHeks: how did you run that window?
[17:46] <OerHeks> in kde menu type key > keyboard settings
[17:47] <simplew> OerHeks: through cli
[17:47] <simplew> kcmshell keyboard
[17:47] <OerHeks> i don't know the exact name to start tru cli.
[17:48] <simplew> OerHeks: what was the reason to disable this shortcut?
[17:49] <OerHeks> too easy, or not proper to logout this hard way. it should only be used when your system 'hangs'
[17:50] <yofel> simplew: ubuntu disabled it in X because 'people pressed it by accident' (don't ask me) - the setting you see in KDE emulates that
[17:52] <simplew> by the way to who is possible to ask to package polkit-kde-kcmmodules-1 thats packaged in severall other distros like Mageia, OpenSuse, Fedora, etc?
[17:56] <shadeslayer> simplew: no one, we will not ship that at the moment
[17:56] <shadeslayer> infact, a very serious issue was bought up just today
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apparently that kcm edits stuff in /usr
[17:58] <dougla> any takers - like to install drivers for my nvidia gt530 on my 12.04 box? suggestions welcome/appreciated
[17:58] <shadeslayer> dougla: what happens when you try to do it via jockey?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> dougla, try the nvidia-current driver
[17:58] <dougla> jockey-kde crashes
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: I pressed that key combo by accident a couple of times :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ouch
[17:59] <dougla> and jockey-text errors out
[17:59] <shadeslayer> dougla: please report a bug and then install via the command line : sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[17:59] <BluesKaj> dougla,try the install in the terminal then reboot immediately
[17:59] <dougla> trying a dist-upgrade then jockey again...
[18:00] <dougla> or not
[18:00] <simplew> shadeslayer: so how am i gona be able to configure users in polkit?
[18:00] <dougla> will follow shadeslayer adn BluesKaj advice after dist-upgrade
[18:00] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:01] <OerHeks> nvidia gt530, is that a part of optimus, intel+nvidia in a laptop, dougla ?
[18:01] <dougla> thanks for the help guys - you would not believe the trouble I am having? this is the 5th time I am installing 12.04 today on this box
[18:01] <shadeslayer> dougla: I don't know :(
[18:02] <shadeslayer> is there no cli way to do it?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> dougla, is this a laptop ?
[18:02] <simplew> shadeslayer: is possible to install a rpm package in ubuntu?
[18:02] <dougla> not a laptop...
[18:03] <shadeslayer> derp, that was meant at simplew, but anywho
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ok then it's not an optimus setup , go for the install , dougla
[18:03] <dougla> asus p5w dh mobo with asus nvidia gt530 video card
[18:03] <shadeslayer> simplew: sure, but I'm not going to mention it here
[18:03]  * dougla really appreciates the help
[18:03] <shadeslayer> simply because I don't support installing packages that edit /usr
[18:04] <shadeslayer> you can compile and install the sources on your own as well
[18:04] <BluesKaj> !envy
[18:04] <simplew> shadeslayer: can you tell me in private how can i do it?
[18:04] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:04] <BluesKaj> no more factoid warnings for envy ...been a while anyway
[18:04] <simplew> shadeslayer: anything against rpm?
[18:05] <shadeslayer> simplew: did I not mention twice that it edits files in /usr and upstream does not recommend it for general use
[18:05] <shadeslayer> in addition to the fact that those modules have never been released
[18:07] <shadeslayer> simplew: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438790 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308934
[18:07] <simplew> shadeslayer: but i have no way to configure polkit users.  but its packaged in other main distros
[18:07] <simplew> shadeslayer: but yes it shoul not touch /usr
[18:08] <simplew> shadeslayer: thanks for that info
[18:09] <shadeslayer> I don't know how to configure polkit users, maybe someone who has done it before will know
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Arch seems to have a detailed page outlining things
[18:10] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PolicyKit
[18:10] <shadeslayer> not sure how much help that'll be f
[18:10] <shadeslayer> *for you
[18:11] <simplew> shadeslayer: to me will not be a big problem to have files changed under /usr so ill instal it
[18:11] <shadeslayer> fine, but then please don't expect support for messing things up :)
[18:13] <simplew> shadeslayer: no problem, thats just a polkit setting
[18:13] <simplew> shadeslayer: i thought ubuntu would already have moved all files into /usr but that wasnt done so far, is there any plans?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> dunno really, I have a very basic idea of what polkit is, but no idea where it stores files, or where it should store files
[18:15] <shadeslayer> shouldn't it actually store files in /etc and not in /usr? so why would they move it to /usr?
[18:17] <simplew> shadeslayer: i cant also say much about that stuff
[18:18] <simplew> shadeslayer: but main distros like fedora and Mageia have already moved files into /usr and i was thinking that was already done in ubuuntu but for example /bin continues existing, isnt there any plans to do that move?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Wouldn't know really
[18:20] <simplew> shadeslayer: i also see that ubuntu keeps insisting in not use systemd...
[18:21] <shadeslayer> *shrug* not my decision to take
[18:21] <BluesKaj> maybe if debian does it then ubuntu would follow suit , but to expect ubuntu to follow other distros decisions is immaterial IMO
[18:21] <shadeslayer> though I doubt ubuntu is going to move to systemd any time soon
[18:22] <simplew> still would be a good idea to move /lib, /lib64, /bin  into /usr
[18:23] <simplew> what the hell, my mouse has jsut stopped working, is there any issues reporting about the mouse stop working in ubuntu recently?
[18:23] <genii-around> Some trackpads were having issues I think
[18:25] <simplew> to who are left that bigger distro decisions, is there a councill or some? if so is possible to read about it?
[18:32] <lordievader> Good evening
[18:42] <yofel> simplew: the /usr move was not an idea invented by ubuntu and would be really hard to maintain unless debian does the same thing. (We take most of our packages from debian)
[18:43] <simplew> yofel: yes i understand that point, ubuntu keeps consistency with debian
[18:43] <yofel> I know there was some discussion on it, but didn't follow it, let's see if I can dig something up
[18:45] <yofel> simplew: and the big release decisions are usually done at the Ubuntu Developer Summit - you may check if there is any discusson planned for the next one: http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[18:45] <yofel> you can take part in the discussions remotely as well
[18:46] <simplew> yofel: thanks
[18:50] <Maxstyvason> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135318&Tpk=13-135-318&nm_mc=EMC-GD102412&cm_mmc=EMC-GD102412-_-index-_-Item-_-13-135-318
[18:50] <Maxstyvason> FREE MOTHERBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:50] <Maxstyvason> I bought like 10
[18:50] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:51] <Maxstyvason> 37 bucks with a 37 dollar MIR
[18:51] <OerHeks> 100mbit lan ?
[18:51] <shadeslayer> Maxstyvason: not really the channel to talk about it
[18:52] <shadeslayer> take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:52] <shadeslayer> or #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:52] <lordievader> Or to ##hardware
[18:52] <Maxstyvason> who cares im passing the savings onto everyone
[18:52] <shadeslayer> it's offtopic, and I care
[18:52] <Maxstyvason> if you wanna be all pissy about whats OT you can go kiss a toilet seat because I was passing on free hardware to anyone who wanted it
[18:52] <Maxstyvason> I was being nice so bugger off
[18:53] <shadeslayer> :|
[18:53] <SIR_Taco_> is school out early?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> I don't see how being distruptive in a support channel is being 'nice'
[18:54] <shadeslayer> *disruptive even
[18:54] <Maxstyvason> I wasnt being disruptive, there was NOTHING being said or going on
[18:55] <Maxstyvason> you dont need to be a sandy butthole about everything
[18:56] <SIR_Taco_> lol, that was fun
[18:59] <yofel> simplew: I only found http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00157.html on the /usr matter
[18:59] <yofel> simplew: and it seems as long as you don't use systemd you don't even need that
[19:00] <simplew> yofel: yes but would be better to have all under /usr, and i know its a modification thats related to systemd usage
[19:01] <yofel> simplew: let's move to #kubuntu-offtopic if you want to talk more about this
[19:17] <Soul_Sample> hi. i'm using kubuntu 12.10. my system tray flickers on skype\clementine events, and on some other occasions. any ideas why?
[19:18] <Soul_Sample> the video of it happening is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92aCMhhDnNQ
[19:23] <SIR_Taco_> Soul_Sample: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306870  they say "will be fixed in KDE 4.10"
[19:24] <Soul_Sample> SIR_Taco_: you sir are a gentleman and a... Sir :D quitting kmix helped. that's the ONE thing I didn't try
[19:25] <SIR_Taco_> :)
[19:26] <Soul_Sample> spent a better part of the last 3 hours hiding icons, showing icons, rearranging widgets, trying with this app, without that app, gtk only, qt only :D
[19:27] <SIR_Taco_> seems like an odd bug
[19:28] <Soul_Sample> those are the only ones I ever experience -_-
[19:29] <Soul_Sample> i escaped to kubuntu after ubuntu 12.10 destroyed me with a bug which makes unity unusable after alt-tabbing :D
[19:29] <Santiclause> Heyyy. For some reason, I can't get my plasma-desktop to work... at all.
[19:29] <Santiclause> I just did an update, restarted, the taskbar didn't work, so I tried to kquitapp plasma-desktop and then kstart plasma-desktop
[19:30] <Santiclause> kquitapp was just blocking, so I stopped it and manually killed the plasma-desktop process, and now kstart won't work
[19:30] <Santiclause> (this is for 12.04)
[19:31] <Soul_Sample> hm, so you have an empty desktop?
[19:31] <Soul_Sample> or no desktop at all?
[19:32] <Santiclause> uh, my windows are all workin' fine but
[19:32] <Santiclause> no taskbar, no desktop, or nothin
[19:32] <Soul_Sample> can't you just press alt-f2 and enter "plasma-desktop" and press enter?
[19:32] <Santiclause> uh.
[19:33] <Soul_Sample> krunner works for me even when plasma desktop is dead\killed
[19:33] <Santiclause> is that the thing that pops up on the top of the screen to run programs?
[19:33] <Santiclause> I rebound that to meta+r
[19:33] <Soul_Sample> yeah, that's the one
[19:33] <Santiclause> but yeah, plasma-desktop isn't starting when I run it from there either.
[19:34] <Soul_Sample> can you start konsole from there?
[19:34] <Santiclause> I already have a konsole window open, but yeah, I can
[19:34] <Soul_Sample> and then run plasma-desktop from the terminal, maybe it'll say why it won't work
[19:34] <Santiclause> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[19:34] <Santiclause> That's the only line that appears. It appears twice
[19:36] <Soul_Sample> oh well, now i'm googling. no idea why it wont' work. i guess you could try creating a new user and try with him\guest login. maybe it's due to a config file
[19:38] <dougl> got my 12.04 with nvidia drivers installed... thank god for answered prayers!
[19:38] <Mamarok> Santiclause: try erasing all files called plasma* in $HOME/.kde/share/config/
[19:38] <Mamarok> then restart KDE
[19:40] <Santiclause> I just did that actually
[19:40] <Santiclause> I just backed them up and no go
[19:40] <dougl> what a mess I am in the middle of here... video card crapped out windows machine pooched UPS crapped out and my ide dvd drives that host my install media decide they are not compatible anymore... I hate computers!
[19:40] <Santiclause> kstart plasma-desktop still hangs
[19:41] <Santiclause> gonna try rebooting
[19:41] <Mamarok> Santiclause: why do you do kstart?
[19:41] <Mamarok> just launch krunner and type in plasma-desktop
[19:41] <Santiclause> beeeecauuuuuuuse that's how I've seen that it's done
[19:41] <Santiclause> still no dice
[19:41] <Mamarok> well, I have never used kstart to start plasma-desktop
[19:41] <Santiclause> imma rebootin
[19:43] <keithzg> I mean, *shouldn't* one use kstart to start plasma-desktop? That'd seem like the "right" way to do it.
[19:45] <Soul_Sample> don't know, whenever i have issues with it, i just do "pkill plasma-desktop" and "plasma-desktop"
[19:45] <Soul_Sample> never used kstart before
[19:48] <Santiclause> hmmmm.
[19:48] <Santiclause> the taskbar is still super slow and unresponsive
[19:49] <Santiclause> but it's not like it's taking up a lot of cpu or anything
[19:50] <Soul_Sample> are your video drivers properly installed?
[19:51] <Santiclause> uhhhhhh
[19:51] <Santiclause> shruggle-desu?
[19:52] <Santiclause> I hain't never messed with them. This problem has only just started happening after I installed the latest system updates
[19:54] <Soul_Sample> well, depends what updates you installed.
[19:54] <Santiclause> I have no idea :|
[19:55] <Soul_Sample> if you start the package manager, there is a view>history option
[19:57] <Santiclause> package manager being...
[19:59] <Soul_Sample> well, i'm new to kubuntu , i just open start menu and type package, it's called "Muon package manager". don't know the app name yet :D :(
[19:59] <Santiclause> Oh, muon
[20:00] <Santiclause> Well, I can't quite open Muon. =)
[20:01] <Soul_Sample> lol. something is horribly wrong then :D
[20:04] <dniMretsaM> Santiclause: try to open muon from the terminal. what errors are you getting?
[20:05] <Santiclause> Same as with plasma-desktop.
[20:05] <Santiclause> "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave."
[20:05] <Santiclause> although, haha, this time it just said "Muon is already running!"
[20:06] <Santiclause> despite being entirely not accessible to me
[20:08] <Santiclause> sigh, gonna try bootin again
[20:12] <Soul_Sample> ok, I've just discovered window tabbing in kde for the first time. not sure what I could use it for, but it's AMAZING
[20:12] <dniMretsaM> lol stop rebooting. this isn't Windows
[20:13] <dniMretsaM> Soul_Sample: it is pretty awesome. I pretty much never use it, though.
[20:13] <Soul_Sample> Yup, that's how I think it'll go with me as well :D i grouped firefox and thunderbird now and was pretty happy with myself. it soon passed :D
[20:14] <dniMretsaM> I guess it's one of those things that will make your life easier/better, but you have no idea dow
[20:14] <dniMretsaM> *s/dow/how
[20:14] <dniMretsaM> Santiclause: stop rebooting. this isn't Windows
[20:14] <Santiclause> says you
[20:14] <Santiclause> it fixed
[20:15] <Santiclause> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[20:15] <dniMretsaM> all you needed to do was kill muon and restart it
[20:15] <Santiclause> nope
[20:15] <Santiclause> believe me, that wasn't "all I needed to do"
[20:15] <Santiclause> I killed muon and started it again
[20:15] <Santiclause> both from terminal, and from the krunner
[20:15] <Santiclause> and it didn't show up
[20:15] <FloodBotK1> Santiclause: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:15] <Soul_Sample> i'll force myself to use this until I find some great uses for it
[20:15] <dniMretsaM> how are you starting it?
[20:16] <Santiclause> "both from terminal, and from the krunner"
[20:16] <Santiclause> but it's fine, I don't need to run it anymore, my plasma-desktop is working again for some reason.
[20:16] <dniMretsaM> I mean from the terminal. are you using kstart or just running the muon command?
[20:16] <Santiclause> Just the muon command
[20:17] <dniMretsaM> well either way, I don't think rebooting was necessary. but whatever, it's fixed now
[20:17] <Santiclause> it clearly was necessary, since it fixed it
[20:17] <Santiclause> =)
[20:19] <dniMretsaM> boy that's great logic
[20:19] <dniMretsaM> xD
[20:20] <Santiclause> Well, nothing else I was doing was getting plasma-desktop to start up at all
[20:21] <Soul_Sample> but how can you be sure that it will start again next time? :D
[20:21] <Santiclause> I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that plasma-desktop hates me
[20:21] <Santiclause> it crashes every single night, whenever I leave my laptop to go to sleep
[20:21] <Santiclause> and no, I have the screensaver disabled.
[20:22] <dniMretsaM> Santiclause: when using the backports on Precise, plasma-desktop would crash once at startup, restart itself, and then work fine. never figured out what the problem was. works great on Quantal, though
[20:23] <Soul_Sample> notifications in kde annoy me, that's the only thing i dislike at this point. i read that they'll revamp them soon?
[20:23] <lordievader> Soul_Sample: You can turn them off.
[20:23] <Soul_Sample> but i need my notifications. any replacements?
[20:29] <dougl> how do I install a package.deb file?
[20:30] <dougl> synergy-1.4.10-Linux-x86_64.deb
[20:30] <lordievader> dougl: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[20:30] <dougl> lordievader, thanks
[21:56] <Soul_Sample> when booting, I get a "The disk drive for /home is not ready or not present" error, and then it just boots fine. why does this happen?
[22:04] <xixor> is it a security risk to add your own public key to your own authorized keys files, so you can ssh to local without a password?
[22:05] <SIR_Taco_> Soul_Sample: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/753853
[22:07] <Soul_Sample> but it mounts\boots fine for me
[22:11] <SIR_Taco_> Soul_Sample: /home is on a separate partition?
[22:11] <Soul_Sample> yes
[22:11] <SIR_Taco_> read the bug report
[22:17] <Soul_Sample> i read it, i still don't get how it relates to my problem :\
[22:18] <dougl> Installed windows 7 today.... couldn't format fast enuff
[22:19] <SIR_Taco_> Soul_Sample: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/753853/comments/22 replace /dev/sda1 with whatever partition you have home on, and instead of "/" it would be /home
[22:20] <SIR_Taco_> you can do it from recovery mode
[22:21] <Soul_Sample> ok, i'll go and try this
[22:51]  * BarkingFish is a sad panda.  
[22:52] <BarkingFish> Akregator isn't working correctly.  I don't know if anyone else has spotted this, but if you try to download attachments which come with messages in your feed, they hang.
[22:52] <BarkingFish> I've got two going now, both of which say they have 20 seconds left, and they've been like that for more than 10 minutes :(
[23:20] <deitarion> Somehow, installing kubuntu-desktop forced my Qt dialog boxes to use KDE/Windows button order even when using the QGtkStyle widget style and running inside LXDE where GTK/OSX button order dominates. Any idea how to fix this?
[23:20] <deitarion> I've already removed most of KDE since my preferences (eg. Geeqie over Gwenview, Audacious over Amarok) have nothing to do with which widget toolkit they use.
[23:39] <dougl> isn't my cds supposed to auto mount?