| RAOF | Damn. Where's robert_ancell when you need to ask a Vala question! | 00:01 |
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| RAOF | Gah. Don't switch from boost::shared_ptr to std::shared_ptr in an SRU, damnit! | 00:44 |
| tsimpson | meh, std::shared_ptr is mostly a copy+paste+cleanup of boost::shared_ptr anyway ;) | 00:48 |
| bryce | RAOF, mind approving jockey in precise-proposed's unapproved queue? I'm nearing eod but would like to verify alberto's fix. | 00:48 |
| RAOF | bryce: Done. | 00:51 |
| RAOF | tsimpson: Yeah, I know that. But I wouldn't be totally amazed if there was a subtle difference in behaviour due to bugs or whatever, and it's not exactly a minimal change. | 00:52 |
| RAOF | Incidentally, is canonical IRC down for anyone else? | 00:53 |
| lifeless | RAOF: its down for me :P | 00:53 |
| lifeless | </troll> | 00:53 |
| sarnold | RAOF: worksforme | 00:54 |
| RAOF | lifeless: :P | 00:56 |
| TheMuso | Its up for me. | 01:04 |
| RAOF | Huh. My route to irc.canonical.com dies inside of level3.net, apparently. | 01:12 |
| sarnold | RAOF: very odd; my route to irc.canonical.com goes through level3.net just fine -- san jose, new york, london | 01:13 |
| RAOF | Mine dies at ae-2-52.edge5.London1.Level3.net | 01:13 |
| micahg | mine goes through there | 01:14 |
| sarnold | my next hop from that goes through SOURCE-MANA.edge5.London1.Level3.net | 01:14 |
| * micahg has the same as sarnold | 01:15 | |
| pitti | Good morning | 03:45 |
| RAOF | Good morning pitti! | 03:45 |
| pitti | hey RAOF, how are you? | 03:46 |
| RAOF | Annoyed at the Unity SRU in quantal-unapproved. | 03:46 |
| RAOF | Apart from that, pretty good. | 03:47 |
| RAOF | No longer as tired as I was this morning! | 03:47 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh, lots of "fun" changes? | 03:47 |
| pitti | RAOF: not tired any more> see? the refreshing effect of processing SRUs :-) | 03:48 |
| RAOF | Not _lots_ of fun changes, but they appear to have switched from boost::* to std::* for absolutely no reason. | 03:48 |
| pitti | !? | 03:48 |
| pitti | this seems like a good change for trunk indeed, but in an SRU? | 03:48 |
| RAOF | Well, I guess it's not *absolutely* no reason; now that they can use C++11 that's fine, but it's NOT fine in an SRU. | 03:48 |
| RAOF | Also there's some questionable code in there, like: | 03:49 |
| RAOF | + // FIXME: although this pretends to be generic, we're just making | 03:49 |
| RAOF | + // sure that icons requested to have 96px will be 64 | 03:49 |
| RAOF | + base_icon_width = max_width > 0 ? max_width * 2 / 3 : max_width; | 03:49 |
| pitti | urgh - /me accidentally hits the "show desktop" in alt+tab | 03:50 |
| pitti | this is such a mess, there's no obvious undo to that | 03:50 |
| RAOF | Hit show desktop again. | 03:50 |
| RAOF | It's totally undiscoverable, but show desktop is self-inverse. | 03:50 |
| pitti | ah, so it is | 03:51 |
| pitti | I wonder why we still even have that | 03:51 |
| RAOF | For a certain kind of user I'm pretty sure it's the bee's knees. | 03:57 |
| RAOF | Of course, I'm not sure if that kind of user knows how to get at it ☺ | 03:57 |
| TheMuso | Its worth noting that modern versions of Windows have the desktop in the alt-tab switcher. | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | I.e from Vista and later. | 04:03 |
| RAOF | Dear vala: hurry up and write a gcc frontend, so I don't have to wade through your indecipherable C for SRUs. | 05:00 |
| RAOF | Why does unity-lens-photos have a .desktop file at all? | 06:27 |
| desrt | RAOF: hilariously, we were discussing exactly this last night | 06:34 |
| desrt | except we favoured an llvm frontend :) | 06:34 |
| RAOF | Whatever; kindly be making its internal guts transparent to me :) | 06:35 |
| RAOF | (Or I guess just acknowledge that what you really want is C#, and make mono more awesome :P) | 06:37 |
| kenvandine | RAOF, shhh... i've been getting harassed this week for my mono sticker on my laptop | 06:38 |
| * desrt contributes | 06:39 | |
| kenvandine | grrr | 06:39 |
| RAOF | kenvandine: I avoid this by not having any stickers on my laptop :) | 06:39 |
| BigWhale | Good morning all. | 06:39 |
| kenvandine | hey BigWhale | 06:39 |
| desrt | RAOF: let me get you a 'sarah palin 2016' sticker | 06:40 |
| RAOF | Well, except for the one which says “This is a HWE laptop that can't be certified” | 06:40 |
| BigWhale | hey kenvandine. you're up early ... or late ... I'm guessing you're already in Europe? :) | 06:40 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 06:40 |
| kenvandine | been here all week :) | 06:40 |
| desrt | HWE? | 06:40 |
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| kenvandine | hardware enablement? | 06:41 |
| BigWhale | UDS starts on 29th? right? | 06:41 |
| desrt | yes | 06:41 |
| desrt | mon-thu | 06:41 |
| RAOF | Yeah, hardware enablement. | 06:41 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Yo! | 06:41 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Good morning! | 06:41 |
| didrocks | RAOF: hey! how are you? :) | 06:42 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Sadly, I'm about to make it a little less good for you :( | 06:42 |
| didrocks | RAOF: sniffff ;) | 06:42 |
| didrocks | RAOF: what happened on the SRU front? | 06:42 |
| pitti | salut didrocks, ça va? | 06:42 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Would you kindly be shouting at PS that switching from boost::stuff to std::stuff is not an appropriate SRU change? | 06:42 |
| didrocks | pitti: ça va bien, et toi? | 06:42 |
| pitti | didrocks: je vais bien, merci! | 06:43 |
| * desrt thinks that a ç looks and sounds like a lop-sided s | 06:43 | |
| * pitti is on a code slaughter quad-damage trip | 06:43 | |
| didrocks | RAOF: I think popey can find the exact kind words for it :) | 06:43 |
| popey | which sru is that? | 06:43 |
| didrocks | RAOF: this is only for unity package itself, isn't it? | 06:43 |
| RAOF | Unity | 06:43 |
| didrocks | RAOF: the rest is good? | 06:43 |
| RAOF | Compiz isn't; I've commented on the bug. | 06:44 |
| didrocks | RAOF: I can see a little tear on popey's face just 1 meter away from me :) | 06:44 |
| RAOF | unity-lens-photos isn't, but I've apparently forgotten why. | 06:44 |
| didrocks | oh? | 06:44 |
| popey | sorry, I'll stop laughing | 06:44 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Oh, no. That's right. | 06:45 |
| RAOF | didrocks: I wasn't accepting unity-lens-photos until I knew why it's got a desktop file at all. | 06:45 |
| didrocks | popey: on compiz, can you look with duflu about the comment on bug #1060171 | 06:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1060171 in compiz (Ubuntu Quantal) "gtk-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup_node() from g_hash_table_remove_internal() from event_filter_func() from gdk_event_apply_filters()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060171 | 06:46 |
| didrocks | RAOF: let me look at u-l-p | 06:46 |
| RAOF | Good work, gnome-keyring. A stable release that fixes bugs *and* has a test suite! | 06:46 |
| popey | sure | 06:47 |
| RAOF | didrocks, popey: Oh, also, while browsing through the unity changes I saw something that seemed strange to make through code review; the comment says “ensure we return 64px icons, the code returns max_size * 3 / 4. | 06:48 |
| didrocks | RAOF: u-l-p: | 06:48 |
| didrocks | https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/unity-lens-photos/unexpected-geeqie-crasher/+merge/130044 | 06:48 |
| RAOF | Sorry; max_width * 2 / 3. | 06:48 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Ah, ok. So, it's for the benefit of software-center. | 06:49 |
| RAOF | I guess that should be fixed to be better, but I'll accept u-l-p. | 06:50 |
| seb128 | didrocks, hey, how are you? thanks for doing SRU review! ;-) | 06:50 |
| didrocks | RAOF: thanks :) | 06:50 |
| RAOF | seb128: A geary SRU? Really? | 06:50 |
| desrt | uh | 06:50 |
| desrt | isn't 'u' for 'update'? | 06:50 |
| seb128 | RAOF, why not? ;-) | 06:50 |
| RAOF | It's an awesome idea, but it barely works? :) | 06:51 |
| desrt | RAOF: who cares? we ship thunderbird and evolution, don't we? :) | 06:51 |
| RAOF | I'm very much behind the idea of geary, and have the daily PPA build installed. I'm surprised it's in universe, though; it's currently litte more than a broken toy :{ | 06:53 |
| RAOF | Baby attack! | 06:53 |
| seb128 | RAOF, it's mostly to be nice to the yorba guys | 06:53 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128! | 06:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, wie gehts? | 06:55 |
| pitti | seb128: gut, danke! happily dropping loots of code | 06:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, sprint^Wautomn cleaning? :-) | 06:56 |
| pitti | seb128: indeed! just landed some more patches which remove ~ 1400 LOCs | 06:56 |
| seb128 | nice | 06:56 |
| Mirv | RAOF/didrocks: I can't see removed xml files in lp:ubuntu/compiz - the line about disabled test was removed by didier to not erronously refer to the bug, but probably only the bug number should have been removed | 07:11 |
| Mirv | (regarding bug #1060171 note) | 07:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1060171 in compiz (Ubuntu Quantal) "gtk-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup_node() from g_hash_table_remove_internal() from event_filter_func() from gdk_event_apply_filters()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060171 | 07:11 |
| didrocks | Mirv: I agree about the disabling test, RAOF, we have manual tests and agrees on those | 07:12 |
| didrocks | RAOF: this version was tested by popey's team and I for more than a week now and we can ensure there is no visible regressions | 07:13 |
| didrocks | RAOF: also, like in GNOME, we don't list every commits | 07:13 |
| didrocks | only those which have a visible impact on user experience, with opened bugs | 07:13 |
| didrocks | I don't see PS work different here | 07:13 |
| didrocks | so re:compiz: is it acceptable for you? | 07:13 |
| Mirv | ah sil2100 commented on the bug as well regarding the cherry-picks (ie. xml files were removed already earlier) | 07:14 |
| didrocks | for unity, let popey's team (I looked for the commit id) giving you an answer | 07:14 |
| RAOF | didrocks: As far as I'm aware PS doesn't have a blanket MRE? | 07:15 |
| didrocks | RAOF: sorry, I don't understand MRE :) | 07:16 |
| RAOF | GNOME gets a pass because it's got a MRE; it might be appropriate that unity/compiz/etc get a Micro Release Exception, but they currently don't, so we want just bug fixes, and only changes which fix bugs. | 07:16 |
| didrocks | RAOF: it didn't work like that in the past, I think the SRU team trusted what we pushed because it was tested | 07:17 |
| didrocks | not sure how pitti dealt with compiz and unity SRUs in the past | 07:17 |
| pitti | pretty much like "stick fingers in ears and press the knob", really | 07:17 |
| RAOF | Heh. | 07:18 |
| pitti | not that I was happy about that approach, but these diffs were usually way too big for a sane review anyway | 07:18 |
| didrocks | and I don't think in 3 years we pushed buggy updates in a SRU (we had one regression AFAIK on the dozen of uploads) | 07:18 |
| didrocks | yeah, and every merge requests already have at least one reviewer | 07:18 |
| didrocks | that + the tests | 07:18 |
| didrocks | so, I'm happy that we can answer on the things that looks wrong to you | 07:18 |
| RAOF | I'm all for various PS projects getting a micro release exception (although perhaps *after* getting the message that boost::*→std::* is *not* a stable release candidate). | 07:19 |
| didrocks | (like boost versus std: change) | 07:19 |
| pitti | but large structural code changes like that give me the creeps, too | 07:19 |
| pitti | especially stuff like boost -> std | 07:19 |
| pitti | was this really tested on arm, powerpc, etc.? this cold lead to all sorts of interesting regressions | 07:19 |
| didrocks | not sure about mandating every commit (which have been checked by distro to fit for a SRU, or would have been reverted) to get all noticed | 07:19 |
| didrocks | pitti: yep, there have been a test on arm | 07:19 |
| didrocks | but let us get an answer on boost -> std | 07:20 |
| pitti | and powerpc? | 07:20 |
| pitti | and armel? | 07:20 |
| didrocks | pitti: no those 2 AFAIK | 07:20 |
| didrocks | amrhf had though | 07:20 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Basically, you're arguing for a MRE - I'm sure the technical board would be receptive, given that everything's nicely tested. | 07:20 |
| didrocks | RAOF: right, I have a session about it at UDS | 07:21 |
| lifeless | meal ready to eat? | 07:21 |
| didrocks | RAOF: but the additional commits in compiz ar really wondering you? | 07:21 |
| didrocks | are* | 07:21 |
| didrocks | worrying* | 07:21 |
| * didrocks needs coffee | 07:21 | |
| RAOF | didrocks: Yes! I worry when an SRU removes files without any mention of why! | 07:21 |
| Mirv | RAOF: like indicated in the bug report now, those were already removed as cherry-picks in the previous release | 07:22 |
| didrocks | hence it's not indicated again | 07:22 |
| didrocks | in the changelog | 07:22 |
| RAOF | So why is it in the debdiff? | 07:22 |
| didrocks | RAOF: one sec, checking | 07:23 |
| didrocks | I remember to have asked Mirv to remove the line because it was already in ubuntu, but let me check, the SRU was pushed more than one week ago in -proposed and didn't get touch… | 07:24 |
| didrocks | so the fix was for https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1057955 | 07:26 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1057955 in Compiz 0.9.8 "Removed schema keys still used in keybindings and automated tests" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 07:26 |
| sil2100 | Yes, I commented on the bug regarding this | 07:27 |
| Mirv | it looks ok in lp:ubuntu/compiz, but I think Adam's 1:0.9.8.4-0ubuntu3 upload added them back? | 07:27 |
| Mirv | 1:0.9.8.4-0ubuntu3 is also not in the packaging branch at all | 07:27 |
| RAOF | Yeah, the compiz we're shipping in Quantal includes those xml.in files. | 07:27 |
| RAOF | Check out apt-get source. | 07:28 |
| didrocks | Mirv: hum, in fact, it's a different story | 07:28 |
| didrocks | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/117994551/compiz_1%3A0.9.8.2%2Bbzr3377-0ubuntu1_1%3A0.9.8.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 07:28 |
| didrocks | they were removed from the install | 07:28 |
| sil2100 | So something is wrong | 07:28 |
| didrocks | not in upstream tarball | 07:28 |
| didrocks | Mirv: does it sound right to you? ^ | 07:29 |
| Mirv | didrocks: they were removed in ubuntu1, yes, but possibly erronously put back in ubuntu3 which is missing from lp:ubuntu/compiz as well | 07:31 |
| didrocks | Mirv: no, there were not removed if I'm correct (look at the debdiff), there were just not *installed* | 07:31 |
| didrocks | which is the same for the end user experience | 07:31 |
| didrocks | which is what we should focus on I guess | 07:31 |
| Mirv | hmm, yes, true, regardless of how it is | 07:32 |
| * RAOF goes and has a nice relaxing bath | 07:32 | |
| didrocks | - 50-compiz-launchers.xml.in | 07:32 |
| didrocks | 50-compiz-navigation.xml.in | 07:32 |
| Mirv | and lp:ubuntu/compiz is fine now | 07:32 |
| didrocks | - 50-compiz-screenshot.xml.in | 07:32 |
| didrocks | - 50-compiz-system.xml.in | 07:32 |
| Mirv | (after bzr pull) | 07:32 |
| didrocks | Mirv: yeah, seems the move to raring branches missed it (it was in the proposed one) | 07:33 |
| didrocks | Mirv: so I grabbed and pushed | 07:33 |
| didrocks | RAOF: can we have a conscensus on that? | 07:33 |
| didrocks | (for compiz, again, we'll check with upstream for the boost -> std on unity) | 07:33 |
| Mirv | also the compiz-gnome I've installed with the packaging is fine | 07:34 |
| sil2100 | RAOF: regarding the offending commit... | 07:39 |
| tsdgeos | how do we get the upstream fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1064992 in? do we want it in i guess? | 07:39 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1064992 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Unity menubar crashes when activating a submenu in LibreOffice while using Orca screen reader" [Undecided,In progress] | 07:39 |
| sil2100 | RAOF: if the boost->std switch is not good, we can revert this switch indeed... | 07:40 |
| sil2100 | RAOF: and stick with boost for now | 07:40 |
| seb128 | tsdgeos, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug and get the SRU infos if you can to help the update | 07:41 |
| didrocks | sil2100: can we get that merged in 6.0 and then, we just cherry-pick it? | 07:41 |
| didrocks | (now that the branch is in sync again ;)) | 07:41 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: yes, I just asked bschaefer_ to do that | 07:41 |
| sil2100 | :) | 07:41 |
| didrocks | excellent, thanks sil2100! | 07:41 |
| Mirv | thanks sil2100! | 07:41 |
| sil2100 | Sorry about that, it's really ugh, I feel ashamed, I could have remembered that SRU==no-big-changes | 07:41 |
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| seb128 | tsdgeos, SRU infos: impact, test case, regression potential | 07:41 |
| sil2100 | Since I basically approved it ;p | 07:41 |
| * bschaefer should have known that as well | 07:42 | |
| didrocks | sil2100: can you look at: | 07:42 |
| didrocks | 08:48:31 RAOF | didrocks, popey: Oh, also, while browsing through the unity changes I saw something that seemed strange to | 07:42 |
| didrocks | | make through code review; the comment says “ensure we return 64px icons, the code returns max_size * 3 / 4 | 07:42 |
| didrocks | sil2100: can help you with bzr annotate just to find the correct person :) | 07:42 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: will try! ;) | 07:43 |
| didrocks | sil2100: keep me posted if you need help | 07:43 |
| didrocks | so I think unity is on the right track | 07:43 |
| didrocks | we need to have a decision on compiz itself | 07:43 |
| didrocks | I can document "removal of upstream files in the source that we already don't install upstream and downstream" | 07:43 |
| didrocks | but: | 07:43 |
| didrocks | 1. there is nothing to check | 07:43 |
| didrocks | 2. reverting that will make us diverging from the rarring branch for no reason | 07:44 |
| sil2100 | I'll just get a drink | 07:44 |
| tsdgeos | seb128: ok, done | 07:47 |
| RAOF | didrocks: If we're certain they're not installed I don't need a comment in debian/changelog | 07:53 |
| sil2100 | RAOF: we'll remove the boost->std switch and cherry-pick it ASAP | 07:58 |
| RAOF | sil2100: Ta | 07:58 |
| sil2100 | RAOF: sorry about that | 07:58 |
| RAOF | 'sok. | 07:58 |
| RAOF | I just have to reject uploads, which I don't particularly like doing :/ | 07:59 |
| didrocks | RAOF: yeah, I can ensure you for 100% it's not installed ;) | 07:59 |
| didrocks | RAOF: hit me hard at UDS if it's the case :) | 07:59 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Then full steam ahead! | 07:59 |
| didrocks | RAOF: so agree on me pushing compiz again? | 07:59 |
| didrocks | RAOF: I can promise you a beer, which is a lot in that country (I'll sell my car for it :p) | 07:59 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Yeah, push compiz again. | 08:00 |
| * didrocks dput -f ;) | 08:00 | |
| didrocks | RAOF: done! thanks again! We are fixing unity now (thanks for spotting it!) | 08:01 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, cassidy is pinging about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adium-theme-ubuntu/+bug/959084 ... webkitish issue, do you have an idea could you have a look to? | 08:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 959084 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empathy-chat consistently uses 9-10 % CPU" [Low,Triaged] | 08:01 |
| dupondje | Got a really strange issue with LightDM, sometimes when I boot, I see the console cursor on tty7 (trough the lightdm window). If I then switch to tty1 for example, I still see lightdm visible (only partly). Is that a known bug? | 08:08 |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: did you submit a merge for the std->boost switch already maybe? ;) | 08:09 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, working on it, had to recompile some things :( | 08:09 |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: ok, just give me a poke once it's submitted, so that I won't miss it! | 08:10 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, will do! | 08:10 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: for the max_height * 2 / 3 change, it seems mhr3 was the author | 08:16 |
| sil2100 | https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity/respect-icon-size-hint-6.0/+merge/129123 | 08:16 |
| seb128 | dupondje, not known | 08:16 |
| didrocks | sil2100: he's not far from here! I saw him, take your knife and run after him ;) | 08:16 |
| seb128 | dupondje, seems like a kernel,xorg,video issue | 08:16 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: let's molest him about this change | 08:16 |
| sil2100 | mhr3: ! | 08:16 |
| didrocks | sil2100: you can as well just ask him, seems less risky and it may work ;) | 08:17 |
| sil2100 | mhr3: RAOF doesn't like the part that's under FIXME ;) | 08:17 |
| RAOF | sil2100, mhr3: Particularly: I don't see why it calculates a value, rather than just returning 64L | 08:18 |
| RAOF | Ahem. 64. | 08:18 |
| RAOF | That just seems begging for an unrelated change to make things look bad later on. | 08:19 |
| mhr3 | RAOF, it's not in a component that should use such hardcoded values | 08:19 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-1046201-6.0/+merge/131140 | 08:19 |
| RAOF | mhr3: But you're essentially hardcoding 64 there? | 08:20 |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: thanks! Building, testing and then approving | 08:20 |
| mhr3 | RAOF, although the fixme suggests that, no | 08:20 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, awesome thanks! | 08:20 |
| RAOF | mhr3: So is 2/3 of whatever max_width is right for all values of max_width? | 08:20 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, the diff will be smaller after the cherry pick :) | 08:20 |
| mhr3 | RAOF, well... no :) but hardcoding 64 isn't correct either | 08:21 |
| mhr3 | for things we use it with 2/3 works | 08:21 |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: I think I'll even change it to Needs Review, since the decision is that we include it if it's working ok ;) | 08:21 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, sounds good | 08:21 |
| RAOF | mhr3: If hardcoding 64 is wrong, but 2/3rds is also wrong, isn't 64 more *obviously* wrong and so more likely to be changed when appropriate? I picked up on this partially because I'm grumpy about the boost::→std:: change ☺. | 08:23 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, ugg i missed a change in the test | 08:23 |
| * bschaefer goes to fix it | 08:23 | |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: no problem, still updating my chroot ;) | 08:23 |
| bschaefer | :) | 08:23 |
| mhr3 | RAOF, bottom line, i don't see any way to make it "better" atm, and hardcoding won't make it better | 08:25 |
| RAOF | I think that hardcoding makes it more *obviously* wrong, so more likely to be fixed later. That said, it's not a blocker for SRU acceptance. I just reserve the right to say “I told you so” later on, should someone make a change that breaks it ☺ | 08:27 |
| mhr3 | fwiw we're already starting to refactor that whole component ;) | 08:29 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, pushed the fix | 08:30 |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: ok, pulling | 08:31 |
| didrocks | RAOF: I'm sure you have a personal tomboy note with the "I told you so" examples :) | 08:44 |
| sil2100 | bschaefer: ok, working nicely, I'll just check something and approve ;) | 08:48 |
| bschaefer | sil2100, cool! | 08:48 |
| gema | sil2100: I am sending you an email with some pics of my new problem this morning | 08:50 |
| gema | sil2100: some of my windows half break to show what's underneath | 08:51 |
| popey | gema what's up? | 08:51 |
| gema | hey popey not much, I think it is compiz, but I am not sure, so looking for a second opinion :) | 08:51 |
| popey | I'd also like to see those | 08:52 |
| gema | popey: forwarding | 08:52 |
| popey | thanks | 08:52 |
| RAOF | popey: Oh, if we're soliciting random bug reports - I've got a problem when there's a window that's been greyed out for being unresponsive. | 08:53 |
| popey | oh? | 08:53 |
| RAOF | The unity overlays (dash, alt-tab, top-bar-shadow) flicker at roughly 30Hz between being there and not being there when they're over an unresponsive window. | 08:54 |
| RAOF | I've got a video of it, but haven't yet attached it to a bug. | 08:55 |
| RAOF | Want to see? | 08:55 |
| sil2100 | gema: thanks! | 08:55 |
| popey | ping us the bug when you do | 08:55 |
| sil2100 | Will look into it a bit later | 08:55 |
| gema | sil2100: no prob | 08:55 |
| popey | gema, that loooks like a video driver issue to me | 08:56 |
| popey | gema, what video card does that machine have, with 3 heads? | 08:57 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: for the change from std back to boost - should we create a new bug for it and link it to it, or just in the changelog write it down without a bug number when cherry-picking? | 08:57 |
| gema | popey: Radeon HD 5800 | 08:59 |
| gema | popey: it used to work fine with precise | 09:00 |
| gema | popey: it may well be the new kernel then playing games on me, I will look into it | 09:04 |
| RAOF | I now have a shiny new Radoon HD 7870 that supports 4 monitors; I should see if jasoncwarner_ will let me expense 3 extra monitors to test :) | 09:05 |
| gema | RAOF: :D | 09:05 |
| RAOF | popey: Enjoy! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1070735 | 09:07 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1070735 in unity (Ubuntu) "When Unity UI elements are above an unresponsive window, they flicker" [Undecided,New] | 09:07 |
| gema | popey, sil2100: using gnome classic for a while to discard unity and make sure it's a graphics issue | 09:17 |
| popey | thanks RAOF | 09:22 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: ! | 09:38 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/ubuntu_6.10_cp_std <- the cherry-picked branch for unity | 09:45 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: I didn't know if I should revert it to UNRELEASED from quantal-proposed or not, so I just left it as it is | 09:46 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: hope the changelog entry is ok | 09:46 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: oh, and there's also one more branch I'd like you to check | 09:46 |
| didrocks | sil2100: let me have a look | 09:46 |
| didrocks | sil2100: it's fine to keep it as it is, no UNRELEASED for this special process :) | 09:46 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-lens-applications/vala_bump <- the other branch, since pstolowski has a merge that bumps the requirement for libgnome-menu and also valac | 09:51 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF "to test" ;) | 09:52 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-lens-applications/use-libgnome-menu3/+merge/130509 <- this merge | 09:52 |
| sil2100 | I've been told it's a necessary change ;) | 09:52 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: thanks for checking those out! | 09:53 |
| didrocks | sil2100: running the new unity, seems good to me :) | 09:55 |
| didrocks | sil2100: looking at u-l-a then! | 09:55 |
| didrocks | sil2100: unity in -proposed | 09:56 |
| didrocks | RAOF: ^ | 09:57 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: ta ;) | 09:57 |
| sil2100 | gema: looking at the bug pictures now | 10:01 |
| gema | sil2100: so far my gnome classic experience is good, my graphics card is working fine here | 10:02 |
| gema | sil2100: so I doubt is a driver issue | 10:02 |
| gema | sil2100: or maybe it's a driver issue with unity | 10:03 |
| Laney | try gnome-shell, it's likely to be closer to unity in terms of driver usage | 10:03 |
| sil2100 | gema: we think it's rather a driver issue, since the code related to it is rather fragile - but we'll be looking at it ;) | 10:04 |
| gema | Laney: I will try gnome-shell | 10:04 |
| gema | sil2100: thanks! | 10:05 |
| didrocks | sil2100: pushed and approed | 10:06 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: awesome! | 10:07 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: did you push u-l-a distro update to lp:ubuntu/u-l-a? | 10:48 |
| sil2100 | Since I can't see it in the bzr branch I just did | 10:49 |
| sil2100 | And the merge is still failing | 10:49 |
| seb128 | cool website: http://upstream-tracker.org/index.html | 11:00 |
| seb128 | it lists api changes in quite some libs | 11:01 |
| seb128 | on that lunch time | 11:01 |
| cyphermox | good morning! | 11:58 |
| didrocks | 14:06:48 didrocks | sil2100: hum, I did bzr push | 12:09 |
| didrocks | 14:08:02 didrocks | sil2100: oh, it's telling me it diverged | 12:09 |
| didrocks | 14:08:47 didrocks | sil2100: let me merge your change | 12:09 |
| sil2100 | Awww, maybe because the branch was from Monday... | 12:10 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: thanks! | 12:10 |
| didrocks | sil2100: yeah, your branch is outdated, no worry :) | 12:10 |
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| attente | desrt: ping | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | qengho, did you see the webkit bug i assigned to you? | 13:40 |
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| kenvandine | qengho, i tried to bisect it, testing all the previous versions of the adium theme and still got the same behavior | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | so sounds like something that webkit caused | 13:43 |
| jibel | webapps seem to make firefox use a lot of cpu | 13:47 |
| qengho | kenvandine: got it. lp#959084. | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | thanks | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | sounds like it has to be something that webkit introduced... so have fun diving in that :) | 13:52 |
| desrt | attente: pong | 13:55 |
| attente | desrt: can you take a quick look at this? http://fpaste.org/eHsH/ | 13:56 |
| desrt | attente: SHOW ME THE CODE!!! | 13:57 |
| desrt | attente: we've seen this bug before....... | 14:03 |
| attente | desrt: we have? | 14:03 |
| desrt | libreoffice was crashing with a very similar trace | 14:03 |
| attente | the only thing i can tell is that the menu passed in is NULL | 14:04 |
| desrt | so either you are doing the same thing they were (they fixed the bug on their side) or it's my fault :) | 14:04 |
| attente | to unrealize the GtkMenu, all i did was remove it from the parent container | 14:05 |
| attente | then re-realize it by adding it back in | 14:06 |
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| attente | desrt: do you know how they fixed it? | 14:13 |
| attente | (or what they did in the first place) | 14:14 |
| mhr3 | didrocks, seb somewhere close to you? | 14:24 |
| mhr3 | didrocks, i need to cry to him that bustle-dbus-monitor doesn't work | 14:25 |
| mhr3 | seb128, , i need to cry to you that bustle-dbus-monitor doesn't work | 14:25 |
| mhr3 | guess it's the change in Q where the monitoring apps need to set some flag now | 14:26 |
| seb128 | mhr3, the eavedropping thing? | 14:30 |
| mhr3 | seb128, that'd be my guess | 14:30 |
| desrt | attente: sorry. was asking lars about it and got into a big discussion | 14:33 |
| desrt | attente: we're planning how to make seb128 lose his will to live | 14:34 |
| Laney | yeah looks like our bustle is quite out of date | 14:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, want to have a look at updating it? | 14:34 |
| kenvandine | desrt, want to make ubuntu spicier? | 14:34 |
| attente | desrt: oh. ok then | 14:34 |
| Laney | can do | 14:34 |
| desrt | attente: anyway... not sure what the issue is | 14:35 |
| seb128 | desrt, be careful, I'm watching you | 14:35 |
| desrt | if i had your code and could reproduce it locally it would help a lot | 14:35 |
| desrt | seb128: creep | 14:35 |
| attente | desrt: i emailed it to you | 14:35 |
| desrt | oh. good. | 14:35 |
| seb128 | larsu, hey, long time not seen, how are you? | 14:35 |
| desrt | you should get that in git.... | 14:35 |
| Laney | mhr3: you probably want these https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39140#c12 | 14:35 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 39140 in General "add eavesdrop=true to rule(s)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 14:36 |
| larsu | seb128, pretty good. What's up? | 14:36 |
| attente | is there a remote i can push to? | 14:36 |
| seb128 | attente, lp:~huaw/+junk/yourcode? :p | 14:36 |
| seb128 | attente, bzr! | 14:36 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:36 |
| attente | heh | 14:36 |
| mhr3 | Laney, yep, looks that way | 14:37 |
| desrt | attente: put it on chinstrap? | 14:38 |
| desrt | or github... | 14:38 |
| desrt | or gitorious | 14:38 |
| seb128 | tarball & email :p | 14:38 |
| * desrt has dconf-qt on gitorious | 14:38 | |
| kenvandine | usb stick in an envelope ? | 14:38 |
| Laney | oh wow, bustle is haskell: /me gets excited | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | Laney, you're sick | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 14:39 |
| mhr3 | Laney, just the latest version | 14:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, mhr3 was mentioning that, I though you would like it :p | 14:39 |
| desrt | attente: could put it on gnome.org | 14:39 |
| lamalex | bryce, RAOF hey guys- im having very bad nvidia/nouveau problems. if you of you are around could you lend me a hand? | 14:39 |
| * mlankhorst looks away innocently | 14:40 | |
| mlankhorst | lamalex: what kind? | 14:41 |
| lamalex | with the proprietary driver, after the splash screen my screen goes black and stays that way | 14:41 |
| lamalex | with nouveau it seems to be munging registers and rendering my wireless disabled, and also causing me to hardlock | 14:42 |
| lamalex | lots of dmesg errors from it | 14:42 |
| mlankhorst | pastebin? | 14:42 |
| mlankhorst | precise or quantal btw | 14:42 |
| lamalex | quantal | 14:43 |
| lamalex | precise works great | 14:43 |
| lamalex | but im on the webapps team, which rather requires using q | 14:44 |
| lamalex | and r before long | 14:44 |
| desrt | larsu: <seb128> shit | 14:46 |
| mlankhorst | pastebin your dmesg then | 14:46 |
| lamalex | mlankhorst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1302653/ | 14:46 |
| larsu | desrt, what? | 14:46 |
| mlankhorst | hm looks like some crap in the 3d engine going wrong :P | 14:46 |
| seb128 | desrt, you are tired man | 14:47 |
| mlankhorst | lamalex: though couldn't say for sure whether by the DDX or by mesa | 14:48 |
| desrt | attente: not seeing the crash | 14:48 |
| attente | really?.. | 14:49 |
| attente | running ./hello | 14:49 |
| desrt | i guess i should disable my dbusmenu-enabled gtk :/ | 14:49 |
| mlankhorst | lamalex: can you boot without starting X, then start X, export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 and do DISPLAY=:0 /etc/X11/Xsession ? | 14:49 |
| lamalex | what's the best way to boot without starting X | 14:50 |
| mlankhorst | recovery mode | 14:50 |
| mlankhorst | but with nomodeset removed | 14:50 |
| lamalex | should i set those vars before starting X? | 14:50 |
| mlankhorst | doesn't affect X | 14:50 |
| lamalex | k | 14:51 |
| lamalex | so take nomodeset out from grub, then start in recovery mode | 14:51 |
| mlankhorst | yeah | 14:52 |
| lamalex | aye aye | 14:52 |
| lamalex | be back in a moment | 14:52 |
| lamalex | mlankhorst, unsuccessful | 15:04 |
| lamalex | im not sure what i did wrong but exactly but i didn't really get anywhere | 15:04 |
| desrt | larsu: http://www.fpaste.org/PwuQ/ | 15:04 |
| mlankhorst | lamalex: yeah it's probably ddx feeding crap | 15:05 |
| lamalex | what is dd | 15:07 |
| lamalex | x | 15:07 |
| mlankhorst | erm the xorg driver | 15:08 |
| lamalex | ah | 15:08 |
| lamalex | very frustrating | 15:08 |
| mlankhorst | BEGIN_END_ACTIVE - You tried changing stuff while begin/end was active. | 15:10 |
| mlankhorst | hmz | 15:10 |
| mlankhorst | feeling adventerous? :P | 15:20 |
| mlankhorst | if not the easy fix is disabling exa by specifying option "noaccel" in xorg.conf for nouveau driver | 15:26 |
| desrt | attente: hey. got a job for you :) | 15:46 |
| attente | desrt: sure :) what is it? | 15:47 |
| desrt | attente: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1070905 | 15:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1070905 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "a11y panel calls g_settings_new() on (uninstalled) overlay scrollbar schema" [Undecided,New] | 15:47 |
| desrt | it's caused by a patch we have in our gnome-control-center package | 15:47 |
| desrt | it's now possible to check if a particular schema is installed via g_settings_schema_source_get_default() -> g_settings_schema_source_lookup() | 15:48 |
| desrt | so you should do this before it tries to do g_settings_new() | 15:48 |
| attente | ok, sounds easy enough | 15:48 |
| seb128 | attente, good opportunity to play with our workflow ;-) | 15:49 |
| qengho | kenvandine: that empathy-chat bug goes away the instant that the chat history vertically fills the allotted space. I'm betting on some scroll-bar hackiness. | 15:49 |
| seb128 | attente, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr is worth reading | 15:49 |
| desrt | seb128: i gave him this bug because it's the perfect chance :) | 15:49 |
| kenvandine | oh | 15:50 |
| kenvandine | interesting | 15:50 |
| attente | seb128: thanks | 15:50 |
| kenvandine | qengho, ok... well it couldn't be overlay scrollbars | 15:50 |
| kenvandine | cassidy said he gets it on fedora with our theme | 15:50 |
| mlankhorst | lamalex: can you try "[PATCH] nouveau: Do not use nva3 engine for 0xaf chipset" ? | 15:53 |
| mlankhorst | probably can get it off ml somewhere | 15:53 |
| lamalex | mlankhorst, https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1272971/ ? | 15:54 |
| mlankhorst | assume so | 15:54 |
| lamalex | is there a guide somewhere to patching my kernel? | 15:55 |
| lamalex | never done this | 15:55 |
| mlankhorst | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile | 15:56 |
| seb128 | attente, https://launchpad.net/~huaw is your launchpad id right*k | 16:01 |
| seb128 | *k->? | 16:02 |
| attente | ~attente | 16:02 |
| seb128 | crap | 16:02 |
| attente | i think that's my old one | 16:02 |
| attente | from way back when | 16:02 |
| desrt | we had a workstation in 229 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | attente, ok, I found ~huaw, I added the wrong one to our team :p | 16:02 |
| seb128 | changing it | 16:02 |
| desrt | with english/french labels on all of the buttons, canadian style | 16:02 |
| desrt | one of them was labelled "attente" | 16:03 |
| desrt | it stuck | 16:03 |
| attente | thanks, seb128 | 16:03 |
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| orpok | how can i start x in safe mode? using ubuntu 12.10 and tried to use amd's drivers, now compiz crashes | 16:41 |
| orpok | oops wrong channel | 16:41 |
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| xclaesse | I've got a belgian bluetooth keyboard, every time I reboot its layout is reset to qwerty | 17:22 |
| xclaesse | instead of azerty | 17:22 |
| xclaesse | in gnome-control-center it still says it's belgian | 17:22 |
| xclaesse | is that known problem? any workaround? | 17:23 |
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| bryce | xclaesse, check launchpad. | 18:44 |
| desrt | attente: hey. we're back from dinner. how goes it? | 18:59 |
| attente | uh, it's going | 19:00 |
| attente | i have some questions | 19:00 |
| attente | why allow g_settings_new to crash if the schema isn't available? | 19:00 |
| kenvandine | haha | 19:01 |
| attente | :) | 19:02 |
| kenvandine | desrt's fault | 19:02 |
| dobey | haha | 19:03 |
| attente | the other question is | 19:06 |
| attente | do we have to check for all of the other settings schema too? | 19:06 |
| attente | like org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences? | 19:07 |
| kirkland | okay, upgraded to Quantal and when I hit my browser back button on my thinkpad, the stupid unity launcher pops up | 19:11 |
| kirkland | how do I disable that? | 19:11 |
| kirkland | looks like this bug, perhaps? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/968840 | 19:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 968840 in unity-2d "HUD gets activated by Thinkpad USB Keyboard's back and forward buttons" [Medium,Fix released] | 19:12 |
| kirkland | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/24/%23ubuntu-desktop.html | 19:16 |
| kirkland | there we go; I knew I had to work around this previously | 19:16 |
| kirkland | okay, sweet, fixed (again) | 19:17 |
| kirkland | this setting got lost on upgrade to 12.10, fwiw | 19:17 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey, is "Nathanel Titane" doing IRC? | 19:19 |
| seb128 | attente, I just joined and don't have the backlog for your question, but is that for g-c-c? | 19:20 |
| seb128 | in which case, no need to check for those, g-c-c depends on gsettings-desktop-schemas, that package is not optional | 19:20 |
| attente | seb128: ok, cool | 19:20 |
| attente | ls | 19:21 |
| jbicha | seb128: I don't think he's logged on now, but he's used nathaneltitane before | 19:26 |
| seb128 | jbicha, ok | 19:26 |
| seb128 | jbicha, topic like "use current nautilus" are not very useful if you are not looking at forking the whole stack | 19:27 |
| seb128 | jbicha, if the library change interface it's going to force you to fork every single app using libnautilus | 19:27 |
| seb128 | jbicha, if the new nautilus depends on some other GNOME components it's going to create issues as well | 19:27 |
| seb128 | e.g thing nautilus-sendto | 19:28 |
| seb128 | well, not my call but I would recommend strongly against going this way | 19:28 |
| seb128 | it's going to bite back | 19:28 |
| jbicha | seb128: hmm? I think I'm missing some context | 19:34 |
| seb128 | jbicha, speaking about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gnome-nautilus-gnomebuntu | 19:34 |
| jbicha | first I saw that, but yeah that topic isn't very useful | 19:36 |
| jbicha | "This would provide the essential, unaltered, out of the box experience Ubuntu is known for" | 19:37 |
| seb128 | jbicha, well, I'm just saying you are up to fork the whole GNOME stack in a conflicting/co-installable way, including gtk | 19:39 |
| seb128 | it might be easier to just create a derivative distro rather than a flavor if you try to do this | 19:40 |
| jbicha | seb128: I think the blueprint is just reaction to Ubuntu including Nautilus 3.4; of course next cycle will be worse for shipping the latest GNOME but at least we'll have nautilus 3.6 | 19:41 |
| seb128 | jbicha, yeah, maybe I understand the purpose of the blueprint, it sounds like "ship the latest GNOME in the archive somewhere even if Ubuntu stay on the n-1 version" | 19:42 |
| seb128 | bryce, hey, I'm changing the approver of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-xorg-general to me, feel free to pick somebody else but we usually try to have a different people for drafter and approver (it doesn't make sense to have the writer being the one approving himself as well) | 19:43 |
| bryce | seb128, the xorg-general blueprint is really just for the discussion, if any actual project work comes out of it then that would be done as separate blueprints. | 19:47 |
| seb128 | bryce, ok, fair enough, I was making the comment as it might apply to other specs as well | 19:48 |
| bryce | seb128, we could set chris as the drafter if that would be more proper, but really nothing will be drafted (just misc. work items that don't fit into bp's) | 19:48 |
| seb128 | bryce, well, your call, typically (from pitti's time) the default approver is the team lead/tech lead since those are the ones doing the review of the team load, etc after UDS | 19:49 |
| seb128 | so we have sort of kept doing it this way | 19:49 |
| seb128 | we can discuss it next week if you think we should do it differently | 19:49 |
| bryce | seb128, right, and as per jason's email does it not make the most sense for that to be the X team tech lead? unless you just enjoy the extra paperwork. ;-) | 19:55 |
| seb128 | bryce, I'm not enjoying extra paperwork no ;)- but we decided that we stay one team with one chart for the team and not 3 charts ... anyway as I first say just pick different people for drafter and reviewer, your call who those are then ;-) | 19:56 |
| bryce | seb128, alright looks good | 20:18 |
| bryce | seb128, maybe canonical-desktop should not be subscribed to blueprints to cut down on blueprint update spam? | 20:19 |
| Laney | indeed | 20:19 |
| seb128 | where is it subscribed? | 20:20 |
| bryce | seb128, printer dialog | 20:20 |
| seb128 | bryce, Laney: oh, apparently tkamppeter did that ... unsubscribed, thanks for pointing it, | 20:21 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, please don't subscribe teams to blueprints, just the people who should be there | 20:22 |
| seb128 | attente, thanks for patch, please take some time to read the wiki page I pointed and http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ | 20:23 |
| seb128 | attente, it seems a good opportunity to see a bit of packaging and our workflow | 20:24 |
| desrt | attente: i also left some comments about the patch itself | 20:24 |
| seb128 | attente, e.g do a debian/patches patch, generate a debdiff etc | 20:24 |
| seb128 | doing a merge request | 20:24 |
| attente | ok | 20:24 |
| seb128 | well it's usually either a debdiff or merge request, but it's useful to see how both are working ;-) | 20:24 |
| bryce | hrm, many of these gaming blueprints I'm not sure there's really going to be one hour's worth of discussion | 20:26 |
| attente | desrt: i'm not sure why it didn't crash when i tested it, if the second point applies | 20:26 |
| desrt | attente: did you actually try changing the theme? | 20:27 |
| desrt | the code only runs in that case | 20:27 |
| attente | ah ok | 20:29 |
| desrt | see the crash now? | 20:29 |
| desrt | (or critical?) | 20:29 |
| attente | well, i need to figure out how to change the theme first | 20:29 |
| desrt | it's at the top of the a11y dialog | 20:29 |
| desrt | Contrast: | 20:29 |
| desrt | low/normal/high/high-inverse | 20:30 |
| bryce | seb128, given that most of the gaming blueprints are set to priority low or medium, I think it doesn't make sense to devote so many uds slots esp. since we have only 4 days. I would suggest merging the two audio BPs, and merge the process cleanup BP in with the graphics one. maybe others could be merged. | 20:31 |
| seb128 | bryce, yeah, that's a good point, dpm registered the topics he had on his list I think, feel free to do some editing and reject the non needed one from uds-r | 20:36 |
| seb128 | bryce, though I guess e.g the audio ones will have a few people who will probably not have so many sessions to join so if we have enough rooms it shouldn't create much conflicts | 20:36 |
| seb128 | ok, time to call it at day, 'night everyone | 20:39 |
| desrt | lies | 20:39 |
| desrt | seb is going for more beer now | 20:39 |
| desrt | quoth seb "i'm calling it a day.... on the work side" | 20:40 |
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| doomlord | anyone here? | 22:30 |
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| sarnold | doomlord: irc tends to work best if you just ask whatever question may be on your mind :) | 22:45 |
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