[00:17] <darkxst> jbicha, can you upload bug 1064354 for me?
[00:31] <jbicha> darkxst: done, thanks
[00:35] <darkxst> jbicha, thanks
[01:29] <darkxst> jbicha, seems the apport script is not picking up 'enabled-extensions' key
[02:54] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, my theory is that apport has trouble with schemas that have subfolders, it failed with org.gnome.anjuta too
[02:56] <darkxst> hmm, no we are calling attach_gsettings_schema(report, 'org.gnome.desktop.interface')
[02:57] <darkxst> extension ket is in org.gnome.shell
[02:57] <jbicha> it also doesn't like org.gnome.settings-daemon but that's a pretty big tree
[02:58] <jbicha> I've just been editing /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_gnome-shell.py directly and then running ubuntu-bug gnome-shell to see if it catches changed schemas
[02:59] <darkxst> anyway having the dm session logs is gold!
[02:59] <jbicha> if you know python, you can poke around lp:apport if that helps
[03:00] <darkxst> yeh will have a look tonight
[03:14] <darkxst> it does seem to be rather broken
[03:15] <darkxst> not sure this does anything either? "attach_gsettings_package(report, 'gnome-shell-common')"
[03:16] <jbicha> darkxst: I think that works, but looking at the apport code, we might as well just tell it what schema we actually want
[03:16] <jbicha> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/hookutils.py#L571
[03:17] <jbicha> so, org.gnome.shell
[03:18] <darkxst> lol, really why arent they using gi?
[03:21] <darkxst> anyway, line 598 looks broken
[03:22] <darkxst> but that doesnt explain why we can't get the keys in the specified schema
[03:22] <darkxst> i.e. org.gnome.shell returns nothing
[03:23] <jbicha> if it hits an exception, it wouldn't give us any output, right?
[03:24] <jbicha> or if line 598 is broken, I think we wouldn't get output either
[03:24] <darkxst> line 598 is broken in that it wont check sub-folders
[03:26] <jbicha> I wonder if using dconf dump would be a better idea than gsettings list-recursively
[03:26] <jbicha> oh good, my theory was right :)
[03:26] <jbicha> trial and error works eventually
[03:28] <darkxst> well you should be able to access the schemas directly with gobject introspection
[03:28] <darkxst> so not sure why they are spawning command line utils
[03:30] <trism> it is actually not straightforward to get defaults (that I have found), that's why they use the XDG_CONFIG_HOME hack
[03:33] <trism> if you find any easy way though I'd love to know though (after digging through the gsettings code a bit it didn't seem like you could get at it without first reseting the key, which can cause issues)
[03:35] <darkxst> it must be available
[03:35] <darkxst> but I can't really look now
[03:37] <trism> not through the API anyway
[03:55]  * everaldo just see now that our build script is much better/easy than live-build
[03:58] <jbicha> everaldo: :)
[04:00] <jbicha> it could be that we don't know what we're doing, but our way is a bit more documented
[04:17] <darkxst> jbicha, you have seen cjwatson's build scripts right?
[04:18] <everaldo> darkxst, the cjwatson's instructions just create squashfs, this is the easy part
[04:19] <darkxst> no his other scripts that build  the isos
[04:19] <everaldo> oh
[04:19] <darkxst> lots and lots of bash code
[04:19] <everaldo> darkxst, where?
[04:19] <jbicha> uh, this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[04:19] <darkxst> on his launchpad page maybe
[04:21] <darkxst> no not that
[04:21] <jbicha> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/
[04:21] <darkxst> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/
[04:21] <darkxst> ah jbicha beat me!
[04:22] <jbicha> yeah, part of the fun was trying to figure out where all the branches hide
[04:23] <everaldo> oh, it is not possible that this stuff is used to build iso
[04:23] <jbicha> I believe a few pieces are restricted to the Canonical release team members as they include the publishing credentials
[04:23] <everaldo> we have just two scripts and they are very easy to understand
[04:24] <jbicha> everaldo: we skip the hard steps
[04:24] <jbicha> that part where we just use an already existing Ubuntu iso
[04:25] <everaldo> yes, but I will check my old scripts  that create all from scratch
[04:25] <everaldo> jbicha, do we need to use live-build to be oficial?
[04:26] <jbicha> everaldo: nope, this is what Lubuntu used https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-tools
[04:26] <jbicha> cjwatson doesn't really expect any one else to duplicate exactly what they do
[04:27] <everaldo> we can use this lubuntu script as base
[04:28] <everaldo> will work on that, the live-build stuff is just too much
[04:29] <darkxst> everaldo, lubuntu script looks quite similar to what we have already
[04:29] <everaldo> yes, I see
[04:29] <jbicha> and there's no need, our script does most of what we need
[04:29] <darkxst> which for now, works fine
[04:29] <everaldo> we just need to have a skel folder with contents of cd/dvd/iso
[04:29] <darkxst> and saves a lot of effort!
[04:29] <darkxst> we do? extract-cd
[04:30] <darkxst> except its stolen from the ubuntu iso :)
[04:30] <jbicha> we could use an extra publish function, to make the md5sums, .torrent's and .manifest's
[04:31] <darkxst> jbicha, that would be easy
[04:31] <jbicha> and stealing from the latest iso is good as it ensures that we get the latest .debs and wubi
[04:32] <darkxst> yeh all good, until they sneak in last minute changes to secure boot which burnt us!
[04:38] <darkxst> but in general stealing from ubuntu is good. After all we are not that much different (compared to the other derivatives)
[04:38] <darkxst> or perhaps, borrowing is a nicer word!
[04:38] <everaldo> :)
[04:40] <darkxst> jbicha, when do the R archives open? after UDS?
[04:42] <everaldo> hehe, we will have a stable distro for just two weeks and start again with a devel distro
[04:42] <darkxst> everaldo, stable is too boring ;)
[04:47] <jbicha> darkxst: I don't rememember the archives ever taking this long to open; however cjwatson is setting up some magic where all uploads will go to -proposed first and then automatically migrate to the regular archives once they've built on all architectures
[04:48] <jbicha> I expect the archives to open before uds though
[04:48] <jbicha> pitti traditionally upgrades his laptop to the development release on the last day of UDS (there's a local archive mirror there so it's faster than doing it at home)
[04:50] <everaldo> jbicha, where we will discuss changes for 13.04 ? Wiki? Etherpad?
[04:53] <jbicha> probably the mailing list or blueprints.launchpad.net, but you can try something else if you like
[04:55]  * everaldo reading about blueprints 
[04:57] <darkxst> lol, ok, my free mirror is really slow
[04:57] <darkxst> but actually have some really fast mirrors here
[04:58] <darkxst> like ~100mbps
[04:58] <everaldo> well, my internet is just 10mbps... so, it is ok for me :)
[04:59] <darkxst> lol, I am capped at 120mbps
[04:59] <darkxst> ~14MB/s
[04:59] <everaldo> and I could say that I have a "very fast internet", most people here have only 1~3 mbps
[05:00] <everaldo> darkxst, how much you pay in US$ ?
[05:01] <darkxst> 80AU$
[05:03] <darkxst> and that includes a phone line I dont use
[05:03] <everaldo> here it is $80 (US)
[05:04] <everaldo> but 10mbps
[05:12] <darkxst> oh an I though ours was expensive
[05:12] <darkxst> 200GB quota though
[05:30] <darkxst> everaldo, so back on topic, setup a blueprint
[05:30] <darkxst> I have a few ideas that problably should be documented
[05:31] <everaldo> darkxst, I am reading other blueprints
[05:31] <darkxst> hmm what for? just make one for us!
[05:31] <everaldo> just to understand how it works
[05:31] <everaldo> right now, I am on the tour
[05:32] <darkxst> hmm its just like a wiki page but for planning?
[05:32] <everaldo> don't know, never used it before, that is why I am reading the tour
[05:35] <everaldo> "The project for which this proposal is being made." is mandatory
[05:35] <everaldo> no idea about what project we can use for
[05:36] <jbicha> use Ubuntu as the project
[05:37] <darkxst> you can tag it onto the udr-iso-build project I suppose
[05:37] <darkxst> ugr-iso-build
[05:37] <darkxst> that I made yesterday
[05:37] <darkxst> everaldo, https://launchpad.net/ugr-iso-build
[05:38] <jbicha> and you can use desktop-q-gnomebuntu (or whatever) or other-q- as the prefix
[05:38] <jbicha> oops desktop-r- or other-r-
[05:40] <darkxst> jbicha, you pulling an all nighter?
[05:41] <jbicha> nah, have a good night!
[05:41] <darkxst> well its still day here, so I am fine!
[05:44] <everaldo> r is for  Raring or  Ringtail?
[05:45] <everaldo> normally the short name is the first word
[05:45] <everaldo> but, raring don't looks to be a name
[05:46] <darkxst> r is for both
[05:46] <darkxst> that is how they name them
[05:47] <darkxst> first word is an adjective
[05:47] <darkxst> second word is an animal
[05:47] <everaldo> yes, but the short name will be ringtail right?
[05:47] <darkxst> no raring
[05:48] <darkxst> just like precise and quantal
[05:49] <everaldo> darkxst, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ugr-iso-build/+spec/topic-r-flavor-gnomebuntu
[05:55] <everaldo> back
[05:55] <everaldo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ugr-iso-build/+spec/topic-r-flavor-gnomebuntu
[08:35] <darkxst> everaldo, your blueprint is empty!?
[14:40] <darvin33> hello where can i donwload ubuntu gnome remix 12.10?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> darvin33, look at the topic
[14:41] <smartboyhw> https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10
[14:41] <darvin33> thank you
[17:11] <everaldo> jbicha, is it possible to create a project for gnomebuntu on launchpad or we can still use ugr-iso-build?
[17:17] <jbicha> anyone can make a lp project
[17:18] <everaldo> jbicha, but is a good pratice?
[17:18] <everaldo> create one project for a flavor?
[17:18] <jbicha> but...kubuntu and xubuntu don't have one and I'm not sure we need one
[17:19] <jbicha> we don't need one to use Ubuntu blueprints
[17:19] <everaldo> well, or blueprints are going to ugr-iso-build
[17:19] <jbicha> no, just use Ubuntu please
[17:19] <jbicha> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/tracks
[17:19] <everaldo> ok, moving
[17:20] <everaldo> done
[17:20] <jbicha> skaet dis-recommended desktop so use other-r or community-r as the prefix
[17:21] <jbicha> something like community-r-ubuntugnome-default-apps
[17:22] <everaldo> lubuntu uses topic-raring-flavor-lubuntu
[17:22] <everaldo> and the same for kubuntu and xubuntu
[17:23] <everaldo> jbicha, all others are using topic-r-flavor-(falvor)
[17:24] <jbicha> the first word should be the UDS track (even though we're likely not going to have a UDS session this time)
[17:25] <everaldo> so, we can have another blueprint link to this one
[17:25] <everaldo> like other flavors do
[17:28] <jbicha> oh ok I guess we can have a master blueprint
[17:28] <jbicha> I never really used that feature before
[17:28] <everaldo> yes, this one is the master
[17:28] <everaldo> looks like my research of blueprint yesterday was a good idea ;-)
[17:29] <everaldo> btw, launchpad is like a new world, I just learn tons of things last month
[17:29] <everaldo> and still don't know anything
[18:05] <everaldo> jbicha, what "propose for sprint" mean on blueprints?
[18:20] <jbicha> you can propose the blueprint as a session topic at UDS
[18:23] <everaldo> are we going to propose something?
[18:27] <jbicha> probably not, it's best to have someone present to lead the session and I don't know who that would be
[18:27] <jbicha> we could do a Google+ hangout/IRC meeting instead
[18:28] <everaldo> yes, a hangout could be nice
[20:22] <JDBuntu> is this channel for the remix only, or if we are running gnome-shell on standard ubuntu is it OK to ask questions about that here as well?
[20:24] <Queops> Well I just came here but I believe even the official #gnome channel would be better if it's gnome related
[20:24] <Queops> :)
[20:24] <TheLordOfTime> if its ubuntu related, #ubuntu, for the remix, you could talk here though
[20:28] <JDBuntu> thanks
[20:28] <Queops> sorry i meant even the unofficial*
[20:29] <Queops> lol
[20:34] <darkxst> JDBuntu, if its related to gnome-shell, fine to ask here
[20:36] <JDBuntu> OK thanks
[20:36] <JDBuntu> running ubuntu 12.10 with gnome-shell (as opposed to unity) with GDM as the display manager.  When I login, it shows the default wallpaper for a few seconds before it picks up the user specified wallpaper - is there any way to change that default wallpaper?
[20:36] <JDBuntu> I know not a mission critical type question.
[20:37] <JDBuntu> I also run wally to rotate wallpapers, and it shows that same default wallpaper for a brief instance when changing.  I would prefer to just have a black screen or some other wallaper.
[20:39] <JDBuntu> crap, I'm getting called away from my desk - so if anyone asks any follow up questions, I may not be able to answer right away.  and thank you in advance!
[20:42] <darkxst> JDBuntu, you need to change the system default wallpaper
[20:43] <JDBuntu> how is that performed?
[20:44] <darkxst> /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override
[20:44] <JDBuntu> excellent
[20:44] <JDBuntu> I'll check it out
[20:44] <JDBuntu> thank you
[20:45] <jbicha> well, not that file exactly
[20:45] <JDBuntu> oh
[20:45] <JDBuntu> this section:
[20:45] <JDBuntu> [org.gnome.desktop.background]
[20:45] <JDBuntu> show-desktop-icons=true
[20:45] <JDBuntu> picture-uri='file:///usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png'
[20:45] <JDBuntu> ?
[20:46] <jbicha> yeah, copy the header and the picture-uri to a different file (with a higher number) in that directory
[20:46] <jbicha> otherwise, you'll lose your changes when you get an update to the package that provides that files
[20:47] <jbicha> and then you'll need to run sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[20:47] <JDBuntu> I am not quite clear on what you are suggesting regarding the higher number
[20:47] <JDBuntu> ?
[20:48] <Queops> the file you create starts with a number
[20:49] <Queops> Even though darkxst suggested 10 i bet it can be higher if needed
[20:50] <jbicha> debian and ubuntu stuff use 10_ some flavor stuff uses 20_ , whatever has the higher number wins if two files change the same setting
[20:52] <darkxst> i.e. 30_JDBuntu-settings.gschema.override
[20:52] <JDBuntu> gotcha
[20:53] <Queops> hehe
[20:55] <JDBuntu> I'm going to logout now and test.  thank you!
[20:56] <darkxst> jbicha, I wonder are there really that many people with efi systems, or is everyone just downloading because it was a newer version!
[20:58] <Queops> I'm really impressed with this release
[20:59] <JDBuntu> worked like a charm!  thank you!
[22:33] <darkxst> everaldo, another blueprint for you to link against packageselection, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gnomebuntu-package-management
[22:35] <everaldo> darkxst, done
[22:36] <everaldo> darkxst, you can't do it with your user?
[22:36] <everaldo> (just curious about access control)
[22:39] <darkxst> everaldo, nope I don't get access to the  dependencies option
[22:40] <darkxst> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gnomebuntu-display-manager
[22:40] <everaldo> darkxst, do you know how I can give you and jbicha access?
[22:43] <everaldo> done, linked
[22:43] <darkxst> everaldo, I don't know
[22:44] <darkxst> unless its set by one of the approver/drafter etc fields
[22:47] <everaldo> you are now in "Assignee"
[22:49] <everaldo> nice, we have now Raring on PPA Series
[22:50] <everaldo> and also on our archives
[22:51] <darkxst> archive were copied shortly after Q release
[22:51] <darkxst> however they are still closed (so just a copy of Q packages)
[22:53] <darkxst> everaldo, yeh, I see the dependency buttons now
[22:54] <everaldo> cool
[22:54] <everaldo> unfortunatelly we have slot only for 3 people
[22:57] <darkxst> we could probably use a team?
[22:58] <everaldo> maybe
[22:58] <everaldo> yes, we can