[00:17] jbicha, can you upload bug 1064354 for me? [00:17] Launchpad bug 1064354 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "When running lightDM user locking doesnt work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064354 [00:31] darkxst: done, thanks [00:35] jbicha, thanks [01:29] jbicha, seems the apport script is not picking up 'enabled-extensions' key [02:54] darkxst: ok, my theory is that apport has trouble with schemas that have subfolders, it failed with org.gnome.anjuta too [02:56] hmm, no we are calling attach_gsettings_schema(report, 'org.gnome.desktop.interface') [02:57] extension ket is in org.gnome.shell [02:57] it also doesn't like org.gnome.settings-daemon but that's a pretty big tree [02:58] I've just been editing /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_gnome-shell.py directly and then running ubuntu-bug gnome-shell to see if it catches changed schemas [02:59] anyway having the dm session logs is gold! [02:59] if you know python, you can poke around lp:apport if that helps [03:00] yeh will have a look tonight [03:14] it does seem to be rather broken [03:15] not sure this does anything either? "attach_gsettings_package(report, 'gnome-shell-common')" [03:16] darkxst: I think that works, but looking at the apport code, we might as well just tell it what schema we actually want [03:16] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/hookutils.py#L571 [03:17] so, org.gnome.shell [03:18] lol, really why arent they using gi? [03:21] anyway, line 598 looks broken [03:22] but that doesnt explain why we can't get the keys in the specified schema [03:22] i.e. org.gnome.shell returns nothing [03:23] if it hits an exception, it wouldn't give us any output, right? [03:24] or if line 598 is broken, I think we wouldn't get output either [03:24] line 598 is broken in that it wont check sub-folders [03:26] I wonder if using dconf dump would be a better idea than gsettings list-recursively [03:26] oh good, my theory was right :) [03:26] trial and error works eventually [03:28] well you should be able to access the schemas directly with gobject introspection [03:28] so not sure why they are spawning command line utils [03:30] it is actually not straightforward to get defaults (that I have found), that's why they use the XDG_CONFIG_HOME hack [03:33] if you find any easy way though I'd love to know though (after digging through the gsettings code a bit it didn't seem like you could get at it without first reseting the key, which can cause issues) [03:35] it must be available [03:35] but I can't really look now [03:37] not through the API anyway [03:55] * everaldo just see now that our build script is much better/easy than live-build [03:58] everaldo: :) [04:00] it could be that we don't know what we're doing, but our way is a bit more documented [04:17] jbicha, you have seen cjwatson's build scripts right? [04:18] darkxst, the cjwatson's instructions just create squashfs, this is the easy part [04:19] no his other scripts that build the isos [04:19] oh [04:19] lots and lots of bash code [04:19] darkxst, where? [04:19] uh, this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu [04:19] on his launchpad page maybe [04:21] no not that [04:21] http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ [04:21] http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ [04:21] ah jbicha beat me! [04:22] yeah, part of the fun was trying to figure out where all the branches hide [04:23] oh, it is not possible that this stuff is used to build iso [04:23] I believe a few pieces are restricted to the Canonical release team members as they include the publishing credentials [04:23] we have just two scripts and they are very easy to understand [04:24] everaldo: we skip the hard steps [04:24] that part where we just use an already existing Ubuntu iso [04:25] yes, but I will check my old scripts that create all from scratch [04:25] jbicha, do we need to use live-build to be oficial? [04:26] everaldo: nope, this is what Lubuntu used https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-tools [04:26] cjwatson doesn't really expect any one else to duplicate exactly what they do [04:27] we can use this lubuntu script as base [04:28] will work on that, the live-build stuff is just too much [04:29] everaldo, lubuntu script looks quite similar to what we have already [04:29] yes, I see [04:29] and there's no need, our script does most of what we need [04:29] which for now, works fine [04:29] we just need to have a skel folder with contents of cd/dvd/iso [04:29] and saves a lot of effort! [04:29] we do? extract-cd [04:30] except its stolen from the ubuntu iso :) [04:30] we could use an extra publish function, to make the md5sums, .torrent's and .manifest's [04:31] jbicha, that would be easy [04:31] and stealing from the latest iso is good as it ensures that we get the latest .debs and wubi [04:32] yeh all good, until they sneak in last minute changes to secure boot which burnt us! [04:38] but in general stealing from ubuntu is good. After all we are not that much different (compared to the other derivatives) [04:38] or perhaps, borrowing is a nicer word! [04:38] :) [04:40] jbicha, when do the R archives open? after UDS? [04:42] hehe, we will have a stable distro for just two weeks and start again with a devel distro [04:42] everaldo, stable is too boring ;) [04:47] darkxst: I don't rememember the archives ever taking this long to open; however cjwatson is setting up some magic where all uploads will go to -proposed first and then automatically migrate to the regular archives once they've built on all architectures [04:48] I expect the archives to open before uds though [04:48] pitti traditionally upgrades his laptop to the development release on the last day of UDS (there's a local archive mirror there so it's faster than doing it at home) [04:50] jbicha, where we will discuss changes for 13.04 ? Wiki? Etherpad? [04:53] probably the mailing list or blueprints.launchpad.net, but you can try something else if you like [04:55] * everaldo reading about blueprints [04:57] lol, ok, my free mirror is really slow [04:57] but actually have some really fast mirrors here [04:58] like ~100mbps [04:58] well, my internet is just 10mbps... so, it is ok for me :) [04:59] lol, I am capped at 120mbps [04:59] ~14MB/s [04:59] and I could say that I have a "very fast internet", most people here have only 1~3 mbps [05:00] darkxst, how much you pay in US$ ? [05:01] 80AU$ [05:03] and that includes a phone line I dont use [05:03] here it is $80 (US) [05:04] but 10mbps [05:12] oh an I though ours was expensive [05:12] 200GB quota though [05:30] everaldo, so back on topic, setup a blueprint [05:30] I have a few ideas that problably should be documented [05:31] darkxst, I am reading other blueprints [05:31] hmm what for? just make one for us! [05:31] just to understand how it works [05:31] right now, I am on the tour [05:32] hmm its just like a wiki page but for planning? [05:32] don't know, never used it before, that is why I am reading the tour [05:35] "The project for which this proposal is being made." is mandatory [05:35] no idea about what project we can use for [05:36] use Ubuntu as the project [05:37] you can tag it onto the udr-iso-build project I suppose [05:37] ugr-iso-build [05:37] that I made yesterday [05:37] everaldo, https://launchpad.net/ugr-iso-build [05:38] and you can use desktop-q-gnomebuntu (or whatever) or other-q- as the prefix [05:38] oops desktop-r- or other-r- [05:40] jbicha, you pulling an all nighter? [05:41] nah, have a good night! [05:41] well its still day here, so I am fine! [05:44] r is for Raring or Ringtail? [05:45] normally the short name is the first word [05:45] but, raring don't looks to be a name [05:46] r is for both [05:46] that is how they name them [05:47] first word is an adjective [05:47] second word is an animal [05:47] yes, but the short name will be ringtail right? [05:47] no raring [05:48] just like precise and quantal [05:49] darkxst, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ugr-iso-build/+spec/topic-r-flavor-gnomebuntu [05:55] back [05:55] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ugr-iso-build/+spec/topic-r-flavor-gnomebuntu [08:35] everaldo, your blueprint is empty!? [14:40] hello where can i donwload ubuntu gnome remix 12.10? [14:40] darvin33, look at the topic [14:41] https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 [14:41] thank you [17:11] jbicha, is it possible to create a project for gnomebuntu on launchpad or we can still use ugr-iso-build? [17:17] anyone can make a lp project [17:18] jbicha, but is a good pratice? [17:18] create one project for a flavor? [17:18] but...kubuntu and xubuntu don't have one and I'm not sure we need one [17:19] we don't need one to use Ubuntu blueprints [17:19] well, or blueprints are going to ugr-iso-build [17:19] no, just use Ubuntu please [17:19] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/tracks [17:19] ok, moving [17:20] done [17:20] skaet dis-recommended desktop so use other-r or community-r as the prefix [17:21] something like community-r-ubuntugnome-default-apps [17:22] lubuntu uses topic-raring-flavor-lubuntu [17:22] and the same for kubuntu and xubuntu [17:23] jbicha, all others are using topic-r-flavor-(falvor) [17:24] the first word should be the UDS track (even though we're likely not going to have a UDS session this time) [17:25] so, we can have another blueprint link to this one [17:25] like other flavors do [17:28] oh ok I guess we can have a master blueprint [17:28] I never really used that feature before [17:28] yes, this one is the master [17:28] looks like my research of blueprint yesterday was a good idea ;-) [17:29] btw, launchpad is like a new world, I just learn tons of things last month [17:29] and still don't know anything [18:05] jbicha, what "propose for sprint" mean on blueprints? [18:20] you can propose the blueprint as a session topic at UDS [18:23] are we going to propose something? [18:27] probably not, it's best to have someone present to lead the session and I don't know who that would be [18:27] we could do a Google+ hangout/IRC meeting instead [18:28] yes, a hangout could be nice [20:22] is this channel for the remix only, or if we are running gnome-shell on standard ubuntu is it OK to ask questions about that here as well? [20:24] Well I just came here but I believe even the official #gnome channel would be better if it's gnome related [20:24] :) [20:24] if its ubuntu related, #ubuntu, for the remix, you could talk here though [20:28] thanks [20:28] sorry i meant even the unofficial* [20:29] lol [20:34] JDBuntu, if its related to gnome-shell, fine to ask here [20:36] OK thanks [20:36] running ubuntu 12.10 with gnome-shell (as opposed to unity) with GDM as the display manager. When I login, it shows the default wallpaper for a few seconds before it picks up the user specified wallpaper - is there any way to change that default wallpaper? [20:36] I know not a mission critical type question. [20:37] I also run wally to rotate wallpapers, and it shows that same default wallpaper for a brief instance when changing. I would prefer to just have a black screen or some other wallaper. [20:39] crap, I'm getting called away from my desk - so if anyone asks any follow up questions, I may not be able to answer right away. and thank you in advance! [20:42] JDBuntu, you need to change the system default wallpaper [20:43] how is that performed? [20:44] /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override [20:44] excellent [20:44] I'll check it out [20:44] thank you [20:45] well, not that file exactly [20:45] oh [20:45] this section: [20:45] [org.gnome.desktop.background] [20:45] show-desktop-icons=true [20:45] picture-uri='file:///usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png' [20:45] ? [20:46] yeah, copy the header and the picture-uri to a different file (with a higher number) in that directory [20:46] otherwise, you'll lose your changes when you get an update to the package that provides that files [20:47] and then you'll need to run sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ [20:47] I am not quite clear on what you are suggesting regarding the higher number [20:47] ? [20:48] the file you create starts with a number [20:49] Even though darkxst suggested 10 i bet it can be higher if needed [20:50] debian and ubuntu stuff use 10_ some flavor stuff uses 20_ , whatever has the higher number wins if two files change the same setting [20:52] i.e. 30_JDBuntu-settings.gschema.override [20:52] gotcha [20:53] hehe [20:55] I'm going to logout now and test. thank you! [20:56] jbicha, I wonder are there really that many people with efi systems, or is everyone just downloading because it was a newer version! [20:58] I'm really impressed with this release [20:59] worked like a charm! thank you! [22:33] everaldo, another blueprint for you to link against packageselection, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gnomebuntu-package-management [22:35] darkxst, done [22:36] darkxst, you can't do it with your user? [22:36] (just curious about access control) [22:39] everaldo, nope I don't get access to the dependencies option [22:40] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gnomebuntu-display-manager [22:40] darkxst, do you know how I can give you and jbicha access? [22:43] done, linked [22:43] everaldo, I don't know [22:44] unless its set by one of the approver/drafter etc fields [22:47] you are now in "Assignee" [22:49] nice, we have now Raring on PPA Series [22:50] and also on our archives [22:51] archive were copied shortly after Q release [22:51] however they are still closed (so just a copy of Q packages) [22:53] everaldo, yeh, I see the dependency buttons now [22:54] cool [22:54] unfortunatelly we have slot only for 3 people [22:57] we could probably use a team? [22:58] maybe [22:58] yes, we can