[00:02] Hi hallo is anybody alive around here? === SmilyBorg_h is now known as SmilyBorg [04:53] morning superfly and others [05:17] * Kilos got a story to tell [05:18] tried to configure nvidia-config with nvidia-current installed [05:19] screen went down to 640x480 again and couldnt get it back up [05:19] purged nvidia-current--no change [05:20] installed nvidia prop driver 173 which was the recommended one and it configured and everything back to normal and pc seems a bit faster [05:22] was about to clean install again like last 2 times i tried to do nvidia-config [05:22] so , happiness is not needing to [05:26] pragtig Kilos! [05:26] goeie more [05:27] môre inetpro [05:27] jy is lekker vroeg [05:27] bed nat gemaak? [05:37] canonical has a plan. after reading up on the improvements in 12.10, one doesnt want to stay on 12.04 anymore [05:39] Kilos: there's method in the madness? [05:40] lol [05:40] obviously! [05:40] yeah [05:40] they want us to grow along with them [05:41] if it wasnt for 11.04 and 11.10 i would have [05:52] lo Ludo [06:02] morning Tonberry [06:02] hallo [06:04] hiya Kilos, Tonberry, inetpro === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:18] what kinda terminals are UXTerm and XTerm? [06:19] morning SmilyBorg [06:19] Hey there Kilos [06:20] Kilos: older versions of Gnome Terminal and Konsole [06:20] morning SmilyBorg [06:20] hey Superfly [06:21] when i type term in dash it shows them too. does one use them for special purposes ? [06:21] or are they basically the same thing? [06:22] Kilos: basically the same thing [06:22] ty superfly [06:23] Kilos: I've used them on other desktop environments, but they don't have as many features as Konsole [06:23] aha ty sir [06:29] morning magtie [06:29] welcome to ubuntu-za [06:29] ons praat die taal ook hier [06:30] nice to see another lady joining [06:32] Hi Kilos & everyone [06:32] I'm back after about 5 years - practically brand new! [06:33] magtie: I was going to say your nick looked somewhat familiar [06:33] if you need help magtie just state what you need and someone will help you as soon as they get a break [06:33] wow welcome back then [06:33] magtie: wb [06:33] * inetpro remembers seeing magtie here before [06:34] thanks I am not yet into stupid questions yet.... [06:34] haha thats my field [06:36] got my irc working last night & was amazed to find no one here - then I realized its 2 in the morning [06:36] 'Normal' people were sleeping. [06:37] lol [06:37] That would be me. :-P [06:37] even some of us not so normal people were sleeping too. Welcome magtie [06:42] hiya maiatoday [06:43] hi Kilos [06:59] morning [07:01] hi Squirm [07:32] Whoot! It's only Wednesday [07:32] hi Vince-0 [07:32] Hey Kilos [07:39] ohi Vince-0 [07:40] magtie, most of us werent here 5 years ago. tell us about yourself [07:41] what you do? wwhere you are etc [07:41] Maaz, coffee on [07:41] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:41] Maaz, coffee for all [07:41] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [07:42] cold here in PTA today [07:45] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [07:45] Maaz, thanks man [07:45] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [07:49] Maaz, make me a sandwich and deliver to La Lucia office park [07:49] Vince-0: Excuse me? [07:49] Maaz, you heard me now get in that kitchen [07:49] Vince-0: Excuse me? [07:49] hehe [07:49] ha [07:50] Maaz, are you female? [07:50] Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot [07:50] Maaz, I kid, I kid [07:50] Vince-0: Sorry... [07:50] lol [08:03] Kilos I am working for the SACAA keeping license records & producing ATC Licenses on MS Access [08:04] otherwise I'm on leave & playing on Ubuntu [08:04] where? [08:04] city wise i me [08:04] Civil Aviation Authority, Midrand [08:04] mean [08:05] I live in Pretoria' [08:05] ah me too. there is a release party this weekend [08:06] Ya in Centurion - am thinking about it [08:07] us valies are becoming more at last [08:08] lotsa cape peeps here [08:09] I just looked at the new office files & it looks very good [08:10] anybody her who knows everything about the database? [08:12] looks like I should be able to import Access into LibreOfficeBase [08:17] do you write sql queries to do the things you do? [08:17] or do you use access's forms [08:42] Kerbero: I do use queries & macros & code [08:44] At the moment I will only be interested in importing the tables [08:44] I am still trying to simply create a table [08:46] i would go with something decent like mysql or postgresql [08:46] for mysql you get phpmyadmin which is a nice webfrontend to manage it [08:46] but you'll have to code sql queries for the most things [08:47] or python/php scripts that will basically function as macros that will run the queries [08:47] Hay, that might really be better as Access is based on sql [08:48] just export all your data to .csv files [08:48] and import it to mysql with phpmyadmin [08:49] Kerbero: thanks I will definitely look into it [08:56] hi [08:56] again [08:56] hehe [09:26] Kilos: the problem is not just for people that download.... [09:26] Kilos: wrt space [09:27] Kilos: it's actually about how much bandwidth our mirrors use [09:27] oh ty drussell was just an idea [09:27] Kilos: each time the size increases, we have major conversations with the mirrors that are distributing the iso files [09:27] hows things there? [09:28] Kilos: because they're big files, mirrors are happier with smaller files/updates [09:28] Kilos: good thanks :o) [09:28] and what about on the official dvd's drussell [09:29] Kilos: same deal [09:29] ah ty for coming back to me [09:29] see inetpro it works on #ubuntu-za too [09:29] we got fingers in lotsa pies [09:31] sometimes even the crash kid has a comment or two [09:31] just drubin be scarce [09:31] and corrie is a write off here it seems [09:32] magespawn, are you lurking or is this your quassel core lurking for you [09:42] good morning [09:42] Maaz: coffee on [09:42] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [09:46] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [10:10] my magtie all gone [10:14] * Kilos cries. maverick drive has crashed [10:14] weeee [10:16] hrm [10:17] heh, comes to a point in every consultants life where he has to decide, stay private and independant, or expand the business drastically and throw caution to the wind [10:17] ugh, I dont know what to do [10:17] throw caution to the wind [10:18] you can alsways get a job again if things dont work out [10:18] always [10:19] start worrying when you have to ride around in a 1975 beetle [10:19] hmmm [10:19] hi zeref [10:19] hi zeref [10:19] o0o0 [10:19] hi Kilos [10:20] anybody used pygame [10:24] heh kilos oh, the money isnt the issue [10:24] its the independance [10:24] I have the investment money I need to do this, with a lot of change to spare, but ugh [10:24] independance is good if you can [10:25] the question is, do I really need to make more money :P [10:25] yes you do if tire prices bother you [10:25] because I'm doing pretty damn well for myself right now, and Im asking myself, what am I really chasing expanding, if its money, then it makes no sense, if its building a legacy, that makes more sense [10:26] heh kilos, you don't get to have the kinda cash Ive made without worrying about the small things and avoiding paying insane prices for things :p [10:26] legacy is good. you might have kids to leave it too one day [10:26] hehe im teasing you man [10:27] lol dont curse me saying things like that :p [10:27] kids would really screw up my life [10:27] at the moment yes but later [10:28] when its time to die and theres no one to leave anything to you will wonder what was is all about [10:28] rather die happy [10:28] kids are a pain until you have your own. ask the fly and pro [10:29] heh, I gotta find someone worthy of having kids with first :p [10:29] then they a bigger pain till you my age then you wish you had more and spent more time with them [10:30] i think expand but go it gradually [10:30] or buy out other companies [10:38] kilos well, thats part of what Im thinking [10:38] thinking about buying out the consultancy/networking division of another company [10:38] which would help eliminate part of my competition, give me more staff members and get my hands on their client base [10:38] good just remember then theres more responsibility [10:39] heh yes of course, its not something I'd do likely anyway, because a buyout like that costs *huge* amounts of money [10:39] and sometimes peeps that just attend for the pay at month end [10:39] and I'd have to leverage the buyout [10:39] heh, oh, I'd be very careful who I bought, it would be someone who had staff I knew I could trust [10:39] at the moment you only got yourself to trust [10:40] dont rush into anything but give it a good gander from all angles [10:40] might be worthwhile [11:08] hrm, to buy a 60" tv or not :p [11:17] Symmetria: you remind me of this fellow: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg :) [11:27] heh [11:27] Im thinking actually a 51" samsung e8000 [11:27] looks nice [11:48] you havent got a tv? [11:49] hi charlvn [12:04] wbb [13:31] hmm... [13:31] * inetpro wonders what KilosM and magtie have in common [13:31] wat hmmm jy boetie [13:31] hehe [13:32] both joining at the same time [13:32] wb KilosM, magtie [13:32] ty goosie [13:32] i dunno what was wrong with my maverick drive [13:32] put in old pc and it boots fine [13:32] KilosM: check the logs [13:33] /var/log/syslog [13:33] on other pc the bios said not bootdrive found [13:34] sudo: /var/log/syslog: command not found [13:35] maybe my ide cables getting tired of in and aout all the time [13:35] bios settings correct? [13:36] it worked yesterday till the power cut nlsthzn hi there [13:36] wouldnt boot this morning [13:36] please install boot media [13:36] Hi uncle KilosM ... odd, something got hurt, PC boots from another drive? [13:36] weird [13:37] yeah i have 12.01 on a 6g drive as well here [13:37] there i mean [13:37] maybe drive and cable pulling an apartheid stunt on me [13:40] im very happy though. got a 40g partition on here that has everything saved on it [13:45] * KilosM loves maverick [13:45] breaking up is hard to do [14:19] KilosM: since when did you learn about a log file being a command? [14:20] thats what it told me man [14:20] ai [14:20] said i have permission so ran with sudo [14:20] you look at a log file with less [14:20] less /var/log/syslog [14:20] i ran it as you gave it and it said i dont have permission [14:21] I was just to lazy to give that to you like that [14:21] oh less [14:21] eish [14:21] ou man [14:21] how must i smell that [14:21] or [14:21] tail -100 /var/log/syslog [14:21] to see the last 100 lines [14:21] oh ya i member tail [14:22] or head to view the top [14:23] how can it show that info if the bios couldnt see the drive [14:23] ? [14:25] KilosM: no it won't [14:26] but maybe it will give a clue from prior sessions [14:26] ai [14:26] whew [14:26] bios is outside the control of the OS [14:26] the drive is working mine on this pc [14:26] like nothing ever happened [14:26] will invetigate the ide cable [14:27] investigate as well [14:29] maybe just maybe ill install 12.04 but not delete home partition [14:32] 12.04 is good [14:32] * nlsthzn normally opens all files to view in nano... just in case editing my be needed :p [14:33] * nlsthzn recently learned about the -w option that apparently will stop config files from being nuked using nano... [14:35] lol [14:43] :) I also learned about the different ways of removing software using apt-get... so now I have re-installed gwibber and I don't have to set it up again... Thanks to Ubuntu Unleashed 12.04 edition :p [14:52] O_O [14:56] phew hectic day [14:56] Maaz: coffee on [14:56] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [14:57] need my caffiene fix! [15:00] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [15:01] Maaz: thanks [15:01] charlvn: No problem [15:01] how's it going with the twitter api modifications to ibid? [15:05] charlvn: hi [15:06] hi inetpro [15:06] * inetpro thought that charlvn would build the fix for ibid [15:06] lol [15:06] how did i automatically volunteer :) [15:06] quite frankly, i probably would have done it, if i still used twitter ;) [15:06] hmm... [15:06] stopped using twitter entirely about 18 months ago after gradually tiring of it [15:08] that set aside, i am genuinely looking for a winter project to work on [15:08] although, i would be insistent that it is completely based on open source / standards-based technologies [15:10] charlvn: what's a winter project? Does that mean like after hours? [15:10] yeah an open source project to work on in my free time [15:10] in europe it's quite cold in the winter so we don't go out much :) [15:10] * superfly does that all the time [15:11] most of the good hacking happens in the winter, like the chaos communication congress in hamburg [15:12] the tickets are not cheap though, 100 to 120 euro per person :/ [15:13] superfly has a permanent winter project [15:14] children are a long term, high investment project :) [15:14] *having children is [15:15] but it pays off! [15:21] home time, bbl [15:22] superfly: I don't think he got that [15:23] inetpro: not at all. [15:23] inetpro: not unexpected [15:23] :-) [15:25] i've found that people who think they are awesome struggle to comprehend that there are people out there that are even more awesome [15:26] lol [15:26] ha ha ha [15:26] disclaimer: i am not awesome, so I could be wrong. [15:27] superfly: you are way to humble to be awesome [15:28] inetpro: thank you (I think) [15:29] phew, my station next, can't wait to get off this hot train [15:30] * inetpro not looking forward to another evening without power at home [15:31] ai wassup inetpro [15:31] KilosM: fire supply damaged 132kv conductor near Klerksoord, wherever that may be [15:31] wheres the power [15:31] far from you [15:31] I noticed a few dips at 14:25 [15:32] near jowies [15:32] and wife called shortly after [15:32] eish [15:32] charge you fones battery before you go home [15:33] phone is fine for now, didn't use it much today [15:36] tweet by CityTshwane at 4:42: It is estimated that the supply will be stored by midnight. [15:36] sjoe [15:36] they tweet too [15:37] yep, they starting to wake up [15:37] and then... ... Bon Accord line; Pretoria North; Wolmer; SP line; Theresa Park; Tileba & parts of BVN & BVS lines. [15:37] ai [15:38] * inetpro would have tweeted if I had battery power on me phone on Saturday [15:41] lol wtf [15:41] tv's have come a LONG way since the days of old crt screens [15:41] I turned on my new tv, the first thing it did was get a DHCP address off the wireless and start downloading a firmware update [15:41] :p [15:43] Symmetria: nice! What did you get? [15:44] samsung E8000 [15:45] what's that, series 5? [15:49] no, its a series 8 [15:49] their top of the line [15:55] Symmetria: price? [15:58] heh, you dont wanna know :p [16:04] KilosM: ;) [16:04] hi drubin hows things [16:04] Good and you? [16:05] good ty [16:05] why you neglect us so [16:06] justy busy i guess [16:06] things change... [16:06] whew [16:15] hiya drubin! [16:17] wb drubin [16:21] eish gone again [16:22] superfly: :) thanks [16:23] inetpro: I never went any where [16:23] lol [16:23] KilosM: ^^ [16:23] oh you grayed out so looks like you away [16:24] you cheating [16:54] good evening [17:24] good evening [17:24] just saw a terrible prank: http://youtu.be/NeXMxuNNlE8 [17:47] hiya charly [18:00] Does anyone here actually use Unity? [18:00] I mean like on a daily basis? [18:02] There are *so* many rendering bugs. [18:02] Let me try take a screenshot. [18:05] tumbleweed: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k67pe&s=6 (see top left). [18:06] im using it and kde Hodgestar [18:06] oh 12.10 [18:06] not yet [18:06] hi KilosM [18:07] I've yet to encounter a version of Unity that doesn't die and crash and screw up the screen on a regular basis. :) [18:07] Maybe it's just me. :) [18:07] Hodgestar: i use a VM at work which at this point is running only unity [18:07] i get a few problems but not that many in 12.10 [18:07] VM hardly counts (unless you actually use the VM UI constantly, which seems like a weird thing to do). [18:07] but previously i had a lot of problems, i still sometimes get bad performance though [18:07] lol [18:08] I'm on 12.10. [18:08] Hodgestar: file a bug [18:08] my 12.04 is running well [18:08] Hodgestar: i use a VM a large portion of the day so i think it very much counts [18:08] tumbleweed: I don't have time to file and track this many bugs. [18:08] as a desktop i mean, full gui mode [18:08] Hodgestar: :) [18:08] tumbleweed: I need to file, like, 30. [18:08] good that you aren't a fire-and-forget bug-report. I fear that I am [18:09] *bug-reporter [18:09] Well, I would sort of like them to go somewhere. :) [18:09] Also, I'm not really sure where in the rendering chain to file the bug against. [18:09] file against unity, they'll reassign as appropriate [18:09] Although having the "Type your command" window stuck permanently over everything seems likely to be unity itself. :) [18:10] it's probably better to file too many reports than not to file any reports at all, if nobody files reports then the issues don't get fixed [18:10] as a developer myself i would rather get too many reports than too little [18:10] problem is, most people don't take the time to report issues [18:11] on the other hand, hundreds of open reports, where the reporter has long since vanished and doesn't use the app any more, suck [18:11] but yes, err on the side of filing [18:11] that is also true, but imho, still the lesser of two evils [18:11] and besides, issues are easy enough to close if they can't be reproduced [18:11] Hodgestar: there's certanily nothing I can do, with respect to embarrassing people / whatever, without a bug number [18:11] charlvn: easy enough, but practically, one doesn't like to [18:12] * Hodgestar tries Gnome shell. [18:12] tumbleweed: maybe i'm just too easy on these things but if i can't reproduce a bug and i don't get replies from the reporter i close bugs quite easily [18:12] Bug reports are only really useful if there are few existing bug reports or if they pin point the problem. [18:13] Piles of bug reports saying "something broken and I'm not quite sure what" aren't particularly useful. [18:13] that's true but if you don't even know there is a problem you can't go to search for them either [18:13] Anyway, I can't really wait 3 months. :) [18:13] well not like there is any shortage of desktop environments for linux :) [18:14] Hehe. Yes. [18:15] Although cinnamon broke on me too. [18:15] haven't used it for too long, but i find gnome3 to be rather buggy too [18:15] i constantly get error messages for various random things i don't understand [18:15] omfg [18:15] has anyone actually used a 3d large screen tv [18:16] with 3d glasses [18:16] I have Awesome as a fallback but I'm trying to get out of the miminum-functionality window manager closet. [18:16] kde4 seems to have stabilised a lot though [18:16] Symmetria: Yes. It was okay. :) [18:16] Hodgestar thats a bit... it screws with your head :P [18:16] I was testing it with a bluray [18:16] of ice age [18:16] heh on my new toy :p [18:16] charlvn: I haven't tried the kde window manager recently. [18:16] also tested putting the tv into 2d -> 3d conversion mode [18:17] and lol, the football looks kinda cool [18:17] but your brain takes a while to get used to it [18:17] Back shortly. [18:18] yeah, personally i am not a big fan of 3d, i have seen a bunch of 3d movies in the theater but never on a tv [18:18] i will just stick to 2d for now :) [18:18] charlvn lol, I just had to test it :P [18:18] Im thinking 3D porn would be interesting hahahahahah [18:19] oh no :D [18:19] not even going there [18:19] they gave me 3 free 3d blurays with my tv [18:19] ice age thor and captain america [18:20] ooh, captain america... :D [18:20]