| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| ailo | knome: I'll be in around from Sunday to Saturday, so I'll gladly join in on whatever Friday activities you had planned | 16:25 |
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| knome | ailo, pleia2 wants to go to the zoo, and that works for me, as long as the weather isn't totally sucky | 16:26 |
| knome | ailo, i'm leaving friday night myself, so some restrictions on stuff | 16:26 |
| pleia2 | elephants! | 16:27 |
| ailo | knome: I've never been there, so that might be fun. -- Aha :) | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | I didn't see any in ghana, only monkeys (and goats and chickens...) | 16:27 |
| knome | pleia2, oh hi! | 16:27 |
| * pleia2 checks on flights | 16:28 | |
| knome | pleia2, btw, we're having lunch with stgraber and highvoltage some day | 16:28 |
| pleia2 | yay :D | 16:28 |
| knome | just had stgraber in PM | 16:28 |
| knome | maybe ailo should join us for the "flavor" lunch ;) | 16:29 |
| pleia2 | knome: you wanted to chat before UDS, I'm thinking I can do that some time on friday | 16:29 |
| pleia2 | I don't know when, my sleep schedule will be a mess | 16:30 |
| knome | pleia2, well i was thinking about the schedules generally | 16:30 |
| ailo | knome: Sure, why not? As long as they have a vegetarian flavors too | 16:30 |
| knome | ailo, i'm sure they do, that's the canonical offered lunch :) | 16:30 |
| knome | pleia2, and xubuntu sessions | 16:30 |
| knome | pleia2, is there some sessions where you want to be around? | 16:30 |
| knome | pleia2, if you could list me those, i could schedule the xubuntu sessions somewhere | 16:31 |
| pleia2 | I need to look at the schedule... | 16:31 |
| knome | pleia2, yeah, and the thing is that it's constantly evolving | 16:31 |
| pleia2 | but honestly the schedule is crazy and changes every 5 minutes even during uds | 16:31 |
| knome | pleia2, but i'll make sure i'll avoid at least the ubuntu women sessions | 16:31 |
| pleia2 | yeah, the UW session should be on thursday | 16:31 |
| knome | pleia2, of course... but i'm thinking we should schedule 2-3 xubuntu sessions just to have some space to run them on | 16:32 |
| knome | (if we don't schedule, there might not be any rooms available) | 16:32 |
| pleia2 | suppose I should go t othe leadership summit tuesday afternoon | 16:32 |
| pleia2 | monday morning looks boring | 16:33 |
| knome | leadership mini-summit? | 16:33 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:33 |
| pleia2 | I need to talk dholbach into coming out of it with a document or something, it's been all echo-chamber at past UDSes and that makes me grumpy | 16:34 |
| knome | qa community planning! | 16:34 |
| knome | that's relatively interesting, and would be good to get to know balloons personally | 16:34 |
| pleia2 | ah yeah, we should go to that | 16:34 |
| knome | pleia2, so there will be no free time for you tomorrow? | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | it might move though, it's against another QA session | 16:35 |
| knome | yeah, i know | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | I'm on an airplane mostly | 16:35 |
| knome | i should still register to it in launchpad | 16:35 |
| knome | are you going to readjust your sleeping rhythm meanwhile or just go with the EU timezones? | 16:35 |
| knome | MEH I SAY | 16:36 |
| knome | why isn't there no links to the LP blueprints from the uds schedule | 16:36 |
| knome | hard to register yourself to the sessions | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | the messed up sleeping from the planes is making planning such things impossible | 16:36 |
| knome | oh, stars! | 16:36 |
| knome | heh | 16:36 |
| knome | oh cool | 16:37 |
| pleia2 | so I fly out in 4 hours, I get home around midnight UTC | 16:37 |
| pleia2 | thursday night/friday morning, 4PM local time in california | 16:37 |
| pleia2 | it's a long ride home | 16:38 |
| knome | "testing in cadence" 16UTC monday? | 16:38 |
| knome | "brainstorming how future releases can be improved" 9UTC tuesday? | 16:39 |
| knome | "qa testing campaigns" 10UTC tuesday? | 16:39 |
| knome | "qa weather report" 12UTC tuesday? | 16:40 |
| knome | whole wednesday looks really boring | 16:43 |
| knome | "making community very obvious on the desktop" 10UTC wed | 16:44 |
| knome | or actually, CET | 16:44 |
| knome | is that different? | 16:44 |
| knome | whatever | 16:44 |
| pleia2 | :) | 16:45 |
| pleia2 | I just let the schedule land where it is, over-planning for UDS is just headachey | 16:46 |
| pleia2 | subscribe to ones you want, it'll shuffle out somewhat reasonably | 16:46 |
| pleia2 | and if there is a really serious conflict you can always talk to track leads, or make pleia2 go to a session and take notes :P | 16:46 |
| knome | lol | 16:47 |
| knome | i'm thinking that if we don't have really differing interests, it might benefit that we both go | 16:47 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:47 |
| knome | i'm thinking i could attend the community roundtables on the mornings | 16:47 |
| pleia2 | that's what I tend to do | 16:48 |
| apm1 | why did you guys ship the 3.5 kernel in 12.10 ? any specific reason other than user's demand for newer hardware compatibility ? | 17:05 |
| knome | apm1, because ubuntu ships that. | 17:05 |
| knome | apm1, you got to remember not all decisions are done by the xubuntu team | 17:05 |
| apm1 | knome, so you mindlessly follow ubuntu , that makes me wonder if you guys are really a different distro from ubuntu or you are just a spin off ? | 17:06 |
| knome | apm1, we are a spin off in a way; not following ubuntu in eg. kernel choices would mean massive amounts of work | 17:07 |
| knome | apm1, workforce is welcome | 17:07 |
| apm1 | knome, so what you guys actually do is "take a ubuntu minimal and stick our own tweaked light-dm and xfce " and install some light end user apps ? | 17:09 |
| knome | apm1, something like that. | 17:09 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument has more details ;) | 17:09 |
| pleia2 | but we are very clearly Ubuntu-based, we're just a "flavor" of Ubuntu | 17:10 |
| knome | yes, that's the idea | 17:10 |
| knome | :) | 17:10 |
| pleia2 | (whether that means we're a different distro or not depends on how you define distro) | 17:10 |
| apm1 | pleia2, depending on ubuntu is depending on canonical , depending on canonical = depending on a money centric co-orporation , i.e destroying the design philosophy of free software :( | 17:13 |
| knome | apm1, if you want to see it as that, then ok. | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | your logic is very strange :) | 17:13 |
| apm1 | honestly the way bodhi linux is going , i would love to see xubuntu doing that :) | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | I work for a company and am paid for my debian work, so I guess I destroy it too | 17:14 |
| knome | apm1, why not just use bodhi linux, if they're doing it right? | 17:14 |
| knome | pleia2, traitor!! | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 17:14 |
| knome | we've never said we don't depend on ubuntu, or that we're trying to be something completely different | 17:15 |
| knome | the xubuntu website starts with the words: Xubuntu is a community‑developed, Ubuntu‑based ... | 17:15 |
| apm1 | pleia2, no no earning money is not destroying free software but , implimanting features that ubuntu puts up to please more customers which subsequently bloats the distro that is destroying :( | 17:16 |
| * drc checks the clock to see if it's troll feeding time...nope...gets out the whip, chair and Indiana Jone's hat. | 17:16 | |
| pleia2 | drc: good point | 17:16 |
| knome | apm1, ubuntu isn't directly putting anything to xubuntu that makes them money. | 17:16 |
| knome | but drc and pleia2 are probably right. | 17:17 |
| * apm1 tells drc he is not trolling , and is willing to have an intellectual discussion | 17:17 | |
| knome | apm1, what has ubuntu/canonical put in xubuntu that makes them money? | 17:17 |
| knome | apm1, or what bloats the system? | 17:17 |
| * drc points apm1 to #xubuntu-offtopic | 17:17 | |
| apm1 | knome, imho for starters 3.5 ubuntu devs compiled kernel :( | 17:18 |
| knome | drc, well i specifically directed him here. i'll tell him to go -offtopic when he gets offtopic ;) | 17:18 |
| drc | opps :( | 17:18 |
| knome | apm1, is being current bad? | 17:18 |
| knome | apm1, maybe you should use debian stable :) | 17:18 |
| apm1 | eing unstable is bad , and i am using debian | 17:18 |
| drc | or slackware | 17:18 |
| knome | apm1, as i've said, maybe debian is "your" distro then :) | 17:19 |
| apm1 | look guys i am not here to offend you , i was actually hoping to make an impression on your minds , that will help you choose the right tools for the next xubuntu release , don't see my words as an altercation starter but see them as a review stated directly to the devs :) | 17:20 |
| knome | apm1, i understand, but there isn't not much we can do about eg. kernel versions with this team | 17:21 |
| apm1 | hypothetically ? if i decide to do the kernel work for xubuntu , and i do it stable enough will you guys then unanimously agree to drop the ubuntu inflicted kernel | 17:23 |
| knome | apm1, maybe. that needs to be discussed. | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | honestly we barely have the dev power to keep the basics of xubuntu going as it is | 17:23 |
| knome | apm1, what's the goal in that, what's the reasoning behind that? | 17:23 |
| knome | apm1, why would we do that? | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | so if you could recruit a kernel team we could consider it :) | 17:23 |
| apm1 | knome, are you the xubuntu project lead ? | 17:24 |
| knome | apm1, i am | 17:24 |
| apm1 | knome, are you also a canonical employee ? | 17:25 |
| knome | apm1, no. | 17:25 |
| knome | apm1, neither is pleia2, if you thought so. | 17:25 |
| apm1 | knome, well sorry to doubt you , but if you guys are canonical free then we can talk abt getting a kernel team :) | 17:26 |
| apm1 | hmm , so we would need stats first | 17:26 |
| knome | apm1, you would need to justify why we need another kernel first | 17:27 |
| apm1 | knome, well because i think the current one isn't as stable | 17:27 |
| apm1 | as the previous 3.2 | 17:28 |
| knome | apm1, i've never had a kernel fail in ubuntu. | 17:28 |
| apm1 | kernel panics on xubuntu made me switch to debian :( | 17:28 |
| knome | apm1, when you are justifying us why we need another kernel, please remember what our target group of users are too. | 17:29 |
| knome | apm1, you can read more on that, and lots of other topics, from the strategy document | 17:29 |
| apm1 | look since you guys already have a strategy planned , then who am i to question it :( | 17:30 |
| pleia2 | apm1: we also need more testers, always need more testers, if you have hardware that's prone to kernel panics you'd be a useful tester *before* releases | 17:30 |
| knome | apm1, we don't exactly have a kernel strategy, but the kernel stuff needs to be in line with the existing strategy. | 17:30 |
| pleia2 | the secret benefit of testing is that your hardware works great at release time ;) | 17:31 |
| apm1 | knome, but you biggest strategy point of "being ubuntu compliant" will interfere with that :( | 17:31 |
| knome | yeah, with non-ubuntu kernel we'd need a lot more testers, we're struggling to do even the basic testing now | 17:31 |
| knome | apm1, in that case, you probably shouldn't waste your time with xubuntu | 17:32 |
| knome | apm1, i mean, all the things point that we are really close to ubuntu, even the distro/flavor name! | 17:32 |
| apm1 | ok then i shall leave you guys now in peace , sorry to bother you :) | 17:32 |
| knome | np | 17:32 |
| bluesabre_ | O.O | 17:33 |
| knome | bluesabre?:) | 17:33 |
| bluesabre_ | hiya knome! | 17:33 |
| knome | astraljava, there's some wacky smiley for you ^ | 17:33 |
| bluesabre_ | hiya pleia2 | 17:34 |
| bluesabre_ | I wouldn't mind working for canonical, if they paid me to do xubuntu stuff :) | 17:35 |
| knome | heh | 17:35 |
| bluesabre_ | getting ready for UDS? | 17:36 |
| * pleia2 off to airport | 17:36 | |
| knome | slowly | 17:36 |
| knome | pleia2, have a good flight! | 17:36 |
| mr_pouit | they can't even pay a real release manager anymore, so I doubt they would pay for xubuntu :{ | 17:40 |
| knome | heh, yeah | 17:41 |
| knome | and they aren't paying for kubuntu either | 17:41 |
| knome | and i'm not sure it's about being able to pay | 17:41 |
| astraljava | knome: Now you're just showing off. | 19:03 |
| astraljava | wut?! Can' | 19:03 |
| astraljava | sry, "can't pay a real release manager?" | 19:04 |
| knome | astraljava, skaet is not paid by canonical for R | 20:08 |
| knome | bbl | 20:08 |
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